Memo to Obama: Sooner or Later Reality Matters

PinocchioSenator Tom Coburn, the Republican from Oklahoma who has more sense than most of his colleagues in Washington, has a guest column in the Wall Street Journal running under the headline, “The Year Washington Fled Reality.”

Here’s his first sentence:  “The past year may go down not only as the least productive ever in Washington but as one of the worst for the republic.”  I can think of a few years that were worse – the years of the Civil War, the Depression Years, the Vietnam and Watergate years immediately come to mind.  But we get the senator’s point.

And there is one part of his column that I think truly captures the sorry state of how business was conducted in 2013 by one particular charismatic politician in Washington. Here’s what Senator Coburn writes:

“The culture that Mr. Obama campaigned against, the old kind of politics, teaches politicians that repetition and ‘message discipline’ — never straying from using the same slogans and talking points — can create reality, regardless of the facts. Message discipline works if the goal is to win an election or achieve a short-term political goal. But saying that something is true doesn’t make it so. When a misleading message ultimately clashes with reality, the result is dissonance and conflict. In a republic, deception is destructive. Without truth there can be no trust. Without trust there can be no consent. And without consent we invite paralysis, if not chaos.”

He’s right, of course.  President Obama misled us, at best – and lied to us at worst, in order to get his healthcare reform through Congress.  Mr. Obama is a politician who too often confuses campaigning with governing – he’s very good at the former, not so much the latter.  You get the impression he says what he has to say to win over the crowd — because he’s confident he can. But, as Senator Coburn says, without truth there can be no trust.  So now more Americans distrust Mr. Obama than at any time in his presidency. His deception got his signature piece of legislation through Congress, but he’s paying a price for his “success.”

But President Obama isn’t the only one guilty of “message discipline” – he’s not the only one who seldom strays from slogans and talking points.  This is the bane of opinion pundits and commentators too, especially on cable TV and talk radio.

This is how it works:  liberals don’t like conservatives, so they find anything and everything to ridicule the enemy, to marginalize and delegitimize the other side, while ignoring their own team’s mistakes.  Conservatives are no better.  If President Obama picks his nose on the golf course, it gets the same attention on talk radio and on some conservative TV shows as if he personally dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Neither side can say a good word about the other side.  It’s against the rules.  It’s giving aid and comfort to the enemy. No, talk radio and cable TV didn’t create the polarization that is tearing this country apart. But for all the good they do – highlighting news that old media tend to play down, giving voice to people who would have no voice in the so-called mainstream media – opinion radio and TV sure made things worse.  They speeded up the process of division.  So now, conservatives only want to hear what other conservatives have to say and liberals only want to hear liberals.  Neither side really wants to hear opinions that might make them re-think their entrenched views.  All we want today is to nod along as someone on radio or TV validates our firmly held biases.  It’s “safe” inside the echo chamber.

And the non-stop bashing of the other side, to use Senator Coburn’s words, creates “dissonance and conflict.” It undermines trust. It’s destructive. That may be good for business – and it is! — but it’s not good for America.

President Obama, in 2014, needs to learn the difference between campaigning and governing.  It won’t be easy for him.  Charisma – especially when deployed to win over “low information” Americans may work for a while.  But sooner or later reality matters.  And then, all the charisma in the world won’t save a smooth politician who has lost the trust of the people who once adored him.

As for the pundits who think because they have a national audience they must have something important to say: They need to shut up every now and just listen.  They might learn something. And that goes for this humble pundit too.

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  • DavVictor

    Mr. Goldberg,
    You forget that there is a sitting president who is a back-stabbing liar. Blame both sides if you like but when your neighbor slaps you once you learn to duck the second time; even throw something back!

  • MarioG

    Message discipline was a technique successfully used by Joseph Goebbels, Minister of Propaganda in Hitler’s regime. As an ex-liberal just recently escaped from the East Coast bubble, Bernie, like his buddy, Bill O’Baxter-O’Reilly must assuage their consciences by somehow mentioning that “both sides do it”. We can believe them that both sides do it, or our own lying eyes which indicate differently.

