A Bad Year for Obama May Turn Worse in 2014

OIf President Obama were a baseball player he would have gone 0 for 2013.

No, it’s not exactly breaking news that 2013 was a bad year for the president.  But he may soon look back on the remnants of a bad year and say, “Those were the good old days.”

Mr. Obama’s biggest flop, of course, was also his biggest “accomplishment” (a word I put in quotation marks not by accident).  That would be the ironically named Affordable Care Act, better known as ObamaCare.

The rollout, he told us, would be as smooth and easy as shopping on Amazon. If Amazon sued the president for slander, I think Amazon would win.

Then there were all those (let’s be nice and call them) misstatements of fact.

If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep your healthcare plan.

If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.

Premium costs will go down on average $2500.

Okay, let’s just stipulate that so far ObamaCare has been one great big mess.  Period!  And it’s exacted a toll on the president.

As CNN Chief Political Analyst Gloria Borger put it: “People don’t think he’s as competent as they used to think. They don’t think he’s as trustworthy as they used to think.”

But it’s not just the disastrous rollout of ObamaCare. There were also revelations in 2013 that the National Security Agency was secretly keeping tabs on all of us.  Mr. Obama defended the plan, which caused a split in his liberal base.  Turns out they don’t like secret, widespread surveillance anymore than a lot of (but not all my any means) conservatives do.

Liberals were angry, too, that the president continued to use drones to knock off terrorists – and sometimes, innocent bystanders – a program started by the one liberals detest, George W. Bush.

There was also the IRS scandal, which conservatives believe showed that the president’s team was willing to use the agency to punish conservatives and further it’s own liberal agenda –no matter what the law said.

Whether it was Republican obstruction as Mr. Obama believes, or principled GOP opposition, the president got nowhere on a jobs program; nowhere on tax reform;  nowhere on immigration reform; no hike in the minimum wage; and no expansion of background checks for gun purchases, even after the Newtown massacre, despite a strong effort by the president.

And a new CNN/ORC International poll shows a drop of 14 percentage points since the beginning of 2013 in President Obama’s approval rating.  It’s now down to 41 percent.

Another poll, this one by ABC News and the Washington Post shows that 45 percent of Americans trust Republicans to do a better job handling the economy compared to 41 percent for President Obama.

But anyone who thinks that what goes down must at some point go back up, that 2014 has got to be better than 2013, may be engaging in wishful thinking.  ObamaCare is still out there, looming over the helpless innocents like a stalking monster in a bad science fiction movie.  (Okay, that was over the top.  Sorry.)

The healthcare.gov website may be up but it’s still not running like Amazon. For one thing, there’s the issue of security.  What happens – and it may – if Americans learn that the personal information they put in when they applied for ObamaCare has been compromised?

So far more than five million Americans had their policies cancelled.  Wait until the employer mandate kicks in in 2014.  Millions more will lose their insurance — probably tens of millions more.

And wait, too, until people find out they’re not covered even though they thought they were.  That’s coming too.

And there are all those people looking for work but can only land a part-time job because employers may not want to hire someone full-time and have to pay for his health insurance under ObamaCare.

And for the president’s plan to just stand a chance of succeeding, young, healthy people have to sign up.  Lots and lots and lots of young, healthy people. But why would they want to pay more for insurance, which covers things they didn’t want in the first place?  Because they’re good Americans who think it’s reasonable to pay more so older, sicker Americans can pay less?  Tell me when to stop laughing.

And finally, the insurance companies may take such a hit thanks to the president, that they’ll have to be bailed out – with millions and millions and millions of YOUR tax dollars.

But for those of us who are not fond of this president’s liberal, big government policies, there may yet be a silver lining around this dark cloud.  If enough people get hit with sticker shock; if enough people lose coverage in 2014, coverage they were happy with; if enough people find out first hand what ObamaCare is all out, they may very well take it out on Democrats next November in the midterm elections.

That, I think, would be a good beginning.  And then 2014 may indeed be better:  not for the president – but for a whole bunch of the rest of us.

 

 

 

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  • Joel Wischkaemper

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Reid
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Pelosi
    (Easy reads, and worth doing.)
    ———————————–

    Both of these people are not lawyers. The Democratic Party put ACA on their plates(?) and they did the job and got it through. Ah but, they did it willingly.

    Did Obama get this program through Congress? Certainly he helped, but my general bet would be none of the leadership read the bill, and most of the trusted administrative aids didn’t either. Nancy Pelosi said lets make it a law and see if it works and THAT was the way they intended to ‘read’ the bill. That is how this country got stuck with a multi billion dollar boondoggle if not a multi-trillion dollar boondoggle.

    I would very much like to understand Emanuel role in the ACA. I am reasonably sure he didn’t read the bill either, and the question I have is.. was he tossed, or did he leave before the package got looked at? I am beginning to wonder also if anyone in the media looked at the ACA before it was signed, or after it was signed. LOTS of casual democrats out there.

    All of this goes here: we need to know well, who was involved, and why they were involved in bringing this program forward. Obama is lame at this point. But wounded man eating Tigers have made many a casual careless person a tasty snack in an election year. Lets get careful folks.

    • Joel Wischkaemper

      Washington DC was having enormous computer problems way back there when I was peddling main frames in D.C. That Obama Care is a tough implementation shouldn’t surprise anyone in that ex-Virginia/Maryland swamp. Holding Obama responsible for that end of the deal is a wrong move. He is NOT a geek.

      But the Meat and Potatoes of that bill? What is good.. what is bad? That should be the albatross around the Democratic Parties neck for 2014.

  • The Man from Scene 24

    “If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep your healthcare plan.
    If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.
    Premium costs will go down on average $2500.”

    He outright lied to us all and should be removed from office for it.

  • mfp

    Bernie,This is truly an awesome article.I am in 100%agreement!

  • Lc Goodfellow

    ” If the people cannot trust their government to do the job for which it exists – to protect them and to promote their common welfare – all else is lost. ” – BHO

    His words, not mine. Or more D.C. talk. ? The “Swamp” runn’th over !

  • Paul Courtney

    This just in! NYT investigation finds muslim terrorist core not involved in 9-11-01 attacks, U.S.S. Cole attack, 1998 embassy bombings, or any bus bombing or hijack since 1970. NYT reports all attacks carried out by individuals offended by insulting depiction of arabs in 1960’s Dick Shawn movie, “Wizard of Baghdad”. Full investigation included trip to Newark WAWA, interview of dark-featured man behind counter.

    • legal eagle

      Keep your head in the sand…this way you won’t have to figure out what really goes on in the world..

      • Paul Courtney

        Yes, pigeon, reading NYT is keeping head deep in sand, surprised you agree. Oh, I see, you’re PO’d because you just love Wizard of Baghdad! Better sharpen up, lame posts like this and lame NYT may not get your lady across finish line in ’16.

        • legal eagle

          I learned along time ago that it’s a waste of time to argue with irrationality….Soon you’ll have Hillary to spew your venom at….and she’ll laugh all the way to the White House..

          • George Williams

            Hillary will never make the White House. Benghazi and her do nothing State Department tour of the world will be front and center at any presidential debate. When that happens, she will be speechless in her inability to answer the questions that still haunt her. Go ahead, nominate your misanthropic cretin. It will be a pleasure to see her on stage during a presidential debate hemming and hawing, after having avoided answering to the American people since the disgraceful event. Personally, I think that she’ll have second thoughts, as having to do so will frighten her off, as it will undoubtedly destroy her false narrative as a national hero. And all you’ll have left is wacko Bozo the Clown, Biden.

          • George Williams

            Really? I’ve never heard you make a rational statement in this blog yet. You are a two sentence lawyer, whose days of handling more than what to eat for lunch are long past. The very NYT that issued the recent attribution of the Benghazi incident to the movie did so in contradiction to its earlier article. It’s is manifest except to the stubborn sycophant that the most recent article was a shameless effort to defend the indefensible Obama administration. In that, the NYT would do everything possible, even sacrificing the very last of their journalistic integrity.

          • Sheila Warner

            I pointed out the same thing (Kirkpatrick’s article in NYT is contradicted by the earlier NYT article) but of course he glossed over that fact. The truly ironic thing was that Kirkpatrick was a contributor to the previous article! It’s useless to try to have a cogent discussion with le.

          • Sheila Warner

            Do you think le actually followed what the NYT wrote about Benghazi? All he did was see a headline, probably didn’t even read the actual article, then posted his opinion. There is no arguing with him. Give it up.

          • Paul Courtney

            We learned when you began posting here that you stopped worrying and learned to love irrationality, an enduring affair. So you’re ok with NYT contradicting itself, long as it serves Hillary?

          • legal eagle

            The NY Times doesn’t write stories, reporters right stories. What contradiction are you referring to?

      • George Williams

        You head is so far up Obama’s butt that you can see his molars. You’re a disgrace to the idea of rational thought, held as a thrall to race politics and a corrupt presidency. I’d wish you a Happy New Year, but your happiness is keeping the most corrupt presidency in the history of the nation in power. Drop dead!

        • Ted

          Are we cross?

    • Ted

      Yep and speaking of actual media blunders and self embarrassment according to Faux Snooze, Romney won the election by a “landslide”. Oh, that’s right he really DIDN’T, did he?

      • Sheila Warner

        “…according to Faux Snooze, Romney won the election…”

        Again with the blanket statement that ALL OF Fox News predicted Romney’s win!

        You should have said …”according to some ultra conservative pundits on Faux Snooze…” Believe me, there were liberals on FNC that challenged pie in the sky pundits like Dick Morrison & Karl Rove when they said Mitt would win big. Bill O’Reilly, who doubted the whole landslide hype, won some dinners from his guests, as I recall.

        • Ted

          If you read the post I was replying to which juxtaposed ALL the facts and saw the play on words w/ Faux Snooze (which was sort of a triple entendre) I thought my having fun w/ the truth would be clear. I did watch Dick Morris brag about what an excellent professional political pundit he was PRIOR to politically unzipping his fly. And I was watching when Rove’s head exploded on election night over Fox calling Ohio it for Obama BEFORE he thought they should. Of course, he’d just watched $100 million or more in donations that he would have to answer for go down the drain. The I watched (maybe it was) Megan Kelly walking to the Fox basement to dbl ck w/ the analysts who confirmed their Ohio prediction. I believe Krauthammer also predicted a Romney wipeout ala Reagan-Carter in 1980. It was amazing how many of my con buddies told me Obama would lose big after being told what they so desperately wanted to hear. A lot of rt wing nuts on talk radio made the same claims and Romney bought it as well having no concession speech ready. So, lemmings do listen w/out any critical thinking or objectivity. Some things (will) never change.

          • Sheila Warner

            Oh, I got it, all right. FNC as a whole is “Faux” to you. Simple enough?

          • Ted

            Being owned by Murdoch means they have a con agenda because he’s a businessman and had there been a niche for liberal news reporting his station would’ve liberal. Since the niche was for con news he created a purveyor of con news. Fox clearly does not cover both sides and typically people watch it seeking conservative affirmation and gloom and doom. Interesting that a study done at U of Maryland found the worst informed consumers of news watched Fox News. The second worst listened to Rash Limblob, not surprisingly.

          • George Williams

            Did I tell you about Obama’s lie concerning the citizen’s ability to keep his insurance policy and doctor under Obamacare, and that Obama said that the average family would save $2,500 per year? I heard it from Fox first, and hardly heard anything from the rest of your cheery CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC and ABC. I guess that I should be an optimist like you, who would have us believe the cheery main stream media, but then, I wouldn’t hear the truth, would I? Keep taking your sycophant pills, Teddy Bear.

          • Sheila Warner

            As I suspected. I saw the U of MD study, and it was really funny. People who disagreed with liberal talking points were deemed “wrong” or “uninformed”. Pretty lame.

          • Ted

            I know exactly what you saw and it was the rt wing nut rebuttal. Here’s the deal, when you can’t even answer basic questions like “Under Obama have taxes gone up or down?” Or “Under Obama has the GDP grown or shrunk?”
            Or “Have jobs grown or decreased under Obama?” correctly then yes you’re wrong, uninformed and by definition, pretty lame.

          • George Williams

            You are confused and not in line with the current attack dog strategy of the Democratic Party. BO’s attack dogs have sent me many recent e-mails that support a new line of demonization. It’s not Murdock that’s the victim de jour, but the Koch Brothers, individuals responsible for the bad omens presented by lunar eclipses and the sun, and any other evil in the world. Get with the program, Murdock out; Koch in.

          • Ted

            The Koch head Bros make a mockery of themselves. They need no lt wing help to achieve that “exalted” status.

          • Paul Courtney

            Glad to hear you can have fun with truth while keeping such distance from it. Also compliment you on your patience, waiting 5 yrs for a single positive qtrly number to tell us how great Bush economy coming along. When we learn your guy just having fun with numbers, what’ll you change subject to? Maybe you’ll win argument with “racism”.

          • Ted

            Try disputing and using the facts. Had you a real case to make you would’ve. Absent that you simply create some BS strawman to pander to yourself. Well done.

      • George Williams

        Did I forget to mention Obama’s big lie, that “If you like your health insurance, you can keep it, Period!, and “If you like your doctor, you can keep him, Period”, “No one’s talking about changing that.” If he lied about Obamacare, he probably lied about Benghazi and everything else he’s told us. Did I tell you about that embarrassing thing, a lie told more than 30 times over several years? Fox News told us, but Faux MSNBC, CNN, NBC and ABC didn’t. People like you, Teddy Bear have no credibility at all. Pathetic, delusional sycophant. Get your lips off Obama’s butt.

        • Ted

          So, your idiotic point is that what? Two wrongs make a right or that only your side can prevaricate? And how in the hell do you what the non Fuxx News stations said? To know you’d need to watch them. I do admit however for an octogenarian knucklehead you have alot of class……All of it second. And I thought about making fun of your wife but since she’s married to you, hasn’t she suffered enough?

          • George Williams

            My point is that if there’s anyone actually deserving of the contempt of the American people, it’s Barack Obama. He’s a liar and incompetent president who would have been impeached by now if he didn’t have the support of a like minded Senate. I remind you that before he was president, he spent his career voting present in the U.S. Senate and before that, was a sheister lawyer lawyer extorting money for ACORN. He has all the ethics of an ambulance chaser. That’s my point, Baby Schnooks.

          • Ted

            You old white guys crack me up. When W was mocked for all of his verbal gaffes and criticized for his innumerable mistakes you rt wing extremists called his critics
            “haters” and claimed those critics weren’t being patriotic. This was especially true concerning the misguided invasion of Iraq. Fox guys like O’Really claimed W’s critics were aiding and abetting the enemy of course that all stopped when Obama inherited W’s wars, didn’t it?

            Funny how anyone who disagrees with you or in my case defeats your argument you claim has no credibility. And exactly how has Obama been incompetent particularly compared to W’s disastrous 8 years? The economy turning around? The automakers, the housing mkt rebounding, the Fortune 500 companies and Wall St reporting record profits? The Dow etc going up nearly 30% and also reaching record highs? Jobs averaging 190,000 growth per month. Or will you try to deny those facts? No 9/11’s, no new wars, a 11% GDP increase from when W left to now? Try and dispute the facts.

          • George Williams

            1. The economy turning around? I like your sense of humor. If the economy is turning around, it’s like FDR’s economy, not because of anything the president (in the loosest terms of a president) did, but in spite of him. Obama is a community organizer. He will never be nothing more, as he is incapable of leadership. His team is likewise lacking in leadership. All are amateurs in his failed experiment. Only pathetic silly little sycophants with no education at all, like yourself, believe otherwise. You are a child, judging based upon age, as ignorant infants do.

            2. The Constitution of the United States provides remedy for the auto industry, as it should have this time, but an ignoramus like yourself cannot understand this. It’s called bankruptcy. However, bankruptcy wasn’t good enough for this president, as he knew that the unions who were beholden to would suffer. Obama’s bailout of the auto industry was nothing more than a hack politician’s dream, an opportunity to repay the union with a favor, like exemption from Obamacare. This has already been done, the rest of the people be damned. If you’re not a member of his unions, you’re second class, indeed. Obama violated bankruptcy law by destroying the preferred share stockholder’s equity. If Obama and Holder actually believed in our nation as one of laws, the preferred shareholders would have been first in line in dissolution of the company. However, we are no longer a nation of laws, but one of a tyrant and his Department of Justice that decides on which laws to enforce and which to ignore. The immigration laws are an example. Obama knows that his party can count on a ever grateful amnestied immigrant population who would turn to his party for direction and economic assistance at the expense of the true taxpayers, as his La Raza cohorts control their voting habits. Ordinary citizens who’ve been here since birth are less controllable, and less reliable to vote on his side. Obama has set the standard for vote buying and corruption. Should Hillary come to power, we might expect to continue our plunge to the depths of anti-constitutionalism.

            3. The housing market is not rebounding. Again, you ‘re probably getting your news from the HufPo or Jay Carney, the Liar in Chief’s sock puppet, but being chronically misinformed is what you people do as a matter of habit.

            http://www.movoto.com/blog/market-trends/state-of-the-market-december-2013/

            State of the Market December 2013: Market Cooling Off as New Year Approaches

            The real estate market is slowing down as we reach the end of the year. Still, the big news is that the gains homeowners have seen in median list price per square foot are on a trajectory to slow in 2014.

            You haven’t a clue, have you? With people tightening their belts, the nation having the lowest worker participation rate in history, Obamacare premiums and deductibles being high, beyond the means of many and nearly all new jobs part time, what else could we expect? Like Obama, you believe in magic. You are disconnected from the reality of economics, and mesmerized with an idea that hope is the same as change.

            4. The stock market is inflated due to the fact that the interest in money markets is near zero. Money has fled them to stocks. Since there is a finite number of stocks, buyers have bid up the price to cause the market to the level we find it today. When interest rates rise, people are going to dump stocks and we are going to have a correction. We’ve discussed this before, but like other fantasy believing sycophants, you cannot accept any truth that would diminish the idea that Obama is your god.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            >>You old white guys crack me up.

            Why is it that everyone on this website who chastises someone for being an “old white guy” ends up being an old white guy himself?

            It never fails.

          • Integrity

            It is because they are self-unaware. They also lack the commonsense that God gave to a goose. Out of curiosity, I Googled accomplishments of Obama. The Washington Monthly had an article titled, “Obama’s Top 50 accomplishments.” No 41 was, “avoided scandal”. Totally amusing, but in full disclosure, it did say as of November 2011. Those liberal old white guys crack me up. Many of us could not care less about either political party and only want what we believe is best for our
            Country. Why is that so hard for them to understand? QED

          • Ted

            You’re right. I should’ve said “freaked out” old, white guys who “want their country back” and who for the first time ever look at the White House and see a black guy instead of another old white guy staring back at them. How disconcerting that’s been. It’s also what spawned the Tea Party movement despite what the cons are willing to admit. They self servingly and deludely claim it’s some bogus populist revolt. Pffffft!

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Or you could just stop looking at everything through the prism of race and realize that conservatives would have an enormous problem with Obama regardless of his skin-color, gender, and age.

            Our president is a hard-left ideologue who has pursued hard-left policies since the day he took office. He spent his first term blaming his predecessor instead of fixing the country’s problems, he’s told the American public some of the most consequential lies it has ever heard from a president, and he has spent an enormous amount of time dividing the electorate along lines of gender, race, age, and economic class all for the purposes of creating false enemies and stirring anger to distract from his own failures.

            If you believe that conservatives aren’t upset about that stuff, and it’s really our president’s skin color (which happens to be the same as Herman Cain, Allen West, and several other high-profile figures conservatives adore) that they can’t deal with, you really are far too entrenched in the MSNBC cesspool to ever climb out.

            It’s pathetic.

          • Ted

            And your side could quit denying for the 70 and 80 yr old white guys at least that race is still a problem for (depending on the poll) nearly 60% of them. Their problem and their distrust starts w/ his color. That’s also why the cons needed to make new rules to fight the racism allegations such as “if you point out rt wing racism it makes you the real racist” nonsense. Wow, someone over on your side’s been drinking that new bullshit flavored Kool Aid haven’t they? Nice job also of passing the ad populem buck when you cons blame Obama for not uniting your side when you’re unitable. And I haven’t heard one dissonant word from your side decrying the 420 filibusters and unprecedented obstruction? Think how much further along the recovery would be had your side decided to do its job and govern instead of focusing on their party first politics? The unpatriotic bastards.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Give me a break.

            First of all, racism exists. Unfortunately, it will always exist in this country. There are conservative racists, liberal racists, and racists with no ideological identity. It’s not just an issue with white people. It’s an issue with all races.

            The problem lessens with each passing year, and there is an overwhelming cultural consensus that racism is deplorable. But it will never go away. And the reason it won’t go away isn’t because of those white “bitter clingers” as you suggest, but because the modern-day liberal movement in this country will never let it die a natural death.

            Their collective guilt will always compel them to identify people not by the content of their character but by the color of their skin. Their incessant use of race-baiting as a political tool to marginalize dissent has done more to stoke racial tension than anything actual racists in this country have done in recent years.

            Your assertion that people’s distrust in Obama comes from the color of his skin says far more about you that it does the people you’re accusing. What you’re essentially saying is that people couldn’t possibly distrust a black individual based on his actions or words – it HAS to be the color of his skin. My question to you is, WHY does it have to be the color of his skin?

            I’m sure you won’t read this, but I wrote an article quite some time ago about this very topic. Please let me know where you think I’m wrong: http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/racial-condescension-from-the-left/

          • George Williams

            “Their problem and their distrust starts w/ his color.” More lies. Whose poll are you citing, Media Matters, who would like Obama’s problems all to be attributable to race? Even if it were true, which is isn’t, no person, be he youth or geriatric would admit to race being an issue in politics today, for fear of extreme public condemnation. Like Obama and his famous doctor and insurance plan claims, the $2500 cost savings to health care subscribers, his faux biographies, intended to get him political office, the assertion that the IRS scandal was rooted in a small office in Detroit, the claims earlier in the year by his administration that the roll out prospects were good, the assertion that the new reality is a part time work force, the idea that Benghazi was simply a reaction to a video, that giving 2,000 guns to the drug cartels in Obama’s Fast and Furious a scheme unknown to Holder, the problem of racist old white men is not only a lie, but a scurrilous lie coming from the ilk of the people like Van Jones, a once avowed communist and currently disavowed communist, a lie designed to marginalize old white people in their last years on earth. It’s a cheap slander/libel with no basis in fact.
            a war on half the elderly population all for the purpose of cheap political theater. Pardon the run on sentence.

          • Ted

            When you mention cons adoring nutjobs like West and the self aggrandizing Cain you make me laugh. You liked West soooooo much that he was a one termer and you liked Cain so much you picked Romney. Cain had the same chance of getting the nod as I did and I didn’t even run. The next black candidate you pick to be your candidate will be your party’s first. In fact, I don’t see it happening in the foreseeable future not even if you think that ultra con black Dr on Fox all the time who’s there as a token wanted to run. Your idiotic side can beat their gums all they want but if they really had a serious black candidate to run all the red states voters on election day would “run home to momma” and vote for the caucasian because they’d be afraid that he’d favor the blacks. Get real!

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            >>When you mention cons adoring nutjobs like West and the self aggrandizing Cain you make me laugh.

            Oh, I’m sure it does, because your child-like, liberal sensibilities won’t let you identify black people by anything other than their skin color.

            >>You liked West soooooo much that he was a one termer

            Conservatives were the ones who put West IN office. Democratic voters were the ones who voted him OUT of office. So do you think that makes those Democratic voters racists? Using your own logic, you would have to conclude that, wouldn’t you?

            >>you liked Cain so much you picked Romney.

            Romney was the better candidate – plain and simple. Are you saying that if someone doesn’t vote for a black person over a more qualified opponent, they’re a racist? If so, please explain to me why Democrats didn’t vote for Allen West. Are they racists?

            >>not even if you think that ultra con black Dr on Fox all the time who’s there as a token wanted to run.

            Wow, you can’t even bring yourself to type his name, can you? You look at him and all you see is the color of his skin. The disdain you must have for him. And because you don’t like what he has to say, you consider him a token black? Astonishing.

            I hate to break this to you, but contrary to popular belief, merely being a liberal doesn’t give you a pass on making racist statements. I find it amazing that you don’t even realize that what you’ve typed in this post alone is exactly what you’ve been accusing conservatives of with far less evidence.

            >>if they really had a serious black candidate to run all the red states
            voters on election day would “run home to momma” and vote for the
            caucasian because they’d be afraid that he’d favor the blacks.

            lol. What is it about the east and west coasts that turns men in their 60’s into angry teenagers once they start posting stuff on the internet? It really is astounding how ridiculous you guys sound..

            Whether your white-guilt-ridden sensibilities will allow you to accept this or not, I can tell you with complete confidence that conservatives would vote for a black conservative over white liberal any day of the week.

          • Ted

            Wow, what’s the record for creating Strawman arguments because whatever it is oh great rt wing man of delusion, you just broke it. You’d also do well to know that when you put words in other people’s mouths you put your feet in yours. I’ll wait while you attempt to remove them as you’ll no doubt note that insertion was far easier than their extraction.
            Your comments about how West lost the election crack me up because fewer cons voted for him upon his attempted re-election after he was exposed for the whackjob he really is. You’ve probably selectively forgotten when he was asked how many Socialists were in Congress, he said the whole Democratic caucus was comprised of Socialists. Even by your admittedly less than stellar stds that’s nuts. Now, you probably agree with what he said however the non insane voters disagreed with you and voted his dumb and extremist ass out of Congress. Strawman #1.
            As for Cain, did you forget he was the flavor of the week (interesting that each candidate took his turn leading the polls) and led in the polls when he first announced he was running, so desperate was your side to find a viable candidate? You saying Romney was a “better candidate” decries those early poll numbers when Cain led the pack indicating how lukewarm your side was about the “seriously conservative” and what a completely mediocre candidate Romney was/is. Strawman #2.
            Then you say I couldn’t bring myself to type the ultracon, black Dr’s name on Fox? My stomach’s getting sore from laughing as I roll on the floor. What I couldn’t bring myself to do is waste time Googling his unimportant name because I knew you’d know who I was referring to but nice try. And I consider him a token black on Fox because (wait for it!) he’s a token black on Fox. Strawman #3.

            Then you predictably parrot the party line with such absurdities as the “white-guilt-ridden” bullshit ala Rash Windbag or Hannity. Sorry pal but guilt is NOT heritable for Dems anymore than empathy exists on your side. Especially from a couple of hundred years ago. As for your point that cons would vote for a black con over a white liberal any day we’ll know that if it ever happens. And really it’s a moot point because you cons willl primary the black con candidate by voting in the white con candidate for the actual election. Hence the “run home to momma” reference. For a hard core con like you to posit what’s in the minds of liberals is Strawman #4.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            >>Wow, what’s the record for creating Strawman arguments…

            Strawman? Ted, They’re largely YOUR arguments. You honestly don’t realize that I merely used the logic YOU routinely use to accuse conservatives of racism, and showed you that it can just as easily be applied to YOU and your like-minded liberals?

            It’s pretty astonishing how self-unaware you are.

            >>You’d also do well to know that when you put words in other people’s mouths you put your feet in yours

            Like when you presume that racism is the motivation for conservatives’ opposition to President Obama? Ted, the foundation of most of your arguments on this website comes from you putting thoughts in other people’s heads. Again, it astounding that you don’t see the irony in your own words.

            >>Your comments about how West lost the election crack me up because fewer
            cons voted for him upon his attempted re-election after he was exposed
            for the whackjob he really is

            There’s no doubt that West ticked off some Republicans in his congressional district due to his abrasive style, but he’s a very respected figure nationally in the conservative movement. And since your original assertion was that West’s skin color hurts him in conservative circles, how do you explain him getting elected two years earlier? Was he not black back then? And again, if voting against a black man is evidence of racism – as you have suggested – why aren’t the Democrats in that district racists?

            >>As for Cain…

            What does anything you wrote about Cain above have to do with what I typed? Your suggestion two posts ago was that it was Cain’s skin color that kept him from winning the Republican nomination. Are you recanting on that claim now?

            >>What I couldn’t bring myself to do is waste time Googling his unimportant name because I knew you’d know who I was referring to

            So let me get this straight: I’m putting words in your mouth after you identified Dr. Ben Carson not by name but by his skin color (calling him a “token black” nonetheless), but you’re NOT putting words in the mouths of conservatives when you insist, without offering any evidence, that it’s racism that motivates them to oppose our president? Great. Got it! Makes perfect sense.

            >>Then you predictably parrot the party line with such absurdities as the “white-guilt-ridden”

            Oh please. You, legal eagle, Phil Silverman, Chris Matthews, and all of the other white liberals in their 60s who incessantly play the race card aren’t fooling anyone. I hope you’ll one day be able to forgive yourself for whatever deplorable act of racism you committed years ago. And if you think I’m off-base in my analysis, just keep in mind that I’m using your logic to reach that conclusion.

            >>As for your baseless assertion that cons would vote for a black con over a white liberal any day we’ll know that if it ever happens.

            Baseless? You mean, like proclaiming conservatives oppose President Obama because he’s black?

            All you have to do is look at any of the national polls that pit Hillary Clinton against Condoleeza Rice for the presidency, and you’ll see who conservatives would support.The fact that you would even challenge this is pretty humorous. It shows me how thick of an intellectual bubble you’re trapped in.

            >>And really it’s a moot point because you cons willl primary the black con candidate by voting in the white con candidate for the actual election.

            What?

            >>For a hard core con like you to posit what’s in the minds of liberals is Strawman #5.

            Even though I could barely make out what you were saying in that last part (did you type that with your feet?) I’m guessing that you’re making the point that a conservative couldn’t possibly understand what is in the mind of a liberal. However, that couldn’t possibly be your point, since you, being a committed liberal, routinely proclaim to understand precisely what goes on in the mind of conservatives. So I guess I must be mistaken, otherwise your comment would reveal some pretty glaring irony, wouldn’t it?

            Check and mate.

          • Ted

            Think of how great it would be if you could simply declare victory by saying check and mate despite the facts? Besides had you any real knowledge of chess strategy you’d have noticed my closed sicilian defense defeating the probe of your pawn. Game, set and match, Kasparov.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Accept defeat like a man, Ted. You know you got schooled. Responding with incoherent rambling isn’t going to change that.

          • Joel Wischkaemper

            And for some reason, from your elitist throne, you believe a population group measuring 12% with very limited involvement in the Republican Party, should be the next Republican Candidate for the Presidency?

            You are abusive Ted. And your abuse makes you pointless.

          • Ted

            What’s pathetic and specious is you trying to bogusly label Obama a “hard left ideologue”. Why is it that every hard rt wing nut thinks he’s a freaking moderate?! You guys are so far inside the info bubble that you sound like this idiotic, knucklehead con I know who calls himself a “Limbaugh” moderate for Christ’s sake as if that weren’t a huge oxy moronic all timer!

            And then you claim he spent his whole first term blaming W like Reagan did w/ Carter. Were you similarly outraged back then or is your outrage limited only by your extreme partisanship like most of your fringe end of the fringe end?? And you’ve spent the last 5 years giving W a pass on Iraq and 9/11 and trying to blame the Dems for all the disasters that happened. Irony’s a bitch isn’t it?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            >>What’s pathetic and specious is you trying to bogusly label Obama a “hard left ideologue”.

            I know. I should really stop judging him by the things he says and does, and evaluate him instead on his smile and charisma.

            I’d respond to the rest of that paragraph but it was completely incoherent.

            >>And then you claim he spent his whole first term blaming W like Reagan did w/ Carter. Were you similarly outraged back then

            I was a child at the time. I was more upset about Knight Rider being cancelled.

            >>And you’ve spent the last 5 years giving W a pass on Iraq and 9/11

            I have?

            >>Irony’s a bitch isn’t it?

            I’m not sure you understand what irony is.

          • Ted

            How ironic that you don’t think I understand irony. Let me know if you get it? And here’s another thought you say your judging Obama based on his actions. Wrong! You’re judging from the misguided, inaccurate idea that you’re a middle of the roader. Pffft!

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            lol. I’m no “middle of the roader” nor have I ever claimed to be. I’m a fiscal conservative, believer in peace-through-strength foreign policy, and a social libertarian.

            Now, let me know when you’re done trying to save face and want to discuss issues again. Your nonsensical babble and hail merry assumptions are entertaining and all, but they’re making you look pretty silly.

          • Ted

            Your post is the intrrnet equivament of a Hail Mary. And just look at those issues and facts you brought up? Oh, that’s right there weren’t any. Clearly you’re losing your battle w/ cranial flatulence but you’ll need someone smarter than you to see and explain it to you. Virtually anyone you pass on the street should do. Oh, and open a window.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Is that your version of the “I know you are but what am I?” rebuttal? lol.

            Get some sleep, Ted. You’re punch-drunk.

          • Joel Wischkaemper

            It is very sad that a great deal of what our presidents are is discovered after they have been elected. The proof was in the pudding. I think the parties have vetted many a candidate and they litter the way to this point. I will say again what I have said before: I do not believe Obama ran his own Presidency to this point. His ‘going it alone’ was smoke with a little bit of blade in it, and what he did not understand in what he did put him in several difficult positions that will stay with him now. Historians are not going to judge him much beyond simply being there for the most part.

          • Sheila Warner

            Except that the President isn’t black. He’s half white.

          • Ted

            Ah, that must be why his winning the election was so historic? And also why he’s routinely referred to as the first half white President? So, obviously this is also why there’s not one scintilla of racism anymore because for racism to now exist it would equate to white people hating half a white person which would cut racism by half wouldn’t it? Circular logic at its finest. Picture me running a finger up and down across my lips very quickly and now think of the noise that makes. Yep, you got it.

          • Sheila Warner

            The fact that he is half white ruins the narrative that it’s all about race, silly. Those who see him as the first black President are wrong. He is the first biracial President, for sure, so that is still historic. As Biden put it, he’s clean, he’s articulate, he’s light skinned….Doesn’t sound really black to me. I’ve never seen him as black. Hardly circular, but factual. Do you deny that he is biracial?