  • buckrodgers

    Liberalism has always been an illusion that doesn’t matter to an individual until it affects them personally, ask most Americans if a women should have the right to have an abortion and they will say yes. then ask them would they want their child to have an abortion and they will probably say no, ask a feminist if a women should be able to compete with men in the PGA and they will say yes, then ask them if men should be able to compete with women in the LPGA and they will say no, the same goes for the military, ask a women or man for that matter if women should be allowed in the front lines along side the men and they will probably say yes, then ask them if they say yes to the first question would they be in favor of every women being required to register for the draft and be put on the front lines so men can stay home, I’m sure a lot of men would say You Go Girl, while a lot of women would say no, their a big difference when what you say it’s ok for somebody else as long as it’s not me, a lot of people are finding out that it really does matter, when the illusion becomes a reality and it ends up affection you, Watch What You Ask For Because You Just Might Get It or The Grass Is Always Greener On The Other Side Of The Fence are time tested quotes that a lot of people seem to truly believe.

  • Tova Feinman

    I love Bernie’s cogent style but the posts on this site today have devolved into a slur infested food fight. Have at it folks. I doubt this was what Bernie was hoping for when he wrote this column.

  • Coolarrow

    4.2 BILLION $ per year has been dished out by the IRS to illegals claiming dependents who are not in the US. Their own Inspector General, Russell George, has gone on record and recommended this robbery stop place, but Harry Reid blocked legislation that would have stopped the abuse of the additional child tax credit. What I find interesting is that this story is being hidden by liberal media outlets and only lightly covered by conservative ones. Why is this not headline news? Did you know that a bill was passed by the house to stop this, but Harry Reid would not even let it come up for a vote in the house because he stated everything was working fine? I bet most people do not know about Reid refusing to at least give the senate a chance to debate this.
    The problem to begin with is the ITIN (Individual Taxpayer Identification Number) department in Austin, TX. Since illegals don’t have a valid SSN (even though they always work under fake one or someone else’s) the government back in the 1990’s created the ITIN dept so illegals could do taxes. That is the only purpose of the ITIN number and since its creation illegals have found a loophole in the additional child tax credit. To solicit an ITIN number for dependents (children) the department requires that either a passport or in its place a birth certificate, school record, medical record, shot record can be substituted. The problem is all of these documents are foreign issued and not one single piece of proof that these kids are here in the US residing at the same address of the taxpayer is required. These dependents are usually listed as nieces or nephews and live in Mexico. I have even seen people from Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras and Nicaragua claiming Mexican children as dependents. We thought at the beginning of last tax season that clients would not be able to claim kids who are not here. We had heard that the IRS would send a letter to illegals using dependents with ITINs asking for proof those kids are here before issuing their large refund, but that didn’t happen at all. Everyone got their money with refunds averaging between 5 and 10 thousand dollars. How hard would it be to send a letter asking for proof before just simply giving away more money than most Americans get in refunds?
    The question of whether it’s the responsibility of the tax preparer or the IRS to determine eligibility of dependents has been brought up. Some IRS agents have questioned whether the kids meet the presence test and of course they don’t, but it someone comes in with ITIN numbers doesn’t that mean they have already be pre-qualified to do taxes? Shouldn’t the ITIN department be the ones who ask for proof those kids are here? They certainly make a lot more money than tax preparers do. I have actually called the IRS to ask if we should process these returns and their response was that if those dependents had received ITIN numbers then they are ready for taxes and we can go ahead and file.

    The real question is why has this not made major headlines other than Fox a month ago at http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/22/irs-pays-illegal-immigrants-while-stalling-tea-parties/ and back in 2012 at http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/22/illegal-immigrants-could-reap-more-than-7b-in-tax-credits-this-year-senator/ ? The person credited with this discovery of theft is WTHR Indianapolis reporter, Bob Segall, who did a 12 part series in 2012 at http://www.wthr.com/story/17798210/tax-loophole-costs-billions

    I have thought long and hard about why this story has been hidden by the mainstream liberal media and my conclusion is that it would make the IRS look incompetent and no would trust them for Obamacare. I don’t think this was a mistake by the IRS, but instead it’s intentional. There were several cases where several illegals used the same address and got millions. For example, one Atlanta address had 23,994 separate illegals using it and receiving 46 million dollars in bogus refunds. The Blaze did a story on this at http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/21/irs-sent-46-million-in-tax-refunds-to-23994-unauthorized-aliens-all-at-the-same-address-in-atlanta/ So there’s not a computer program available to red flag more than a reasonable amount of people all claiming the same address? Of course there is.

    Was this allowed to happen to serve as a bribe so that when Obama grants amnesty the Democrats will get 11 millions votes on their side? This travesty has to do with immigration and I think illegals to even be considered for amnesty need to pay back what they’ve stolen.

    I dare you to dig deeper and find out what no one is really talking about

    • Factchecker

      The “bill that was passed by the House to stop this” that Harry Reid would not let come up for a vote was none other than the Ryan Right Wing Social Engineering budget which among other things like repealing ACA, Medicare, Medicaid while bloating the defense budget also incorporated the language of HR 1956 Refundable Child Tax Credit Verification Reform Act which died in committee.

      • Ted

        And the irony is that the Ryan budget is a budget and not a bill to create job etc.

      • Coolarrow

        I was actually referring to H.R. 556 which was passed by the House of Representatives repeatedly and would have required dependents used on tax returns to have SSNs instead of ITIN numbers. It would have saved American taxpayers 24.4 Billion$ over the next 10 yrs. Harry Reid said the system is working fine and refused to let it come up for a vote. The worst thing about this fact is that very little people know about it. My source is http://watchdog.org/112941/illegal-irs-checks/ for any follow up investigation. If you try to say this does not happen I can tell you without a doubt as a Spanish speaker who does taxes for illegals that it does. It’s mighty lofty of you to call yourself “factchecker”. I wasn’t aware one single person has a monopoly on all information in existence and knows the correct answers to all questions and quandaries.

  • Wheels55

    So, if Obama waives his magic Executive Order wand and does away with the individual mandate, will voters forgive him and his when 2014 and 2016 elections come around? Will Republicans jump up and down about not following the law (they should, but may look bad doing so)? Will the Supremes rule against Obama?

  • worker1950

    Mr Goldberg nailed it – The President is an expert with presentation but a failure at substance. His Administration keeps placing young inexperienced, mostly women, in positions that require wisdom garnered by years of experience. Does anyone believe ‘Marie Harf’ has the experience and the where-with-all to be explaining America’s foreign policy to the world. Surely, the President and his advisors could have found a RESPECTED, Democratic statesmen to fill that position.

  • T Ko

    It is apparent that the best of one world for the Obama supporters would be to not face any opposition and have the Congress, administrative staff, electorate, and leaders of foreign powers to not only go complacently along with the POTUS’s agenda, but to always say nice things about him, his policies, and his vision for the New World Order.

    In order for that to operate as it appears he has planned, it will require that there be a ‘fundamental transformation’ first of this nation, and ultimately the higher goal of a World Government.

    For those who are Believers, Lord help us.

    • Ted

      What a gifted mindreader you are. And paranoid too. Whew, how do you sleep at night with this knowledge of what’s to come? Never forget that just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re coming for you!

  • keith hart

    Dear John,

    My understanding of website security is limited to mild disinterest. Afterall, it’s not my name on the top of the website banner.

    Does the responsibility of this website’s security really fall to the burden of just one guy? Is there not some automated security system that can be implemented?

    I suggest you re-consider lifting the ban on IHF. He comes and goes on this website as he pleases. He stays on for as long as he likes — hours. Spare yourself all that egg on your face.

    Although, I really don’t care.

    John, I’ve given this more than a little thought. I’ve been back-n-forth about this: No, let it go, don’t rock the boat. No, let a cheap shot pass — you’re short changing every one.

    I don’t care about your Front Range pansy plaintive throwing your family and friends at me on a ‘special day’.

    You have a job to do — then do it. It doesn’t matter what day it is — or relinquish the job. You cheap shot me like that — you can count on me calling you on it.

    You like the status, the prestige, “John Daly>>>Author”. Then do your job.

    And who the hell are you to say Mitt Romney is a ‘bit of a phoney’ — it’s so obvious you’re ass kissing leftist butt with that one. He has more moral fiber — more character — than you’ll ever know. You just try standing up in front of a hooting crowd.

    I can see why these northeast counties want to secede. You aren’t Wyoming, yet.

    • IHF

      Keith have you met Deborah The Cat Lady?

      • keith hart

        I hate censorship.

        • IHF

          So, you prefer that I can call you a di*ksuc*ing SOB and tell everyone that your mother and Ted are bangin’ each other’s head off…without recourse? Then let the vulgar flies fly!

          • keith hart

            is that where you live?

          • IHF

            Welcome.

          • keith hart

            You ever hear of reverse English? Put twenty on the table. How ’bout Pirc Modern?