          • Ted

            Ideologue fantasies aside he’s not seen as half white by the racists or most of his critics or the Census Bureau so lets get real, huh? And I keep waiting for someone to regurgitate the “I hate his white side, too” line. Just imagine my relief to learn there’s no longer any racism on the right And if I point any racism out that makes me the real racist. Whew, that’s one pratfall I’d like to avoid! So, in keeping w/ those absurd, made up, bullshit rules when I criticized W and the rt wing nuts called me a “hater” that meant they were the real “haters” didn’t it? Hey, I like how this works! It’s the intellectual equivalent of saying, “I know you are but what am I?” I also find it curious that White Supremacy hate groups are up by 150% since Obama’s been in office and that per one of his former secret service agents who wrote a book about it, he gets 400% more death threats than W did. Boy oh boy, his critics must really hate him for those policy based decisions like Obamacare! I mean enough to want to kill him! Maybe they only want to kill his white side?

          • Sheila Warner

            I told you how I see the President. I know that I am an anomaly. I have never called you a racist, either. You can stop that rant right now. Not sure if I’ve called anyone around here a racist. I don’t know individual human hearts, so calling anyone a racist is out of character for me.

            I personally don’t care how the Census Bureau sets up its listing of race. The President is biracial. He is the first biracial President in history. That’s a fact. What others think about the man, I cannot control.

          • Ted

            We’re all only on the hook for what we think. Period. End of story. God, I love saying those words. I’m usually not into schadenfreude but this time I made an exception.

          • Sheila Warner

            “schadenfreude”

            Whose downfall are you celebrating?

          • Ted

            When I used the terms “Period” and “End of story” I was having some fun with the Obama critics–racist and nonracist although I’m not sure which group is bigger– and whose heads explode over the ACA. Hell, they still can’t come to grips with his two Prez victories and are incensed by anything he says, particularly the use of those phrases. I suppose I could’ve offered more clarity and said, “Nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah” but didn’t want to confuse any cons here with that kind of eloquence. :-)

          • Sheila Warner

            You did not answer my question. Do you know the definition of the big word you used? “schadenfreude”

            Whose downfall are you celebrating?

          • Ted

            Do I know the definition of the big word I used? One of us does. And it sounds like your question is dripping w/ condescension? Besides, I’ve always looked down my nose at those who would condescend. So, I would therefore posit that if you’re going to condescend then you should be correct in what you’re being condescending about. And you failed that metric.

            You say schedenfreude means the “downfall” others? Wrong Thesaurus breath. Sorry but it means enjoying the misfortune of others. Interesting also, that evidently German is the only language that has a word for that. And the way I meant it was that I was enjoying the con’s heads exploding (in this case their cranial “misfortune”). Happy to help clear up what the actual definition of schadenfreude really is. Or was that my being condescending of your consdescension? Whatever.

          • Sheila Warner

            “it means enjoying the misfortune of others”

            Only misfortune? What does downfall mean? It means a loss of success and/or power, right? Loving it when someone fails? And, since the con’s heads did not explode, but kept giving facts, you are way off base.

            It is also implied that the person who observes this is celebrating it, taking delight in it. There was an entire article dealing with the nuances of schadenfreude. I no longer have that one, so I’ll offer another. The articles I read related to how Christians ought to live.

            http://www.christianpost.com/news/schadenfreude-6456/

            Which takes me back to my original question. How is making a con’s head “explode”, which is really a contrary reply to something you said, equate with the downfall of a person?

          • Ted

            Wow, you love to parse words and split hairs. If Socrates were here he’d tell you although every downfall is a misfortune not every misfortune is a downfall. Clear now? Or do you wanna re-litigate exactly how black Obama is again?

          • Sheila Warner

            Let’s re-litigate how white he is. I believe it’s 50%. Yes, parsing words is fun.

          • Ted

            And predictably dodging questions when you’ve lost the argument is de rigueur for the hard righties. Why not just take your can of whup ass and take like a man? Maybe then you’ll be able to grasp the concept that Obama is seen as the first black President and no amount of wishful thinking that he’s not or that the fact tha he’s bi-racial mitigates that.

            I get it that it’s tough being bested and I’ve been debating people like you for more than 40 years and whenever they’re losing they change the subject and/or simply flee–both of which you just disingenuously did. I might understand it if it was done to save face. Too bad it doesn’t.

          • Sheila Warner

            I never claimed to be speaking for anyone other than myself. I see President Obama as my President, first and foremost. If anyone asks me about his race, or comments on his race, my reply is the same: he is biracial. If you have evidence that he is totally black, then put it out there. If you have evidence that he is totally white, put that out there. I’m not “saving face” or “cutting and running”. It’s you who keeps blathering on about him being the first black President. If you see him as black that is your opinion, and you are entitled to it. In biology, a person born to a white parent & a black parent is biracial.

            I find the whole issue of the President’s race to be tedious. His race has nothing at all to do with how he governs. You are the one who is obsessed with his race, not me. I could not personally care less about it. And that’s all I am going to say about this. If you disagree with biology, or you have some verifiable evidence to the contrary regarding the President’s parents, put up or shut up.

          • Sheila Warner

            Oh, and you never did answer my question. Bye bye

          • Joel Wischkaemper

            This post deeply pleases me. He is obviously a democrat and very, very wrong.

          • Joel Wischkaemper

            Schadenfreude | Define Schadenfreude at Dictionary.com
            dictionary.reference.com/browse/schadenfreude‎

            satisfaction or pleasure felt at someone else’s misfortune. Origin: 1890–95; < German, equivalent to Schaden harm + Freude joy. Dictionary.com Unabridged

          • Sheila Warner

            I know the definition, and I was not talking to you.

          • Joel Wischkaemper

            Oh silly me.. his promise to reform the tort laws made my toes twinkle. Now I have to look at his blackness as an obsessed supporter tries and whangs the very people who elected him. But what he says is important. It give you an excellent idea of the logic patterns of African Americans.

          • Sheila Warner

            I didn’t say a thing about tort reform, or any other specific policy in my comment. I merely commented on his race. I don’t get what point you are trying to prove.

          • Joel Wischkaemper

            My post is clear and directed at the general idea of his promises that he did not keep, and your statements concerning his racial characteristics.

          • Sheila Warner

            I never said a thing about any ‘general’ idea of the President’s promises. My comment was on race, and race alone. You can spin it any way you like, but your comment had not a thing to do with what I said. Also, my comment was part of a longer thread with someone else, so you don’t even know my premise, the topic I was originally addressing, or any other thing about me or what I said TO SOMEONE ELSE. If you’re going to jump into a thread, at least know what is being said.

          • Joel Wischkaemper

            1. My post is clear and directed at the general idea of his promises that he did not keep, and that in keeping with the idea that Obama is going to have yet more bad times with his conduct.

            2. Now I have to look at his blackness as an obsessed supporter tries and whangs the very people who elected him.

            This was a comment on this.

            The fact that he is half white ruins the narrative that it’s all about race, silly. Those who see him as the first black President are wrong. He is the first biracial President, for sure, so that is still historic. As Biden put it, he’s clean, he’s articulate, he’s light skinned….Doesn’t sound really black to me.

            =======================
            If you don’t want anyone to comment on your comments, you need to write them a letter. In the meantime, you seem to have comment on racial characteristics more than anyone on the board.

          • Joel Wischkaemper

            There is no need under the sun to examine Obama’s racial characteristics. None.
            Examine his record, and he has not done well. He was inept, or inexperienced, or the tool of the radical elements of the Democratic Party… but he has not done well.

          • Sheila Warner

            >>There is no need under the sun to examine Obama’s racial characteristics.<<

            Unless you are responding to someone that constantly examines the President's racial characteristics. Which is what I was doing.

          • Sheila Warner

            I also didn’t say that you should not have commented on my comment. Do you even read all of what I post? I said you ought to be familiar with the thread to which you respond. You obviously were not. Again, all I did was assert my personal opinion on the President’s race, in response to someone who believes that most criticism of the President is based on the President’s black race. I said then, and I’ll say it again: I don’t care how others view the President’s race. To me he has always been biracial. He always will be biracial in my own eyes.

            >>My post is clear and directed at the general idea of his promises that he did not keep, and that in keeping with the idea that Obama is going to have yet more bad times with his conduct.<<

            Yes, your post is clear and directed at the President's promises. One of my comments, which yo quoted, said nothing about his promises. You also do not have to be obsessed with the President's race unless you choose to be. What others believe should not persuade you one way or the other; again, unless you let them. I still don't get what you were trying to get at in your response to me. You'd be better off following the thread back to the original, and talk to Ted and Legal Eagle. They are the ones with whom I have shared my opinions on the President's race. You might get a response you're looking for from either of those two, although, with their track records, I think it unlikely.

            If you want to comment on how you see the President's racial makeup, I'm fine with that. As to his promises, not so much. The promises were just that: declarations of what he said he would do, which he either could or would not do.

          • Joel Wischkaemper

            Soooo… summarized Ted, you are telling us campaign promises don’t have to be kept if you are of color? Do you have to be 50/50 to abandoned all your promises?

      • Paul Courtney

        Yes, faced with NYT pants dropping to ankles while trying to run interference for Hillary ’16, you “win the argument” by changing subject. Your clever triple entendre very persuasive, made us all think. We think you’re a goof who’s high opinion of himself manifests a lack of..oh, why bother you’re just a goof.

  • IHF

    Hey Goldberg – where’s Perlutsky? He used to pop up here every day and now it’s been weeks and not a peep out of him. No doubt all the Perlutskymaniacs out there miss his unique talent for dishing on any number of topics and being ignorant on every one of them.

    • Bernie

      Perlutsky is gone and you are next Daly

    • Bernie

      Perlutsky is gone and you are next Daly

  • tim ned

    One prediction is fact. Next year we will see the greatest tax increase in American history.

    • legal eagle

      What is the biggest tax increase in history?

      • Tim Ned

        the Affordable health care act. The first stages kick in this coming year and continue through 2017. The largest tax increase in history is not my quote. I’m quoting someone you should respect, Lawrence O’Donnell.

        • legal eagle

          I’m not sure what Larry O’Donnell was talking about but I will assume you’ve taken his statement out of context…I’ll check it out…

          • tim ned

            I heard it on morning joe if that helps your research. And it might help to study the health care act to see the tax increases by this legislation.

          • Lc Goodfellow

            “A word to the wise ain’t necessary – it’s the stupid ones that need the advice.”

          • T Ko

            Touché!

    • IHF

      The Obamacare debacle will create taxes in ways that people can’t even imagine right now. It will be the worst move by the government in over two centuries.

      • legal eagle

        You’re quite the optimist…. The “worst move”? Nothing like a little hyperbole from one of Goldberg’s followers…

      • Ted

        The worst thing in two centuries? No, that would be W.

  • D Parri

    It is obvious that the same voices that have railed against Obamacare will continue in 2014.

    Is it reasonable to expect a change in sentiment to come about with the tens of millions of Americans who had insurance coverage throughout most of 2013 and now are without coverage? Is it reasonable to expect that all of the people who will have their coverage replaced by the new Obamacare model and pay substantial more for it to be happier now that they will pay more and receive less? For those who come to the stark realizations of doubled and tripled deductions, and their co-pays increased for less benefits, will they be shouting out the benefits of the new and wonderful healthcare law brought to us by Barack Obama?

    I suspect that it will be anything but positive news generated by these people. The personal pain they are soon going to feel won’t allow them to swallow the lies that have been handed to them and ignore the ill-effects of this disastrous law any longer.

    The voices that have railed against this law will be joined by the tens of millions who are about to experience the realities of Obamacare.

    • T Ko

      I hate to put it this way, but…

      “When the sh*t hits the fan, more people get covered.”

      • Ted

        Given your unrivalled skills as a wordsmith and long standing aversion to crudeness and vulgarity I can certainly see why you’d wish not to offend anyone here.

        • T Ko

          “…unrivalled skills as a wordsmith…” (Ted)

          Ok, that’s what I will agree with you on. The rest of it will probably be changed by Zed as some kind of ‘game’.

          Needless to say, I do not trust him now or in the future. He has earned his reputation, just like Obama.

  • D Parri

    PREDICTIONS — 2014
    Ok, I going to go out on a limb here and try to bring an order to the participatory inputs of people who regularly comment on this site. I feel like there would be no more appropriate article to attach our predictions of the things to come than with Bernie’s own forecast for 2014.

    Anything is open. Obama supporters are encouraged. Likewise for opponents of Obama.

    It would be interesting to hear views on many topics. I suspect that Obamacare will be a leader for comments–that is, if anyone chooses to respond at all.

    • D Parri

      Obamacare
      It will continue to cause disaster to the nation throughout 2014. More and more people will lose their healthcare coverage. Lawsuits will start up and by the end of 2014, the courts will be loaded with actions brought about by patients, doctors, hospitals, and many different healthcare organizations.

      Elections, 2014
      The House will remain controlled by the GOP, and in 2014 and owing mostly to the failure of the ACA, the Senate will return to GOP control. As the elections get nearer, a marked exodus of Obama-loyal Democrats from the main party agenda will signal the waning days of Obama’s signature health plan and a revival of the GOP’s efforts to repeal the law.

      • Ted

        Ironic that the only thing you’re optimistic about is your pessimism. Like the vast majority of cons you seem to feel really good when you predict gloom and doom. Your side simply isn’t happy unless it’s miserable.

        How about predicting that Obama’s turnaround of the economy will continue in 2014 as it has in 2013 especially if the neocon/Baggers actually do something to support the country like pass an infrastructure bill or do something to create jobs for once? Of course we both know why they won’t because if they were to then Obama and the Dems would get much of the credit and it would help them win 2014, wouldn’t it? As a high level aide for Boehner said at the end of 2012, “Why should we do anything to hand the election to Obama and the Dems”? Exactly. Any questions?

        • D Parri

          So, do you have any predictions or do want to simply trade insults?

          Show your mettle…whatever that is.

          • legal eagle

            I predict the U.S will leave Afghanistan and John McCain will state that now that that war is over The U.S. should invade Iran….LOL

          • D Parri

            I agree that the U.S. will leave Afghanistan.

            I don’t believe that the U.S. will invade Iran. I predict that the U.S. will continue to ease sanctions on Iran.

          • Ted

            Interesting and no doubt intentional that you chose leave out the enhanced verification and decreased uranian they can produce in Iran. No point in telling the whole story or missing a chance to demagogue Obama with a lie of omission. Nice try.

          • D Parri

            I really hate giving you the benefit of any response because you are such a dung-head, but please get your spelling aid–you know…a dictionary–out when you try to write something.

            You look like a total idiot when you misspell simple words. Not to mention the absurd comments you make.

        • Josh

          Obama turned the economy around the same way the sea floor stops a sinking ship.

          • D Parri

            So, has the floor been reached or do you predict a further slide?

            I’ve heard that there are some very deep canyons on the ocean’s bottom. I hope those canyons aren’t representative of our nation’s economic outlook.

          • Ted

            I’m not going to take the time to educate you anout all the things that have improved because you’d simply claim you didn’t know or it’s not true because hou don’t like the facts. You’d try to deny the housing turnaround, automakers the Fortune 500 companies and Wall St reporting record profits, the market at record highs, the GDP growth 11% higher than the -8.9% when Obama took over from W and job growth averaging 190,000 growth this year vs a -750,000 the last month when W left office. All those facts are easily verifiable if you find the truth of interest which it doesn’t sound like you do. Sea Floor my @$$.

          • legal eagle

            The “nabobs of negativity” that post on this site can’t give Obama credit for anything because it would throw their universe out of kilter….They have no interest in facts or any reality other than their own and their reality is shaped by Fox News..

          • Ted Crawford

            We give him credit, where he’s earned it, for example he’s increaded our deficit from $10.7 Trillion to $17.5 Trillion, in only five years, that is a record!
            He’s reduced our Labor participation to levels not seen since the 1930 Depression! He, as ted claims, has created job growth, 70% of which is in Part-Time, low wage, sans benifits jobs! Twice the number of people finding work are going on Disability!
            The Stock Market is indeed growing, however 72% of that growth is in the Multi-National Corporations, with 66% of that growth in their Over- Seas markets!

          • Ted

            Way to completely ignore the cost of W’s two unfunded, unbudgeted wars costing trillions, the $800 billion Medicare Part D bj to Big Pharma and W’s tax cuts for the rich which added another trillion to the national debt and all put on a credit card!

            The total cost is $5.07 trillion added to the national debt. Essentially your side had this huge, expensive party and handed Obama and the US tax payers the bill. Stevie Wonder could see this but not surprisingly you and your partisanly blind ilk can’t. Your views are what happens when you get your “facts” from Fuxx News.

          • tim ned

            The national debt is currently over $17 trillion and will most likely double under Obama’s watch. The republicans own the debt under Bush and you own the debt under Obama. No excuses!

          • Ted

            So now whatever happens “on a President’s watch”‘is the benchmark for who’s responsible for it? Funny how that’s only practiced by your side when a Dems in office. I do love the way you label facts like the $5.07 trillion W’s spent an “excuse”? Well, you’re right, there is no excuse for W’s spending and the impact it’s had adding that amount to the national debt. So who’d you think was going to have to pay for that profligate spending, W after he left office? He ran up the tab including a $1.4 trillion 2009 deficit and left the restaurant without paying thereby handing the bill to Obama and us to pay. Why is that so difficult for you to grasp and admit? Because W was responsible for it? Got it!

          • T Ko

            Ok, dung-head, say “Thanks” to the GOP for forcing Obama-Devil into that corner.

            You don’t really think he would have done that if he hadn’t been forced to do you Stinky?

          • Ted

            For someone who’s a complete tool and possesses the IQ of a dung beetle, this post may be your most eloquent yet.

            And isn’t it funny when anything goes poorly it’s all Obama’s fault but when it goes well you try and give the Baggers the credit? I confess that my foot’s getting sore from intellectually kicking your political @$$.

          • Tim Ned

            First, you don’t know my side. And just to set the record straight. You better look at the deficit numbers for 2010, 2011, and 2012 as well as 2009. Obama ran almost three times the deficit numbers of Bush in all of his years. Unlike you, I know the reality Obama faced, as did Bush, with the housing crash. The deficit is starting to shrink because the revenues are getting close to new records. I have never defended Bush for his deficits and this president is on spending steroids. This president threw almost $1 trillion in stimulus against the wall to see what stuck. How’s that working out in your numbers? Got It!

          • Sheila Warner

            “The deficit is starting to shrink because the revenues are getting close to new records.”

            The sequester cuts also contributed to the deficit getting smaller. But it is still way too high. If the sequester cuts really are eased with this new budget, will the deficit continue to fall? I am not an economist, so I have to wait and see.

          • legal eagle

            U.S. Deficit for 2009 Totals $1.4 Trillion, Budget Office Says

            Who do you say owns this one Bush or Obama?

          • T Ko

            Obama bought it when he became elected. Just like every other POTUS before him.

          • Integrity

            Our children. QED

          • T Ko

            There goes ol’ Ned, with some of the most merdique views out there.

            Go crawl back into your dung-bucket, Stinky.

          • Ted

            If you really had a case to make besides these tu quoque posts
            you would have. I realize without you having Rash Windbag or Sean Insanity to tell you what to think today, your posts are the intellectual equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and yelling loudly, “La la la la la, I can’t hear you!” or threatening to hold your breath till you turn blue. You’re such a child and a little
            punk ass bitch.

          • T Ko

            Hey, finally some words that you are familiar with.

            Yeah, as in…Diagnosis, Stinky–that fart-blossomin’, punk ass bitch ho’!

          • T Ko

            Hey, Stinky! I told you to quit playin’ around with numbers and thoughts…you’ll damage your brain.

            Oh yeah, you don’t have one…well, carry on, you’re safe.

          • Ted Crawford

            The action in Afghanistan was a necessary response to 9/11. Our involvement in Iraq was, in my opinion a step too far! The situation around Medicare Part D, I’ll use your sides arguement for your Socialist Programs, the people love it! Not a particularly satisfying arguement is it? I disagree with it, and many other Bush ’43’ policies, not the least of which was The Patriot Act! Which explains why I did not vote for him in 2004!
            As for the tax cuts you are simply mistaken. Taxes and the Revenue they generate are Inversly proportional and always have been! Even the ,now extinct, Liberal Democrats understood this relationship! “A tax cut means higher family income and higher business profits and finally a Balanced Federal Budget!” John Kennedy

          • Ted

            Funny you bring up Part D. I mentioned it to explain where the $5.07 trillion W’s spending that increased the national debt came from but you raise a good pt. These are the kind of Gov handouts the rich love. It’s only when the poor get unemployment or food stamps that rich and Repubs hate that!

            As for JFK wanting to cut taxes back in 1963 and an illustration of how times and positions have changed, it was the Repubs who took the fiscally responsible roll and asked him, “Who’s going to pay the loss of revenue?” Despite what McConnell says when he claimed inaccurately that “tax cuts pay for themselves” we have recent examples of the folly of that notion first when Clinton had the biggest tax increase ever and revenues and the economy boomed. Next W cut taxes especially for the rich and revenue tanked as did jobs and lately the dramatic increase in revenue when Obama taxed the rich. And by the way Reagan raised taxes 8 times so your theory is NOT supported by the facts.

          • D Parri

            People generally earn their reputations.
            Reputations are used to predict future behavior.
            In 2014, Obama will _________. (fill in the blank)

          • legal eagle

            Have more sex than you?….LOL

          • D Parri

            With females? The would be different…try it!

          • T Ko

            Yeah, is the reason you have so much sex because you always choose boys? Isn’t that illegal?

          • kayakbob

            Hey D. Hope Christmas was great for you and your loved ones. Wishing you a very happy New Year & 2014. (..and I have no clue, or comments, about legal eagles sex comments. jeezz)

          • D Parri

            Hey, KY, it’s good to hear from you.

            I hope you and your family also had a wonderful Christmas, and I am hoping for a Happy New Year for you and yours in 2014 also.

            I initially thought LE was talkin’ about his sex life and mine, but when I when back and read it I think he was referring to the “…Obama will___________.(fill in the blank)” part of my comment prior to his.

            In any case, whether it was his or Obama’s sex life he was referring to, I would still like to encourage them to think about trying a female of the same species next year. It would be a change.

            In any case, I feel like 2014 will reveal much regarding Obama’s policies. It doesn’t look good for him.

          • kayakbob

            My only prediction for 2014 is that the fawning media will reach new heights in lowness in order to protect and/or salvage ‘the one’.

          • D Parri

            I wish I would need to argue with you on that point, but I’m in total agreement with you. If there are any surprises for 2014, I’m afraid it will be mostly around the theme of “How low can you go?”

            Obama and companions se theirs as being a position of no choice…either continue to fight or be swallowed up in a ‘Big Gulp’ of reality.

            Only problem for them is though KY, how long can you fight reality? There is a point where the fight against reality through the use of deceit ultimately turns into insanity.

            We should pray that to come soon.

          • legal eagle

            I will make sure to thank the multi-nationals for my investment account going up 50% this year….If it’s bad Obama did it…It if it’s good someone else did it…
            By the way can you explain how the federal government affects the worker participation rate? Do you even know how that number is calculated?

          • T Ko

            You’re not talking about the Bureau of Labor Statistics are you? Oh, and I thought they were a government agency.

          • legal eagle

            If you are going to respond to my comments you should read the comment I was responding to…I asked if the other person knew “how” they calculated the worker participation rate not ‘who” calculated it…

          • T Ko

            I knew what you said and I knew what I said. The point was that this is a government-derived figure–as released by the BLS. Manipulation of the numbers is a hallmark of this administration.

          • Ted

            Funny when W’s numbers were good the connedservatives completely trusted them and even those on the left as always accepted them as fact. Now, of course when the ideologues on the right don’t like the positive numbers from the CBO or the BLS suddenly they’re no longer trustworthy. Sounds like the same wishful thinking, living in la la land tactics you cons used to conclude that Romney would win in a landslide because the polls were skewed and fact checkers could no longer check facts ad infinitum. To the cons, the facts are whatever protects their little bogus house of cards.To them it’s, “You can’t make accept the truth!” “Waaaaa!”

          • George Williams

            The federal government affects the worker participation rate by effecting poor economic policy, policy that discourages expansion of the economy. Ask any accountant about the tremendous cost of the Obama administration’s environmental and business regulations and how they discourage employment. Obamacare alone has set up an environment of uncertainty that has resulted in a part time worker economy. Employers are not going to hire if the cost of their employee health care plans is going to cause them to go broke. And employers are making certain that much of their work force works less than 30 hrs a week. People have been discouraged after years of unemployment and are dropping out of the work force. That is the what why the worker participation rate is so low. The liberals, Democrats and Obama have utterly failed in their governance. Anyone who questions the role of government in policy that affects worker participation rate is either an ignorant fool or a liar. It’a academic to me what we may call you, legal beagle. It’s time to rid ourselves of the amateurs in the White House.

          • T Ko

            Give credit where credit is due, they say.

            I think he should also be credited with the complete chaos of the 2014 healthcare industry.

            Credits once more for the return of the Senate to GOP control.

            Thanks, Obama!

          • Ted Crawford

            We need to be very cautious here! Given all the failures, and debacles: Putins Nuclear Wedgie on Syria, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, NSA, and IRS, giving Iran $8 Billion to further their development of a Nuclear Weapon, and of course PPACA, displayed, even with many Democrat voters expressing concerns, Obama and the Progressive DNC. are doubling down on their failures and continue to be totally obtuse, at best and typically downright rejective of any ideas not from another Progressive!
            We need to seriously ask ourselves, with the appointment of John Podesta, and in view of this appearently self-destructive attitude, WHAT DO THEY KNOW that we do not!?!?

          • T Ko

            Perhaps when the end of their days will come?

            You are correct, though, a wounded and trapped animal can be very dangerous.

            They’ve wounded themselves, and their lies have now trapped them. Good goin’, Dems!

          • legal eagle

            This is the result of the last Bush budget……..Obama has cut this number by 50%….
            U.S. Deficit for 2009 Totals $1.4 Trillion, Budget Office Says

            By Brian Faler and Julianna Goldman – October 8, 2009 00:00 EDT

            Oct. 8 (Bloomberg) — The U.S. government ended its 2009 fiscal year with a deficit of $1.4 trillion, the biggest since 1945, the Congressional Budget Office reported.

            The deficit amounted to 9.9 percent of the nation’s economy, triple the size of the shortfall for 2008.

          • T Ko

            That’s interesting, I think it was Obama’s first year in office. And he had full control of the Congress.

            He had a little help….

          • legal eagle

            Government works on a “fiscal “year not a calendar year..The 2009 deficit was based upon the 2008 calendar year when Bush was in office….

          • Ted Crawford

            You can spin untill you are as nauseous as your disingenuous rhetoric makes the rest of us, but what you cannot do is hide the fact that Obama is the first President in our 230+ year History to ever run a $1 + Trillion Deficit! To prove that it wasn’t a fluke he’s been responsible for FOUR more consecutive $1 Trillion + deficit spending years!
            His record was very nearly broken, interestingly enough by his own engineered Land-mine, Sequestration, however it appears that the Ryan/Murray budget will pass, keeping his disgusting record intact!

          • legal eagle

            You are factually incorrect….If you wish to ignore or misstate the facts you are on the right website with the right audience because right wingers don’t care about the facts…

          • Ted

            Way to spin the facts which were correct. Ironic that when the Obama critics don’t like the facts they just deny them or blame them on the MSM. They behave as though if enough of them deny the facts somehow that wil make them untrue. I liked them so much better when facts had meaning. Sadly not anymore.

          • D Parri

            TC, these two idiots are 100% certified Obama-Zombies.

            Brain-dead and Obama-Narcissistic are the two criteria, and they fit the bill. Unfortunately, they cannot argue anything intelligently, but they do take up space.

          • T Ko

            TC, in order to give a ‘fair’ reading of the numbers, it is easy enough to assign the ‘Bush-attributable’ portion of 2009’s deficit to Bush’s numbers and credit Obama with the commensurate amount.

            That figure is $800b, and it began with Bush’s operating deficit ($485)b, add ($100)b for end-of-year accounting, add TARP ($700)b, less TARP repayments
            $500b, for a total of approx. ($800)b.

            If this kind of screwy logic is applied, then the average annual deficit for Bush is $(350,702), for a total deficit of $(2,805,615) for 8 years.

            Using the same method for Obama, the average annual deficit is $(1,001,785), or a total deficit of $(6,010,708) in 6 years, 2013-2014 estimated. The averaged estimate for an equivalent 8 year figure would be a total deficit of $(8,014,277).

            Now, regardless of whether you give Obama the benefit of $800b in the 2009 deficit or not, Obama’s administration has either tripled or quadrupled the
            total deficit accumulated for an 8 year term over Bush’s term in office.

            So, when you hear the Obama-Zombies whining about 2009 just remember that their rhetoric falls in to the category of either “Lies”, or “Damned Lies”. They will continue to try and support their argument with that
            other category know as “Statistics”.

            However, they will not be able to use facts.

          • Tim ned

            Very interesting comment. And what shapes your Ideology?

          • legal eagle

            My ideology is shaped by my upbringing and my experience….I believe that one of the most important roles of government is to provide a fair and balanced playing field for all Americans.

          • D Parri

            Any predictions?

          • Tim Ned

            Actually, what was the GDP in Obama’s first year in office? But really, I would never lay this at the feet of Obama as you ideologues lay the housing collapse on Bush. And I suspect you would not lay the economic slow down in 2001 on Bush and you would clearly point it to Clinton? But please don’t go on one of your fact finding missions about Clinton as the 90’s were good to me and I know why. Now are you really happy about the GDP growth rate this year? Can you explain your logic in this? As for the housing growth. Only a fool can see a recover in housing markets where the value of a home is 25 – 50% less than it was in 2007. And only a true ideologue could spin the still record foreclosures as a success since it’s the lowest in six years. And as a former bond holder in GM, I am hoping that the ten billion the taxpayers lost (and I’m using conservative numbers here) that GM may have a chance. However when we bond holders get hosed and the union pensions got every penny I recognize that the future liabilities of GM and the fact they face still the highest labor rates in the industry will hurt them in the long run. And before you run off that I’m a GM hater you should know I bought two Cadillac’s this year. I believe they make the best luxury cars for the price. And since I consult in manufacturing I know that what Cadillac is producing today is not the result of the government but the investment made years earlier. I also recognize the stupidity in closing the factories the politicians chose for them in place of the ones they should have closed. But in the end with GM just maybe I’ll see a $100.00 stock price to recover what I lost on my bonds. And when you compare the growth rate today versus the growth rate at the low, what on earth are you talking about? You must be happy about the job growth today? For this country to recover, we need leader ship to get the new job creation rate to 250,000 and a GDP growth rate to well above 5%.

          • legal eagle

            Exactly my point…If things get better it’s someone else’s doing…If things get worse it’s Obama’s doing….
            Are you going to give Obama credit for the $20 bil+ profit the US made on the AIG bailout?
            You’re an ideologue who only the negative and wants the country to fail…Hope that keeps you warm at night…

          • Tim ned

            Who created the TARP program? Check your facts before you start name calling. And by the way, I agreed with the TARP program.

          • Ted

            You’re right W started it and Obama implemented it. Just like the Stimulus created per the CBO 3 million jobs and helped get the economy started again.

          • tim ned

            Hate to keep correcting you but the CBO put the numbers from 1.5 million to 3.3 million as they don’t know the exact numbers.

          • Sheila Warner

            Do those numbers include the ridiculous claim about jobs saved? Funny I don’t hear the President running around anymore saying how many jobs he “created or saved”. People have such a short memory. And, how many Americans have left the job force? Hmmmm

            You are correct; the CBO isn’t sure and neither are the rest of us. Nothing but obfuscation from the President.

          • Ted

            How many years ago did you last vote for a Dem for Prez?

          • Sheila Warner

            I voted for Bill Clinton. Not too long ago.

          • Ted

            That was nearly 2 decades ago. That begs the question “What do you consider long?”

          • Sheila Warner

            LOL, like most people, time is relative to how much older I’ve gotten! :-P

          • Ted

            Agreed and the passage of time seems to be moving inexorably faster. That notwithstanding and depending on which Clinton election(s) you voted for him it was either 21 or 17 years ago.

          • Sheila Warner

            “That (passage of time) notwithstanding…it was either 21 or 17 years ago.”

            In your opinion “notwithstanding”. Depends on just how fast those numbers seem to you. They seem like yesterday to me.

          • Ted

            Well, if you’re going to use facts! Since you’re only rt winger here interested in them it would seem by their use you’re trying to throw me off, eh? What I should’ve said was that the CBO said the $780 billion Stimulus created as many as 3.1
            million jobs. Good catch.

          • Sheila Warner
          • T Ko

            Thank goodness he hasn’t done anything to for the economy since.

            Why, you know that would have been unrecoverable, Stinky.

          • legal eagle

            Tarp was created by Hank Paulson and Bernanke during the Bush administration.. What’s your point?

          • Ted

            Gr8 minds think alike. The next time they give Obama credit for anything positive will be their first. It’s not that I disagree w/ them, I disagree w/ their biology. They just can’t help themselves. To them there are train wrecks around every corner.

          • T Ko

            Now, Spanky, you know that’s not true.

            Those of us who are able to live in the real world have been giving Obama credit for being the biggest liar for over five years.

            Now he’s one the prize!

          • Ted

            He’s “one” the prize there Joe-Bob? Ever the wordsmith.

          • T Ko

            TN, it is virtually impossible for the Demo-heads to understand productivity.

            It is the single measure of a flourishing economy that holds up under all circumstances.

          • Ted

            I’m happy that’s the GDP’s 11% higher than under W’s last qtr in office.
            But I do recognize that it’s averaged 2% whereas 3% is considered very good. So we’re 1% from there. I have no idea where you got 5% from but obviously that would be better but it’s not a benchmark.