          • keith hart

            go wait?

          • keith hart

            Dullards all, bye.

    • Ted

      Sheesh! Cleansing breaths!

      • keith hart

        In Miami for 2 days. Geez, south beach is somethin’ Goin’ to Key West, see what I can see. Then back home to Tortola.

        • Rod Swallow

          That she male in the shoe — that was you?!

          • keith hart

            Moron, stay out.

          • Rod Swallow

            Eat kitty litter dildolips

          • keith hart

            Heh, heh, heh. that’s it moron

          • Keith Fart

            You will eat those words Fart Boy

          • Ted

            Are you at all related to Heywood Juhblome?

      • legal eagle

        I thought you were going to clean yours some day. Guess not.

        • Ted

          Huh? You did know that I was replying to Mr Hart?

          • keith hart

            Moron, ted. Character not politics prevails. Speak honestly in a open forum. and hope your martial art prevails. You have no idea where I’m coming from; but, I believe L.E. does.

          • Ted

            Do I understand your post correctly that you’re calling me a moron?

          • T Ko

            No, a hopeless moron.

          • T Ko

            No, a worthless moron.

          • T Ko

            Who gives a f*ck?

          • Ted

            Who gives f*’k about whether you give a f*’k?

          • T Ko

            Wow, almost original…but that would take a brain. Sorry!

            Ted, the IDIOT merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!

            BTW, I don’t give f*ck if you a f*ck, or two f*cks, or…you get the idea.

      • T Ko

        Yep, you need a bunch!

    • D Parri

      K, I don’t mean to pry, but was there some bad exchange between you and JD?

      I notice that you mentioned IHF, and I know that he has posted under another identity–many times. I believe that is what he did to me just recently, and it got me locked out until I notified JD.

    • legal eagle

      The question I have is whether any right wingers have ever been banned for being abusive?

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        Yep.

        • IHF

          Name one

        • IHF

          Don’t be dickless. Name one

          • Ted

            Being insulting, and I’ve guilty of it too, obscures an otherwise cogent message.

          • IHF

            I don’t think “yep” is a response do you? My first response was simply “Name one” and Daly unceremoniously deleted it. So I reposted it and made it a bit stronger

          • Ted

            Yep. Seriously though and in all fairness your question was posed in a yes or no fashion? Reread your question and see? Nowhere was there a mention of who got deleted?

          • IHF

            Legal Eagle asked the question. And I think it was a good question (one which I asked a short while ago when they were threatening to banish Legal Eagle, and of course their response was to unceremoniously delete it without comment). Fair enough if you think “yep” is a sufficient answer. If not then perhaps you and Legal Eagle should ask the question and maybe you will get some kind of a response. At least Daly won’t delete you.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            The truth is that a number of “right wingers” have been banned from this site. The difference between them and IHF is that the others don’t come back. They come to this site, post something reprehensible, we ban them, and then we never hear from them again.

            I could go back through our blacklist to find you user names, but in most cases they only posted one or two messages before they were banned. They weren’t regular posters.

            To my knowledge, only two regular liberal posters have been banned, since I’ve been here anyway – IHF and Phil Silverman – and both of them more than earned it.

          • T Ko

            John, I have found no alternative approach to LE & Ted except to do the same as them. It will get old after a while, but at least until then maybe they can get a taste of their own medicine. Sorry to you and the other good people who post here.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Just a heads up to everyone. If the only objective of people’s posts are to call another posters names, those posts will be deleted. Thanks for understanding.

          • T Ko

            John, in all honesty, I want to hold my hand up because I am guilty of that.

            I will refrain from that practice from here forward, and I would politely request that you simply delete those posts that I’ve made which were clearly intended for that purpose.

          • Ted

            I’m not sure I can adjust and will miss today’s recent spate of unusually well reasoned posts. Good luck changing old habits.

          • D Parri

            They are at it again…Ted, IHF, and Weasel. I will respond, but it is only going to be a trading of insults. Very pathetic.

          • Ted

            So, you wrote the insulting crap you wrote and then you “run home to daddy” when someone calls you on it?

          • T Ko

            Just to let you know, I don’t intend to continue here. Appreciate your help, John, good luck.

          • Ted

            Way to “man up” and try to blame me and others for the decisions YOU’VE made to write the 2nd grade nonsense YOU chose to write!

          • IHF

            Only 2 liberals have been banned? Out of how many liberals that post here? 5?

            Here are a few quotes from this very article you might consider deleting:

            “JMAx the volunteer gay baby killer who after his stint runs to The United Church of Gay and prays that homosexuals be allowed to rule the kingdom of heaven”

            “There’s a new Moron alert. My question is why do these gay Liberals think this is a place for them? LOL The reality is they are Homfascists they WANT to be heard by golly”

            “I believe Obama has led a kind of make-believe life; one as Barry Soetoro (citizen of Indonesia, may be Kenya.) and the other as Barrack Hussein Obama (Citizen of USA, maybe not);”

            “Ted, the IDIOT merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!”
            “Legal Weasel, the IDIOT merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!”
            (for that matter TKO’s entire bibliography, even though he is doing it as a public service to keep the liberals occupied so that all the other right wingers can carry on their Obama hate-fest unimpeded

            No regular right wingers that you know of that need to be banned? Here are a few distinguished right wing scholars for your consideration: Bert Perlutsky, Keith Hart, TKO, Deborah G, Joe Potato, Donald Youngs Revenge, Nick Shaw. Here are a few keywords you might use to guide you: Soetoro, HUSSEIN, Skeeter, Zullo, Taitz, illegal, illegitimate, New World Order.

          • D Parri

            So, when did Hussein Obama change his name? Why is everyone on the left so reluctant to use his real name?

            Why does Hussein cause so much embarrassment to himself and others?

          • IHF

            And you were complaining about the low standards of this website? Listen up. His name is Barack Hussein Obama. Not Barack HUSSEIN Obama. (Read: Barack HUSSEIN ILLEGITIMATE AFRICAN MUSLIM Obama). Capiche?

          • D Parri

            Do you understand f*ckhedd? I don’t give a flyin’ rat’s as* what you think about HUSSEIN, The Muslim African, Obama’s name. CA-F*ING-PICHE?

          • IHF

            Sheriff Daly?

          • D Parri

            Ask Sheriff Daly if you have a question for him.

          • IHF

            Are you smoking crack or are you just in a drunken stupor?

          • Ted

            You use Hussein Obama as some kind of slur and then convincingly play stupid. You’re kind of a female version of Ann Coulter or Michele Malken, aren’t you?

          • D Parri

            I’m not a female version of anyone. If you want to trade insults, go for it as*hole. It’s all you seem to be any good at.

          • Ted

            Interesting that your post with the word as*hole in it passes muster and has not been deleted? I’d generally considered the word asshole even when it’s spelled with an asterisk ala as*hole to be off limits. Evidently, as long as you’re an extremist rt wing nut it’s permissable? Were it not for dbl stds the moderators here would have no stds whatsoever.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            One more time for the slow crowd: If you see an objectionable post, flag it. That’s what the site’s moderators look for.

          • Ted

            Flagging posts is the moderator’s job and not my style to request. I was however making the point that my post immediately below Parri’s post appears to have deleted while Parri’s was evidently missed to give the benefit of the doubt.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            >>Flagging posts is the moderator’s job

            Nope.

            >>and not my style to request.

            Then don’t complain about it if we don’t catch it.

            >>I was however making the point that my post immediately below Parri’s post appears to have deleted while Parri’s was evidently missed to give the benefit of the doubt.

            Flag the posts that you think cross the line and moderators will see them more easily. That’s the point of flagging.

          • T Ko

            If you had a cogent message. You need a brain for that, though.

      • IHF

        Counselor Eagle, no doubt you would not accept “yep” as a response in a courtroom where you were questioning a witness. You and I both know that no right winger has ever been banished from this website. Come on bro you are better than that. Nail this turkey.

      • T Ko

        Once you piss them off and they give you a taste of what you dish out everyday, then they cross the line and John bans them.

        Your strategy is working Weasel. I hope that you, Ted, and JMax all get into one big circle jerk and put each other’s eyes out.

        Or maybe drown on your own filth.

        • Ted

          Classy as always.

  • T Ko

    Obama has no purpose but to campaign.

    He’s not a good leader, he’s not a good role model, and he is definitely one of the worst presidents this nation has ever had.

    But he can sure sell a heck of a lot of insurance policies. Oh…but it does help if you can get a Dem-majority in the full Congress to pass a law requiring every citizen to buy that insurance. Everyone except the POTUS’s buddies, of course.