            Re: Housing I have no idea where you live but here in SoCal the real estate numbers are much better than you describe and probably 15-20% under the overinflated and unsustainable 2007 fantasy prices. These prices should in no way be any kind of benchmark because they also contributed mightily to the housing bubble. And wouldn’t you say foreclosures being at their lowest level in six yrs is progress? What else would you call it, a failure?

            Re: GM how much money would you have lost had W and Obama not bailed it out and had it gone belly up? As for jobs and leadership creating jobs go tell the rt wing leadership who’s scared to death of the Tea Partiers, Boehner and McConnell to do their damn jobs and pass the infrastructure bills. Now, you may well bring up the XL pipeline but until the environmental impact study is done correctly and by a company whose not in bed w/ the XL folks those 3,500 jobs and 50 some homes purchased under imminent domain need to wait.

          • T Ko

            One thing for sure is that you have missed your calling.

            Yeah, Stinky, you are one helluva’ fiction writer. Making crap up as you go…you don’t need facts to create that kind of cheval-merde.

          • Ted

            In every debate one person is better informed than the other. It’s always the one bases his position on the facts and not hyperbolic nonsense. So, you lose again knumb knuts. Keep trying because maybe your ad populem desire to change the facts into lies or your ignorance into facts will convince other low information and weak minded Bagggers like yourself. Yeah, right!

          • T Ko

            “…the one bases…Bagggers…” (Ted, aka Stinky)

            Excellent grammar and spelling once again.

            Just think what you would have been able to do if you had finished elementary school.

            Yeah, you’re right…a waste.

          • George Williams

            Must I remind you of Barack Obama’s promise that I can keep my insurance and doctor under Obamacare and that he said that our families would average pay $2,500 less, and that he told that lie to 300 million citizens? That was a national record by the way. Must I remind you, Teddy Bear, that it was the “Baggers” that warned us that Obama was lying about that and everything else he’s told us? Let me see, that would make non-baggers like you, fools to have believed him. Obama takes us for fools, and idiots like you believe him. He depends upon people like YOU to follow him unquestioningly. Yes, that would make the “baggers” prescient and you just another left wing sycophant chump who believes everything he’s said about what he calls, “phony” scandals. LOL!

          • T Ko

            Hey, you kicked your own ass out of the conversation…yeah, you used the word “educate”.

            Since you ain’t, Stinky…you can’t!

        • D Parri

          Predict whatever you want. 2014 will tell us who is correct.

          • Ted

            Agreeing with most economic experts I predict a continued strenghthening of the economy like we’ve seen despite the unprecedented and unpatriotic efforts to obstruct from the rt wing nuts and Tea Baggers.

          • T Ko

            I predict that the left-wing nutters will continue this irresponsible pattern of lying…just like ol’ Stinky here.

          • Ted

            I predict a know nothing clown like you will do posts revealing his stunning ignorance and lack of intellect. Hey, that one’s already come true! Did I call it or what?! Ok, ok so it wasn’t that hard.

          • legal eagle

            Not nice to call people ignorant….misinformed is a better term…

          • Ted

            Thx for the input. But actually I think I said “stunning ignorance” which was chosen for a reason. To me, ignorance means lacking information or knowledge of a specific subject. Misinformed to me means one was told or given incorrect information. Res ipsa loquiter counselor.

          • legal eagle

            A wise law school professor told me that when you have a losing case remember this phrase…” If you can’t fill them with facts, baffle them with B.S.”..
            It would appear that many on this site have no facts so they try to baffle each other with B.S…

          • Ted

            No dummy he. And you’re right, there’s a definite paucity of facts on this hardcore con website. It’s full of people seeking affirmation and consensus rather than the truth or the facts. And for these ideologues if the facts don’t fit their respective narrative then they simply deny them. For them denial really is a river in Africa.

          • T Ko

            “No dummy he.”

            Now, that is a real choice quote from a really smart commenter. N-O-T !!!

            Really, Stinky, can you get any more stupid?

          • T Ko

            Yes, counselor…runnin’ out of bullshit yet?

          • T Ko

            So, gettin’ your input from Legal Weasel now, huh?

            What’s Richard gonna’ think when he finds out your head has been goin’ elsewhere? JEALOUS!

          • T Ko

            Misinformed, ignorant, lying, it’s all the same to Stinky…it tastes the same to him.

            “Spanky! Get that merde out of your mouth!”

          • T Ko

            Uh, no I don’t think you did, Stinky.

            You see, it requires intellect to recognize intellect, and I can see that you obviously ain’t got any.

            Isn’t that what your wife said, “It wasn’t hard” ?

          • Ted

            Nah, it was your wife after our third tryst in an hour. Understandably, after being with you she was completely love starved and insatiable. Sorry if you didn’t recognize her at first because I shaved her back before I dropped her off. I could see some poor devil through the window in chains and she offered to introduce me to you but I declined. Maybe next time you loser.

      • Sheila Warner

        Wow are you ever an optimist. I’m not so sure the Senate will return to the GOP.

        • D Parri

          I believe that with the tumult that is to come in 2014 because of the ACA, there is no other possible outcome.

          We will see–remember, this is the Predictions thread.

        • Ted

          Right u are, especially after the goofball candidates the Baggers ran in 2012 like Sharon (2nd Amendment solutions) Engle and Christa the witch and the “legitimate rape clown to name but a few. Had the Baggers not been so hell bent on ideological purity they could’ve and should’ve already had the majority in the Senate. What a relentless testimony to partisan stupidity on their part!

        • T Ko

          Sheil, I agree with DP that the Senate will return to the GOP.

          After all, proof enough should be that Zed…I mean, Jed…I mean, Ped…I mean, Ded…aw heck…ol’ Stinky, disagrees.

          Need I say more?

    • legal eagle

      Predictions about what? Who will win the Super Bowl?

      • D Parri

        Whatever you want to comment about.

    • David Gorton

      D, Obama can’t recant, so, along with allies and supporters they’ll dig in deeper to the social justice, fair share, equal pay, equal rights argument. To get ready for 2014, and, more importantly, 2016, they’ll try to marginalize the influence of Republican Governors in their respective states. Where else can he go? He had the House, the Senate, and 3k Penn., and was still unable to run the table. Now, he’s got to gun-deck it.

      • D Parri

        D, he can’t honestly recant. But that won’t stop him from trying to…and spinning…and lying…and trying to assign responsibility and blame to others. I predict we will see a lot of that.

        • David Gorton

          Sounds like a political death spiral.

          • D Parri

            It starts with the spin, and then the vortex increases volume as more and more fuel is added–i.e., more lies.

            These things usually work but for a limited time going in the direction which was intended by the originator.

            And then…BANG!…it backfires.

      • Sheila Warner

        i agree with you. He has to dig in his heels. If he does otherwise, it will demonstrate that his vision for the country is harmful to the citizens. He is such a true believer in left wing ideology that he really cannot go back.

        • D Parri

          That is the political death spiral.

        • Ted

          Sheila, take one of those political spectrum tests from the internet and see where you fall and then get back to me? It’s my guess that ur much more con than you coyly claim especially if you think Obama’s governed in hard left manner. Virtually every con I’ve met thinks they’re a “moderate”. One of these dreamers actually told me they were a Rash Windbag “moderate” as if that were possible!

          • Sheila Warner

            Already did that. I’m not a conservative. Sorry to disappoint you.

          • Sheila Warner
          • Ted

            Hmmm?

          • T Ko

            Hey, Stinky, in that pea-sized brain of yours anything is possible!

            Windbaggin’ appears to be your thing.

          • Ted

            And being on the receiving end of being tea bagged is yours. Think of it as getting waterboarded without all the fun. Well played.

          • T Ko

            You are sicko, there, Stinky. How can you possibly be havin’ fun bein’ waterboarded?

            Oh yeah, you are also a m*sochist, or you wouldn’t keep tradin’ insults with me and always losin’.

            Try something a little less harmful to your health….. uh…nevermind, keep it up!

          • Ted

            Uh-oh bullshit alert! Tko’s posting again!

          • Ted

            Uh oh another bullshit alert tko’s posting again!

          • T Ko

            Yeah, Stinky, that’s right…Yum, Yum, more merde for you!

            Tell me, do you eat more horse-shit or more bull-shit?

        • Lc Goodfellow

          A lot of Americans have become so insulated from reality that they
          imagine America can suffer defeat without any inconvenience to
          themselves.

          • T Ko

            Thank goodness for the eye-opening effect of personal pain.

    • T Ko

      Of course, NObamaCare will be the hot topic. It will work here and there, but overall it will be much, much more of a problem in 2014 than the rollover…rollout was in 2013.

      When the Dems start fleeing Obama’s camp, then there will be greater focus on the unconstitutional moves made by Obama…and I hope that the GOP will allow the Nov elections to get by before bringing legal action against Obama.

      • David Gorton

        T, you know that, and he knows it ,also. He needs to obfuscate, muddy the waters, “. . . . look at that speck in his brothers eye, but can’t see the log in his eye”. Or, if your roof ‘s leaking, don’t come working on mine!

        • T Ko

          Exactly. Timing is necessarily everything, but it can be.

          • David Gorton

            Time to stop campaigning, and start leading. I don’t think he has the goods.

          • Ted Crawford

            If he does, he has kept them very carefully hidden up to this point!

          • T Ko

            D, absolutely, positively, unequivocally, NO, he does not have the goods.

            Nor the interest, nor the desire to lead our country in the manner that most Americans would like to see.

            He was–and still is–intent on fundamentally transforming this country into something that is not in tune with the American dream and legacy.

          • Ted

            So what are you some kind of half-@$$ed expert? It is important to note that NONE of Obama’s mistakes equal W’s failure to protect us on 9/11 or the wrongheaded invasion of Iraq. Hell, Obama’s still playing with house money based on those debacles.

          • T Ko

            Your right about one thing for sure–Obama is still playin’.

            Still playin’ at bein’ president, at bein a leader, at bein the biggest and best liar…he’s got a lot more playin’ left!

    • legal eagle

      I predict the Denver Broncos will win the Super Bowl…

      • D Parri

        I like Peyton Manning, but odds-wise it seems that the Seahawks are pretty strong going in.

        I wouldn’t complain if the Broncs pulled it off, though.

      • Ted

        Peyton wins MVP but the Seahawks go the S bowl and I hope I’m wrong.

        • T Ko

          You are, Spanky.

          • Ted

            If your mommy gives you your allowance, I’ll bet you all $5 of it you’re wrong? Deal?

          • T Ko

            What kind of person do you think I am, dung-head?

            I wouldn’t dare risk taking you whole life’s savings just to prove how stupid you are.

            You’ve already done that!

    • D Parri

      U.S. Foreign Relations Policy

      • D Parri

        ◘ The U.S. will leave Afghanistan.
        ◘ The U.S. will not invade Iran.
        ◘ The U.S. will continue to ease sanctions on Iran.
        ◘ Relations with Israel will deteriorate.
        ◘ Russia and its allies will become increasingly more powerful as the U.S. weakens.

        • Brian Fr Langley

          ECONOMY: Q1,2,and 3 will crater the economy OR Fracking for gas and oil will create a huge economic boom. FOREIGN POLICY: Israel will attack Irans nuclear reactor leading to WW3, OR Iran will nuke Tel-Aviv leading to WW3, OR Israel and the PLO will sign a treaty leading to “peace in our time” OR Iran will have a nuke, Saudi-Arabia will have a nuke, Egypt will have a nuke and Turkey will have a nuke, leading to “peace in our time” AND President Obama will convene a summit of nuclear powers based on his girls grade three classes called “can’t we all just get along”, again bringing “peace in our time” POLITICS: Liberals and the media, will blame the “tea party” for the disasterous Obama care rollout, (it really was their fault, if only they hadn’t tried to defund it, and shut down the Government) with Democrats going on to take both houses. OR people will finally have their eyes opened and throw the bums out. Either way, 2014 holds VERY LITTLE certainty. But as Scarlett O’hara says while surveying the ashes of Tara, “Oh well there is always tomorrow”. Unless of course your an American citizen, hit by one of Obama’s drones.

          • T Ko

            Now, that’s what I call some serious predictions! Good one, Brian.

          • Ted

            You left out the words “Or not”.

          • legal eagle

            Do you stay up all night thinking up this nonsense?…LOL

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Since the past informs the future, and the Israeli’s have shown they’re willing to attack bellicose neighbors who build reactors, it’s a good bet they’ll attack Irans. Since the current U.S. administration allow themselves to look weak on foreign policy, it’ll invite unwanted responses to the aforementioned Israeli attack. Since U.S. foreign policy on Israel is NOT weak, but actually quite robust, the result may be, the aforementioned “unwanted responses” stepping into a giant pile of hurt. Which could lead to WW3. LOL

    • Red Head

      John Daly will be busted for doing obscene things to pigs and dogs

    • Lc Goodfellow

      Obamacare was to help the un-insured get insured
      and now the insured are the new un-insured.

      • D Parri

        How do you see that situation being resolved?

        That is, are the “new un-insured” going to receive the same kind of attention that the previous uninsured did?

        What’s your prognosis for 2014.

        • George Williams

          If can’t be resolved. We are on a path to perdition that can’t be fixed without eliminating Obamacare altogether. Pull one thread from this complex scheme and the whole thing collapses. Obama has changed the statistical basis for the insurance companies such that they’ll be begging for financial relief, and once again he’ll put his finger in the dike. You’ll know when it happens, as once again he’ll take liberty with the law of the land and use taxpayers dollars in a bail out that will be disastrous.

          • D Parri

            The commitment already made simply by adopting Obamacare will be a negative factor for economic recovery and the hope of mending our healthcare insurance and provider systems for some time to come.

            The first step, though, is to eliminate the viral plague manifested in not only the ACA legislation but also in the notion that ‘Big Government’ is the answer.

            Also, the belief that scrapping a system that has evolved through over half a century of supply/demand needs should simply be replaced with the socialist idea of healthcare needs to be recognized as a plan that is incompatible with the very nature of our country’s spirit.

            We can do better–much better.

        • Lc Goodfellow

          I have a difficult time with ‘Predictions’, especially about the ‘Future.’

          The key difference now is that the hunger for Obama has been replaced with the indigestion that follows after five unimpressive years in office. In sales, they say you sell the sizzle, not the steak. In 2008, the man was all sizzle, and the ravenous throng was sold. Now he must sell the steak itself, and it’s full of gristle, fat and bone.

          – 30 -

          • D Parri

            I think it is safe to characterize that as a ‘state of flux’.

            When it deals with the digestive tract it is sometimes difficult to predict whether ‘that which was taken in will stay down’.

            The Obama Diet of the last five years has become increasingly difficult to digest.

            More of the same will be hard to swallow.

  • mceijun

    The majority of Americans are no longer able to make an intelligent decision when it comes to selecting a president, What do we do with that Bernie? Our problem in this country is so much bigger than this president.

    • David Gorton

      Most Americans are/want to be fair. I could/did not vote for Obama because I thought, correctly, he was too much a mystery candidate,
      w/no legislative track record as a senator. Lots of folks that wanted to give him a shot now have voters remorse. Big country, big problems;
      and presidents come and go, but I think Obama has trafficked in too many deliberate falsehoods for the average fair-minded American.
      What say you, Bernie?

      • Ted

        Hi Bernie here. And I’m calling bull pucky on your wishful thinking and baseless comment that “lots of voters that wanted to give him a shot now have voter’s remorse”. The voters have proved they wanted to give President Obama two shots or have you selectively blocked both of his victories out of your mind?

        • David Gorton

          So what? Since his re-election, his “fabrications” have been exposed, his #s are tanking because of the people who have voters remorse. You’re not arguing with anyone;you’re arguing with numbers!!

          • T Ko

            Reality is a tough thing to persuade!

            Sometimes ya’ just have to go along with it.

          • David Gorton

            Youth is fleeting, but immaturity can last a lifetime!

          • T Ko

            Yeah, sometimes we view them as having an inverse relationship, i.e., ‘older = wiser’.

            Unfortunately, it doesn’t always happen that way.

          • David Gorton

            They’re choking on their words, their only stock in trade!

          • T Ko

            I can see it now…. They keep telling the same lies over and over again, and now they believe the garbage that they have been telling others.

            Now, since they believe the lies that they told–and knew that these were lies being told–the crazy Obama-Zombies are truly confused. Very pathetic.

          • David Gorton

            You have just described a death spiral

          • T Ko

            Death by self-inflicted lies. Not much hope for recovery.

          • Ted

            Don’t give up hope, maybe there’s still time for you to learn to behave in a mature fashion. NAH!!!

          • T Ko

            You are right, Stinky…with you? No way, no how!

          • Ted

            Let me know when you do that. Haven’t seen it yet.

          • T Ko

            Don’t worry, Stinky, you haven’t been able to recognize reality for a very long time.

            No need to start now, though. Keep that head buried in the merde.

          • Ted

            How do you explain the 8% “approval” ratings of your guys in Congress?

          • David Gorton

            Impressive! Did’nt know it was that high. I’m an Independent. My guy in the House is a Democrat,[DeFazio], but I forget what Senator I voted for, [Wyden?]. I try to back the horse w/a track record. But most of those guys suck at what they do. Rather than resolve issues, they fight turf wars, and worry about getting re-elected. The ones I like are in other states. Pissin’ contests are not my kind of spectator sport.

          • George Williams

            Obamacare proves that Democrats can’t stand at a urinal without peeing on their own shoes. Only Democrats would believe that a man whose only accomplishment in life was extorting contributions from the local business community would make a creditable president.

      • D Parri

        Obama has turned out to be even more of the liar than I had first thought him to be. He has earned his reputation now for being a liar because of the incongruousness of his words and actions.

        More words from him can’t change that.

        • David Gorton

          Obama Karma!

          • D Parri

            Halleluiah!

    • Ted

      Without question your premise was so dramatically vindicated by the elections of 2000 and 2004. We concur!

    • D Parri

      Was it the failure of the American people to recognize a liar, or was it the success of a very good liar in deceiving his constituents?

      Perhaps it was some of both.

      • Ted

        How overly simplistic. 2008 was a referendum against the 8 years worth of Republican rule and the policies of W and his admin. The economy and housing in the tank, the Dow as low as 6,000, two horribly prosecuted wars one of which we shouldn’t have entered into–Iraq, not getting bin Laden et al. No Repub had a chance after the disaster that was/is W. and McCain sealed his fate when he picked Palin.

        • Sheila Warner

          Do you believe McCain had a chance had he not picked Sarah Palin? I’m really not so sure. I believe any incumbent President is held responsible for what goes wrong, especially when it is something so huge as the financial meltdown in 2008. Add into that the media’s obsession with the historic presence of a person who was half black, and McCain was doomed.

          In the end, Palin overshadowed him, and I don’t think he did a good job of getting his own message out. He had to fight against the media, which adored the President, I know, but he really came off as weak to me.

          I voted for McCain, because I just didn’t think President Obama was up for the job. He didn’t have enough experience, in my opinion. I think all of his missteps validated what I thought then.

          • T Ko

            Yes, his history has proven beyond all doubt that the confidence of a large number of voters was tragically misplaced.

            The question yet to be answered is will it happen again.

    • legal eagle

      Leave the country and move to Canada…

    • T Ko

      Perhaps there is an honest person out there that would be interested in the job.

      Unfortunately, an intelligent person who is also honest would be rare, but even more rare as a politician–impossible as an attorney.

  • Brian Fr Langley

    President Obama’s impeachable offense:
    On or about Sept. 30th 2011, a 16 year old American boy was killed by a drone attack. No Habeas Corpus, no Mens Rea, no Actus Reas. (all elements necessary to prove a crime in the U.S.) It is not believed he was member of any terrorist group, or any group plotting or calling for any acts whatever against his homeland. His only link to terrorists was his father who was killed weeks earlier in a seperate drone strike. (that is he was NOT collateral damage) It appears he was not an innocent bystander, but was actually the target of the strike. A 16 year old American boy killed by a drone without due process. And the silence is deafening? Perhaps if he was killed by a white hispanic like Trayvon Martin things might be diiferent? But I guess in America if you have a Arab sounding name (Abdulrahman Al-Awlaki) and your father is a bad guy? Presidents can kill you with out a peep? On fighting terrorist’s, it seems we, have become they?

    • Ted

      Had this happened under W would your position be the same? The W supporters would have called this “collateral” damage and passed it off as defending the US from another 9/11. When Obama does this in an effort to protect us and prevent another 9/11 that’s now an impeachable offense? Do you also support the invasion of Iraq?

      • Brian Fr Langley

        If I saw a man stealing from a merchant, I would call him a thief irrespective of his political party. As for Bush are you serious? His administration set up (the much railed against) Guantanomo bay just so terrorist’s would benefit from Habeas Corpus. Then went on to establish TRIALS. (and these for people who were NOT American citizens.

        • overbusy

          Trials Yes . But MILITARY TRIALS. With A Military Judge on a Military Base& Not Criminal Trials with a Public Defender. In A Public Building.

          • Sheila Warner

            We are at war. Military trials are appropriate.

          • T Ko

            I think too many people find it difficult to view the acts of terrorism as overt acts of war.

            The battlefields for this type of war, though, is not contained or defined geographically. The rules have changed–by necessity.

          • Ted Crawford

            Indeed, if we don’t adjust our paradigm, we will find ourselves in the same situation as the British during our Revolutionary War. When we engaged the British with the conventional tactics, of the day, we didn’t fare very well! it was our unconventional tactics that gleened our victories!
            If we don’t intend to lose this War, we necessarily must think differently, remember Vietnam! Had the powers that be listened to Col. Hackworth, the outcome of that engagement would have been much different!

          • brickman

            The five biggest victories against our British colonial masters were at Trenton, Saratoga, King’s Mt., Cowpens, and Yorktown. All were won by conventional methods. We won because Von Stueben was able to train our troops into being able to fight conventionally.

            As for Vietnam, if Eisenhower hadn’t been bullied by DeGaulle to help the French restore their Empire, we would have been better off.

          • T Ko

            The tactics of terrorism necessarily define engagements to preclude ‘meeting force with force’.

            This is an altogether different type of assault that requires adjustment of our own forces and methods.

            It will also require appropriate communications in order that we do not lose the PR battles that will obviously follow.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            I’m not sure what your point is? If you’re juxtaposing the Excutive executing an innocent American who does not receive the benefit of Habeas Corpus, with terrorist’s actually receiving said benefit, (from a different executive) that was in fact my point?

          • brickman

            I’m for trying them in the court with the largest potential sentence. Sometimes it’s military, sometimes it’s civilian.

        • legal eagle

          Habeas corpus has nothing to do with citizenship….It is a constitutional right bestowed on anyone arrested in the U.S. regardless of citizenship.

          • D Parri

            The Military Commissions Act of 2006, a bill which suspended habeas corpus for any alien determined to be an “unlawful enemy combatant engaged in hostilities or having supported hostilities against the United States” by a vote of 65-34.

            This was effectively a suspension of habeas corpus directly applied to the residents of Guantanamo Bay.

            Citizenry was a definite and very distinct criteria for application.

          • Sheila Warner

            Two thumbs up for this one!

      • Ted Crawford

        It seems you are suffering from a misconseption, actually a plethora of them, but I’m only addressing this one at this time.
        You assume, understandably given this is the habit of Progressives, that we support Bush ’43’ simply because he was a Republican! Actually, on the list of Presidents of the past 100 years he is number four, FROM the bottom! Your Messiah holds the last place, several points below Wilson! Carter, who himself allowed the assassination of a serving Ambassador (Arnold L. Raphel – Pakistan), the true Architect of this Arab Spring for his incompetent mishandling of the Embassy Assult, and hostage situation, that emboldened Iran and several other despotic regimes, fits between Wilson and Bush ’43’!

        • Ted

          Any list w/ W ahead of Obama is completely bogus as even you damn well know. And exactly who is the “historian” who compiled it, Sean Inanity or Rash Windbag or Glenn Blechhhh?

    • T Ko

      We…they…can you still tell the difference?

      Of course you can when you look at the battlefield. But when you look at the leadership it is becoming more cloudy all the time.

      Where are the good guys and bad guys in Benghazi? Don’t rely upon the leaders for the story–you may be disappointed.

      • Ted Crawford

        “But when you look at the Leadership…” Actually we’re still looking FOR some leadership! Those who were ‘in charge’ on 9/11/12 displayed none of the qualities of “Leadership”! Saddly the situation hasn’t inproved! Especially in view of the Nuclear Wedgie Putin gave to Obama with respect to Syria, he’s still trying to extract his tighty-whitey’s! China is rapidly inserting herself into the gap once held by American influience!

        • T Ko

          Precisely. I will never accuse Obama of being a leader. Period.

        • Ted

          Ironic that had W not failed to protect us from 9/11/01 which all the cons gave him a pass for, there’d have been no 9/11/12 would there? And had Obama been the Prez the. You’d still be whining about it and you’d have wanted him impeached. And W gets exonerated. Hypocrites!

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            >>Ironic that had W not failed to protect us from 9/11/01 which all the cons gave him a pass for, there’d have been no 9/11/12 would there?

            I thought 9/11/12 was about a YouTube video. I’m so confused right now.

          • Ted

            Yes.

          • Sheila Warner

            It seems to me that cons were on the commission that gave us the 9/11 report in the first place, no?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            The 9/11 commission was a Democratic idea. The Republicans (including Bush) initially weren’t interested in it, as they believed it was being proposed for purely political purposes. But as it proceeded (with 5 Dems and 5 Repubs on the commission), most people from both sides (Bush included) believed it to be fair and helpful.

          • Sheila Warner

            I never read it. When 9/11 happened, my initial response was wondering who could possibly ever imagine that people would actually fly commercial airliners into buildings? Did you read the commission’s report? If so, what did you think?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            I did at the time, but that was several years ago, and to be honest, I don’t remember the specifics.

            It seemed to have some good suggestions for the future and all. It didn’t accuse Bush of wrongdoing. It pointed out some glaring problems with the intelligence community. I think everyone understood at the time that Al Qaeda became emboldened and powerful under the Clinton administration, and that much of the 9/11 plot came together under Clinton’s last term in office. So any finger-pointing exclusively at Bush would have come across as partisan sniping.

            The truth is that 9/11 would have happened regardless of who was at the helm in 2001. Not enough people in our government understood the seriousness of the threat.

          • Sheila Warner

            I was raising my two children back in the late 80s, and I remember reading an editorial written by Charles Krauthammer, who said that Islamist extremists were more dangerous to the USA than the Soviets. I wish I remembered exactly when that was written, but when 9/11 happened, I remembered reading that editorial. So, at least Charles was aware of a threat from A-Q way back when. I’d like to get his book to see if that editorial is in it. He hit the nail on the head at least 10 years before the attack. (I only remember the general timeline of the editorial because I read it before we moved in 1992).

    • legal eagle

      And this is an impeachable offense against the POTUS because?

      • Brian Fr Langley

        How about “high crimes”? “Color of law” “Exessive force” If a cop can be charged with crimes against citizens for using excessive, force, I doubt POTUS should be immune from the same thing. He has sworn to uphold the constitution, not demolish it. An American citizen was killed (on his orders, since apparently only he can order drone strikes) without Habeas Corpus, without conviction, without judgement. That makes young Abdulrahmans death equivalent to a vigilante lynching. Worse, it appears, he may not even have committed a crime, much less one that might call for the death penalty. If that does not amount to “excessive force” nothing does.

        • legal eagle

          You need a lot more facts…What is with this impeachment crap? The USA is not a third world country where you just depose the government because you disagree with it…

          • Brian Fr Langley

            What I know is young American citizen Abdulrahman did NOT get a trial. Which typically only happens in 3rd world countries.

          • legal eagle

            There are citizens by cops all the time who don’t get trials….Let me understand this…you want to impeach Obama because a drone strike killed an American citizen in a foreign country? Why was he killed? What was the intelligence?

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Seems a lot of folks are willing to trade their birthright for a mess of pottage?

      • George Williams

        How about failing to uphold the COTUS with respect to his failure to enforce immigration law as specified in the Federal Code of Regulation, for one. While president’s have exercised discretion with prosecutions of immigration law on a case by case basis, Obama has effectively nullified the law of the land. How about violation the separation of powers but arbitrarily declaring the Senate in recess and illegally making an appointment that requires advise and consent of the Senate, for another. This is abuse of power at its worst. How about failing to enforce many Obamacare enactment deadlines specified in the Code of Federal Regulations, as enacted by the Congress of the United States? How about paying off political bundlers who are directly involved with investments backing green energy ventures. There was a time when liberals had the integrity to call such actions unethical and unacceptable, but now the compromise their personal integrity and will overlook virtually anything this president does. Ends justifies means politics and blatant vote buying is the only thing Democrats are into these days. Democrats care nothing for the people, only staying in office. Their voters are their sycophantic enablers.

        • Sheila Warner

          George, le is afraid of facts.

  • gold7406

    aca will be the ribik’s cube that no one will be able to solve. twists, turns, somersaults and flips will not help. they will be so many more tweaks,twerks,twerps and tumbles. it will be a legislative disaster with more people left uninsured and the responsibility for this solely on the backs of the dems. the hallucinogenic fog in the demosphere will be cloudier.

  • bella duparee

    @BRIAN LANGLEY…Yup. Only congress can declare war. Any number of what is written in the constitution is being ignored and squat being done. Maybe because you are a lawyer “LEGAL EAGLE” Perhaps you think you are the only one who knows anything because you have a “lawyer” sign hanging on your door? Smarter than everyone and your mother in law or mother in laws in general??? Sounds like if you had your choice, women would not be allowed to hold any political office?

    • legal eagle

      I loved my late mother in law and whatever she said I either agreed with or kept my mouth shut….However, we never discussed politics, money or religion….

      • George Williams

        Maybe you should treat those of us in this blog the same as you treated you mother-in-law.

        • Sheila Warner

          Two thumbs way up!

          • T Ko

            Four thumbs!

          • IHF

            And 1/2 a brain (or as you right wingers call it gifted)

          • T Ko

            Hello IHF. Still Hate Facists?

          • IHF

            Yeah especially Daly

          • John Daly

            Tell me about it! You think it’s easy having your face on a dildo?!

          • T Ko

            Yeah, it’s a good thing that you go back and change your comments because otherwise people would see that you actually wrote this…

            (IHF)
            “Yeah especially Daly”

            Funny, it doesn’t match what your comment now says.

            Why is that?

          • IHF

            Let’s see how long it takes for you to figure it out. (Hint: it wasn’t me that changed it)

          • Mrs IHF

            Anatomically correct ones. Unlike Daly.

    • legal eagle

      Did Congress declare war in Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan? I try to deal in the facts not in ideological hyperbole…Did St. Reagan declare war on Granada?

      • Brian Fr Langley

        Now you’re knocking on the right door. Americans have become enthralled to their own political parties, rather than principles. The framers didn’t give a s#^t what party held office, what they opposed (by bloody revolution) was executive (whether King or President) tyranny. Liberty always comes with a price.

        • Ted

          Excellent pts as partisanship has now trumped patriotism at least politically. No where was this more evident than over the last 5 years.

          When the Repubs hold a mtg on the night of Obama’s Inauguration back in 2008 where even Newt was invited and then conspire to obstruct and block everything Obama wants to get done it’s res ipsa loquiter. When McConnell candidly states his party’s goal is to make Obama a one term President it’s game over. He didn’t say his number one goal was to fix the economy or create jobs or end wars, he said defeat Obama in 2012. And the 420 filibusters proved it.

          • Ted Crawford

            Now much better would the Worlds living conditions be had this policy been aggressively pursued with other Despots of our past, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, etc.?

        • T Ko

          The parties are interested in power. The framers were interested in Liberty.

      • Ted Crawford

        Typical tactic of the academic, particularly a Progressive one, when devoid of substantive arguements, resort to semantics!
        “A Rose by any other name” Shakespeare
        “Education is the crutch with which the foolish attack the wise to prove they are not idiots!” Karl Kraus

        • legal eagle

          Don’t let the facts get in the way of your absurd argument….Your statement reminds me of the saying “If you can’t fill them with facts, baffle them with B.S.”…LOL

  • bella duparee

    COME ON LEGAL EAGLE AND Tko. Give us mother in laws a break. However, I wonder how many mother in laws/mothers have shared their wisdom and could have said down the road “I TOLD YOU SO.?” Now those are the last words a smart mother in law would ever use/well not me.

  • bella duparee

    @Ted…Good one. Actually, I like There is a gal named Bella. She is noted for breaking glass and would like to kick Pelosi in the ass/ha. I don’t think either of us should enter any poetry contests :) :) Have a happy new year.

  • Brian Fr Langley

    For some 800 years (the Magna Carta) English speaking peoples have had the right of Habeas Corpus. Yet at least 1 of the innocents Bernie referred to in this article (killed by drones) was an American citizen, who was neither arrested, nor tried, before he was executed. (we know he was innocent, because in this country citizens ARE INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty). Even the infamous King John (of Robin Hood fame) was MADE to comply with Habeas Corpus. Yet folks are meekly allowing this to pass. If a citizen is killed by the executive, without arrest or trial, it is murder, pure and simple. (unless or until the courts rule otherwise) The whole point of American democratic republicanism, is that NOBODY is above the law. Not Kings, not citizens, and NOT Presidents. Otherwise liberty is lost. Worse, the blood shed by generations of those who so vigorously pursued our freedoms is shamed.

    • Sheila Warner

      Enemy combatants who take up arms against the USA are not entitled to civil jurisprudence. We are at war, remember?

      • Brian Fr Langley

        First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out, because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a jew. When they came for me there was nobody left to speak out. “Enemy Combatant”? Says who? His executioners? That you should show such small regard, for the liberty bought by the blood of Patriots, is more than shameful? It is indicative of all that’s going wrong. PS according to the Constitution “the law of the land” only Congress can declare war. If lawlessness is not immoral, then what is?

        • brickman

          He was waging war against the United States. I’m glad he’s dead. The three friends of mine murdered on 9-11 weren’t given trials either.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            His young 16 year old American son was doing no such thing. He was killed in a drone strike some two weeks after his father was killed, to date, no reason for his execution has been given? Anyway a TV movie called the Hatfields vs the McCoys, gives a very apt portrayal of the anarchy you propose. America is now and always has been, a Nation of laws, NOT a Nation of vigilantes. (that’s what makes it the great Nation it is).