    • Deborah G

      Like I said he’s the worst WHITE President we have ever had. Now we need a real leader like Ben carson.

      • Ted

        Ben Carson couldn’t lead a patient into his waiting area let alone lead a nation.

        • Deborah G

          Right the head of Pediatric Neurosurgury at one of the 5 top hospitals in the world is someone you can even hope to get 1/10th as smart or respected as that. you can’t stand an uppity black guy can you. Typical liberal . FYI Pediatric Neurosurgury is considered the most difficult of all medical services and he was #1 in his field. yup you’re a real genius you are.

          • Tim Ned

            Deborah,
            I like Ben Carson a lot as well. Highly intelligent and since you bring up his name, perhaps a person of his experience is best suited for the presidency since health makes up so much of our economy. The medical device industry seems to be a shinning light in our economy and some one like Dr. Carson may be the right person for the job. However, he may be to smart to put himself through the grief he would have to endure in a presidential campaign.

            Good suggestion!

          • Deborah G

            MAYBE he is exactly the right medicine for this sick country. Not a Political ideolog just a smart, common sense man who seems to have the courage to do whatever comes his way. You know being a doctor takes a lot of inner fortitude. My Dad was a Doctor, my husband is a doctor and those two are real Heros. They are used to leading with integrity, they follow their oaths seriously and never try to scam the system, making tough calls for the best possible outcome and have the grace to know they aren’t God. Something sorely lacking in Obama and Hillary

          • legal eagle

            I see the right wing cultists like Ben Carson..A nice respectable homophobic guy who smiles and says whatever Fox News tells him to say…Excellent POTUS material.

          • T Ko

            Spoken like a true Obama-Zombie, pis*head.

          • T Ko

            Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!

          • Sheila Warner

            Back in 1994 or ’95 (can’t remember which semester) I was in nursing school. My class had the extraordinary privilege to hear Dr Ben Carson give a presentation on neurology at our local community college. His brilliance, coupled with his humility and compassion just blew all of us away. Our instructors were amazed by his abilities. What an inspiration he was! Those who go after him know not a thing about him. He is a decent and capable man.

          • Deborah G

            Lucky you. I’d pay to hear him speak I think he is absolutely an amazing man.

          • legal eagle

            I’m sure he’d be happy to take your money just like O’Reilly, Beck and Mark Levin….

          • T Ko

            And wouldn’t you, you fart in a snowstorm.

          • legal eagle

            Ben Carson may be a great neurologist. What does that have to do with him being homophobic or making idiotic comments about how government works…

          • T Ko

            Ok, who says he is homophobic, dikkhed?

          • Sheila Warner

            Wasn’t talking to you.

          • legal eagle

            Carson, the longtime director of pediatric neurosurgery at JHU, had previously offered up a “sorry — if you were offended” style non-apology for his interview with Sean Hannity. In that appearance, Carson said that opposite-sex marriage was “a well-established, fundamental pillar of society and no group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA, be they people who believe in bestiality — it doesn’t matter what they are. They don’t get to change the definition.” He later went on to blame the resulting controversy in part on “racist” white liberals who wanted to keep him on a “plantation.”
            The sage thoughts of Ben Carson…

          • Sheila Warner

            Still wasn’t talking to you.

          • Ted

            So, why would I give two craps about his hard rt political views? As great political minds go, he’s not one of them. For a politician he’s apparently a pretty good Dr. Got it! If he really wants to “Do no harm” then the very least he should do is STFU.

          • Deborah G

            You really hate success don’t you/ You seem to be angry at anyone who is respected and accepted.

          • Ted

            Nope, just hard core and ad populem ( you can look it up later) ideologues.

          • T Ko

            Ok, then SHUT THE F*CK UP!

        • tim Ned

          Really; is this your professional; educated; and informative commentary on this brilliant man? What’s your opinion of me?

          • Ted

            What do I think of you? I think you’re a “winter” whose favorite color’s blue. Close?

            Seriously, you’ve proffered some well reasoned posts including facts which on this site I never see from the hard and often freaked out connedservatives. With this group merely not liking or knowing the facts is enough for them to deny them. And they do! Repeatedly. Keep up the good work!

          • T Ko

            And you are a mindless two-year old. You have no class and a horrible style.

          • Deborah G

            I don’t know about Teddie boy”s opinion about you but mine thinks you are absolutely fine. LOL

        • T Ko

          You aren’t qualified to lick his bootstraps, dummy.