          • Sheila Warner

            We disagree. So be it. The guy was scum. I don’t usually resort to name calling, but he was despicable and a traitor to his country. As for his son? What was he doing over there with Daddy?

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Are you kidding???? He was only 16 years old, where else should be be? As for disagreement? justifying murder is more than a disagreement, it goes to the heart of why American culture is becoming fundamentally immoral. For years now, folks have pondered how it was, that such civilized people like the Germans, could have stood back and let their country descend into a brutal, repressive regime? With answers like yours, now we know.

          • Sheila Warner

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/obama-anwar-al-awlaki-son_n_3141688.html

            You’re right, there are questions about his death. As with everything President Obama’s administration weighs into, we can only expect two things: silence or a lie. But I agree with the killing of his father.

          • T Ko

            Like I keep pointing out, you should expect an investigation–when Benghazi is completed.

          • Sheila Warner

            And, as I pointed out, we’ll get either silence or lies.

          • T Ko

            Exactly…same as Benghazi.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Here’s the thing Sheila, If the President can kill a man without trial, he can kill you without trial. If his liberty is lost, then so is yours. How do you know he was a mad man terrorist? Only because that’s what his executioners told you? And in killing an American abroad, they would have every reason to lie. This is not what Amercans have fought and died for since their inception. In fact it’s the very opposite. But then to go on and kill a 16 year old boy? And then have folks defend it, like it’s okay? It seems to me that arguments for killing Al-Awlaki and his son (in a later strike) go against everything one could call American.

          • Sheila Warner

            I don’t believe this Administration will ever clear up the matter of the dead teenager. I can’t say it was premeditated murder b/c I don’t have all of the facts, Neither do you. Was the father an enemy combatant? The intelligence agency said so. I have no facts that prove otherwise. If an American leaves this country and joins foreign forces to hurt this nation, he is a traitor and just as much an enemy combatant as in any war. That’s the difference for me. His killing is regrettable b/c he chose to fight against us during war. That’s self defense, the only killing I believe is justified. You’ll probably be surprised to know that I do not support the death penalty here in the U.S. But the father forfeited his civil liberties when he took up arms against us, whether or not he actually fired a weapon. He assisted people who killed Americans and our allies. We will, as I said, agree to disagree on this.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Habeas Corpus is NOT a civil liberty. It is an inherent American RIGHT. It is not earned or bestowed. (thus can NOT be taken away) It is an ancient RIGHT that english speaking peoples have changed the face of the earth with. READ the U.S. Declaration of Independance and the Constitution for crying out loud. You know the one the executive has sworn to uphold. How can an American possibly believe their RIGHTS come from a Government.

          • Sheila Warner

            Our fundamental disagreement is whether or not Al-Awlaki had those rights once he committed treason by giving assistance to an enemy during war time, which led to the deaths of innocents. I believe he was an enemy combatant, and you do not. I have nothing more to add.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            None of this conservation was about about Al-Awlaki? It was about his16 yr. old son (born in America), who was killed some two weeks later by a drone. (not special forces). Something Obama had (has) no legal or constitutional right to do.

          • Sheila Warner

            You believe he was targeted. Others believe it was someone else. I trust our intelligence. We must agree to disagree on this. No point in further discussion.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            It’s the NOT knowing that’s the threat to liberty? That is the point and the whole point? You need to read a little more history. Anyway, it’s exactly attitudes like these that show the country may well be beyond salvation. Republican, Democrat or Libertarian, the framers would be absolutely astounded? Nuff said.

          • brickman

            Yeah, it’s the same as extermination camps. That was sarcasm for all you Sheldon Coopers out there.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Read a little history, despots like Adolph, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc. etc. etc. never started out with extermination camps. They stared out by people like you letting liberty slip through their fingers, 1 drop at a time. Without Habeas Corpus nobody is safe.

          • brickman

            They are not coming for me. I talked to the NSA, they don’t think you’re important enough to come after either.:-)

          • T Ko

            Unauthorized killing of an American citizen should be investigated. You can expect that to happen as soon as the Benghazi investigations are resolved.

          • brickman

            The father’s killing was authorized. The son was with a terrorist cell on foreign soil. He won’t be harming any Americans in the future.

          • T Ko

            Yes, and I’m sure that the people who are investigating Benghazi can expect the POTUS’s full support.

            Christopher Stevens won’t bother anyone any more either.

          • brickman

            Christopher Stevens was an American Patriot beloved by members of the Obama Administration (appointed by them) and a hero to the American and Libyan people. To equate him with al-awaki is a disgrace.

            He is the latest casualty in a thirty year war that killed 258 American marines, embassy personnel and CIA staff in Beirut in 1983, killed 270 people over Lockerbie, 19 airmen in the Khobar Towers, 17 sailors aboard the USS Cole, 9 in a 2003 attack on a US diplomatic in Riyadh, 2,977 dead on 9-11 (I don’t count the terrorists) and the death of US diplomat David Foy (who was singled out) in an attack on the US consulate in Pakistan in 2006. I’m sure you blamed Bush for that death, didn’t you? I blame the terrorists that killed all these people.

          • T Ko

            No, I don’t blame Bush for failing to foresee an attack that the CIA, FBI, NSA, or a dozen other security agencies failed to warn us against.

            I do blame Obama and his administration for reducing the protections afforded to Ambassador Stevens, and Honey Hillary for failing to respond as chief official (Secretary of State?) on the night of the attack or even prior to the attack as a precautionary measure.

            The terrorists are the perpetrators–a fact well-known by those at-risk and by those responsible for their safety.

            Only a fool would say that I have equated Ambassador Stevens to any terrorist–named al-Awlaki or otherwise.

          • brickman

            Was typing so fast I missed an l. Notice I didn’t point out Sheila Warner’s missal.It’s about ideas.

          • Ted

            Oh, no warnings you say? Wrong! He got two memos the last of which from the CIA’s Richard Clarke on August 6th warning “bin Laden determined to strike inside the US”. It was read to him by Condie Rice so why didn’t W at least increase his attention to what bin Laden might do or cut his vacation short and return to the White House after taking the longest vacation any first year president has EVER taken? Or like Clinton hold weekly meetings to assess bin Laden’s capabilities?

            How partisan that you give W a pass when 3,000 die on US soil but blame Obama when 4 (albeit tragically) die on the continent of Africa? If it wasn’t for double standards you’d have no standards at all.

          • T Ko

            If it weren’t for your stupidity, then I’d have to scold you for lying so badly, Stinky.

            Problem is, you probably believe your own lies.

            Pathetic.

          • legal eagle

            Who said it was unauthorized?

          • T Ko

            Who said it was?

          • brickman

            The son was killed in a drone strike that killed nine including a couple of members of Al Queda. The son was not the target of the attack. He just happened to be with a bunch of terrorists. As Rick Perry said “oops”. If it comes down to killing an American engaging in terrorist activities or having innocent Americans killed here, I vote for the former.

            I was in the US Army during the Cold War. We had nuclear missiles and bombs that would have killed tens of millions if we were forced to use them. In World War ll we turned German cities to dust and Japanese ones to ashes. Drones are as clean as war gets. Are they perfect? No. Nothing in life is.

          • Sheila Warner

            There seems to be some discrepancies in what happened with the teen. Check out the HuffPo article to which I linked when replying to Brian. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/obama-anwar-al-awlaki-son_n_3141688.html

            Even so, without knowing what the teen was really up to, or the real target, I agree that it is better to use a drone than missals. Or, worse yet, putting boots on the ground, which would cause more casualties for us. Self defense is one of the most important things our government is required to do.

          • brickman

            The discrepancies are between two competing sides. On one side are the US intelligence agencies and special forces. Are they always believable? No. Are they usually believable? Yes.

            On the other side is the bereaved grandfather of the young man, the father of the known terrorist. He’s upset. I don’t care.

            The other person in the story on Huff Post quoted in the article is Jeremy Scahill, a left wing journalist and admirer of Daniel Berrigan. He also was the producer of Michael Moore’s TV series. If you want to start quoting anything from those shows as the gospel truth you are free to do so. I would imagine most commenters on this site would disagree. I’m disagreeing with him now.

          • Sheila Warner

            I never said that I agreed with what the leftists are saying. Only that there was a discrepancy. I’m with you: I’ll trust our special ops and intelligence any day of the week over any terrorist. The guy betrayed his country, took up the fight against us on foreign soil during war, and thus, he is now KIA. Too bad. We kill the enemy during war–it’s not pretty, but we must defend ourselves. I don’t even think of the guy as an American.

          • brickman

            They’re not leftists. They’re so far right that it starts to wrap back around. I’m with you. I’m not losing sleep over this situation. The reason I brought up the Michael Moore producer point is that I know these folks hate him and would be annoyed to be on his side.

          • Sheila Warner

            Thanks, Brick.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            And you know this how? Maybe you attended the public trial? No that didn’t happen. So all you know is what the boy’s executioners told you? I mean, what else would they say?

          • brickman

            We trust different people. If given the choice between believing US Special Forces or al Queda, forgive me, I trust the guys in the berets.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Trust the guys in Berets? To a moral certainty. (absolutely) But trust the guy who pulls the trigger, (metaphorically speaking in the case of drones) you know, the one who said “if you like your plan, you can keep your plan”? As John Wayne used to say, “Not hardly”.

          • IHF

            So the issue then is the illegitimate president not the killing itself that is the issue?

          • Brian Fr Langley

            The issue is the excutive executing an innocent, without Habeas Corpus, Mens Rea, or Actus Reas. In VIOLATION of the law, and the inherent Constitutional RIGHTS of an American citizen. (perhaps read the whole posts)

          • IHF

            I did read it. You brought up “if you like your plan …”. What is the relevance of that?

          • Ted

            Actually, I believe the phrase was, “Not likely”.

          • D Parri

            Go watch Big Jake. Brian had it correct.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            The Character big Jake McCandles in the movie “Big Jake”.

          • Sheila Warner

            Me, too.

          • Sheila Warner

            Excellent point!

        • Sheila Warner

          BTW, Congress authorized the wars.

          • T Ko

            No authorization…no budget appropriation. I’ve never seen a war fought without money (i.e., budget)…have you?

  • Wheels55

    2014 can be better for Obama if he just accepts that he is a failure, does nothing except set himself up for expensive speeches upon retirement in 2016. I don’t think even his fellow democrats what his endorsement when running in 2014 and even 2016.

    • T Ko

      If he would simply retreat to his private garden and remain there for the next 3 years, then he would do himself a great service…and his country too!

    • Ted

      Oh, you mean like how no one wanted W’s endorsement during the 2008 elections? Where McCain and that low IQ, knucklehead Palin wouldn’t be seen on the same stage w/ W at the RNC that year? Funny how short and selective rt wingnut memories are. And, if I were W I’d have thanked Palin for not being on the same stage as her, too! Then again had Palin not accepted the nomination and had McCain gone w/ his first choice of Ackerman they just might have won in a squeeker?

      • Wheels55

        I’m not sure what McCain and W have to do with my statement. I didn’t bring that up. However, I remember the same thing.
        I am not a rt wingnut. I am Libertarian and tend to find a lot of fault with most anyone in Washington.

    • T Ko

      Yes, if Obama-Devil and Nazi-Pelosi were to just creep back into the shadows, then things would instantly begin to improve.

  • Wheels55

    It’s amazing that he has a 39% approval rating. People still like him. I think the 39% are assisted in thought by the idea that our leader really isn’t a leader and not much of these messes are his fault.
    So, who is in charge, Biden? Naawwwww.
    Pelosi? Nope.
    Reid? I think a lot of this is his fault along with Over-rated Obama.

    • Ted Crawford

      While everything Obama has done clearly reflects his Anti-Colonial Islamic upbringing, from his Indonesian and North African early associations, it seems that his closest confident and advisor, the Iranian born Valerie Jarrett, has a tremendous influience on most of his actions!

      • Sheila Warner

        Jarrett was born to American parents who were in Iran doing charitable work. It’s wrong to insinuate that she is Iranian.

        • Ted Crawford

          Yes! Of Course! We know! Even as Obama claims he isn’t effected by his sessions “at the knee of Uncle Frank”, who was a member of CPUSA or by the teaching’s of Rev, Wright, who’s sermons included phrases such as “Go_ _amn America!”.Nothing to see here move on!

          • Ted

            So, now after he went to a Christian church for 20 yrs, you admit Obama’s a Christian not a Muslim? And exactly how many of those Rev Wright sermons did you attend? Probably the same as me, zero. Sheesh, you give guys named Ted a bad name!

          • Ted Crawford

            Black Liberation Theology isn’t exactly Christian, in the first place and Obama himself explained his religious preference is Muslim! Once on National Television and again in an address to the Turkish Parliment!

          • Ted

            And did I say Xenophobe much? Yeah, I did and with complete and obvious justification. Should you suddenly become interested in the truth go back and watch the TV interview you reference with George Stephanopoulis. And watch what Obama says both before and after what you think is his admission that he’s a Muslim. Now, I realize it will prevent you from doing what you do best which is take words out of contest but oh well!

            Besides, only an ideologue of the first order would be able to twist and distort what Obama said into an admission that he’s a Muslim. Now, I realize for you that’s par for the course but for any reasonable person not so much. I’ll also bet the ranch that when Obama misspoke and mentioned visiting 58 states or told small business owners that they didn’t build the infrastructure you of course turned that into bullshit that fit your narrow minded narrative didn’t you?

          • T Ko

            Careful, Ted, ol’ Spanky sometimes gets a little touchy when you attack his idol, and then it causes him to say something stupid.

            Sorry, TC, I was wrong…he always says stupid stuff.

            “Stupid is as stupid says”…and he sure does stupid!

      • Ted

        Wow! Xenophobe much? Ok, so it’s a rhetorical question. For someone who seems to thinks he understands Obama because he read The Rage of Obama and/or listened to Newt Gingrich your conclusions though fervent are a joke. You have way too much excess pride in your misguided and partisan opinion.

        • Ted Crawford

          How refreshing, the Xenophobic label, rather than the tired, old Racist idiocy! My understanding of Obama, as you refer to it began with the reading of his own books! I filled in the gaps with research done at the Library, I don’t trust internet sources for important things. Obama’s own public pronouncements, he appearently never expected to run for public office, have been the major factors in my opinion!

          • Ted

            So since you had no reply to my points about the confidentiality of college records you tacitly admit that you mindlessly bought those chain emails which told you what you wanted to hear, didn’t you? Like all good extremists when you’re caught dead to rights merely change the subject and/or cut and run. Your extremist side always uses the same playbook. How predictable.
            And here comes the part you didn’t know and won’t like or as your fringe end of the fringe end calls them “facts I simply dismiss because I don’t like them”. As for calling rt wing racism “idiocy”, you’re no doubt unaware that White supremacy hate groups have gone up 244% since Obama’s been in office. And per his former Secret Service agent who wrote a book about his experiences, he gets 35 death threats per day which is 400% more than W got. Of course to you those are probably policy based death threats rather than race based death threats because people like you don’t like the ACA isn’t it? And then there’s this, per a recent AP poll 57% of your side gave racist answers while 34% of the Dems did. Nah, no racism anymore is there? In fact, you’re probably so illinformed you think Obama won because the majority of whites voted for him don’t you? Wouldn’t it be great if your pt of view were actually supported by the facts or the truth?

    • Ted

      Sure you want to bring up approval ratings? I wouldn’t.Your guys in Congress have an 8% “approval” rating. That begs the question why is it so high?

      • Wheels55

        Who are my guys?
        By the way, democrats (I assume your guys) share the same lousy approval rating.

  • AbdullahtheButcher

    Well, I’ve always felt Barry was a overrated Chicago machine politician in over his head, so I can’t say I’m surprised.

    • T Ko

      I will concur….

  • D Parri

    Ok, Bernie, I agree with you that 2014 should pretty much turn out as you’ve projected it to come.

    However, I’ve never seen anyone fare as well at spinning the truth and come out ok, even after they looked like there were no other cards to play and they already had a losing hand. Except one. But he will be holding his trump cards to throw in the game in 2016 for his honey Hillary.

    • Lc Goodfellow

      D P You want to look for them, the Bumper Stickers
      ” Monica Lewinsky’s X-Boyfriend’s Wife for President 2016 “

      • T Ko

        That wouldn’t be a supporter of Honey Hillary…would it?

      • worker1950

        ROFLMAO

      • Ted Crawford

        I’ve been trying to determine if Hillary was angry at Monica because she was cheating on her with Bill, or simply because the idiots got caught at it!
        They should have created the arrangement that the Obama’s have with Valerie! When Obama has been a good boy Valerie even lets him wear his favorite garter-belt when she visits the Residence!

    • T Ko

      And his honey he will support…Benghazi or not!

  • keith hart

    Allow me to extend to each and every member of the forum a heartfelt wish for the Best for you all in the coming New Year — regardless of your personal political poison.

    May all your resolutons be reasonable.

    Tortola beckons. Yet, more family to gather to. See y’all in early february, God willing.

    • D Parri

      Now you’ve gotta’ share something with me.

    • D Parri

      A follow-up: got it!

  • D Parri

    Bernie, not over the top at all…figuratively speaking, of course.

  • bella duparee

    There is a man named Ted whose brain is dead. He’s going down with the ship as he takes the sip of Obama Kool Aid.

    • Ted

      There’s a gal named Bella
      who feeds like Lugosi
      Just like him
      she’d like to bite on Pelosi.

      • T Ko

        So, you and Nazi-Pelosi good buds? I didn’t know that Stanky.

  • bella duparee

    @DREW PAGE. Thank you for your EXCELLENT COMMENT. Wisdom beyond belief. However, I have to agree to disagree. I have a “dog in the fight” and think many other do as well when it comes to Benghazi and our Ambassador and heros that were murdered because Obama, Reid, Clinton, etc. turned a deaf ear to our people. But definitely right about more in the dog fight with Obama’s affordable (ha) health care. My son in law is an Obama supporter..He didn’t believe me when I told him from the get go Obama care was going to take away his health care benefits..What was once 100% health care/no deductiable, no co pay has turned into big time money out of his pocket $$$$. Now his well known company (changed in 2012) has a big deductiable, big co pay. Peace at any price. I am not going to tell him I told you so when he voted for Obama again in 2012. I am going to send your factual and intelligent comments to everyone in my address book. We need more people like you.

    • legal eagle

      Nothing like listening to your mother-in- law talk politics…

      • T Ko

        REALLY?!? Is this your Mother-in-Law? Well, Congrats, there ol’ Weasel!

        • legal eagle

          Starting with the name calling again?

          • T Ko

            What name calling?

          • legal eagle

            Weasel = name calling…Once is a joke…repetition is name calling…

          • T Ko

            Ok then, Legal Weasel.

          • legal eagle

            Ok moron….nice knowing you…I think you’re brain has is damaged from too many TKOs…

          • T Ko

            What is your definition of “TKO”?

            Is Weasel Is as Weasel Does in your Is vocabulary today, or is it Was today and Is for yesterday?

          • legal eagle

            TKO stands for “technical knockout”…It’s a term that’s been used in boxing for decades…

          • T Ko

            Your comment only goes to prove that you are not actually omniscient.

            You don’t know everything…how disappointing.

          • T Ko

            Sorry, never drunk one…or two…or….

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            You mean, like calling people Archie Bunker and telling them they’re bitter old white guys?

          • T Ko

            That’s his ‘bait and switch’ side.

            The key is to never trust him. It’s a reputation that he earned.

          • Ted

            You are you scatologically challenge douche. Oops, was that name calling? My bad!

          • T Ko

            Well, at least you didn’t call me Zed…I mean Ned…I mean Jed…oh heck, you know the name there Spanky!

            Puueeey!

          • T Ko

            Yes, you are bad. Period.

      • T Ko

        So, is this really your mother-in-law or are you calling Bella names…AGAIN?

  • TOMMY FREEDOM

    I pray that the Obama’s find God’s Love.

    • George Williams

      I pray that he succumbs to a banana peel on the sidewalk.

      • Ted

        Yeah, if you had your way Alex Smith or Glenn Blechhhh or Wayne LaPierre would be President.

  • Brian H

    Nice article, but you gotta learn its/it’s. ITS = belonging to it. IT’S = It is, it has.
    His, hers, its,
    He’s, she’s, it’s.

    There; allficksed.

    • Sheila Warner

      I didn’t want to be petty and point that out. Glad someone else did!

      • T Ko
    • D Parri

      Shezzzaaaammm!!!

    • Lc Goodfellow

      Is this a ” Is ” thing again ?

      • T Ko

        Well, now…it all depends upon your definition of “Is”, doesn’t it?

        • legal eagle

          If you were in the legal world you would know that moronic statements like defining “is” happens in every deposition.

          • T Ko

            And moronic statements are useful for what?

            Maybe the legal world has a greater need for moronic statements. Is that what is is when there is an is?

          • legal eagle

            It’s useful for arguing your case in front of a judge or jury…

          • T Ko

            Ah, yes…the smartest and brightest of all. No better place for moronic statements in my book.

          • T Ko

            Is you speaking as if you is a legally weevilly moron?

            Is that your “Is” for the day? Well, you is what you is!

  • Drew Page

    It doesn’t take a seer to predict that the sun will come up tomorrow morning or that it will rise in the East and set in the West. Similarly, it doesn’t take a seer to predict that the problems Americans will have with Obama Care will only get worse as time goes by. The failed website is only the tip of the iceberg. People will learn in less than a week whether the coverage they thought they signed up for on the website actually went into effect on January 1, 2014. Some will find out when they go to a hospital or doctors office that there is no record of them being insured by the insurance company they thought they were buying a plan from. When these people call the insurance company to confirm the existence of their coverage they may well learn the insurance company has no evidence from the government website of their enrollment.
    When the employer mandate extension expires, millions of those insured through their employer’s health plan will see their coverage terminated as it will be much cheaper and easier for employers to merely pay the fine ($2,000. per employee, per year) than to pay the health insurance premiums ($10,000 to $12,000 per employee, per year). In addition to these savings, employers would no longer be subject to annual premium increases; union bargaining over health insurance benefits and employee contributions; continual state and federal mandates applicable to employer sponsored health insurance; record keeping; and employee complaints of health claims denied in part or in full by the insurance company. Those who lose such employer provided health insurance will see first hand how the deductibles, coinsurance percentages, out-of-pocket limits and monthly premium rates compare to what they had through their employer. We will see then how much they believe that the Obama Care options are so much better and cheaper then the “substandard” plans they used to have. That will be when the fecal matters hits the fan.
    All of this of course will be accompanied by:
    * losing the doctors and hospitals of their choice;
    * more doctors refusing to accept Medicare, Medicaid and Obama Care insured patients;
    * increased waiting times to schedule appointments with doctors and treatment plans;
    * health insurance company bailouts; and
    * federal income tax increases, even for those who make less than $200,000 per year.
    And all of these things will be categorized by the President and his supporters as “bumps in the road”. Can’t get in to see a doctor? Your doctor does want to treat you any longer? Find yourself without coverage even though you enrolled? You, your spouse or your child need to wait your turn for chemotherapy and/or radiation treatments because of the lack of doctors or treatment facilities that will accept your “insurance”? Tell these people then about how these things are merely “bumps in the road”.

  • BaldEagle

    As a concerned citizen, I have a few basic questions.

    My first question in this whole mess is how valid are the polls?: Are there enough — dumbed-down, Occupy Wall Street, unemployed-government-subsidized citizens, government workers and other obamite — types that are not counted and can be relied on to keep the country going in the self-destruct spiral? The pollsters missed hugely in the last presidential election.

    Next question is: How are conservative groups like the Heritage Foundation reaching out to these people?

    And finally, is it too late, and if so, what happens next?

    • brickman

      Nate Silver’s poll had the electoral vote right on target last time.The people who missed hugely were people who thought the polls had a liberal skew. THEY WERE THE CONSERVATIVES. Where have you been?

      • Sheila Warner

        I’m not a liberal or conservative, but I never bought into the wishful thinking of too many pollsters that actually believed that Mitt Romney would win. They had to not have been living in the real world. Not a thing changed in my neighborhood. The same people who believed in the President the first time were still giving him the benefit of the doubt the second time. The GOP staked its position on common sense and reason. There’s a dearth of that in America these days. It’s all about emotion.

        • D Parri

          I ask you one question to consider and then reaffirm or change your comment.

          If Obama had said that ‘You will not be able to keep your health plan, it will cost more, and you’ll probably pay more and need to find a new doctor’, then do you think that it would have been a ‘done deal’ in your mind that Romney would lose?

          • Sheila Warner

            Excellent point. But my own point was that the President played fast and loose with the facts in 2008, the MSM let him, and so the people bought it. No one was paying attention then, or in 2012. But you are correct. Had the President told the truth about health care, he would never have gotten it passed. Those of us who lived through the attempt to pass Hillarycare tried to warn our fellow Americans. We were ignored. I still say emotion drove the electorate. The MSM made the President look so gosh darn charming.

          • Ted

            Oh, what was fast and loose in 2008 from Obama?

          • Ted Crawford

            The answer to the question, “What wasn’t fast and loose” is far, far shorter. In fact it contains only one entry!
            His Freudian admission of his Muslim Faith during his interview with George Stephanopoudurlos, which he later, in a 2009 address to the Turkish Parliment in Ankara Turkey, reaffirmed!

          • Ted

            Wow, so let me guess? You’re also a Birther and probably an unabashed racist aren’t you? Odd how the only President in our countries history to ever have his citizenship and religion questioned is also the first one who’s black? Had he been white weak minded, low information, fear based knuckleheads like you who find 10 minute, edited, hatchet job, Youtube videos persuasive would’ve never even considered that. Funny also how 20% of you and your fringe end of the fringe end also believe that Obama’s the anti-Christ.

          • Ted Crawford

            The only reason anyone should question his self proclaimed religious beliefs, might have to do with the fact that he was recently credited with the top four lies of the year!
            As to my research sources, they began by my reading of his books, in 2008. That startled me enough to cause many trips to the Library, I don’t trust the internet for important issues, and never use U-Tube or twitter!
            The primary reason for questioning his Education and Citizenship has to do with the fact that he’s the first President to spend Millions of Dollars to keep his entire official educational past, from registration to graduation, concealed, rather curious!
            As to my being a Racist, if it wasn’t for the fact that you poor, tired, clueless Progressives have used that idiotic excuse ad nausium, I’d be insulted. As it is that just verifies that you have nothing substantive to argue!

          • Ted

            Thx for teeing this one up for me! Your reply is chock fill of contradictions and inaccuracies starting w/ your statement that Obama spent millions or was the first President to seal his records. The first thing Bush Jr did in office was to seal his record and a quick trip to Google will confirm that. Also, you claim you don’t trust the internet but like many extremist rt wingers gullibly believed at least one of those idiotic, propagandist, rt wingnut, chain emails claiming Obama spent millions sealing his college records. So, he could seal his records but for some reason no one can explain was unable to conceal how much it cost him to do it? Newsflash! Mine are sealed just like Obama’s and do you know how much it cost me? The same as Obama, not a cent! Had you attended college you’d know that ALL college and even high records are automatically sealed and only the respective student can release them. When you decide to adopt some objective and reasonable standards of truth let know? Like many of your extremist brethren yours are solely and clearly “Does it vilify Obama” not is it true.

            And when you, like many fear based ideologues and neocons say you read “his books” your statements suceeding that suggest that you read nonsense like Dinesh D’Souza’s The Rage of Obama for your sources. D’Souza talks as though he’s an Obama expert and yet he’s never even met him! He read Obama’s book and demonstrating his talent for political and financial opportunism pandered to the freaked out hard rt wing telling them in his book and his propapanda filled movie, 2016, exacting what they wanted to hear. And people you lapped it up and began regurgitating it on sites like this one. You’re either absurdly gullible or and/or a racist. You decide.

          • Ted Crawford

            WOW ! You are, indeed proof positive that Mr. Stalin was correct” Education is a weapon, who’s effect depends on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed” as well as was Voltaire “It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere” However if you are so enamored with Leftist Government, you’ll need to find a different Country to experience it!

          • Sheila Warner

            He was not honest about his relationship with Bill Ayers. That should have been a red flag right there. His relationship with his pastor was another one. He portrayed himself as not engaged with those two. Had the press done its job and looked into those connections, the people might have had a better idea of President Obama’s views on government. President Obama was an historic candidate, he is witty, he is charming, his rhetoric is lofty, and he wasn’t George W Bush. The press fell in love with him. The GOP was so maligned in the press that a kangaroo could have beaten John McCain.

          • D Parri

            There’s absolutely nothing like having the MSM on your side when running for high public office.

            Just think of the opposite and then it’s easy to discern the benefits.

            Unfortunately, the MSM should conduct themselves and their reporting in a non-bias, non-partisan manner, but I think you could easily say that they were anything but non-partisan during Obama’s two campaigns.

          • Ted

            You mean partisan like Faux News?

          • T Ko

            No, Stinky, faux is actually a French word for “fake”…you know, like you.

          • T Ko

            Yes, DP, it is pretty obvious…if Obama had been honest from the outset he would have never been elected, passed OCare, or been re-elected. But isn’t that the normal prognosis for an honest politician?

        • Ted

          You sure sound like Rockefeller Repub at best to me. So who’d you vote for in 2012?

          • T Ko

            Wouldn’t you like to know, Spanky? Now, just sit back down.

          • Ted

            Was anyone talking to you? No on cares who you voted for.

          • T Ko

            Hey when I want your merdique opinions…I’ll ask for it!

            So, sit down and shut up! Stanky!

          • Sheila Warner

            Just love it when someone tries to determine what I am, politically. I’ve been accused of being a libtard as well as a GOP right wing nutter. So, you tell me. Seems to me I’m right where I belong, poking both sides when they deserve it.

        • brickman

          Only Rasmussen and Gallup had Romney winning the popular vote and both by only 1 point. No pollster had him winning the Electoral College. The “wishful thinking” was done by pundits and political operators (sometimes the same thing). I could name them all but we know who they were. My point to bald eagle’s question was the error was not in the polls but in the people who decided that they must be liberal propaganda ” so let’s unskew them”.

          • Sheila Warner

            I’m sure you are referring to a particular pundit who carries around a white board? (In addition to others, of course, one of whom was let go by FNC)

          • brickman

            In addition to about 20 others. FNC hired one named George Will after his prediction failed and they’ve kept others like Krauthammer and Hannity.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            FNC fired George Will? Think you’re confused, brickman.

          • brickman

            Think you need glasses , John.:-) It says FNC HIRED one named George Will.

        • Lc Goodfellow

          Romney, lost because he was up against the
          ‘CHI-town’ game.
          He lost because of all the ‘Yellow Journalist’
          Where were the ‘Boos’ for Candy Crowly ( “I’d do it again” cow ) from the crowd on that lie.
          He lost because of all the little Obama, organizers that sat in their offices for 4, ( four years) collecting wages and names for fundraising.
          It’s Chicago style politics and why some wallets carry ‘Payoff paper’ for the good of the party.
          Dig into ‘That One’s history, read the dam books.
          Even his.
          ” The secret of freedom lies in educating people, whereas the secret of tyranny is in keeping them ignorant.” (Maximilien Robespierre)

          • Sheila Warner

            Why was that rant directed at me? I merely said that I knew Mitt would lose. Did I defend how the President waged his campaign? I did not.

      • Ted

        Yeah, and the cons for the first time it’s ever happened claimed the BLS jobs numbers were skewed and the fact checkers could no longer be trusted to check facts and Romney would win in a landslide. They were 0 for 4 in 2012 weren’t they.

    • Brian Fr Langley

      Originally States founded on the democratic republican ideals based on the ancient tenets of English common Law (including America) did not allow folks who depended on alms (people dependant on the state or charity’s) to vote. The reasons are pretty obvious. What would you expect would happen if folks are given a vested interest in a welfare state? They’ll of course vote for a welfare state. I’d never say it’s too late, but let’s just say it may only be a minute or two until midnight.

      • Sheila Warner

        A republic is a messy sort of government, but it’s still the best one around. The pendulum tends to swing back and forth in politics. I think there will be people who wake up and smell the coffee, hopefully, before it is too late. The one good outcome of ObamaCare is that it affects every American citizen. This is not a special interest or partisan matter. People do, as you point out, vote with the wallet. When enough Americans are hurt by this law, that ol’ pendulum will come a-swingin’ back again.

    • Ted Crawford

      “Is it too late?” If not now, it certainly will be by November 5, 2014, if ANY Progressive holds the Gavel in Either House of Congress!
      “What happens next?”
      That was explained over 200 years ago, even as America was estsblishing itself! Ben Franklin hinted at it upon leaving the Constitutional Convention after signing the Constitution! “A Republic, Madam, if you can keep it!”! Others explain what would happen if we apathetically allowed our Republic to degenerate into a Democracy, which saddly we did, officially on March 4, 1913!
      ” Democracy cannot exist as a permenant form of government. It can only exist untill the voters discover they can vote themselves Largesse from the Public Treasury. From that moment on the majority will always vote for the Candidates promising the most benifits from the Public Treasury, with the result that a Democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, and is always followed by a dictatorship” Alexander Fraser Tytler 1787

  • ted

    President Obama has brought a new level of winning at any cost to the office of the president. He won. He possesses the power of every asset of the United States government and uses it powerfully to win the country over into the Progressive poverty he wants for America. He used it successfully and established a model to be used forever by Progressive politicians. Republicans still have no clue and the Other Party (than the Progressive one) is busily fighting among themselves. I guess that Democrats will win to House and keep the Senate and continue to destroy the America in which we all (excepting the president) grew up. It is the end, so shut up and enjoy becoming the New France.
    http://www.periodictablet.com

  • keith hart

    Obama will have a worse year in 2014 than previous year? Hmm.

    In many situations predictions have little value other than studies in random probability. Aviators and mariners learn early on to put greater credence in weather reports than weather forecasts.