    • Ted

      I was ‘t sure. So, you’re saying you don’t like him? As long as W’s being considered Obama can’t possibly being below him or Harding.

      • T Ko

        Obama’s ok, it’s you who is worthless.

      • Wheels55

        Obama is ranked below W. At least W has some values he did not betray. Obama will sell his kin to get what he wants.

        • Ted

          And W sold his views of the Iraq for $ trillions, 3,489 KIA, 33,000 WIA and More than a 100,000 dead Iraqis

  • Deborah G

    Since every decision Obama has made is wrong and Harry Reid obstructs decency in kneww jerk reaction to anything put before him that doesn’t include 59% of America then what you have is simply morons running the nuthouse.

    • T Ko

      It’s kind of amazing that we’ve survived a Dem-Congress and POTUS at the same time.

      • Ted

        Hell, you survived W and Dick Cheney (before he dicks you) didn’t you? You’re playing w/ house money. This admin’s been a piece of cake plus the economy just keeps getting better, doesn’t it?

    • Napoleon the XIV or XVI

      They’re coming to take me away haha
      They’re coming to take me away hoho
      To the funny farm…heehee haahaa hoohoo …

      • Deborah G

        My guess is a name change here pretty obvious now try again. BTW? Enjoy the ride .

        • Napoleon the XIV or XVI

          Hey Cat Woman! You love cats and hate people?

          • T Ko

            Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!

        • Napoleon the XIV or XVI

          You enjoy the ride — on your Daly Dildo

          • Ted

            Easy Nappy. Don’t wanna give short French guys a bad name. :-)

          • Deborah G

            I thought you guys oinked those lttle french guys

          • T Ko

            Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!

      • T Ko

        Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!

    • Ted

      Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!

      • Deborah G

        LOL is that the best you can do Bobbie? Come on I expect better than that from you or is your Alzheimers kicking in?

        • Ted

          Sounds like you’ve forgotten how bad your Alzheimer’s is?
          Then again it could be senile dementia or OBS? You decide.

          • Deborah G

            Sorry I was responding to anopther post.

          • Ted

            C’mon, be honest! For you responding to an idiot is when you’re alone and talking to yourself.

          • Deborah G

            Teddie teddie Teddie you sound like my grandsons, but there is hope when they could actually hit their mark they got pullups, You are almost there Keep trying. Once the got their pull-ups they started acting like real men. There’s hope for you.

      • T Ko

        Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo! Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!

    • Ted

      Good thing raging Boehner and Mitch the biotch aren’t the sensitive types or their feeling’s would be hurt.

      • T Ko

        Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!

  • Ted

    Maybe if the cons didn’t kneejerkedly obstruct and oppose everything he wants to do then he wouldn’t have to take his case to the people in hopes they’ll pressure the con pols for him. Since he’s termed out the term “campaigned” is a misnomer. Of course, I’m sure there are a number of people here who fear that somehow Obama will declare himself king for life as they’ve told me. I think of that whenever I need a good laugh.

    • Tim Ned

      Basically you want everyone to shut up and go along with this president even though they disagree with the basics of his agenda. So we should have shut up when he went for the single payer health care system?

      • Ted

        I expect them to do what they get paid to do and that’s govern, not play partisan
        politics. I don’t expect them to shut down the go wasting $24 billion in the process and then refusing to authorize $4 billion in unemployment benefits to help the jobless. The cons also could’ve paid for that by cutting farm or oil subsidies. Of course then what would Michelle Batsh*t Bachmann do to make up that $250,000
        That she berates the Gov for giving to people. If she had a conscience she could give that and her Medicare and Social Security back. Yeah, like a good hypocrite she won’t.

        • T Ko

          Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!

      • T Ko

        It is apparent that the best of one world for the Obama supporters would be to not face any opposition and have the Congress, administrative staff, electorate, and leaders of foreign powers to not only go complacently along with the POTUS’s agenda, but to always say nice things about him, his policies, and his vision for the New World Order.

    • T Ko

      Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!

  • Ted

    And hopefully the Dept of Justice will review all of those new voter suppression laws in red states speaking of abrogations of the Constitution that the Obama critics hypocritically claim they’re against. Particularly when the incidence of voter fraud is .0004% I.E. virtually nonexistent. So, disenfranchising voters is fine but God forbid the President do what his critics actually want him to do and that is to delay any part of the bill he authoresd–the ACA. Pfffft!