    People are forever re-learning the surest way to lose money in the market is to put faith in and take action based on market predictions; rather, than observing what the market is doing right now and take measure of that momentum.

    So, what is Obama doing right now, other than having driven a stake through the heart of America and flying off to Hawaii with the family?

    He is floundering in his efforts to convince the American electorate his agenda is after all law and therefore must be obeyed. Taking measure indicates the momentum of this is on the rise.

    Will Obama have a worse year than last? We will see when forecast becomes report.

    In his past 5 years Obama has never demonstrated an ability to recover from self-inflicted wounds. His hubris compels him to dig in and bear down like a true by-the-book chicago politician; rather, than alter course avoiding collision.

    Until now Obama has demonstrated his dependency upon his base constituencies overlooking, even ignoring his pratfalls. And in many cases admiring those pratfalls the way Charlie Chaplin fans admired his. And don’t overlook the key player in this farcical tragedy. The media’s ability to minimize and misdirect for his benefit.

    The strength of Obama’s two co-dependencies — base blindness and media shielding — appear to be on the wane. As the realization of personal pain hits home even for them.

    One thing not open to probability, but, is as constant as a sunrise, is Obama’s obstinacy in forging ahead with all the verve and nerve of an ideologue.

    For someone who opposes what Obama stands for and has done in the last 5 years, I hope in 2014, Obama has his best year, ever. As he is his own worst enemy. I count the days to Nov. 4, 2014.

    If I may quote a savvy commentator on the scene,
    “The magic is wearing thin, mainly because ObamaCare affects people in a way that Benghazi or the IRS never did. I also said the media seemed to be falling out of love with him. Lose the American people and the media, I said, and for the first time Barack Obama might be in some real hot water.”

    • Drew Page

      Sadly, most Americans do not feel the pain of Fast & Furious, IRS targeting, NSA spying, or the Benghazi massacre. The annual deficits, the growing $17 trillion national debt, Afghanistan, Iran, Syria are all things on which many will have an opinion, but not much more of an opinion than they have on who will win the next World Series or Super Bowl.
      Obama Care however is a whole different thing. Everyone has a dog in this fight, and it’s personal, it affects the financial and emotional security of most everyone. Those who get health insurance that somebody else has to pay for will of course be all for it, as will those who could not buy coverage even if they wanted to pay for it. But comparatively speaking, this is a small percentage (less than 10%) of the population. The other 90% are going to be adversely affected. Would you want to be a politician facing an election with 10% of the public, many of whom don’t bother to vote, happy with you and the other 90% wanting to see you lynched?

    • D Parri

      Good points and comment, K.

      The one thing that seems to stand out more than any at this juncture is something you brought up. That is, how personal pain tends to be an eye opener where all other stimuli may have failed.

      I believe wholeheartedly that 2014 will be the most eye-opening time of all for most Americans. The personal pain won’t be limited only to the healthcare interests of our nation. Unfortunately.

    • Sheila Warner

      I’ve been so shocked at the President’s ability to dig in and remain popular for five years, that I hesitate to predict he will fare worse in 2014. One area of concern for me is this: will the government really bail out the insurance industry, or will the true motive of this debacle come to fruition? That is, single payer.

      If people think things are bad now, just wait until that happens. This nation has too many citizens and way too much debt to pull that off. I used to think it was feasible, but I no longer believe that. Facts are stubborn things. Just look at bad it is for the folks who don’t have employer coverage now. That’s what, about 15% of the nation? If this Administration wants ObamaCare to be the law for 100% of the population, we definitely will go bankrupt. Start learning Mandarin now, folks–China will own us.

      • D Parri

        There’s another term that I floated out there at the beginning of the ObamaDebacle and I feel that it is coming ever-nearer to reality.

        Taxpayer Revolt.

        • T Ko

          That’s what I have always said. Who is it that holds the ultimate power in a Republic? It is the Taxpayer!

          • Ted Crawford

            He who wields their power the more efficiently and effectively!

          • T Ko

            Well put!

  • Rarin Togo

    Bernie: Your headline made my whole, day, week, month or year; take your pick!
    However, say what you mean & mean what you say. The “millions and millions and millions of taxpayer funding,” it will take to “bailout” Obamacare; is called extortion, not a bailout.” We can thank the dumb vermin that reside in the “cesspool,” for that! How long will this charade go on?
    Your readers know that most of the press and congress, are not doing their jobs. It’s time to start calling an ace an ace; and a spade a spade. And while we’re on the subject, the employer mandate will never kick in 2014. It will be delayed.
    Yes, it is true, Santa finally gave me a crystal ball for Christmas!

  • Rustyrambler

    Bernie, I can’t think of anything that could be worse than three more years of Obama Karma; except maybe the Billary Coronation in 2016!

    • Ted

      Nice selctive memory. You forgot 8 yrs of Bush.

      • Rustyrambler

        Never!George Bush is a man of his word, and, one of the best Presidents in my life time. He’s not a man of deliberate falsehoods!!
        I’m 6’2, you would have to stand on my shoulders just kiss
        Bushs’ butt!!!

        • Ted

          One of the best presidents of your lifetime? So, based on that statement you’d have to be bout 6 years old. And best Prez compared to whom? It’s clear that as great historians go, you’re NOT one of them. And W will be a Bottom 5 president if he’s lucky. Right now Warren Harding is thanking W for his incompetence starting with 9/11, Iraq, Katrina, the housing bubble of 2007, the economic collapse of 2008 and the DOJ debacle just to name a few of his gaffes. Now, I realize you’ll need to look all of these things up because you’re only just now learning about them but so be it. And you could kiss W’s ass and his ring from the ground where your ideology needs to be.

          • T Ko

            Yes, Spanky, if you hadn’t had your head up Obama’s ass for so long maybe you might have a clearer picture of the world and what’s going on.

            What’s that? Yeah you’re right…you can only see one thing, Merde Man! Does that Obama merde taste better or worse to you?

          • David Gorton

            Actually, I’m 70. And if Bush, Fox News, and all those that support our war fighters were around when we came back from Vietnam we would not have been spit-on and made to be social outcast. LBJ walked away. It’s better now because were accepted, and proud of the fact we served our country by putting it on the line. GIs’ coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan would have received the same treatment we did, if not for FOX etc.; I never heard any one of them say a bad word about “W” because he did’nt walk away. He does not have a Nobel Peace Prize, [tell me when to stop laughing], like your guy! And Bush did some things ! did not agree with,or like. But he’s the got balls to keep his word. I wish I could say the same for Obama. He loves America, but he wants to transform it. For some reason I’m not feeling the love, or the tingle. Period.

          • Sheila Warner

            Thanks for your service to our country.

          • J. O. Polanco

            The Rise of Christianity, by E. W. Barnes states: “A careful review of all the information available goes to show that, until the time of Marcus Aurelius [121-180 C. E], no Christian became a soldier, and no soldier, after becoming a Christian, remained in military service.”

            Our World Through the Ages, by N. Platt and M. J. Drummond states: “The behavior of the Christians was very different from that of the Romans. . . . Since Christ had preached peace, they refused to become soldiers.”

            Finally, the famous historian Edward Gibbon wrote in The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire: “While they [the Christians] inculcated the maxims of passive obedience, they refused to take any active part in the civil administration or the military defence of the empire. . . . It was impossible that the Christians, without renouncing a more sacred duty, could assume the character of soldiers, of magistrates, or of princes.”

            Didn’t you tell me earlier you were a Christian?

          • Sheila Warner

            The early Christians stayed out of the military. So? What’s your point, that people in the military can’t be Christians? There’s nothing in the Bible that outright prohibits military service.

            My husband, father, niece, aunt, brother and now his son, all served/are serving in the military. I assure you that all of them are Christians. My father, aunt, niece and my brother served during wartime. I’m proud of and grateful for their service to America.

            One’s personal religious belief, or lack thereof, does not diminish the service of any military personnel.

          • J. O. Polanco

            Then why did the very first Christians absolutely refuse to murder their fellowman in wars?

          • Sheila Warner

            You already posted the quotes that support your point of view. I gave mine. This discussion has run its course, and we will agree to disagree.

          • J. Polanco

            I don’t follow. What quotes did you share with me? Can you perhaps link me to them?

          • Sheila Warner

            It’s hard to find the beginning of this thread. My main struggle is with the vying views of the original Greek found in the NT. If you visit my disqus page and scroll through, you’ll find some links there. I delete my emails with the comments and so I don’t have my links handy. I also used them in replying to people other than you. But, having read what you wrote just before your question to me, I believe you will reject what others are saying about the Greek. It’s really not a big deal to me. The point is that I understand why you believe the way you do. I have no problem with that. I merely disagree with what you stated.

          • J. Polanco

            You have no problem with the possibility that you might be, in fact, Antichrist? How come?

          • Sheila Warner

            I do not accept your premise.

          • J. Polanco

            On what basis?

          • Sheila Warner

            Your premise: “…you might be, in fact, Antichrist?”

            I reject that premise. That’s not hard to understand. I won’t dignify your smear with an answer.

          • J. Polanco

            Have you never read?

            “So let the one who thinks he is standing beware that he does not fall.” -1 Corinthians 10:12

            “Happy is the man who is always on guard,

            But whoever hardens his heart will fall into calamity.” -Proverbs 28:14

            Do you also not recall what happened with the Apostle Peter shortly before Christ was to be murdered?

            “Then he said to him: “Lord, I am ready to go with you both to prison and to death.” But he said: “I tell you, Peter, a rooster will not crow today until you have denied knowing me three times.”” -Luke 22:33,34

            He, like you, was very sure of himself, too sure of himself much to his bitter chagrin.

            “Now these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for a warning to us.” -1 Corinthians 10:11

            After all, ” The shrewd one sees the danger and conceals himself,

            But the inexperienced keep right on going and suffer the consequences.” -Proverbs 22:3

            Will you choose to be shrewd or, instead, choose gratuitously to feel smeared?

          • Sheila Warner

            I’m done with this discussion.

          • J. Polanco

            Fist time I’ve ever seen a “Christian” cut and run from the Bible …

          • Integrity

            Being a bit judgmental, aren’t we? If you love your freedom, thank a veteran. Happy New Years and many thanks to our veterans, especially the Vietnam veterans! QED

          • J. Polanco

            How about freedom from terrorism. Can I have that?

          • Integrity

            I wish we all could. I am wondering if we will ever have peace. QED

          • Sheila Warner

            You seem to have a lot of fear. This isn’t meant to be at all sarcastic, but doesn’t the Bible tell you that you are in God’s hands and he will take care of you? My Bible does that for me. I don’t lose sleep over possible terrorist attacks.

            God loves me, he loves you, and he knows what he’s doing. Try to hold on to that.

          • J. Polanco

            How does me wanting peace in the world for all evince that I “have a lot of fear”?

            Is that why you see nothing wrong with soldiers murdering helpless children, women and men? Because it doesn’t matter?

          • Sheila Warner

            “How about freedom from terrorism. Can I have that?” That’s your quote. You have consistently stated that you believe that if the government kills one “innocent” with a drone, it is a crime. You don’t feel free from the threat of terrorism, is how I interpret what you’ve said, including the premise that soldiers are “murdering” the helpless. Do you fear the military? If not, then I apologize.

          • J. Polanco

            If I find myself walking down a dangerous street with my loved ones in the middle of the night is it abnormal or inhuman to feel fear?

            Likewise, is it abnormal or inhuman to feel concern when the US continually enrages and dares its psychopathic enemies to launch secret terrorists attacks – like 9/11 – by murdering their helpless families and countrymen?

          • Sheila Warner

            Most def abnormal.

          • J. Polanco

            Prove it.

          • Sheila Warner

            Prove it isn’t.

          • Lc Goodfellow

            “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.
            “by:Marcus Tullius Cicero(106-43 B.C.)

            Roman Statesman, Philosopher and OratorSource:Attributed. 58 BC, Speech in the Roman Senate

          • J. Polanco

            In God’s sight , Satan’s entire world is bloodguilty . Its very own political bodies , depicted in the Holy Bible as violent beasts , have murdered incalculable millions , among them a great number of Jehovah’s godly ones . ( Daniel 8 :3 , 4 , 20-22 ; Revelation 13 :1 , 2 , 7 , 8 ) Arm in arm with all these beastlike authorities , commercial enterprises coupled with scientific research have toiled tirelessly to invent some of the most heinous weaponry you can imagine while generating monstrous revenues all along the way . How true that “the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one” !—1 John 5 :19 .

            Since Jesus’ disciples are “no part of the world” and will always be firmly neutral when it comes to its national politics together with its wars , they avert individual as well as community bloodguilt – culpability suffered by the shedding of innocent blood . ( John 15 :19 ; 17 :16 ) In imitation of Christ , they never react violently when ever others persecute them ( http://bit.ly/r79nVa ) . Instead , they express love for their foes , even praying on their behalf .—Matthew 5 :44 ; Romans 12 :17-21 .

          • Lc Goodfellow

            Thank You

            “For those who fight for it, freedom has a distinct flavor the protected shall never know.”~ Author Unknown…

          • J. Polanco

            And thank you for making the world that much more lethal for me and my loved ones by murdering the helpless families of your fancied enemies …

          • David Gorton

            Thank you, also, Sheila. My kid brother did two tours w/the Marines. What’s ironic is Vietnam would rather have trade agreements, and military alliance with the U.S. than with China or Russia, who they do not trust, at all. I live 600 hundred miles from VN, have friends that go back there often, some even move there to live. War is a cruel joke. But for America, when it’s over, right or wrong, win or lose, we will be their friend and help them rebuild. No country in the history of the world has ever treated former enemies as we have. God bless America, and you and yours!

          • Sheila Warner

            My aunt served in the Navy as a nurse during WW II. My father is a Marine and served during Korea. My brother served in Iraq in the first gulf war, and my niece served in Afghanistan as a reservist. My brother’s son is now in the Army, getting his training prior to being deployed to Afghanistan. Someone on this site felt the need to question my Christianity because I thanked you for your own service. I noticed he was too much of a coward to question your beliefs!

          • David Gorton

            Your family service history warms my heart, the part about your father tickled me;”My father is a Marine…”! Those guys never get discharged, they just get a piece of paper that says they are. My brother’s the same way. Please read 2 Sam.12: 9-10. We are a warrior people. Our Lord Jesus was born into the House of David! From the beginning of the Book of the Law, to the beginnings of the Gospel of Love, to today, Jews and Christians have been hated by adversaries that mask their ignorance and cowardice in the language of legalism, and/or, intellectual elitism. Lord Jesus says we have to forgive and pray for them; and we say, “how long, O Lord, how long; and He says, till I get tired. Two more references, and I’ll shut-up: 1 Cor. 2: 3-5; and please see: http://www.beenthinking.org, and look for Christ and Culture, posted by Mart De Haan. I got it off the RBC Ministries website. Love and warm regards.

          • Sheila Warner

            RBC ministries has always been central to my Dad. Thanks for the links, and thanks for your kind words. You are so right about Marines. My dad will say he is a Marine, not that he was a Marine. He has a great tattoo, too. I love our Marines, and I’m so very proud of my father.

            Give my regards to your brother with much gratitude for his own service. Our Vietnam Vets have a special place in my heart. We had a family friend with whom I corresponded for nearly a year, until he was wounded in battle and came home. (He was Army) I tear up when I think on those days. Happy New Year to you and yours!

          • Sheila Warner

            Just read the blog post to which you linked. Fresh air for a very discordant time. A reminder to me as to what it is I am joined. The law of love is the greatest liberty.

          • J. Polanco

            The ancient Israelites were commanded by God when they executed his judgments against the ungodly. More often than not, he himself would aid them in this sacred duty. Given the comparison you’re making, are you suggesting the US war in Vietnam was the same?

          • Integrity

            I can’t believe that anyone would actually vote this comment down. How sad. QED

          • Sheila Warner

            It’s not my comment. It’s me. Several here are very condemning. Depending on what forum I visit, I have been referred to as a libtard, a GOP shill, a deviant, a civil Christian, a patriot, and even the anti-Christ. It’s always entertaining. It’s what happens when you go out into public. There are those who listen, those who don’t, and those who just like to stir the proverbial pot.

        • T Ko

          RR, please grant more respect to our man Bush than that picture. Zed ain’t worthy to sniff his butt…much less kiss it!

    • D Parri

      At least there’s hope of a Lame OLama to finish.

      • Rustyrambler

        We sill need to beware. A wounded animal is a very dangerous animal. Because Republican governors out number Democratic governors, the next front may well be trying to marginalize,and obfuscate their importance in states rights issues; wages, funding for infrastructure, education, standard of living, mobility. Need I go on? We have always been a nation in motion. Not doing well where you are? Move! As a free people we have always had the courage to start over. Washington wants us locked-in, indentured servants, if you will, in gratitude for all the wonderful things Democrats/ Washington has done for us!
        Stay strong! Watch out for those “lame” politicians!!

        • T Ko

          I agree with both you and DP. Although the main bite of the CEO may be somewhat nullified by a GOP controlled Congress, there are many other fronts to maintain a vigil over.

          • David Gorton

            Absolutely! Vigilance is the cost of freedom. That said, Progressive are still “masters of distraction”, setting up decoys to promote their version of fairness, equality, do the right thing, everyone for rights, rights for everyone.

          • Sheila Warner

            What they want by equality is to lower the standard of living for everyone until we are all poor.

          • T Ko

            In doing that they intend to gain control, which is the ultimate goal. Bigger government, greater individual dependence, fewer individual freedoms, and increased government control of the citizenry.

            All of these things must first be predicated upon a lie–‘Big Brother is here to help’.

          • David Gorton

            Poor, needy, and immobile,[because it's the same wherever you go], and dependent on Washington for more hand-outs, as opposed to a hand-up.

          • T Ko

            Distraction, diversion, and the mastery of ‘straw-man’ argument tactics. The best defense is in being prepared for these very effective ploys.

            The truth, as manifested in reality, is the only effective counter-move. The personal pain that comes with reality helps drive home the truth.

          • David Gorton

            T Ko, speaking of being distracted, I just saw your somewhat metaphysical comment and am not quite sure how to reply. Sometimes the truth gets lost in reality. Two films come to mind; Rashomon, [Outrage], the 1950 Japanese classic; and, speaking to the American experience, Cinderella Man,[2005], Giamatti talking about the big fight says, “. . . . ya’ want it so bad, ya’ don’t even know if it’s real”! I don’t want anyone defining my reality for me; especially politicos, because they always say, don’t take it personal. We’re just doing this because it’s fair for everyone. That would be Mission: Impossible; a movie w/absolutely no basis in reality!!

          • T Ko

            I think that there is a nexus within our comments that supports each other’s statements.

            I do not want someone else to tell me that I should “trust”, but don’t bother to verify. Besides, even if they do it’s not gonna’ happen.

            The American electorate wanted something free, or at least appearing as a handout, and they chose to accept a lie. Now they will experience the pain of believing a lie for a personally greedy purpose.

            I include those that voted for Obama 1 & 2…not those who saw through his enchanting tales of sugarplum fairies and free government handouts.

          • Sheila Warner

            It’s a complete breakdown of critical thinking skills that we are seeing. And the results of that have brought us to this place.

          • T Ko

            When the ‘nanny state’ feeds us, clothes us, tells us what we should want and how we should act, and defines our morals and ethics for us, then this will happen.

            I am absolutely in favor of us helping our brothers and sisters, but the critical thinking should come first–not after we help.

            Providing 99 weeks of unemployment benefits beyond the normal 1/2 year is not conducive to becoming self-sufficient.

            Critical thinking is sorely needed…now.

  • steelerdan

    Guess in your twisted thinking, you are going to blame George W. for the 7 trillion
    in increased debt or that GWB forced Obama to lie to the American people, including even you and Legal Beagle. Can’t wait to hear what you two have to say this time next year.

    • Ted

      Nah, W’s not on the hook for the $7 trilion, only $5.07 of it.

      • T Ko

        Spanky, you really need to take a look at that book on ‘rithmetiks, cuz y’ors is bad, bad, bad!

        • Ted

          Sparky, try and dispute the facts. And I DO admit my facts and statistics ARE bad. Bad for those deniers like yourself whose wishful thinking trumps their objective and critical thought. I liked your side so much better when facts had meaning. Not when your side just pulls them out of their derriere as you’re about to do.

          • T Ko

            Ok, Spanky, each pres is gauged by the debt levels when they came in and when they left. They all inherit the previous admin’s history. It’s a fact. Get over it.

            Obama has already increased the debt levels twice the amount of Bush…and he ain’t through yet!

            So, man up and face the facts that Bush’s increases totaled $4.3T and Obama, so far, has totaled $7.3T–and climbing.

            Now, if you don’t accept the truth, then I can’t debate it with you, Spanko.

          • Ted

            You overly simplistic cabeza du merde! I already “enlightened” you about the $5.07 trillion W has added to the national debt SINCE he’s left office. Now, I realize anything you don’t want to believe you and many other nutbags can’t handle the truth or the facts but oh well!

          • T Ko

            I new it was too much to ask for you to act like a man, there Spanky.

            Real men take what they asked to be elected to run as a government and do the best they can and do not blame their predecessors.

            You wouldn’t fall into that category, though.

          • Ted

            So, by disagreeing with you and my facts kicking your @$$ means I didn’t “man up”? Sure it does. And why is W off the hook for the disaster he left us? Merely because he’s a Repub and you can’t handle the truth? That ain’t good enough, Sparky. You lose again.

            And then you say a Prez should be judged by his national debt? Ok fine! Here’s something an imbecile like you didn’t know. Reagan quadrupled the debt while he in office and spent his first 4 yrs blaming Carter. He also raised taxes 11 times and gave amnesty to illegals.

          • T Ko

            I’d have to wait before I see you kick my ass (see? that’s how you spell it) before I could tell you Spanko. No where near it yet though. Sorry.

          • Ted

            No facts just tu quoque replies. You’ve got no game, you little punkass biotch. How predictable.

          • T Ko

            Once the idiot..always the idiot. Stanky, did you forget also that it was Reagan’s economic plan that brought us out of the disaster that yo’ boy, Carter took us too?

            Yeah, and in bringin’ us out it was imperative to point out to merde-heads like you that it was Carter’s policies that got us there, and it was a complete turnaround in economic philosophy–away from the pursuits of Carter–that could carry us out. And it did.

            So, you see, it was with the hope that your merdique views would be corrected in time, but you are truly a hopeless case. Go stick you head back in the merde.

  • UrbanCamper

    Is the adoring media abandoning their job of pumping up this despot?
    I see “news” outlets like MSNBC still clinging desperately to the bumper of the OCare truck as it hurtles towards the cliff. How much gravel will they eat before they let go? I doubt that the America mainstream media pimps and whores will all go over the cliff with Obama. Funny to watch them do the dance and act like they were not complicit in the lies.

  • SkyCitizen

    Bernie,

    Lately I get the feeling you are running your own Seti Project which doesn’t ask the question “is anybody out there” but rather are there any Journalists out there. I admit the numbers are discouraging but there is hope.

    After 5 years of the Pharaoh’s building crumbling monuments to himself and now pouting his way through a Hawaiian vacation while the rest of us freeze our butts off, I feel change is afoot. The American people have a collective sense about the presidency and this President is not immune to it. Like a parent who is embarrassed by a child’s behavior in public we are recoiled by untruthfulness, selfishness, arrogance and disengagement. All the puff pieces of journalism will not help him now, they would only serve as a discordant counterpoint. The Press, like the rest of us, don’t like to look stupid so this is why we are seeing it move away from idolatry. Like polite guests at dinner they will slowly eat their crow with style and wit so as to lessen the contrast when they turn vicious.

    • legal eagle

      Anything stopping you from visiting Hawaii or Southern California? Stop whining about the weather…

      • Integrity

        I hear North Korea is lovely this time of year. QED

      • Drew Page

        To some of us, it’s still a free country. If someone wants to complain about the weather, what’s it to you?

        • George Williams

          He’s a rabid Democrat. Given the opportunity to tell you how to think, they’ll take it, be it the weather, personnel hygiene, what to complain about, etc. Legal Beagle is no doubting writing an encyclopedia on what to think.

          • T Ko

            They are Obama-Zombies..the brain-dead supporters of anything that go into the night and attack all things anti-Obama.

      • T Ko

        Whah…whah…whah…! Or is that allowed?

        But to the point, it is the personal pain already visited upon a vast majority of Americans that is soon to begin spreading from coast-to-coast as if it were a wildfire.

        Loss of healthcare insurance protection for millions of Americans, as a result of the implementation of NObamaCare, will soon inflict its pain and financial ruin for untold millions of families while bringing the healthcare industry to the precipice of disaster, as well.

        Something worthy of crying over then…do you think?

        • legal eagle

          Your hyperbole is touching but you are howling at the moon….You’ll be howling, moaning and groaning when Hillary become POTUS….Must be tough being so pessimistic?

          • T Ko

            Yeah, and you’ll be turnin’ in your grave before you ever see that come to pass. But you are funny…Hoooowwwl!

          • Lc Goodfellow

            EagleTroll — you want to look for them, the new Bumper Stickers on the Obama clunkers
            ” Monica Lewinsky’s X-Boyfriend’s Wife for President 2016 “

          • legal eagle

            The bumper sticker should help Hillary get a lot more of the female vote…

          • Lc Goodfellow

            Come on back mid-nov so we can all laugh !

          • legal eagle

            You will have plenty of time to get worked up about Hillary….Hopefully you will come up with some more creative bumper stickers….LOL

  • Ted

    So, this poll says Republicans have a higher approval rating than Obama to fix the economy? Huh?! You mean the party that got us into the worst economy and housing bubble since the Great Depression is somehow now the answer?

    Here are the facts: The Dow and S and P are at record highs vs a low of 6,000 under W, the housing market and auto industries are thriving, jobs are averaging 190,000 per month vs a 750k loss inherited from W the last month of 2008, the GDP lost -9% during W’s last quarter and has been averaging 2% growth which is 1% away from a healthy economy. Anyone care to dispute the facts, have at it.

    Also, stop the BS that the IRS auditing of groups from both sides that had no business claiming they were charities was a “scandal”. The reason it took twice as long to approve the con groups is that there were twice as many of them. The fact is that none of these bogus groups on both sides should’ve been approved. And the IRS supervisor in charge of the IRS screening dept in Cincinnati was a self identified “conservative Republican” who testified in front of that partisan idiot Darrell Issa and his committee that there was no discrimination. If Issa had an ounce of integrity he’d subpoena the Repubs like Ted Cru for shutting down the Government and wasting $24 billion. Facts are pesky things which you don’t get to change because you don’t like them despite ad
    populem efforts to do so.

    • David Hunter

      Ted,

      Your “facts” are questionable. First, the job losses you mention during the final days of President Bush’s administration are only if you average the last few months. The yearly average for 2008 was a loss of 300K. This is bad, but the average monthly loss during President Obama’s entire first year was 422K. So, Bush=bad, Obama=worse.

      Also, where do you get your growth numbers? The data I found says GDP in the last quarter of 2008 dropped by 3.3% (not 9%). But, during the first four quarters of Obama’s first term, GDP dropped 4.5%, 5.0%, 3.7%, and 0.5%.

      If you look at the presidency of Bush, you see that the economy had already started shrinking when bush took office. Three months during Clinton’s final year (Jun-00, Oct-00, and Jan-01), saw losses in jobs. You didn’t hear Bush constantly blaming Clinton during his first year.

      I guess the final point I’ll make is that for most of Bush’s presidency, the economy was doing pretty well. The average job creation during the middle four years was 140K and the average quarterly growth during that same period was 2.94%. The first two years saw 9/11, and it’s expected the economy took a hit. However, the final two years saw Nancy Pelosi elevated to Speaker. During those last two years (2007 & 2008), average yearly growth was only 1.9% and -0.33%. Average monthly job creation for those same 2 years a 92K gain in 2007 and a 300K loss in 2008. The economy didn’t really start to grow again until 2011, which is when the GOP took the house. I guess this proves that Pelosi qualifies as a natural disaster.

      With regards to the IRS Scandal: http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/154743-treasury-ig-liberal-groups-werent-targeted-by-irs-like-tea

      • legal eagle

        Do you really think the economy was supposed to restart on January 21, 2009? Why don’t you Google the term “economic cycle” before you make nonsensical comments.

        • Integrity

          Maybe you should Google the term “self unaware” and “common sense” before you make nonsensical comments. QED

        • Drew Page

          Why don’t you take a flying leap, say to MoveOn.org, where your comments will be more popular and accepted?

          • legal eagle

            You seem a little hostile….Did Santa forget to visit you this year or are you off your meds again?

      • Ted

        Nice job of spin doctoring. Unfortunately for your argument Obama didn’t inherit W’s 300k job loss “average” for 2008 did he? He inherited the 750-800k actual monthly decreases. Just as he inherited an 8.9% GDP decline which followed a 3.9% decline the last two qtrs of 2008. Google it and see? So the GDP was headed off a cliff when W handed it to Obama. Taking W’s high water marks or his previous averages are bogus and meaningless but common on the right in a desperate and wishful thinking effort to marginalize the disastrous shape both jobs and the GDP were.

        And just how quickly did you think a president can turn around a jobs loss of 750k? A month or two? He’s only the president not a magician. Go to the BLS site and watch how quickly Obama was able to decrease those terrrible W numbers and turn them positive? Hint: You won’t like what you see because it destroys your argument. Also, you attempt to blame the Dems for what happened on W’s watch when he had veto power and used it less than any president in recent memory. I.E. He did nothing and was asleep at the wheel as Rome burned.

        And then you attempt to use 9/11 as an excuse. Ok, who failied to protect us on 9/11? Hint: Stops with a W.

        As for the faux IRS “scandal”, if you can dispute what the facts are about the Screening mgr and his testimony then please attempt to do so. But we both know you can’t. And if you read the testimony that Elijah Cummings released then you’ll really feel stupid.

        And then you try to hand credit for the turnaround to the GOP? Ok, exactly what laws did they inact to create this turnaround? And your GOP led House will go down as the single least productive Congress EVER. Even the Truman do nothing Congress passed nearly 1,800 bills. This Congress is on course to pass less than 100 although they did vote to repeal Obamacare nearly 50 times.

        • legal eagle

          Why are you citing facts when the RWNJ’s don’t care or know what the facts are? Most of the people on this site get their “facts” from Fox News or right wing radio…

          • Ted

            I’m an optimist and I figure wrongfully that since I find the facts compelling those on the right will too. Wrong! Shows you what I know?

          • Integrity

            I have several facts both of you have failed to respond to. Next dolt please. QED

          • Ted

            So bring it already.

          • Integrity

            Check and mate. QED

          • Lc Goodfellow

            If you’re hungry enough, roadkill will make for a king’s feast. Liberals were so hungry for someone like Obama, he seemed like so much more than he really was.
            The problem for Obama was that he always believed the most ludicrous version of Storybook Man.
            He once told a reporter, “You know, I actually believe my own [bovine excrement].” Now, isn’t that special?

          • Ted

            Wrong! We Progressives along with most Americans after 8 years of Republican rule were “hungry” for anyone not named Bush or who was a Republican. Did you really forget that so soon?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            I agree with Ted about this. Anyone with a “D” next to their name had a huge advantage going into the 2008 election. That can partially explain why some guy who previously hadn’t run as much as a lemonade stand was elected the leader of the free world.

            Of course, the slobbering love affair Bernie wrote a whole book about explained the rest of it.

          • D Parri

            Ok, conceding to a point, JD, but…with “Hussein” as a middle name…it would require a majority of Hussein-Insanes.

          • Ted

            Hey, I get it. Obama’s black (you’re scared), he’s got a Muslim sounding middlem name (Oooo! You’re an Islamphobe). You want desperately to believe he was born in Kenya (you’re a Birther). That about covers it doesn’t it?

          • D Parri

            Ted, I won’t usually bother to respond to your comments because they are not worth the time. But occasionally I
            will take the time to tell you what a real dumbass you are.

            You ask for proof? Your comment. Period.

          • T Ko

            Hey, Stanky, if you has something worthwhile to say he might respond to you. Otherwise, you can remain a d*ckhead. No, dumbas*…that isn’t duckhead.

          • Sheila Warner

            President Obama is no more black than he is white. He is biracial, not black or white. Playing the race card again, I see?

          • Ted

            Your side’s behavior makes it impossible not to. And I agree with that AP poll which found that 57% of the cons who were querried were racist. It also said 34% of libs were as well. Sounds about right.

          • Sheila Warner

            My side? You surely don’t know me at all.

          • Lc Goodfellow

            Never Forget :

            ObamaCare
            Fast&Furious
            Benghazi
            IRS
            Census
            RED lines
            Illinois Senate

            Time to break out the Flavor-Aid!
            ARE YOU KEEPING SCORE ? I have, this is what the record show’s.
            Congressional Control: for 62 years,- the I know best for you crowd.-

            U.S. House: 1951-2013, Rep. 9 times, Dem. 22 times. Two year terms

            U.S. Senate: 1951-2013, Rep. 10 times, Dem. 23 times. Six year terms

            Need help with the math?
            How did we ever get to where we are today?
            Count it over!

          • T Ko

            You see, Zed, Jed, Ded, Ned…oh heck!…Spanky, is a merde connoisseur, and he can truly appreciate a good thick slab of bovine merde. And he does, all the time.

          • T Ko

            Where the ‘facts’ are true!

        • Sheila Warner

          I think a successful Congress is one that passes few bills. We already have too much government in our lives.

          • D Parri

            More government = more control.

            What is the goal of this admin? More control. Period.

          • Ted

            Well then congrats! You just made refusing to do your job and govern a virtue.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            lol. How very liberal of you to categorize the tempering of the number of new laws as a refusal to do one’s job.

          • Sheila Warner

            Merely passing bills for bills sake is not my idea of effective governing. Bills which intrude on Americans, such as AHA, are better left on the floor. Effective governing means passing legislation that curbs the government, not expands it. Since both parties only seek to expand government reach, yes, they ought to not pass any new bills of that type. That would be doing their jobs–looking out for Americans’ civil liberties.

        • David W. Hunter

          Again, where did you get your data on GDP. From what I’ve been able to find, there has never been a 8.9% quarterly drop in GDP. As far as 9/11: saying W didn’t protect us is beyond the scope of this argument, so I won’t get into it here. However, do you really think any president would stop the economy from taking a hit after an event like 9/11? Also, you didn’t mention why, if Bush’s policies were so bad, why did the economy do just fine for the middle four years of his presidency?

          Yes, this congress sucks, but why do liberals always blame the GOP? The House always passed their yearly budgets, but the Senate, led by Reid, went nearly 4 years without passing one. This is just one example.

      • T Ko

        Sorry, David, but these are the types of facts (i.e., honest and true) that the Obama-Zombies simply cannot deal with.

        You would do just as well with them to say “Here I am and I don’t support Obama”, paint a target on yourself, and let them cast their ‘facts’ at you.

        However, for the well-informed it is a different matter, and I agree with your assessment regarding the changes in power with the commensurate swings in economic trend. It is quite obvious that the Congress that does the worst for the economy and the nation is always the Democratic controlled Congress.

        The Obama-Zombies will come after you for saying that, though!

    • Drew Page

      Ted – You may want to start singing “Happy Days Are Here Again”. Revel in the fact that those who have exhausted their unemployment benefits are no longer considered unemployed. Cheer the fact that 75% of all the ‘new jobs’ created are part-time, not full-time. Decry all the “phony scandals” like Fast & Furious, IRS targeting, NSA spying and the Benghazi massacre. Tell all the new college grads about how well the DOW is doing. They can think about how to invest all the money they are not making, while they live at home with mom and dad. Tell the folks who just got cancellation notices from their insurance companies not to worry because much better and cheaper plans are available on the website. Tell Israel how they can count on the U.S. as we show our strength and determination in Syria, Egypt and Iran. Let’s bask in the security of knowing that every phone call, e-mail and Face Book posting we make is being recorded, saved and stored in government warehouses so that we won’t have to worry anymore about terrorism.
      If anything is to be condemned, let it be the “government shutdown”. Why should a president be forced to change a “law of the land” by Republicans when he has demonstrated that he is perfectly capable of unilaterally changing that law more than a dozen times to suit his political purposes, without having to go through the mess of dealing with Congress?

      • Ted

        Wow, Chicken Little maybe you should slash your wrists? Why suffer?

        • Sheila Warner

          “Why should a president be forced to change a ‘law of the land’ by Republicans when he has demonstrated that he is perfectly capable of unilaterally changing that law more than a dozen times to suit his political purposes, without having to go through the mess of dealing with Congress?”

          Just answer that one. Substantively. You can’t blame the end run around Congress on W.

          • Ted

            So Sheila, you think despite Obama refusing to relitigate the 2012 election and be held hostage over the debt ceiling negotiations (which never used to be negotiated)and let the Repubs repeal or defund (not change as you allege) his ACA that he was “forced” by them to change it? Huh? And just who said in his transparent effort to make it work better that he was “forced” by anyone? If you’ve actually got a case to make then pls make it.

          • T Ko

            Who needs to make a case merdique-Ted?

            The ACA– remember, it used to be called Obamacare until it started failing–is the “law of the land”, and it can’t be changed. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

            Since he has the power to unilaterally change the Constitution, then there is no need to litigate, be re-elected, or even ask the American people.

            He will do just whatever he damned well pleases. Period!

          • Sheila Warner

            “…you think despite Obama refusing to relitigate the 2012 election and be held hostage…”

            I reject your premise, which is really only a string of President Obama’s talking points.

          • Ted

            Of course you reject my premise. Were I on the losing side of your argument I would too. Unfortunately for you and based on the royal ass kicking your side got in the polls, the American people agree with my view. And irony is that had Obama been Reagan standing up to the Dems rather than him standing up to your side you’d naming another aircraft carrier after him. When a Dem stood up to your side you couldn’t handle not getting your way once again. I think we’re done here.

          • Sheila Warner

            You do understand that repeating someone else’s talking points nearly verbatim does not a premise make, right? You’re so right, we are done with this part of the thread. Oh, and Reagan actually reached across the aisle and worked with the Dems. And how do you know my side got its ass kicked when you don’t know anything about my politics?

          • T Ko

            Oh, but he can. He is really good Sheila…he can put almost any words together and have it come to say whatever he wants it to. He’s really good…at merde!

        • T Ko

          Slash wrists? Are you stupid? Oh yeah, you are.

          Anyway, I want to be around and see just how far in the ground he’s gonna’ be buried by his own actions.

          It should be hilarious to watch! LOL

          • Ted

            Interesting that you’ve never been fettered by such things as the truth. In fact, the next substantive, logical, fact based point you make will be your first. I’m sure your reply will further enhance the sentiment of my first two sentences. Tick tock.

          • T Ko

            My, my, you are such an original composer of merde. But then, you spend long hours in big piles of it every day, don’t you, Spanko?

          • Ted

            As if on cue cabeza de Richard makes his 70 IQ arrival.

          • T Ko

            Ted! I told you that no one wants to hear about you and Richard givin’ each other head…now stop it!

    • http://ALonelyConservtive.com/ Jim O’Sullivan

      The DOW is not an accepted measure of the economy…today it may be a measure of Bernanke’s ‘quantitative easing’. You may want to look at employment, the labor participation rate (90,000,000 able bodied Americans are not in the work force), average work week, avg. earnings/hr., GDP, deficit, debt, growth in housing market or no. of foreclosures to name a few. No credible economist or even a pundit would point to the stock market which has a history of often running counter to the economic reality.

      • Ted

        Might wanna reread my post as it lists about 8 economic items besides the Dow and S and P that are positive for Obama vs what he inherited. All this was accomplished despite McConnell and Boehner and their 420 filibusters/obstruction. Your side cracks me as they claim the ecomony is terrible but want to take credit via their obstrucition for the turnaround.

        • T Ko

          Might not wanna’ read your post, Spanky. All Obama-Zombies say the same things

      • T Ko

        You see, Fred, Zed, Jed, aw heck…Spanky, doesn’t deal in complicated terms like “GDP”, mainly because it has too many letters…and that’s very corn-fusing for him.

        So, he chooses to copy and paste gibberish from whatever site he’s looking at. Don’t be surprised if you see a recipe show up in his comments.

  • Arty Cohn

    The polls referred to show that 41% of Americans are idiots.

    Who are the people that Gloria Borger is referring to when she comments: “People don’t think he’s as competent as they used to think. They don’t think he’s as trustworthy as they used to think.” I never thought he had ever shown himself to be competent or trustworthy.
    How about the Benghazi lies, and the soon be uncovered, the Iranian talks failure.

    • Ted

      According to Romney 47% of them are idiots. Oddly, 47% voted for him proving of course that God has a sense of humor.

      • Arty Cohn

        TED
        YOU SHOULD NEVER TY TO TEACH MATHEMATICS OR LOGIC

      • Arty Cohn

        Ted
        You should never try to teach mathematics or logic

        • Ted

          Arty, I’d explain it to you if I thought you’d get it.

  • garbo77

    Right On!

  • firststater

    yup, the ox is in the ditch

  • Acu-Vue

    Obamacare is Custer’s last stand. If it goes south, Obama is done. He will do everything in his power not to let this happen. The sad part is we the people will probably never find out the real truth behind the number of sign-ups, the real cost to us taxpayers, the backdoor deals cut with the insurance companies and all his other cronies. We can only hope what started out as the Affordable Care Act, then was transformed into Obamacare, ends up being the Nobody Cares Act. — So instead of pondering whether to buy his Gold, Silver or Bronze Plan…..I suggest you just simply buy gold or silver bullion! —- Lastly, do you ever get the feeling the world is one giant football game and our quarterback is really playing for the other team!!!

    • legal eagle

      “But Gold or Silver bullion? Why? So I should lose money while the stock market is booming? Great logic …

    • brickman

      I take it you listened to Glenn, Rush and Sean and got scared into buying gold. Now that you’ve watched it plummet you’re trying to restart the panic. Do you know Allen Stanford?

      • Acu-Vue

        No, Don’t jump to conclusions. I have been buying gold since it was $300 an ounce and silver since it was $4.00 an ounce, long before Glenn, Rush, and Sean got on the bandwagon. You may not be aware that this debt crisis started with Bush (The Elder) and has been getting worse with each passing idiot we’ve had at the helm since. Did you ever hear of Charles (Carlo) Ponzi? The Stock Market is the biggest Ponzi scheme in the history of mankind. It will hit 10,000 before it touches 20,000 and I will keep your name on file to remind you of today’s conversation in case you forget..

        • Lc Goodfellow

          Congressional Control: for 62 years
          U.S. House: 1951-2013, Rep. 9 times, Dem. 22 times. Two year terms
          U.S. Senate: 1951-2013, Rep. 10 times, Dem. 23 times. Six year terms
          Need help with the math?
          How did we ever get to where we are today?

          Count it over!

  • Kathie Ampela

    “ObamaCare is still out there, looming over the helpless innocents like a stalking monster in a bad science fiction movie” – Why apologize, Bernie, you got it right ;-)

    If this thing is ever fully implemented not only will the democrats be banished to Antarctica for 40 years, filed under ‘WTF were WE thinking…NEVER again’, there will be anarchy in the streets. Don’t take my word for it, it’s baked in the cake:
    http://www.coachisright.com/special-reports/50-dangers-from-obamacare/

    The coming civil war in the democratic party fostered by Obama will leave Hillary the loser and the mainstream media wondering which side to choose. I have the popcorn ready.

    Have a Happy New Year…it’ll be the best one we’ve had in a long time!

  • KAG505

    barry could care less about what people think about him or his policies. He was asked about his low approval ratings and answered “If I cared about popularity polling, I would never have gotten into politics in the first place.” He is a loose cannon in the whitehouse and no one in Washington D.C. politics seems to have any interest in stopping him.

    • Lc Goodfellow

      The President of the United States is clearly out of his comfort zone insofar as having no leadership skills or experience, no administrative experience, no governing experience, and no international experience, and, therefore, makes the valid argument that President Barack Obama is ill-equipped and incapable of assuming the tasks of being Commander-in-Chief of the US military and leader of the most important free nation in the world.

      • George Williams

        Having been exposed for the fraud that he is, resignation would be in order but for the fact that his stand-in, Joe “Bozo the Clown” Biden is no better.

        • Susan Daniels

          He would be better because he is not a Muslim traveler.

          • D Parri

            So true.

        • Sheila Warner

          I must admit half the reason I pray for the President’s safety is because of Uncle Joe.

      • brickman

        Bin laden and Khadaffi agree.

      • Drew Page

        Add to your list:
        * no credibility;
        * honesty;
        * honor; or
        * integrity

        • D Parri

          Both you guys are hittin’ the issues, square on.

  • John

    It wasn’t that long ago that the republicans tried to impeach a president about an affair and the follow up lies. I don’t know why we can’t find one republican patriot willing to take a stand for the Republic and the constitution. It is shameful that we have no Patriots left just handout seeking politicians.

    • Drew Page

      Probably because they all have something in their past that they don’t want revealed. In Obama’s case impeachment at this time would be impossible. First, the Democrats control the senate and would never vote to convict. Second, any attempt to impeach Obama in the House would only raise more cries of ‘racism’ and provide the distraction that Obama and the Democrats so desperately want, from the nightmare of Obama Care. The Democrats would love nothing more than an attempt by Republicans to impeach Obama. Let’s not be stupid enough to do them that favor.

      • Ted

        Your side’s never let stupidity stop them over the last 5 yrs, so why stop now? Bobby Jindal called it when he said, “we need to stop being the stupid party”! Yeah, dream on!

      • Sheila Warner

        This is the exact reasoning I shared with my husband a few nights ago. Trying to impeach this President would be worse than the government shut down debacle.

        • D Parri

          Some would look at the racial outrage as being akin to an ethnic cleansing disaster that has taken place way too many times.

    • Ted

      You say you can’t find one Republican patriot? Me neither because they don’t exist. When they try to actually govern pls get back to me.

      • brickman

        There are tons of Republican Patriots. John McCain is one. Mitt Romney is another. Just because we disagree with them doesn’t diminish their love for this country. Shame on you. You’re starting to talk like the fringe.

        • Sheila Warner

          Starting?

        • Ted

          You can make the case that McCain’s a patriot by his war record but not so much by his voting record. But he’s as close as any Repub. Politicians on both sides are little more than cash whores trying stay in office first and foremost.

          • T Ko

            Now, Ted, I don’t know if the world is fixin’ to come to an end, but you finally said something that I actually agree with you on.

            Politicians on both sides are cash whores, budget whores, or whatever term fits that description. That one definitely does.

          • Ted

            Yikes, scary!

  • rbblum

    If pursuing due diligence or education does not sink Obama’s ratings further then one’s direct encounter with ObamaCare will. Otherwise, still awaiting the final chapters to be written about Fast & Furious, Border Security, the NSA scandal, the IRS scandal, US press loss of freedom, Benghazi and crony capitalism.

    • floridahank

      Unfortunately I have little hope of things changing for the better in future years. Look at our Public Education system — the teachers, the curriculum. the poor levels of education of our youngsters, their indoctrination of expectation, lack of challenge. ignorance of early American history — etc. We will have masses of illiterate, unintelligent people vying for important positions of leadership, law -making, etc.
      Things look bleak unless we have a massive change in GOP leaders and positive projects for our nation. We must spend less, save more, use our $$$ more effectively — not sure it’s in the GOP’s blood.

      • wally12

        I agree that the future looks bleak. The problem is not just a republican issue. It involves a much larger segment of the society. Take education as an example. The US keeps spending tons of money more per student than other countries and yet the quality of education doesn’t improve. That should tell us something. What it tells me is that government needs to get out of the education business and leave it up to parents, local and state government. Next, the public must insist that teachers teach and not push the liberal agenda. Books that push the climate change agenda must be stopped and replaced with basic science where the fundamentals are taught rather than the liberal agenda. This also applies to teaching actual history rather than the liberal or socialist view. Next, the media needs to stop reporting with a bias and to report both the liberal, conservative and the libertarian side of the question. Last, the government must get out of the picking of winners and losers in the business and industrial sectors. I am all for no subsidies for anyone unless it has a definite benefit for the US economy.

        • Drew Page

          Perhaps we will have an enlightened government one day that puts education back where it belongs, under the control of the individual states. It is abundantly clear that the U.S. Department of Education is a massive waste of taxpayer money. Of the tens of thousands of employees of the Dept. of Education, not a single one of them is involved in classroom teaching of children.
          The Dept. of Education does a lot of talking about schools and teachers “being held accountable”. Yet who is it that holds the Dept. of Education accountable? What do the taxpayers get for the billions of dollars they spend on officing, paying and providing benefits and pensions to these bureaucrats? What is the return on that taxpayer investment? By all accounts, the kids are less educated today than they were 30, 40 even 50 years ago. Teachers universally hate government programs like “No Child Left Behind” and “Common Core”.
          I see no value to the taxpayers being provided by the U.S. Department of Education, yet they would have us believe that education of children without them would be impossible. I contend it would be better without them.

          • wally12

            I agree completely. Get the government out of as many areas of our lives as possible. Get control back to the lowest local level meaning village city county and last state. The federal government should be out of all except defense and maybe space.

  • brickman

    Merry Christmas to all!

  • pat brady

    This is like a big old conservative circle jerk here.

    • Lc Goodfellow

      And you have you mouth open, again

      • pat brady

        Wake up brother, you’re having one of those freaky dreams again. Looks like you’re stuck to the sheets again

        ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐

    • George Williams

      Perhaps you’d feel more comfortable in one of your own, the leftist NYT, Huffpo, where you can participate in those giving affirmation to their belief that Obama made an innocent faux pas when he said “If you like your health insurance policy, you can keep it, PERIOD!. If you like your doctor, you can keep him. No one’s talking about that.” and when he said that “The average family will save over $2,500 on premiums.” Here’s another topic for your Obama sycophant’s society, Obama’s contention that the Benghazi attack was due to a video. Or how about another “phony scandal”, the IRS hold up of conservative non-profit status reviews. Enlighten me, are they still pushing the lie that the issue was with only a local Detroit IRS office? Tell us this, if “Fast and Furious” is a phony scandal, then why are most of the documents provided by the most corrupt AJ in history redacted. That’s blacked out with ink for you lefties not familiar with big words. It’s funny that the Obama administration, the one claimed to be the most open in history, has been so reluctant to permit his administration from the oversight of Congress. Obama has duly earned the title “Liar in Chief”. Go away Pat, or hang around for more ridicule. It’s your choice.

      • pat brady

        I’m comfortable as one can be surrounded by ignorance like yours.

        You guys didn’t listen long enough to hear the part about IF your insurance meets the requirements. I know I heard it more than once. It’s ridiculous to have a law that says everyone has to have insurance but nothing to define what insurance is. So I could open an insurance company and charge $50 a year for coverage. Of course the coverage comes with a 10 million dollar deductible though. You don’t think that would happen or you never thought it through that far? I know your party frowns on thinking. Is honesty something you ALWAYS demanded from the president or just since 2008?

        Bring it on unCurious George!

        • stumgolf

          Pres. Obama never used the caveat “if your insurance meets the requirements.” Only when he was called on it two months ago, did he expressed if it met the requirements. It was always you can keep your insurance, period!

          • Integrity

            He is desperate to defend his failed ideology. So much so that he is either poorly attempting to rewrite history or is truly ignorant. Either scenario is sad, especially when he challenges others to bring it on. QED

        • Integrity

          Just curious. How often was “IF your insurance meets the requirements” mentioned PRIOR to the passage of ACA? And yes, I have always demanded honesty from the president, even before 2008. I have just learned not to expect if from the current one. QED

          • legal eagle

            Guess you only “demand honesty” from Democratic Presidents as opposed to straight shooters like Bush and Reagan?

          • Integrity

            He made a false statement. I easily refuted it. I could make the same argument towards you. Guess you only “demand honesty” from Republican Presidents as opposed to straight shooters like Obama and Clinton? Both statements proved nothing. QED

          • legal eagle

            So you don’t like Obama’s policies, never voted for him. haven’t given the slightest bit of credit for anything the administration has accomplished but you’re bothered because he lied?
            I judge people by what they do, not what they say. I hate to break it to you but everyone lies…

          • T Ko

            What has he done? Oh nothin’ much, except…

          • Ted

            For you, one out of eleven anti ain’t bad.

          • Sheila Warner

            A lie is an action. It is a deliberate action meant to deceive.

          • legal eagle

            A lie/misrepresentation is not an action unless one acts upon it and it causes damages…

          • Sheila Warner

            I rest my case.

          • legal eagle

            Your case was dismissed long ago….When you are down to criticizing politicians for “lying” you know you’re case is weak…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            What in the holy hell are you talking about legal eagle? That’s completely nonsensical. Are you seriously playing semantics games between nouns and verbs to try and rationalize all of the blatant lies President Obama repeatedly told us in order to get his unpopular agenda passed?

            Very, very desperate, man.

          • legal eagle

            Grow up….you’re calling politicians liars means you’ve wither run out of argument or you’re terrible naïve…ALL POLITICIANS LIE…it’s part of the job description….

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            YOU grow up. This wasn’t some lie about a cigar and a chubby intern. It was about 1/5 of the U.S. economy and the price, quality, and access of people’s healthcare. The fact that you can just shrug your shoulders over it and equate it to inconsequential, empty rhetoric only exposes you as the shill that you are.

          • legal eagle

            More talking points…You sound like a partisan ideologue….Which is, of course, what you are….Tell me an administration policy you’ve agreed with since 2009? You have lost any ability to be slightly objective. You are like opposing counsel in a trial except you will never stipulate to any facts or reality…
            The U.S. healthcare system has been in shambles for the past 30 years…..and the ideologues just continue to whine..

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Talking points? Coming from the guy who might as well be copying and pasting his posts directly from an MSNBC teleprompter, that’s pretty rich.

            What I’ve stated are REALITIES. I understand that as a hard-left ideologue and shameless Obama loyalist, you might not be familiar with that term, but maybe you could at least try it every now and then… just for kicks.

            And why do you keep asking me the same questions over and over again, while ignoring my answers? I already told you that I agreed with the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell.

            You have lost any ability to be slightly objective, impulsively defending the administration on issues that even they’ve come to admit are indefensible. All you do is spout propaganda and ignore all facts and realities that you are confronted with. And like any good, modern-day liberal you falsely accuse your ideological opponents of doing exactly what you’re doing.

            The U.S. healthcare system has NOT been in shambles for the past 30 years. Prior to the passage of Obamacare, numerous national polls showed that over 80% of Americans were happy with the healthcare system. Did it have problems? Absolutely! But you don’t deal with those problems by blowing the whole system up, knocking millions off their plans, taking away their doctors, skyrocketing their premiums and deductibles, basing it all on a completely incoherent funding mechanism that couldn’t possibly be work, and then calling people’s whose lives you’ve altered ‘whiners’.

            God, I’d hate to think how you would suggest dealing with a stalled car engine. Stick a live grenade in the tailpipe, maybe?

            Try taking off the knee-jerk partisanship goggles every once in a while, man. It will do you some good.

          • legal eagle

            The poll you are referring to stated that 80% of Americans were satisfied with the “quality” of their healthcare….not the price…
            My point is that you’ve been whining about Obama since January 2009 well before healthcare became an issue…your complaints about ACA are legitimate but you’ve complained so often about non issues that obviously you are just a hyper-partisan Republican..

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            PollS, as in several of them, not just one – all saying the same thing. And it wasn’t just the quality of healthcare, it was people’s ACCESS to quality healthcare.

            For most Americans, the Affordable Care Act makes it LESS likely that they can get the type of access they used to get, not more likely.

            Secondly, the ACA doesn’t lower healthcare costs. It increases them. So you’re argument is that because healthcare costs were high before (which they were), the answer was to do things that made it MORE expensive.

            Please explain to me how that makes any sense at all.

            The rest of your argument is completely nonsensical. You’re saying that because people like me (and a majority of the American public by the way – not just Republicans) understood early on that Obamacare was a mess that would not result in any of the rosy outcomes President Obama was promising, we’ve somehow lost credibility now that we have been vindicated by the cold, hard, reality?

            A majority of the American public opposed Obamacare since the day it became a bill, and that has never changed. It has never had majority support, and rarely has it even been close to receiving it.

            Your argument (and I think you know this) is that people should just shut up and smile while the government completely jacks up their healthcare. That is what makes you the very definition of a partisan hack.

          • T Ko

            JD, I know that you are well-familiar with this Obama-Zombie, Extraordinaire, but I will point something out that is sometimes lost when dealing with this nut.

            His hack, slice and pile technique involves numerous comments that have no substance, are very short, and never give into reason.

            I don’t mind the extended explanation and the in-depth measure of thought in discussing a point with someone who comes to the table with an open and honest intent, but that does not describe the Weasel. Look at your arguments and look at his, and it appears on the surface at least that he was able to sucker you into wasting much more time on him than he did on you.

            BTW, IHF is posting as (Guest), but when you compare the forwarded email text to the text that remains on the site they are vastly different. The email copy is a personal insult, whereas the site copy is a message of goodwill and good wishes. Another trick he’s playing.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Legal eagle isn’t suckering me into anything. I just enjoy dismantling his bumper-sticker arguments with facts because he has no defense against them.

            If that means I end up writing a bit longer posts, it’s no skin off my back.

            We’ll go ahead and chalk up IHF’s post-edits to the holiday spirit breaking its way through his creepy exterior. ;)

          • T Ko

            10-4. Actually, I enjoy seeing you apply reason where LE has none and comes off sounding rather mindless.

            IHF is apparently a very confused ____________. (fill in the blank)

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            He’s going through some split-personality phase, apparently.

          • T Ko

            Yeah, check one of my latest posts…I included his original comment as a quote from him.

          • T Ko

            JD, inspecting the elements of his post it appears that he is using the following…

            His comment was

            Let’s see how long it takes for you to figure it out. (Hint: it wasn’t me that changed it)

          • legal eagle

            John,
            This is what the poll said…I know you can never admit you are mistaken, but you are…
            September 23, 2009

            Cost Is Foremost Healthcare Issue for Americans

            But public largely skeptical that healthcare reform will bring relief

            PRINCETON, NJ — Americans are broadly satisfied with the quality of their own medical care and healthcare costs, but of the two, satisfaction with costs lags. Overall, 80% are satisfied with the quality of medical care available to them, including 39% who are very satisfied. Sixty-one percent are satisfied with the cost of their medical care, including 20% who are very satisfied.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Lol. Did you actually read what you just posted? Because if you had, you would have realized that it VALIDATED exactly what I wrote.

            Thanks for helping me prove you wrong.

          • legal eagle

            The majority of Americans want a lot of different things…You don’t like Obamacare because it was passed by Obama…If Republican passed healthcare reform you’d be saying how great it is…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Lol. Just last night, you told me that my criticism of Obamacare was legitimate. 24 hours later, you’re now telling me that it’s because I just don’t like Obama.

            Did you get your talking points mixed up again?

          • Sheila Warner

            If the GOP passed health care reform, it would not look like ObamaCare at all. I fault the GOP for not taking advantage of the total rejection of Hillarycare. At that point, the GOP should have come up with their own bill. It’s why I am not a member of either party.

          • legal eagle

            How do you know what GOP healthcare would’ve looked like…Isn’t Romneycare GOP healthcare?

          • Sheila Warner

            At the state level. I don’t know what types of plans are offered in Massachusetts, so I can’t compare them. The population of one state is not the same logistical nightmare in trying to insure the entire country.

          • legal eagle

            You said that the Republican healthcare plan would have been different. I point out the only Republican healthcare plan currently in existence…You say that’s not a fair comparison….What’s your point?

          • Sheila Warner

            Re-read my comment, If you even read it at all,,,

          • legal eagle

            “If the GOP passed health care reform, it would not look like ObamaCare at all”
            What am I misreading?

          • Sheila Warner

            Sigh. You need to keep up. You said the GOP is really Romneycare. The reply to that statement is what I am referring to, and of course you didn’t read it, just as you blew off the links provided to you by Daly.
            You can’t have a discussion if you don’t actually read what the other person says to you.

          • legal eagle

            Republicans had no plan and have never had any plan…The closest thing to a plan enacted by a Republican is Romneycare.. In the law that is called

          • Sheila Warner

            Poor thing. You still didn’t find my as yet unread reply, have you?

          • Sheila Warner

            as yet unread REPLY, not replay, sorry.

          • legal eagle

            “If the GOP passed health care reform, it would not look like ObamaCare at all”…
            OK what would it look like?

          • Sheila Warner

            Find that reply, yet?

          • legal eagle

            No…

          • Sheila Warner

            Sad for you. Maybe next time you will pay attention.

          • legal eagle

            Don’t let the facts get in the way of your argument…Even opposing counsel sometimes admits they were mistaken…The poll said 80% were satisfied with the quality of their healthcare not access to quality healthcare…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Yes. THEIR healthcare… as in the healthcare THEY have access to. If they didn’t have access to it, it wouldn’t be THEIR healthcare, now would it?

            I realize that you’re embarrassed for providing information that destroyed your own argument, but that’s your fault… not mine. Own up to the fact that you got it wrong and preserve some dignity.

          • Sheila Warner

            Do you even know what a talking point is? John stated factually what happened to his health insurance plan. Are you going to stalk him now, like you did to me, and try to “help” him find an affordable plan?

          • T Ko

            …a chubby intern….

            LOL!!!

          • legal eagle

            FOR THE BENGHAZI CONSPIRACY THEORISTS:

            The New York Times‘ in-depth investigation into the attack in Benghazi has stirred renewed debate on the incident, including a narrative from conservatives that the reporting changes nothing about the prevailing narrative on the attack. On Saturday, though, Fox News anchor Harris Faulkner laid down a marker by telling viewers, and Rep. Peter King (R-NY) that the Times report contradicts much of the reporting that has shaped the debate over the tragedy.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly
          • legal eagle

            Glad you had to wait for Fox News talking points….Did you read the NYT reporting?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            >>Did you read the NYT reporting?

            I did, and I agree wholeheartedly with the analysis from that last link. Did you bother watching it, or do you just reflexively close your eyes and plug your ears when it comes to anything that has a Fox News logo on it?

            The guy who wrote that NYT piece provided some interesting stuff, but is basing a broad conclusion off of his personal, political ideology instead of the facts he actually reported on. In order for someone to buy his conclusion, one would have to totally disregard what was seen by numerous eye-witnesses to the attack, as well as the conclusions formed by our own intelligence agencies.

            Now, again, watch the video at the link I gave you and tell me what about that analysis you believe is unfair.

          • legal eagle

            The Fox Report you cite does no reporting and gives no specific rebuttal….In Fox News world all muslims are Al Queda and all NYT reporting is false. Hard to argue with anyone who believes Fox News actually does investigative reporting…

          • Sheila Warner

            OMG, the rebuttals were all over the place, including conclusions previously reported last year by….wait for it…the NYT! You obviously did not read either article, nor did you watch the video. Even Democrat Rep Adam Schiff disagrees with the NYT article, basing his disagreement on his own intelligence reports as a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee. You are smarter than he is? The pushback against the article is bipartisan.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Thanks Sheila. I’m glad someone else noticed.

            This is a recurring theme with legal eagle. He doesn’t actually read the content he responds to. He’ll even cite articles as proof of his arguments when the articles actually refute what he’s saying.

            I’m thinking he gets 100% of his news from whatever MSNBC hosts read off a teleprompter.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Thanks for admitting you didn’t watch or read what I posted, because several specific examples of negating information were cited.

            You don’t even pretend not to be a partisan hack anymore, do you?

            BTW, Fox News and the Weekly Standard did more investigative work on the Benghazi attack than anyone (which wasn’t hard since most of the media didn’t want to discover the truth in the first place). But I wouldn’t expect you to know that with your tv channel never leaving MSNBC.

          • Sheila Warner

            LOL, even the NYT rebuts the article. The Weekly Standard article is so useful that I added it to my Kindle reader.

          • Sheila Warner

            It’s curious that the NTY is resurrecting the video issue long after the Obama Administration dropped it.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            That’s an excellent point.

            The NYT article actually continues a political narrative that the Obama administration stopped trying to defend a long time ago because they realized it was indefensible.

            For the Times to suddenly re-open this 14 months after the attack seems more like a 2016 election gift to Hillary Clinton than anything else.

          • pat brady

            How often? I have no idea, never counted. I heard it because I was paying attention when he spoke, I wasn’t listening to clips on right wing news. Anyone that says he never spoke about insurance plans having to meet certain requirements though isn’t being honest. MOST people here wouldn’t know because if they were REALLY honest they’d admit they never listened to any of his speeches leading up to the election.

            I find it interesting that no one was that interested in the truth from 2000-08. If you demanded the truth then you were a conspiracy theorist or an America hater. I’m not talking about the kooks who think that Bush planned 9/11 either.

          • Integrity

            How about proving it just once? QED

          • Sheila Warner

            Just how do you explain that the GOP tried to get it out to the public in 2010 that the regulation related to grandfathering destroyed it outright? How it was the Democrats who blocked it? And how they had the nerve to say they didn’t realize it until now, when we have videotape of the GOP trying to fix the problem in 2010? I’ll bet that is where you first heard the “if it doesn’t change” comments–from the GOP in the House. That happened prior to the midterms. That is why the GOP took back the House that November. People knew they were going to be hurt by the law.

          • Ted

            People had no clue 3 yrs ago that they were going to be hurt be the ACA and still don’t have enough info at this point to know.

          • Sheila Warner

            People have cancellations in hand. They know, believe me. And the prices for the AHA’s one size fits all plans are expensive. Even with premium support, the deductibles negate that assistance.

          • legal eagle

            Was Reagan a liar, Bush? Clinton, Eisenhower etc..How can someone in the position of POTUS not “lie”? Are you naïve or just hypercritical?

          • T Ko

            Is that “hypercritical”, or is it hypocritical?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            If you could point out a lie as shameless and as consequential as the numerous whoppers told by our current president in regards to Obamacare alone, I’d love to hear it.

            And I’m talking about ACTUAL lies… not extraneous talking points masquerading as such.

          • T Ko

            And make no mistake about it, he knew exactly what he was telling when he told it. There was no ‘maybe this, maybe that‘ regarding whether he knew that what he was saying was true or not.

          • legal eagle

            How about nuclear weapons in Iraq?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Clearly, you failed to read the entirety of the above post. Predictable.

          • Sheila Warner

            The fall back assertion. Point to other bad behavior in order to justify more bad behavior. “Others did it, too!” is not a good defense for perpetuating bad behavior. Remember that this was going to be an America transformed, with the greatest transparency ever. Bills posted online so people could read and understand them, a website where you could see where the stimulus money was being spent, televised discussions over the ins and outs of ObamaCare…President Obama broke those promises. I opposed quite a bit of what President George W Bush did, but he was man enough to stand firm on his convictions even when it wasn’t popular, and he didn’t blame anyone else for the outcomes.

        • Drew Page

          The part about “IF your insurance meets the requirements” wasn’t stated by Obama until after his apology to people who found themselves in difficulty due to assurances given by himself. Recheck the numerous video tapes where Obama says “If you like your health plan, you can keep it. Period.” In the twenty-nine separate times Obama made that pledge, there was never an “If your plan meets the requirements.” Your pathetic attempt to introduce that caveat as having always been a part of the promise is as despicable as the man who originally made it.
          Certainly we don’t need a law to define what insurance is, we have dictionaries for that. Look it up sometime. The deductibles offered in Obama Care options are much higher than those typically offered through group health insurance plans and some are higher than what was generally available through the individual health insurance markets.
          You want to talk about ridiculous insurance? How about insurance that allows applicants to join when they know they are going to use it, then drop it after their claims are paid, and then to buy it again only when they need it again. “Here, take my $1,000 insurance premium and now pay my $300,000 of claims. After you do, I intend to drop the insurance, but don’t worry, I’ll be back when I need it again.” Genius, pure genius.

          • Sheila Warner

            Your reply is genius, Pure genius. It’s hard to believe that anyone could have come up with worse provisions. Let’s see how the market does as QE continues its taper and health care costs skyrocket. The economy is quite fragile right now. One good quarter of growth does not a complete recovery make. Wonder what will happen with the insurance stocks when this law collapses?

          • pat brady

            You know for YOU guys it’s hard to hear something when you NEVER listened to a speech.

            So people are going to drop their plans and pay the tax for not having healthcare? Is that your argument? So you’d pay $1,500 a year or whatever it is and not have care? If you can’t afford it then the government will help so I don’t get why people would turn down the money and accept the tax penalty.

            IF this scenario played out the way you described it where the person paid $1,000 right before they realized they had cancer (sure) and then dropped the plan right after they were cured then aren’t they going to go to another insurer? If so then you accept that you’re going to win some of those and LOSE some of those. I don’t know what world you’re living in if you think the insurance industry is going to lose more of those than they win. If that’s you belief then man you really need Obamacare because it might help with the brain damage you suffered somewhere along the way.

        • Sheila Warner

          Even the MSM didn’t hear what you did. Or the Democrats! Never mind that the GOP tried to fix the problem with the grandfathering regulation in 2010, and it was the Democrats who blocked the bill. The same ones who claim “but we didn’t know!” Sorry, try again. The fact was brought to light in 2010, but the President feigns ignorance. That’s why he gets the Lie of the Year. He may not have known prior to 2010, but he sure knew afterwards.

      • Ted

        Georgie Boy, you’re just one more freaked out old white guy who wants his country back.

      • Sheila Warner

        At the time of Fast and Furious, the White House vehemently denied it was involved in the process. Yet, the President invoked Executive Privilege. Ridiculous.

        • D Parri

          It was just a glimpse of his Travesty-to-Come, otherwise known as the Obama Administration.

  • LHS

    Vote out all the verified liars in Nov 2014. Yes, theyre ALL liars but please vote out the most blatant. Raise your voices. Call, email, write. Get off the couch!!!

  • jesustheonlyway

    This is what happens when you have to *pass the thing to see what’s in it* – the blind lead the blind and they all fall in the ditch. What a bunch of Zero’s!

    • pat brady

      Like the Patriot act you mean? How many pages was that? How long did they all take to pass it?

      I agree though, making sure everyone has access to healthcare is pure evil!! Making sure that these elected officials have healthcare though for the rest of their lives? How do you think they’d all vote to remove access to THEIR free healthcare for life? I bet we’d find the one thing they could ALL agree on right?

      • Jen

        Seriously, the Patriot Act??? That is your big defensive move here? The Patriot Act sounds like baby games compared to what this President is doing right now. Take your democrat blinders off. PLEASE!
        By the way, I am sick and tired of Liberals claim that Obamacare finally gives access to healthcare. Obamacare has nothing to do with health care. It is a take over of the health INSURANCE part of the economy. Any person in this country can walk into an ER and receive healthcare regardless of income or insurance. Obamacare is pure evil.

        • JMax

          “Democrat” is a noun not an adjective.

          • pat brady

            great, now they all have to look up what “adjective” means.

          • JMax

            I know, right?

        • Ted

          ER visits? So, what ever happened to individual responsibility? That’s how Mitt passed Romneycare in Massachusetts or didn’t you know that?

        • pat brady

          try taking your child into the ER with the flu genius and tell me how long you wait. I have a brother without healthcare. 1.) when you DO get sick they throw you out of the hospital as quick as they can. 2.) they do nothing in the way of follow up care. 3.) there’s no preventive care. And guess who pays for it ALL? The hospitals don’t get stuck with the bill WE do. See, sometimes you have to take your head of out Rush Limbaugh’s a$$ to get back in touch with reality. Mitt was seen as a compassionate conservative but Obama is “pure evil” for doing the same EXACT thing.

          • Drew Page

            And just exactly how much work do you do for free? Do you go to the grocery store with no money and tell them how hungry you are and how the grocery store is somehow obligated to provide you with free food? Do you pull the same sort of thing when you go to a shoe store, or a clothing store or a car dealership? “Gee, I don’t have any money, but somehow you store owners owe me what I need.” Get your head out of Obama’s a$$.

          • pat brady

            I’ll take mine out of Obama’s as soon as you take yours out of Rush and Sean Hannity’s.

            I don’t get ANYTHING for free. I pay over $500 a month for my healthcare. The reality (I know reality has a liberal bias) is that Walmart is the countries biggest employer today. IF you work at Walmart you probably don’t get healthcare and more importantly you probably can’t AFFORD healthcare. The other nasty truth is that when these people get so sick that it becomes an emergency then they go to the ER where the care is 10X more expensive. You think these people that can’t afford to pay for healthcare are paying that $5,000 bill? THis law forces everyone that CAN afford healthcare to be RESPONSIBLE so the rest of us don’t get stuck with the bill.

            See, creeps like you think there’s a dollar figure you can put on a person’s life. In your twisted head everyone is trying to get something on your dime. When we did away with the unions in this country we end up with WAY too many people not able to earn enough to survive. Good thing we have clueless people like you to fight for those 1percenters.

            And as far as I go, I don’t buy anything I can’t afford. I drive a car I bought in 2000. I live in a house that we put 20% on and I use an Amex Green card for all my purchases which forces you to pay it ALL off every month. I know that doesn’t fit into your stereotype for what liberals are though.

          • Sheila Warner

            Even people with insurance go to the ER when an illness becomes life threatening. Life threatening is the definition of emergency. Also, accidents such as broken bones or severe lacerations, get treated in the ER. There are low cost clinics for preventive care. They are usually available for Medicaid patients. Now we are seeing more people on the exchanges being put into Medicaid than the private insurance companies. Who pays for that? Do you think care will go up for those folks? They will have free healthcare and still go to the ER.

          • pat brady

            Ok, so imagine YOU worked full time and couldn’t afford to see a doctor. I’m a diabetic. If I didn’t have insurance I’d NEVER be able to afford my medicine. I’d have to switch to a much less effective type and I’d certainly never be able to afford the preventive care like having your blood or kidneys checked. It’s not a luxury these are necessities of life. It’s no different than you fire protection or police department. We don’t tell people that the fire department can’t come because unfortunately they don’t make enough to afford it. That would be ridiculous right? Unlike most people here I have compassion for those less fortunate than me. I’ve heard stories on NPR about the decisions families without healthcare have to face. The stories of course don’t fit into the picture that Rush or Hannity paint. They’re hard working families that just can’t afford healthcare and their employers don’t provide it. If you’re worried about who pays for the coverage these people are going to get then that’s a ridiculous point because we’re ALREADY paying for it. Why not pay a little less, have them pay SOME of it and everyone wins?

          • Sheila Warner

            I assume there are no low cost clinics in your neck of the woods? My pharmacy has a plan where one can get generics for $5 a month.

            Yes, the labs are expensive, I will grant you that. I’m a diabetic, too. And of course I have compassion on the uninsured. We could have fixed that problem without changing around the insured’s plans. Right now, Medicaid has expanded, and more folks are getting Medicaid than are getting private insurance in the exchanges. What will that do to access? Try to find a Medicaid provider. It isn’t easy. Thus, the ER will still be the provider of last resort.

            I want everyone to have health insurance. This just isn’t the way to go about it. People should be able to buy health insurance in the same manner as we purchase auto insurance. There should be real competition among plans, not this one size fits all crap.

          • pat brady

            You assume a lot Try to get to one if you’re part of the working poor. I have a little more flexibility with my job but the people on the lower end of the scale just don’t. Try and see how long you wait at one of those clinics. Try to get to one when you kids are sick or just because they need a checkup. Try to see what kind of follow up care you get after a trip to the ER. I have healthcare so thankfully I don’t have to go through that. I know I work a LOT of hours though so I can’t imagine how I’d be able to arrange to take a whole day off every time I had to go to the doctor. Obamacare certainly isn’t perfect but unfortunately I don’t see a perfect plan coming unless the money and corruption is taken out of our political system. Look at how much the insurance companies spend on lobbying and tell me how many of our politicians are going to push policies that are really meant for US.

          • Sheila Warner

            Even the low income folks who get help with monthly premium support will face high deductibles, which means unless they have cash on hand, they will not be able to see a doctor. Don’t you get how expensive these plans are? Even with subsidies, a consumer can see monthly premiums as high as two to three hundred dollars a month. If they are living paycheck to paycheck, how will that help them? If they are really poor, they will be funneled into Medicaid, which is a joke. See my post above for all of those headaches. The ACA is not an improvement overall. It needs to be redone, with more flexibility for people. Even the President gets it; he changed the rules so people can buy catastrophic plans again. You know, the kind that was being disparaged by him previously? We need to keep the very few good parts of the law and fix the rest.

          • pat brady

            with your head so far up Rush’s bung how can you possibly see where anyone’s head is? I seem to be missing that part of Obamacare where I get ANYTHING for free. I didn’t realize that I was going to get free healthcare. I know I’m still paying $500+ a month for mine. EVERY year the rates go up and the level of care goes down. Somehow that “competition drives the market” plan isn’t working.

          • Sheila Warner

            People should not be using the ER for the flu. There’s a vaccine for that, and the Feds pay for that vaccine for those without coverage. I know that; I used to be one of those who gave the shots to the uninsured children. The ER is supposed to be for emergencies. There are free and low cost clinics all over this nation that will take care of routine illnesses without visiting an ER. The whole ER argument is a red herring. Of course the ER does no follow up, but it gives information about what follow up care is needed at time of discharge. The ER is not meant to be used as a clinic. It’s why we have clinics in the first place.

          • pat brady

            Wow, so tell that to the person that HAS the flu and can’t afford to see a doctor. Just tell them, “you know there’s a vaccine for that”. Some people are more vulnerable than others. Children don’t have strong immune systems and sometimes they get sick AFTER getting the flu vaccine.

            You make it sound awesome to not have healthcare. I wonder why it is you continue to pay for it then? I have a brother who doesn’t have it. When he gets sick, which he does fairly often because he suffers from pancreatitis they take him, get him stable and throw him out. His son is 15 and has been suffering from the same thing for the last 3 years. He gets the same exact treatment. There’s no follow up either like there would be IF you had insurance. So sorry to be such a downer but I disagree with the rosy picture your painting of how awesome it is to be uninsured.

          • Sheila Warner

            It’s horrible to have no insurance. I never said it was rosy. I also pointed out that there are low cost clinics all over the country. They are popping up in pharmacies and even in my local grocery store. They are “drop in” clinics, which are a great alternative to the ER. Pancreatitis is a real emergency, so of course one would go to the ER.

            My issue with the ER argument is that ObamaCare will not change that situation. People who are too poor to purchase health insurance are being funneled into Medicaid. Try to find a doctor who accepts Medicaid. It’s very difficult. So, people will end up going to the ER, anyway, because they can’t find a doctor.

            In the meantime, those who qualify for subsidies will still be paying through the nose in order to satisfy the co-pays and deductibles. There are more uninsured people today than before ObamaCare, because of the millions of canceled plans.

            The solution is not an expensive, one size fits all approach. Competition is still the best driver of prices. One should be able to purchase health insurance in the same way one purchases auto insurance. Go to your agent, select from plans that are flexible to meet your needs, and have real choices. That’s how we approach the problem.

          • pat brady

            How does having insurance NO T change the ER situation? I know my insurance really discourages you to go to the ER. My urgent care co-pay is $50 while my ER co-pay is $250. The copay for a doctor visit is $30. That is a REAL incentive to avoid the ER and see a doctor first. A LOT of doctor’s will tell you that if you don’t have insurance than the bill is to be paid in full at the time of the visit.

            Competition is NOT the best driver. That model has failed miserably. Look at the rate that healthcare has gone up compared to the rate that wages have gone up. They’re on two completely different trajectories. It’s looking more like a + than it is a =. Obamacare has forced these companies to spend a greater percentage of their profits on actually providing care, given people like me with a pre-existing condition the security that I’ll never be denied coverage AND allowed kids up to the age of 26 to stay on their parents plans. It’s a LOT better than the plan the republicans were proposing from 2000-08 which was NOTHING.

          • Sheila Warner

            There wasn’t real competition prior to the ACA. States heavily regulated the insurance companies and there was no national across state lines ability to purchase. I hate insurance companies, let me be clear. You haven’t read my other posts. I have had terrible experiences with them, as an individual and as a nurse working in a busy multi-doctor office. What I am saying is based on my personal experience dealing with Medicaid patients. One office where I worked didn’t accept Medicaid. The one that did wasn’t available during his off hours, and anyone who called was directed to the ER. Since Medicaid has expanded, there will be that many more people who cannot access a primary care physician. They will end up in the ER. People without insurance at all have to apply for charity care in my region. I didn’t encounter a single person who was denied. And, in my office which did not accept Medicaid, the uninsured got access because they were treated on a sliding scale cash for service. It is illegal to do that with Medicaid patients. Medicaid takes away choices.

        • Sheila Warner

          And why change health insurance for the whole country when it was only some who did not have access to medical insurance? Fixing the problem of the uninsured I get–I don’t get why everyone else had to have their coverage turned upside down.

      • Integrity

        Most of them would vote the same way the Republicans voted on ACA, No. Many of the politicians from both parties are so wealthy that it doesn’t matter. Similar to President Obama, they could sign up for the least expensive policy with no intent to ever use it. The less affluent politicians would obviously want nothing to do with it. Although a red herring in this instance, the Patriot Act is very dangerous when our Government lacks accountability and integrity. Same with the IRS. QED

        • Sheila Warner

          I was against the PATRIOT Act right from the start. I also have assumed all of these years that the government is collecting massive amounts of data on Americans. I was not at all surprised by Snowden’s “revelations”. I also don’t believe one should point to previous bad behavior to justify even more bad behavior. A pox on both parties! Neither one has done anything but intrude more and more into our lives.

          • Integrity

            Intellectual honesty. I love it! QED

      • Sheila Warner

        Funny thing how making sure everyone has healthcare actually resulted in millions more without it.

        • pat brady

          Funny thing how inaccurate that is too.

          • Sheila Warner

            Don’t take my word for it, look up the stats. Especially in Oregon. If you have difficulty, I can send you a link or two. Nearly 6 million people lost their insurance coverage. The total enrollment in ObamaCare isn’t anywhere close to 6 million.

          • pat brady

            And EVERY SINGLE one of them will have access to BETTER healthcare. Studies show that 85% of people with those catastrophic plans switch from year to year. The law grandfathered in those plans too by the way. Insurance companies really had no interest in extending those plans because they’re not as profitable. You’re anger is misguided. The biggest problem with the affordable care act in my opinion is that it’s a give away to the insurance industry. They KNOW they’re getting more business so they have no interest in selling these no frills plans. The insurance companies made changes to the plans which meant the plans were no longer grandfathered in.

          • Sheila Warner

            Check out Oregon, yet?

  • pat brady

    Is this an article or your Christmas list Bernie?

    • George Williams

      You’re our Christmas meal, Brady.

      • pat brady

        your wit is sharp George. It’s like an old rusty butter knife going through cast iron.

  • Bruce

    Merry Christmas catholic voter! To answer your question I’m on Long Island, of course.

  • dlmstl

    Bullseye Bernie has a winner! Clip and attach this article to your fridge for reference on December 25, 2014. Finally, a coming Christmas about which we can be joyous, merry and thankful. Gains in the House and taking the Senate will put us back on course and true to our Constitution.

    • LAPhil

      I agree. This was Bernie at his best.

      • pat brady

        I can’t tell if that’s a compliment or a put down. I’m going with the latter.

        • LAPhil

          Go with whatever you please.

          • George Williams

            But just go, Pat.

          • pat brady

            Why George? You seem to enjoy commenting here.
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            Got some time on your hands George?

          • stumgolf

            You seem to have plenty of time to comment also dear pat

  • Opinionated_Vogon

    Here is my new Obama parody video – A Day In the Life (under ObamaCare)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xx_1ySxnUg

    Cheers, and Merry Christmas!

    O.V.

    • LAPhil

      Thank you for sharing that incredible video! It’s now in my favorites.

  • Shane

    The Dems are going to get crushed in the 2014 elections if the tea party doesn’t ruin things for Republicans by shutting down the government again.

    • brickman

      Real Clear Politics has the Dems up half a point in the Generic Congressional Ballot poll of polls. When the
      Republicans won in 2010 they were up 9 and a half points.
      They will hold the House under present circumstances.
      They may even tie or win the Senate narrowly. They will NOT
      crush the Dems. I don’t know if like 2 dozen conservative
      pundits that you predicted a Romney landslide in 2012, if
      you did you already know the excuses when it doesn’t
      happen. If you’re new to this the 2 main excuses are (1) conservatives stayed home because our candidates were too liberal, (2) VOTER FRAUD VOTER FRAUD VOTER FRAUD or both of the above.

      • George Williams

        The polls are deceptive, as the employer mandate hasn’t kicked in. Once 100 million people find themselves in the same situation as the 5 million currently either without insurance, or with insurance that’s costing them more, and destroying their disposable income, the polls will change fast. Obama’s plan is not affordable and come next November, people will prove it.

        • brickman

          After reading several of your comments, I realize I missed an excuse. (3) it’s a communist takeover.

          • George Williams

            Most leftists are too stupid to realize that their philosophy of government is identical to that of failed communism. Those that are ignorant of history are destined to repeat the mistakes of the past. You name an Obama economic policy and I’ll explain to you why Obama’s economy is a communist economy.

          • brickman

            How is ” It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.” a communist economic policy?

          • George Williams

            How about this, the top 10 percent already contribute far more than their share of the cost of government we all accrue as beneficiaries of government. Progressive taxation has been abused. It permits over half of the people in this country to elect politicians that enact benefits for them, all the while they contribute nothing to the running of the government. For these people, taxation becomes the power to steal under the guise of democracy. I know that you people are ignorant of history and care nothing for fairness, but the Founders never intended the tax system to be a wealth transfer program. If this continues, we will see the movement of wealth from this country to those nations that understand how capitalism benefits their nations more than all other systems of economics that have ever existed. Today’s socialists and communists that comprise the Democratic Party have either conveniently forgotten the failures of their past efforts to reach their utopia, or are delusional to think that all they have to do is keep trying, with the expectation of different results. Tell us Brickman, which are you?

          • Ted

            Oh, so what % do the rich individually pay? Like Romney about 13%? or like Warren Buffet less than his secretary? It doesn’t matter if they pay a certain total of the taxes and even you and your pea brain should be able to understand.

          • George Williams

            More power to them. The government wastes tax money and instead of stopping it, they come for more in the form of higher taxation. I don’t know why I bother with little sh@ts like you, as you are nothing more than a mouthpiece for the ignorant jealous POS Democratic party. Romney is a venture capitalist. That means that he invests money in high risk enterprises, many that produce large numbers of jobs. The government has kept taxes low on earnings from such ventures in order to encourage such investors, recognizing that they could lose it all. Many such investors go under. Ordinary fools like yourself, risk nothing at all, produce no jobs, working for a guaranteed income, a dollar’s wages for dollar’s work. Warren Buffet’s secretary gets paid the same way you do and is thus taxed at the ordinary income rate. If you don’t it, don’t bother demonizing the rich, because like your Obamashitcare, its the tax law. Put away your ignorant communist Democratic Party play book and learn how the world works, creep.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Not to mention that the money earned from capital gains has already been taxed once before.

            I wrote a couple of columns on the sham that is the Buffett rule a while back:
            http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/the-responsibility-of-the-media-to-debunk-the-buffett-rule/
            http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/warren-buffetts-answer-to-an-awful-economy-schadenfreude/

            Obama was able to get traction off of this fabricated issue for two reasons: Most Americans didn’t get it, and the media refused to explain it to them.

          • brickman

            Do agree with George that Obama’s economic policies are Communism? I knew you’d appear after I suckered him with the Adam Smith quote.

            Not all money realized through capital gains have been doubly taxed. You can make the case for dividends but the profit from stock sales or gold and silver has not been doubly taxed. In fact it has been given tax advantages. If I buy gold jewelry in a store I pay a sales tax on it. If I buy a book in a store I pay sales tax. I don’t on stock or buillion.

          • George Williams

            Obama is a communist. He is a closet communist who, if given the opportunity would cross level wealth and put the entire economy under the yoke of the government. He knows that he cannot do this directly, but through regulation so specific and onerous that nothing can happen without answering to his regime. He’s already attempted this through the National Labor Relations Board, in the case of Boeing and their attempt to move production of the 787 to North Carolina. if the Democrats and a like minded successor come to power, they will continue to force corporations to put employees on the boards, just as they managed with GM. The IRS has already been politicized, although only its only manifested in right wing educational organizations. It’s a short hop to terrorizing for profit corporations to make them conform to the agenda of the party in power. The EPA writes a mountain of regulations by the week. This organization has done more to terrorize private enterprise and discourage expansion of capitalism than any other government entity.

            You don’t need a communist revolution if the people elect their own executioners. 1917 was a revolution designed for the times. Obama’s election is the revolution for the 21st Century.

          • brickman

            I already knew your opinion about Obama. This question was directed at John Daly.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            This is one that needs to be explained to folks in a lot more detail. Use an individual who owns a business as an example. If I choose NOT to take a salary or wages but instead rely on my profits. Profits minus Federal and State taxes, go to Me, now I pay Federal and State taxes. In some jurisdictions (adding the two together) that might approach 60-70+ percent????? My little job creating venture has to regularly achieve staggering margins in order to be worthwhile? Warren Buffet very well knows this, so why is being such an IDIOT?

          • brickman

            Wouldn’t you take the arrangement most favorable to you?. I know several couples in their thirties who run small mom and pop plus 1-5 employee type businesses. Only the husbands draw salary because they only have to pay 1 social security contribution and they’ll hit the max where contributions cease. They also drive to work in a tax deductible car. An option their employees don’t have. There are burdens and advantages in every situation. I don’t fault people for using these devices, it’s common sense to use them. Why would you use the way you mention if it didn’t work to your advantage.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            I can tell by your post you have NO idea how business works? That you feel your opinion (based entirely on ignorance) has any validity is a testament to the modern scourge of egocentrism.

          • brickman

            What a fact based rebuttal.

          • brickman

            What a fact filled rebuttal. BTW the names on my list of customers would curl your hair. One just appeared on the cover of Time magazine. No, not the Pope. Someone with more money than God.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            If you want to debate, then don’t post blather. Double taxation of income is a serious issue.

          • brickman

            Double taxation seldom occurs in small corporations. The reason is simple. Shareholders don’t pay themselves dividends, they pay themselves salaries and bonuses. They then can deduct these salaries and bonuses as ordinary and necessary business expenses so they don’t have to pay taxes on them. You can work for your corporation even on a part time basis or as a consultant.. You can avoid double taxation by taking home profits in the form of salaries or bonuses rather than dividends.

            Your example that you would do the opposite is what I was ridiculing. Why would you choose to pay more tax? The examples I gave of friends in small business was to show that they use methods provided in the law to decease tax liability. Every business person uses existing law to their own benefit. Why wouldn’t you?

          • Sheila Warner

            Any taxpayer will do what he can to avoid paying more taxes. And the deductions taken are perfectly legal. Apparently the founder of facebook, Mark Zuckerman, isn’t paying any corporate taxes this year. I believe that in 2011 (not sure of the year) GE paid no taxes. When people point to tax rates as high as 90% prior to JFK, they don’t take into account that the very rich didn’t actually pay 90%. They used the tax code allowances to reduce their taxes. All perfectly legal. If this is immoral, and the citizens of this country demand a change, the tax code can always be changed by Congress.

          • D Parri

            Another travesty visited by Corporate Media America.

          • Ted

            Hey knumb knuts, put your teeth back in, sit down and try to get thru this without a nap. Romney made most of his money ransacking companies and their pensions, laying everyone off and closing the doors after leaving it saddled w/ massive debt and filing for bk. Note to Georgie Boy, when you shutter a business the jobs are lost. So, where are those jobs the rich and the cons were promising to create via the passing of bills or closing those tax loop holes?

          • George Williams

            Your party’s narrative and no other’s. Just like Reid’s story about Romney’s taxes, its all only lies. You’re a liar. You’re still taking Obama’s campaign lies and recycling them. Remember “If you like your plan, you can keep it, PERIOD! If you like your doctor, you can keep him, PERIOD! Your story about Romney comes from the same place, the campaign machine of the campaigner in chief, Barack Obama. Nothing Obama says is true, and fools like you still ape him.

          • George Williams

            Still campaigning, like your master,the lying president. His lies, “If you like your insurance plan, you can keep it, Period! If you like your doctor, you can keep him, Period!, will resonate for decades to come. Just Harry Reid’s proven lies about Romney, your narrative comes straight from the campaign managers of the liar in chief, so who would believe them anymore? Those are old lies, Teddy Bear, so start making some new ones up to entertain us.

          • brickman

            I know that I’m ignorant of history. You’ve said so twice. That’s why in my confused state I quoted Adam Smith , the founder of capitalism instead of Barack Obama. The quote used is from Book V Part l of Smith’s 1776 masterwork Wealth of Nations, the founding document of capitalism. I guess you think that he didn’t
            know how capitalism worked. I’m surprised you didn’t call me on the quote because with your big unhurtable brain you surely recognized the source of the quote. There are other statements in that book that don’t pass muster with current right wingers. Sorry, but YOU don’t get to define what capitalism is. Adam Smith does.

          • George Williams

            The only problem with your quote is that you use it to provoke more taxation when they are already overtaxed. As I’ve said, our current social condition is that progressivism does not recognize any limit to taxing the wealthy. Ask any liberal and they’ll say anything from 50 percent to 90 percent of earnings, without regard to such onerous burdens on the willingness of people to work for incomes that would be so confiscatory. Ultimately, people rebel, with some even emigrating to other parts. Immigration is a two way street. Those that come here come for different reasons. Confiscatory taxes are grounds for some to pick up their bat and ball and move elsewhere. It’s been one of the motivators for decades, and will be continued at an even faster rate under the Democratic Party. The only people who advocate higher taxes in this country are the jealous ne’er do wells, and those politician hacks who’ve spent their entire careers promoting in the Democratic Party’s communist/socialist ideology. Neither have any idea of how human nature works, except that one will sell his vote and the other will buy it.

          • brickman

            I guess I’m not any liberal. 50 to 90 % is way too high a tax rate. I just resent that I pay more than some billionaires. Ronald Reagan’s tax reform in 1986 raised the capital gains tax to that of regular income. Was he a communist, socialist or jealous ne’er do well?

          • George Williams

            How does putting the tax rate for investment capital income, money that is put at relatively high risk, encourage the growth of jobs? And as John Daly has said, capital gains is already taxed at the corporate level. Capital gains is a second tax on that income. The idea that somehow investors are not paying their fair share of income on their investments is a product of the leftist envy mongers who hate capitalism.

          • brickman

            Only some capital gains are taxed at the corporate level: dividends. Let’s suppose that I buy a stock and hold it 2 years. The company never makes a profit during that time. Let’s say I bought 1000 shares at $20.00 a share . Let’s say that I sold the lot for $25.00 a share. The amount I would pay capital gains taxes on, the $5 per share I profited, has never been subject to the corporate tax. The same holds for sale of gold. Let’s say I listened to Rush Limbaugh and bought 10 troy oz. of gold at $500 per. When I sell it two years later at $1200 per, my $7000 profit has never been subject to a corporate tax.

            There is risk in any business endeavour. The people you detest, people who go to work as an employee, have risks too. The last 40 years have led to people who gave their careers to companies being screwed out of negotiated benefits by companies and judges. That is their risk. You still haven’t answered why you think Adam Smith is a communist.

          • George Williams

            Your own Obama administration screwed preferred share holders in GM out of most of their investments, in favor or his worker’s paradise, so it isn’t only private enterprise that’s done bad deeds. If you can’t trust the government to enforce the bankruptcy laws, theres no one to call upon for redress of grievances.

            As to the investor, the price of his stock could easily have gone down, and the government wouldn’t have given him any of his investment back. However, the stock price did go up, meaning that the corporation generated profits that were used to employ people. He could just as well taken no risk at all, investing in money market or bond instruments, neither of which would benefit the economy as well. You hate the idea that people make money. When the government gives tax credits on losses as well as taking tax revenue on profits, that’s when I’ll consider your complaint about speculating on gold.

          • brickman

            I’m only a humble retail salesman and engraver, but I’m living in semiretirement( pre-Social Security) on money I made in investments. Even I know that one is taxed on NET CAPITAL GAINS in which capital losses can be used to offset capital gains. You can even carry losses over into the next year. You can also use up to $3,000 of capital losses to offset regular income. If you always pick losers you’re correct that the government won’t bail you out. Even someone stupid like me knows that.

            You are wrong in saying that companies whose stock price rises are generating profits. Some are. Some aren’t. At least in the short term.

            Please answer my previous question about Reagan. Commie or not?

          • George Williams

            You are correct. Much of current gains were caused by Obama’s low interest rates driving huge sums of money into the market, driving up prices.

          • brickman

            Comrade Obama was supposed to take that money and give it to the proletariat.

          • stumgolf

            You had people with investment in GM and Chrysler screwed out of their investment in these companies when they were bailed out by Obama, with his investment going to the unions.

          • brickman

            My brother and I worked for separate small businesses that were sold to Wall Street investors. They were both 60 year old profit making businesses that were subsequently stripped of assets , taken into bankruptcy where workers with decades of service lost promised benefits. NAME OUR TWO COMPANIES. You can’t because it’s a story of dog bites man. You and George can both name GM and Chrysler because they are the exception to the rule. Man bites dog. Considering this thread will YOU answer the question are Obama and Reagan commies?

  • Iklwa

    I think that you too are engaging in “wishful thinking” in that the republicans will be smart enough to provide an alternative to the liberal mess created by the Community Organizer In Chief.
    I have witnessed far too many chances for success squandered by entrenched republican (notice I did not say “conservative”) leadership in the past to have any delusions that a little common sense will return to American politics.

    It being Christmas and a time of optimism, I guess I can wish a little bit…
    nahhh…who are you trying to kid?

  • joepotato

    If you could dig up Lenin and get him to talk, you would understand that Universal health-care is nothing more than “people control.” The Fascist extortion mandate is nothing more than a hoax… It’s made to look like something else but it’s merely a Trojan Horse for tyranny and more govt control. Barack “what a crock” Soetorobama will have a great legacy… Fraud, deception, and a laundry list of crimes allowed by a criminally complicit congress is what will be written. The only thing missing is a happy ending, right? The fraud of Soetorobama is making the rounds via the CCP Sheriff’s KIt… Merry Christmas…. The Emperor has no legitimate documents….

    • pat brady

      So Canada, England, Ireland, Italy… all following in Lennon’s footsteps? What nonsense. Suddenly caring for those in need is an evil idea. Giving tax breaks to millionaires though, that’s pure goodness right?

      • George Williams

        Caring for people without a nation going broke is a good idea. Caring for people by borrowing on our children’s future is an evil idea. And there just aren’t enough rich to demonize and strip of their wealth to pay for your ideas. Good intentions aren’t enough. If that that was all that’s needed, poverty would be cured by now. You people never tire of implementing the same ideas, failing, and trying the same ideas, expecting a different outcome. The truth is that the left is full of delusional people who haven’t the intellect to work out the complex measures that effect positive outcomes. Things like Obamacare prove this.

  • JoJoTexas

    The ObamaCare website is just a symptom; we need to focus on the real problem which is InsaneObamaCare – the law. It’s the law, stupid, not the website.

  • Mikal Gastpipe

    Gee, it might be a CO-INCIDENCE, but I posited the VERY POINTS in this article 10 days ago. GREAT MINDS DO think alike.

  • USNMCPOMDVRET

    Only disappointing if you expected more. Ya’ just have to run outside, lift your leg and let the smoke out occasionally!!

  • phillyfanatic

    Blessings of Christmas Bernie. You forgot all the other scandals which varied groups will not forget even if the MSM does. Then too, the Dow and business really is not going to applaud the socialist failures , joblessness, unemployment skuds that Obama has foisted on America. And if there are any common sense voters left in the USA, they too might see Iran, Russia, China, Korea ALL making Obama look like a boy scout in foreign affairs but surely not a CIC. And if the Stupid Party, the GOP , doesn’t kill off its BASE as the Speaker and the DC elites want them too, the Teas, Indies, Libertarians will still come out in 2014 and take the Senate and House for the more conserv Party even if the moderates don’t like it.All of this will add to Obama’s sign as the worse and most corrupt Prez since a combo of Grant, Harding and Carter all together.

    • joepotato

      You must remember, none of this is “Obaba’s fault.” After all he’s just the “post turtle” cult of personality chosen to “lead us” (to 3#LL) by the Bilderpukes who chose him over Hitlery to get us to this point… Hitlery has been chosen for round 2, if they can keep the BSM in control of the sheeple… Merry Christmas… :-(

  • RoscoeBonifitucci

    Obama is a Liar, Fraud, Cheat, Thief and Murderous B@stard who killed American heroes. He is arrogant is not held accountable by the Leftist Liberal Press who promotes his Socialist Agenda…which is based in Marxist Roots.

    Obama and his acolytes hate all things American. He should be impeached and held in Federal Prison awaiting trial for crimes against America and her People. Instead, White Guilt Liberals push accolades upon his totally unworthy persona and try to prepare America for his breach of the US Constitution as he aspires to the role of Dictator.

    He has done more to harm America than any enemy ever has. He splits America along the lines of race, religion, politics, economy, culture and his versions of revisionist history.

    It is time to Impeach this Enemy of the State. He is not just a disgrace, he has broken laws of God and man. He is a criminal.

  • Lc Goodfellow

    Season’s Best to you and yours’ Mr. Golberg,

    A lot of Americans have become so insulated from reality that they
    imagine America can suffer defeat without any inconvenience to
    themselves.

    I have family from 1776+ and each war after that on those ‘Stones’
    around this Great Country.
    GOD Bless America, and God bless its’ people.

  • Paul Vasek

    Agree wholeheartedly, 2014 will be a worse year for the president as millions more lose their healthcare and doctor.

  • legal eagle

    Bernie,

    Let’s hope things get worse in 2014 so that your readers can continue to support this website and help keep Fox News’ ratings up…

    • Quint

      This is the worst thing that you can hope for.

    • http://theromancatholicvote.com/ catholicvoter

      Lord help us, legal eagle is back! What are you doing causing trouble on Christmas, Scrooge? Now you be nice.

    • Lc Goodfellow

      Your breath must be nasty as hell.

    • George Williams

      Since Obama is in power that is an inevitable outcome. The Know nothing community organizer rabble rouser and Republican hater and wannabe president will continue to act the amateur in chief and drag us into economic malaise, while claiming that his new increases in employment numbers (all part time and low wage) are cause for celebration. You can then spend your time explaining why despising Obama is a racial thing and that it is our fault because you think that we’re wishing him failure.

  • Sam

    This is what happens when Democrat lemmings follow blindly without paying much attention to the details. (Republicans do it too).

    • JMax

      “Democrat” is a noun, not an adjective.

  • NHB

    To win in 2014 means the haggarg old kick it down the road REPULICANS need to join the tea party.
    WILL IT HAPPEN? not likely. The country will just go communist.

    Sickening is it NOT?

  • nickshaw

    What’s particularly funny is how the young Skeeter worshippers disparage the GOP as being all old white men and yet, are willing to sign up for a program (not really, we all know it’s just lip service) that they will have hardly any use for (they are part of the invincibles too) and will help to extend the lives of the old, white men (it won’t but, you know what I mean).

  • lark2

    Allow me to set the record straight….. George W. Bush used Drones to help save the lives of American soldiers who would have had to give their lives to engage well hidden enemy combatants. Obama uses the drones because he doesn’t know where to put captured terrorists and he sure as hell does not want to interrogate them .. so he thinks it’s best to simply vaporize them. The innocents he kills are just “collateral damage” . Also, I would like to ask
    Gloria Borger where exactly “voters” got the idea that OBAMA was a competent leader? Where and how would he have acquired this “competence”?

    • Ted Crawford

      I would respectfully submit another reason for not wanting prisoners taken. He is concerned that an accumulation of intelligence gathered from them, even with his milquetoast “interrogation policy(?)”, would expose things he wishes to remain secret!

  • Bruce

    Well said, Bernie! However, can anyone explain the “I’m ready for Hillary” bumper stickers I’ve been seeing a lot of? Sickening would be understating how I feel about this matter.

    • nickshaw

      Maybe they have weapons? ;-)

    • Lc Goodfellow

      Like this ?

      You want to look for them, the new Bumper Stickers
      ” Monica Lewinsky’s X-Boyfriend’s Wife for President 2016 “

    • joepotato

      Soros must have been green lighted to spend money on Hitlery by the Bilderpukes… The fix is in… The deck will be stacked… USA, been nice knowing you RIP…

    • http://theromancatholicvote.com/ catholicvoter

      Already?! Can you imagine folks who are tired of Obama being ready for Hillary? The two have the same agenda for crying out loud! I’m starting to think some people are incapable of learning. Where do you live that you are seeing these vile stickers?

  • nkqx57a

    Mr.Goldberg:

    I believe everyone knows now that Obmacare (ACA) was never about being affordable or taking care of the uninsured. It’s the foundation for socialized healthcare and redistribution of money from the have’s to the have not’s; and the first step to a single-payer government run healthcare system.

    The REAL power should rest with “We the People”, through the Legislative Branch (especially the House of Representatives which holds the purse strings of government); which has been more than just willing to give up that power to the other Branches of Government. WHY?

    When will America finally realize that compromising her fundamental and our Constitutional principles only plays into the hands of the “Progressive Liberals”? Just look at Obamacare, a totally BAD law if there ever was one. Although not one Republican voted for it and it still became law…WHY AND HOW COULD THAT HAPPEN…a corrupt political system?

    What’s happened to our Constitution and its “checks and balances”? It seems that again our Constitution is being ignored and its “Checks and Balances” have been turned OFF. WHY?

    Our government with its corrupt politicians and bureaucrats has drastically strayed from the intent of our Constitution. After more than 100 years of miss-intent of America’s founding “IS” she better off morally, politically, economically, and spiritually; and “IS” anything like Obamacare good for America? (I Think NOT)

    MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY AND SAFE NEW YEAR…
    TO YOU AND YOURS.
    Keep it coming Bernie…you columns are a breath of fresh air.
    Neal from PA

    • joepotato

      By Jove you’ve almost got it… It’s really about Fascism and people control… The ACA has nothing to do with improving ANYTHING… It’s a hoax, a scam and so far they’ve pulled it off… As an added bonus it drives a stake in the heart of the constitution. The Nazis really like that part…

  • legal eagle

    Great to see the Obama haters have not taken a day off.. So much for peace on earth and goodwill to men………Merry Christmas..

    • Jarob54

      Not every American is Christian, but were are all suffering because of this incompetent administration. And no I don’t hate Mr Obama, I just hate the fact he is so incompetent.

      • legal eagle

        We are all not suffering…I know victimization is part of the right wing play book but you should check the stock market before you play victim…

        • chas615

          Lets rephrase, the poor and middle class are suffering. The 1% (the ones obama has vilified) are doing just fine thank you very much ben bernanke! Kind of ironic that the liar in chief’s rhetoric is he is a middle class warrior but the reality is he is destroying the middle class.

          • legal eagle

            You believe that only the one per centers invest in the stock market? I must be hanging out with a lot of very rich people….LOL
            So when things go well you give the credit to someone else and when things don’t go so well you blame Obama?

          • TheOriginalDonald

            IT’S ALL BUSH’S FAULT!-Legal Eagle

          • chas615

            Yes I have. Have you checked the total workforce numbers?

          • legal eagle

            Always dwelling on the negative…If unemployment goes down that’s Obama’s fault…If the economy is doing well…that’s Obama’s fault…If the stock market goes up…that’s Obama’s fault…

          • chas615

            Ya know it may appear that way. I used to be optimistic. Here is the reality, the economy is not doing well ( GDP of 1.5% to 2%) slowest recovery EVER! What is scary is so many like yourself buy the BS that everything is good. The unemployment numbers don’t mean as much when average houshold income has dropped more than 10% in the last five years. Would you be so believing if it were a Republican selling the line that the economy is doing better? I will believe it when the Fed feels they no longer needs to print money!

          • George Williams

            I like the fact that you lefties crucify the successful for praying on the middle class and poor, yet, ironically, are quick to claim that those who appear to be successful in the stock market are doing so because of Obama’s policies. Unfortunately for you, the fact is that stock values are up due to the fact that money is looking for a place other than the lending business, as Obama has kept interest rates at zero. There is more money chasing a fixed number of stocks than ever before, causing the bidding up of stocks. Once Obama’s Fed lets interest rates increase, money will flee the stock market in the overvalued stocks, and move back to interest bearing instruments and stocks will fall. You probably knew this, but that never stops an Obamazombie from misspeaking. After all, he’s got a good example in the Liar in Chief himself. As to the economy doing well, that’s not even an issue, with millions of unemployed or underemployed. Legal Eagle even lies about the unemployment rate. Like Obama, he knows full well about the fact that national worker participation rate is the lowest in decades, and that those who have given up looking for work are left out of the employment rate equation, giving a false indicator of progress, but why should that surprise us? After all, his leader in using this false indicator is Barack Obama himself. Tell us the positives again, Legal Eagle. Oh, well, you’ll only go through the lamentations designed to make us sympathetic to your master. Is that you, Jay Carney?

          • Mark Cragin

            Does anyone else see the irony of O’Bummer railing against the 1%-ers, and calling for “income equality,” when his administration and policies have caused the gap between rich and poor to increase greater than at any time in history?

          • chas615

            The stock market will correct itself soon and our 401k’s will get killed AGAIN! Been there done that! It seems only the very wealthy can absorb the losses when the market goes south.

          • legal eagle

            You’re quite the optimist…..LOL

          • chas615

            Do not confuse being optimistic with being naive. LOL

          • legal eagle

            So I guess one shouldn’t make money in the stock market because it will eventually go down?

          • chas615

            By all means make it while you can. But if thats what you are counting on to retire, look out. Ad long as the fed is buying debt at $75 to $85 billion per month there is money to be made. This manipulation of money and markets can not continue with out grave consequences. Merry christmas to you!

          • legal eagle

            Merry Xmas to you….I intend to make $$ while I can…I thought that’s the goal…LOL

          • chas615

            Obama has done nothing but hinder job creation. He is an empty suit.

          • legal eagle

            Have you checked the unemployment numbers?

          • chas615

            Why yes! How about the total workforce numbers, have you checked them?

          • Mark Cragin

            Please stop being so disingenuous – the general unemployment rate that is published is the very epitome of “cooked books.” It is meaningless as a true measure, since really long-term unemployed and discouraged workers who’ve quit looking for jobs are dropped out of the calculation of the U-rate. These people are as unemployed as they ever were, but they’re not counted as such? What’s up with that?

            As chas615 pointed out, the total workforce numbers are a much more accurate indicator of the health of the economy.

          • legal eagle

            The Walton family has become the richest family in America by paying their workers below poverty level wages and that’s Obama’s fault?

          • Jarob54

            Low skill sets will never command high wages. You are a pinhead.

          • Mark Cragin

            Hilarious – as soon as you realize you’ve lost the argument, you deflect and change the subject to the Waltons.

        • linda garris

          Are you sus?omg,lolll and wth? Victimization belongs and is owned by the left. Who exactly on the right plays the victim? Hmm cant think of one. The left however portrays blacks,gays,planned parenthood,abortionists,welfare recipients min wage workers, felons,as victims,for starters. Im too tired to give the whole list. On the right we stand for 1 &2nd ammendment. Wounded warriors,and christians being slaughtered in the middle east. These re real victims being attacked by leftists. Oh and Israel

          • legal eagle

            How about the Queen of Victimization , Sarah Palin?

          • Mark Cragin

            TROLL ALERT!

        • Jarob54

          And you speak for me, how rich. You should stay off this site, you must not be aware of how much you embarrass yourself with you pompous rethoric. I’ve seen your type all my life. Mazel Tov!

          • legal eagle

            You sound quite bitter…my sympathies to your friends and family…

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          Legal Eagle’s unique definition of victimization is: Anyone who doesn’t like having to bend over for the Obama administration.

          This includes not just those people who’ve been thrown off of their insurance, can’t go to their old doctors, and are being forced to pay much higher premiums… It also includes the Benghazi families, who are still trying to find out answers about what happened to their children.

          Sorry legal eagle… not everyone finds nobility in shilling for a politician regardless of how much damage they’re causing.

          • legal eagle

            Lets not forget those who are the victims of the IRS….

          • Integrity

            The IRS viciously went after my wife once. They were relentless, even after she provided them proof of payment numerous times. It finally took a congressman to get them to back off. Will you trust the IRS so much when Republicans are in charge? I should post some of the threatening letters she received from them. QED

          • legal eagle

            Were your feelings hurt or did you take care of the problem? What does this have to do with “trust”? Was your wife being persecuted for her political beliefs or did the IRS just decide to pick on your wife?

          • T Ko

            In the words of one of our esteemed statesmen, “What difference, at this point, does it make…?”

          • legal eagle

            I wasn’t talking to you….I know you’re obsessive but chill out a little…

          • T Ko

            So, you’re not going to join in the conversation between whoever you so desire? I find that rather hard to believe.

          • Mark Cragin

            You’re the one who need to chill out, dude – this is a PUBLIC forum. Every time you post, you’re talking to everyone. If you want a private conversation, try email or DM.

          • Mark Cragin

            That’s funny, right there …

          • Integrity

            My wife and I are still bitter to this very day, and justifiably so. The IRS threatened to repossess her car, take all of the money from her bank accounts and even have her arrested. They hounded her relentlessly, even after proving to them several times that she made her payment. No political persecution was involved and the POTUS was Republican. Obviously you have not been subjected to the wrath of the IRS or you would not be so callous in your remarks. This has everything to do with trust. If the IRS can wreak this much havoc on honest taxpayers, then what can be done to stop them when the ruling party wants to use their power to destroy you due to your political beliefs. I do not trust either party with this power. You may trust big Government, but I do not. QED

          • legal eagle

            So the IRS demanded payment which was already made? And you did what? Hire an attorney? Speak to your Congressman or Senator? Set up a meeting with the IRS to resolve the problem?
            I have dealt with the IRS a number of times and they’ve never asked me to trust them…you have a problem you seek a solution…

          • Integrity

            You are totally missing my point LE. Perhaps if we had a few beers together, we might be able to understand each other. My feelings are still hurt that you did not come to my defense when someone called me a liberal. LOL & QED

          • Integrity

            I forgot to include some red meat for you. I agreed with President Obama signing the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act. QED

          • legal eagle

            Come to San Diego and I’ll buy the beers…What SOB dared call you a liberal? LOL

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            I didn’t forget them. Mentioned them right up top.

          • legal eagle

            Thank goodness….didn’t want you to miss any Republican victims…LOL

          • T Ko

            Not to worry, there Weasel.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            There are plenty of very real casualties as a result of this administration’s policies, legal eagle. Just because you’ve chosen to act more like the president’s personal proctologist than a concerned citizen doesn’t change that.

          • legal eagle

            There are plenty of “casualties”? Don’t all political decisions have beneficiaries as well as casualties?
            I am quite concerned about NSA overreach as well as lack of DOJ prosecutions of banking executives…As I have said I don’t care what politicians say..I care about what they do…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Oh, there are indeed beneficiaries of Obamacare. Their numbers are just absolutely miniscule in comparison to those who have been hurt by it, and will be hurt by it once it goes into full affect.

            Is there a reason you don’t care about that at all? I would think that even being a loyal partisan like yourself would have its limits.

          • legal eagle

            So by paying more for healthcare one is considered a “casualty”? How about those who will pay more in taxes? Are they “casualties” also? What an absurd use of the word casualty…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Legal, a 33% premium hike as a result of the Affordable Care Act (specifically stated in the letter I received from Aetna) was just the beginning. That was the first Obama lie that bit my family on the ass – the promise that the ACA would lower my health costs instead of increasing them.

            Two months later, Aetna cancelled my plan altogether because they couldn’t make it compliant with the ACA and still make money with it. My individual plan disappeared, which was precisely the goal of Obamacare.

            Obama lied. My health plan died. You can mock that all you want, but it’s the truth and it’s the reality for millions of other Americans. People’s lives are being altered because of this stuff, and as concerned, affected citizens, we have a legitimate gripe. Your hyper-partisan cheer-leading doesn’t change that.

          • legal eagle

            How much was the $$ increase? Percentages are misleading…Your life has been altered? Because you pay more for health insurance? A little hyperbolic don’t you think?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Percentages are misleading? Seriously? And you’re accusing ME of hyperbole?

            Not that it matters (it certainly doesn’t to you), but the initial increase was roughly $200 a month. That was before the plan was cancelled and I had to look for a new one. The next best choice on the individual market was to pay about $350 more than the original amount, a higher deductible, with less coverage that was relevant to my family.

            Now, please go ahead and tell me that I was somehow done a favor by all this, and that I’m being whiny by not being thankful for the awesomeness that is Obamacare. .

          • legal eagle

            John…Can you tell us how you’ve been “screwed over” by the Obama administration?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Since I’ve already answered this question for you numerous times, and you’ve ignored every one of those replies, what would be the point?

          • Mark Cragin

            That’s another troll strategy: keep asking dopey questions, rhetorical questions, and repetitive questions until the target conservative finally says something outrageous that can be used against us on other (usually liberal) sites.

            Example: “You won’t believe what John Daly said on Bernie Goldberg’s site, yada, yada, yada … ”

            I’d have used myself as an example, except that I’m not a Famous Person the invocation of whose name would send send the libs into paroxysms of outrage.

    • lark2

      If you you are a “legal eagle” ….. What in the world do you support ? Are you deaf, dumb, blind or all of the above. Even the most partisan have to have some basis for what the feel … maybe not. Does everything have to be … right wing or left wing?

      • legal eagle

        I support government policies that help people better their lives and I oppose government policies that help special interests. The Obama administration, like all administrations, has its plusses and minuses…It would appear that the vast majority of people on this site only dwell on the negative….Am I wrong?

        • TheOriginalDonald

          Legal Eagle is from the government…and he only wants to help you

          • George Williams

            As they say, the path to hell is paved with good intentions. People like Legal eagle are Obama’s road workers.

        • George Williams

          People like you would never admit it when you side has failed utterly. Haven’t you got the picture yet, we don’t want you nanny state meddling.

          “It would appear that the vast majority of people on this site only dwell on the negative….Am I wrong?”

          LOL! Yes, you are right, Dick Tracey. It is apparent to everyone here (except for Ted, silverfish, etc, and you, of course) that there are no positives to be found for BO. He’s done nothing but destroy any opportunity to expand the economy, including his Obamacare initiative, and caused a terrible decline in our international standing. And (chuckle, chuckle) you want some consideration for the good that he’s done, whatever that is. if you want affirmation of your left wing beliefs, go to a site managed by Bernie Sanders or the communists. Apparently you haven’t noticed, Bernard Goldberg is a conservative. However, I suggest that you stick around, as you are very amusing.

    • Integrity

      Merry Christmas LE! Glad to see you have the Christmas spirit! QED

    • George Williams

      Thank you, illegal eagle, but we’re returning Obamacare, your political persuasion’s idea of a Christmas present. If we could get a nice pair of warm socks in exchange we feel that we could come out on the plus side of the ledger. Merry Christmas.

  • Joh

    We have Democrats to thank for their ability to change the definition of words like “is” and “period”. Now Susan Rice is returning to the head of the firing squad again and declaring a return to the “phony” scandals play. It’s anybody’s guess if their strategy will work because lately it seems the country is more concerned about the ramblings of Duck Dynasty than those of Barack Obama

  • Dennis

    It is quite amusing to watch the kool aid junkies wake up to the reality of their Messiah. It is as if they have been looking at a leopard for the past six years, a leopard they loved and saw through starry-eyed blindness and thought was beautiful and perfect and could do no wrong and are now discovering, for the very first time, that the leopard has spots. And, these same kool aid junkies are mad at the leopard because the leopard didn’t tell them he had spots. It was obvious to anyone who wanted to see them that the spots were there all along but the libs loved their kool aid, loved the leopard and chose to ignore the spots and now they are upset about the leopard having spots.

    I remember the first time I heard Obama say, “if you like your insurance you could keep your insurance, period.” I literally started laughing. I knew perfectly well that he was either lying, a fool or, quite likely, both. And I wasn’t thinking about private policies. I was thinking about employer provided health insurance. Employers have been looking for a reason to get rid of this too costly benefit, just like they did defined benefit pensions, for at least the past 15-20 years. The real bright side is that Obama is turning traditionally liberal 20 and 30 somethings into conservatives.

    Yes, 2014 will be far worse than 2013 and I am looking forward to it.

    • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

      Well stated. It’s absolutely maddening that these are the people who are supposed to be protecting the public by challenging the powerful. Instead they reduced themselves to screaming, slobbering Beatles fans for our president’s first five years in office.

      And most of them are ready to jump right back on the bandwagon as soon as the next big political story hits.

      • D Parri

        JD, you correctly characterized them…Obama-zombies.

        Here’s my shot at it…Hussein-Insanes.

    • legal eagle

      Typical right winger…..Hope for failure and denigrate success….tough way to live one’s life?

      • Stimpy

        Legal Seagull … and exactly what success are we talking about?

    • linda garris

      Im worried abt 2014. How will those who lost ins get it back. Gop must scrap aca. Will ins companies be able to reinstate policies. Look im no lover of ins co.,ive seen people with ins screwed royally. I worked for a co whose job it was ,is to make sure denials by bc bs stand up. A Dr(makes me sick) owned the company,and they had a ft lawyer to make sure they didnt get sued. A mom paying $700 a month for a med that worked to give hsr son an appetite was turned down by bc,because she didnt follow protocol of meds. So she was paying out of picket. My outbursts of frustration got me fired after a month. Something must be done. But aca screws everyone. My dr is still going to see me for now. I think hes hopping these pitiful reimbursements get overturned. 30$ to a neurologist? Are you kidding

  • pupster40

    The un-ACA should be the true title of the “ACA” aka “Obamacare”. This whole bebacle known as a TERM in OFFICE should be renamed THE REGIME. That would be a huge step in the direction of TRUTH.
    The best Christmas present he(it) could give us is Impeached & Prosecuted.

    • D Parri

      Amen, say it again!!!

      • D Parri

  • Ted

    The Target security screw up may be linked to the Oblameacare security mess to cover the later.

  • Brhurdle

    For those of us who are not President Obama fans, there should be no solace in reciting what we see as failures. The Democrats have different evaluation parameters and can delude themselves into believing that these were either successes or failures due to Republican obstruction. The only solution is to defeat them at the ballot box.

    • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

      It sure seems that any initiative that acts as a disincentive for Americans to be self-reliant is a victory for liberalism.

      • Ted Crawford

        I am constantly saddened by the fact that so many people equate the policies of the current Democrat Party and specifically the Obama administration to “Liberalism”! They are not Liberal, as a recovering Democrat (40 years clean and sober) I can assure you these policies are distinctly Progressive!
        My evaluation of Progressivism is that it’s a composite of many of the more egregious tenents of, several Leftist Ideologies! Even the most extreme, we believed at the time, policies of Liberal Democrats such as Mondale, Humphrey, and Kennedy would be considered Conservative or at least Moderate, compared to the policies of the current Democrat party!
        I left the Democrat Party over 40 years ago, but it took the Progressives, specifically Obama to push me all the way to the Republicans!

        • JMax

          You’ve exposed your own lie. There is no such thing as the “Democrat Party”. There never was and there isn’t today. It is the “Democratic Party”. Says so on their website and on their letterhead.

          If you had ever been a member, you would have known the correct name of the party.

          • Integrity

            Just another lie on their part. QED

          • Mark Cragin

            You have it exactly backwards it IS the Democrat party. Try saying this sentence to see how silly it is to claim otherwise: “This just in: a group of Democratics were seen searching for their azzes because they could not distinguish them from a hole in the ground.”

          • JMax

            Try this sentence: “The Democratic Party is made up of Democrats.” Then go out and find any poster, website, letterhead, platform or anything else published by Democrats that uses the term “Democrat Party”.

          • Mark Cragin

            I understood that was the original name of the party, and that contemporary Dems don’t like it. To my way of thinking, that’s the best reason for using “Democrat.” :-)

          • JMax

            You understood wrong. The party has NEVER called itself that and it is widely regarded by Democrats as an epithet used by the party’s opponents.

            Surely Rethuglicans get much glee from showing their ignorance.

          • Mark Cragin

            Ha! I’ll make a note.

        • D Parri

          Congratulations, TC, and just be aware that you have an excellent support network!

  • Buzzeroo

    P.T, Barnum’s observation that there is a sucker born every minute was proven accurate by the plethora of them that it took to REELECT Obama..after his unsuccessful, habitual lying, totally incompetent, haughtily arrogant–hence ignorant performance in his first disgraceful term.
    The only thing that he brought to the table for his initial candidacy was his big glib mouth and his color which shielded him from investigation lest any potential journalistic investigator be deemed racist. History has shown that he lived DOWN to his lack of experience,and ability to govern and excelled only in rabble rousing which was and is his only forte.
    By ignoring reality and foisting him upon the nation a second time proves that the majority of the electorate is nothing but rabble.
    Apparently all of his foreign policy and domestic business foibles never penetrated the thick skulls of our ‘great unwashed’ but NOW they are getting bitten in their backsides-where their brains reside–via his disastrous medical insurance debacle which will cause them to take another look at their original mistake regarding him and the pack of idiots like Pelosi and Reid who back him. Our last and only hope is that they give them their walking papers in 14 thereby tying the miscreant president’s hands.

    • Lc Goodfellow

      Here’s a guy that came out of nowhere, an African-American senator who had accomplished nothing, had no experience, somehow hypnotized millions of people into voting for him and then gets into the White House and it’s the first time we’ve ever seen anything like this:
      an amateur in the White House.

      • Sheila Warner

        He isn’t black. He’s biracial. That’s what really kills me. It’s supposed to be taboo to the hard core liberal blacks that a black man would be with a white woman, but because it is the President, he is celebrated. (Referring to his background, not his own marriage) Every time I hear a liberal crying racism because “he’s black”, I chuckle. Whatever, liberals, whatever! I don’t see him as any particular color–he’s my President and he is doing a bad job as President. I take no pleasure in that. I want my country to be strong.

  • Drosack

    Hobama Choom needs a good ass kicking.

  • floridahank

    Everything will continue to go downhill for Obama — negative momentum is hard to turn around. Many Dems will definitely be doing things to protect themselves for reelection. This is a great time for the GOP to go on the offensive and kick out the weak Dems. I only hope that the GOP gets together and doesn’t shoot itself in the foot as they usually do.

    • Ted Crawford

      With Conservatives(?) such as John McCain refering to fellow Republicans, as “Whacko-Birds”, in the Liberal Media no less, and Mitch McConnell calling for the boycotting of Private Businesses that have been long time supporters of the Conservative cause, things are very shaky ! Perhaps it’s time to Primary those we can and institute re-calls against those off-cycle rebels!

    • Stimpy

      Can we at least put up a decent candidate this time to get rid of Harry Reid?

  • Florida Jim

    I enjoy Bernie’s role with O’Reilly but I get the feeling Bernie thinks O’Reilly is arrogant sometimes and I think Bernie is about to say something contrary to O’Reilly’s wishes but Bernie restrains himself and returns to fight another week. Two big personalities competing for the same audience , interesting and enjoyable.

    • Ted Crawford

      For the past serveral months, it seems to me that Bernie has been on-board with McCain, McConnell, RNC, and O’Reilly! NSA or IRS a possible factor?

  • Gradivus

    “Ironically named”? Yes, but “Orwellian-named” would be more accurate.

  • brickman

    The rollout’s security falls in between Amazon and Target.

    • Stimpy

      You are unfairly impugning Amazon.

      • brickman

        Amazon is having some rollout problems of their own.

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          I’m not sure you understand that a “rollout” is.

  • Luis

    I think the employer mandate has now been postponed until 2015.

    Having said that, I think Obama is licking his chops, like a predator in the thickets, waiting for another “white moment” in order to promulgate his gun-control schemes. Only this time, it’ll be different, because it’s a mid-term election year, and many Democrats in the U.S. Senate races will be leery of signing on to anything that remotely smacks of gun-control legislation.i

  • WiSe GuY

    What did you expect, from the moron, 0bama?

  • Brian Fr Langley

    Bernie I thankyou for your blog and the truth that you bring,
    every article posted I’ve learned a new thing,
    in all that you do,
    A Merry Christmas to you,
    as we pause for a day to remember a King.

    Merry Christmas to you and yours and a heart felt thank you for your good work.

    • Bernie

      Thank you, Brian. Much appreciated.

      • legal eagle

        Happy Holidays Bernie….Great work on Real Sports…Amazing how terrific the show continues to be after all these years…Congratulations.

        • Lc Goodfellow

          Ah ! Crow take a Hike.

          • legal eagle

            ????

          • Jeff Webb

            Sheesh! The guy was being sincere, Lc.

          • Lc Goodfellow

            Sorry, re-read the post and think about it.

            Like we said in Korea “… gets some time in … and we’ll talk ….” the crow is not one of the better trolls on the net.
            Like the mouse said as he ran across the mirror,
            ” It’s all in how you look at it ”
            Try to have a nice year.

  • Thewryobservator

    Based on past experience, the way things have been going, then what you’re saying is the Democrats will be taking the House and gaining in the Senate come mid-terms.

    • Ted Crawford

      That will clearly be the final outcome if McCain, McConnell and The RNC prevail!

  • gold7406

    Super. It may come as a shock to the administration,but Bernie is spot on. The best years of this administration is behind them. What a shocking thought for the demosphere. The disaster called aca, may have indicative of everything this administration has done heretofore, but this one we get to experience first hand,because so many people were involved.

  • sjangers

    If I had just one wish for the President in the new year it would be that he learn how to tell the truth. I know it probably wouldn’t be very good for him politically, but it would be good for America.

    We’ve become so cynical in the past couple of decades that I don’t know how we’ll ever get to the point again where we believe what our leaders are telling us. But in order to make the kind of sacrifices for the greater good that will be required of us to clean up many of the messes we face today, we’ll have to believe that we really understand the choices we’ll make.

    I don’t think now that very many of us have confidence that we do know where choices will lead or that our leaders will do their best to protect our interests. We’ll need to take responsibility for making sure that we do elect leaders next year who, more than anything else, will be truthful with us, who will follow through on their commitments, and who we can trust to look out for the country instead of narrow partisan interests.

    Best wishes to all for a peaceful holiday season, full of opportunity for quiet reflection that helps renew your spirit.

  • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

    Happy Holidays, Bernie!

    • Bernie

      Thanks John. And a very Merry Christmas to you.

  • Brian Fr Langley

    I had a son who was nearly grown,
    now all that’s left, is only bone,
    it seems his only error,
    was walking by a man of terror,
    when Obama killed him with a drone.

    • Guest

      I was content to just give you a down vote but, unfortunately, one must be signed in. So instead I will respond to you. We have a saying, once applied to my son who was “just” hanging around in a group of boys doing mischief, although he was just watching,
      “Oy l’rasha, Oy l’sh’cheno” “Woe to the wicked person and woe to his neighbor.” They all got punished.

      Terrorists rely on hiding behind woman’s skirts and innocent children, so they can be protected, but really putting innocents in harm’s way is against the Geneva Convention. Terror relies on sneaking in and out and not fighting the fair war. Those civilians that are so unfortunate to live among terrorists should string them up and throw them out. Otherwise they are complicit with their actions. Nevertheless, I’m sure that the military, under all US presidents, has shown, if anything, an inordinate amount of concern for innocents. I criticize Obama, but I will not criticize these efforts to keep our troops, Americans, and the general region abroad safe.

      In response to your comment below, the same book that prohibits male sexual intercourse, also permits one to kill when there is a danger to one’s life. Thus, even the most innocent of all, a fetus that is threatening the life of it’s mother, is allowed to be killed, to preserve the mother’s life. How much more so is it permissible, that these “innocents” that have freedom of association and choose to associate themselves with the most murderous of people have in fact made their lives forfeit.

      Yet, we have another saying, “one who saves one life saves the whole world.” It would, indeed, be better to be able to save them but there are other lives at stake. Would you choose?

      • Brian Fr Langley

        You are (tragically) morally confused. The English common law doctrine of self defense (which allows for a pre-emptive strike) is not about “the ends justifies the means” and neither are the tenets of the Bible. Biblically speaking, right is right, and wrong is wrong, and you don’t find it on the sliding scale, “of the ends justifying the means”. In fact the history of American jurisprudence holds the saying, “better 10 guilty man go free, than 1 innocent man go to jail”. In the moral concept of “the ends justifies the means”, all liberty is lost. To quote another old fashioned American saying “Americans who roared like lions for liberty, now bleat like lambs for security”. That the strong and powerful have a right to take even the life of the weak and powerless, (for their peace of mind) tells the terrorists the one thing they should NOT be told. Their behavior is morally justifiable.

        • Guest

          You were talking about Bible not”English common law, I answered you from that perspective. Don’t bring in the Bible if you don’t want to discuss that and this isn’t about “ends justifying the means”(which I did not talk about but must have conveniently fit your argument) but about the Bible, about which you are “confused”, and unfortunately, you guys who talk about “king”(in your post to Bernie, have been for centuries.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            You must not have read my post? I am totally willing to discuss the Bible? I pointed out that Biblically speaking, right and wrong are fixed (as opposed to sliding) principles. It is not a document that supports “the ends justifying the means”. While you didn’t say that, your argument clearly implies that. How else can you justify killing an innocent bystander? If you boil it down to it’s essence, you are arguing that the strong have the right to kill the weak for their own ends. There is neither a Biblical doctrine, or a common law defense doctrine that would support this type of immorality. Only deluded and (highly politicized) folks could arrive at such a conclusion.

  • Brian Fr Langley

    I note the drone strikes that on some occasions kill “innocents”, rates barely a sentance? Does the fight against terrorism really come down to murdering innocents is simply unfortunate collateral damage? I mean the left and their media acolytes screamed bloody blue murder over water boarding? Now murdered innocents only get a mention from a Rand Paul? No wonder the world no longer looks to America for moral leadership. It appears that in America, morals are in short supply. What do we hear on mudered innocents? Deafening silence. Yet quote a Bible verse that implies sodomy is immoral, and the outrage reaches the skies?

    • thomas1

      Innocents routinely die in war. Remember World War I and II?
      Complaints fron terrorists fall deaf on some because they also kill “innocents.”

      • legal eagle

        The right wingers are now worried about killing “innocents”? Now that’s irony at its best……LOL

        • Brian Fr Langley

          Now legal, here you go again? Right wing does NOT equate to evil or immoral? Just because your point of view is not the same does NOT render an opposing one evil. LOL

          • legal eagle

            My remark was sarcastic….Did the “War on Terror” end the day Obama took office? I was pointing out the hypocrisy…

        • thomas1

          I don’t think think the left or right are worried about innocents in the greater scheme.

          I believe a Democrat got us into Vietnam.

      • thomas1

        Put another way, I don’t believe it’s the US military policy to target civilians–unless they’re assisting Al Qaeda.

    • Stimpy

      How many innocents died in the 9/11 attacks? Terrorists almost exclusively kill innocents. Our fine military does what it can to avoid killing innocents — they don’t, as you imply, deliberately kill non-terrorists.

      • Brian Fr Langley

        Actually they do. You need to read a little more. They are frequently knowledgable about innocent bystanders. In fact at least one was known to be the young son of a terrorist and an American citizen. Since when is it legal to kill Americans without trial, (by the Executive)? PS Yes terrorists kill innocents, that’s why we call them terrorists, and not Presidents of great Republics.