    • Deborah G

      We don;t want him to delay it we want it to be called dead and bury it. It is a disater now and its effects will absolutely ruin the eonomy for the next 30-40 years .

      • Ted

        Don’t hold your breath waiting for that to happen………No, do!

        • T Ko

          Ted, please hold your breath!

          Ted, the IDIOT merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!

    • T Ko

      Ya’ jus’ can’t say it enough times…
      Ted, the IDIOT merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo! Ted, the IDIOT merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo! Ted, the IDIOT merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo! Ted, the IDIOT merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo! Ted, the IDIOT merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!

  • SkyCitizen

    Bernie, I think Jimmy Carter put it best in a 1976 campaign brochure, “Our whole system depends on trust. The only way I know to be trusted is to be trustworthy. To be open, direct and honest. It’s as simple as that.” Now we have a political party and media that defends the antithesis of this. The Democrats are going to ask again for our trust in 2016. Fool me once……

    • Deborah G

      I truely believe Jimmy Carter was a good honest man just a terrible President

      • SkyCitizen

        As I understand, he still is.

        • Deborah G

          I had the pleasure of meeting him when we helped build a house for habiate . He was right there nailing and spackling. I think he was just to decent for Washinton. He didnt have the bloodlust. We went with a group of Conservative[yes those awful Capitalists that think of no one but themselves lol} In fact there wasn’t a SINGLE volunteer from any liberal group except ONE college student who was apolitical.

    • T Ko

      How about “Fool them twice, three times…a charm!”

  • Brad Ghorn

    One of Obama’s biggest deceptions is that he is somehow a champion for the middle class. What has he done for the middle class? I honestly cannot think of a single thing he has done for the middle class.

    I think sometimes people are too wimpy when it comes to political discourse. I think that it is a good thing when people who disagree with each other discuss their disagreements. Democracy is about disagreement and even about arguing. It is not about unity at all. Tyranny is about unity. Intelligent disagreement is better than unintelligent disagreement, but debate is much better than silence.

    • Ted

      Interesting how the Obama critics seem to have very selective memories. Well, please allow me to assist you: One of the first things Obama did and which he campaigned on was he gave 98% of Americans a tax cut. Remember when your side demagogued him with allegations of wealth redistribution when he was talking to Joe (I’m not really a journeyman plumber) the Plumber? Sure you do. What’s ironic is that when W’s tax cuts for the rich (which resulted in adding a mere trillion $ to the national debt) they were called “job creation”. But when the tax cut went to the middle class it was called “socialism”. Hmmmmm.

      • tim ned

        You must be referring to the Payroll Tax Credit and the Temporary reduction in social security taxes which expired. Some cuts came in small business as well. Some expired and some still intact. I am weighing that you are not calling the tax for those in the middle class without health care a tax. Prior to SCOTUS ruling it was sold as a penalty. During the sell to SCOTUS it was a tax. Since SCOTUS ruled as such than this is the largest tax on the middle class in history. Taking in account the other taxes from the affordable health care act it is definitely the largest tax increase in history. I haven’t looked it up but if I recall the tax cuts invoked by Bush were across the board and still in effect for those under $250k? Obama increased the tax on those over that amount.

        • Deborah G

          Don’t confuse a liberal with facts it makes their heads spin. Common sense instead of silly idol worship is hard to combat. The reality is you have the education and the insight to know the difference as most of us do. Liberals just twist the truth conservative or Middle of the road people just speak it,.

          • Ted

            Good to know! Whew! I shudder to think where the country would be without back patting self admitted paragons like you? God bless you!

          • T Ko

            Ted, the IDIOT merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo! Ted, the IDIOT merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo! Ted, the IDIOT merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo! Ted, the IDIOT merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!

          • Ted

            I’d state the obvious and say that you’d lost your mind however that would imply that at some point you’d actually had one. Res ipsa loquiter.

          • T Ko

            You need a mind to recognize one…and brother, you just ain’t got it!

            Ted, the IDIOT merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!

          • Ted

            Who said you weren’t eloquent?

          • T Ko

            You said something?

            Ted, the IDIOT merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!

        • Ted

          No, my computer’s down but I recall a different tax that he instituted upon entering office for 98% of Americans. And you’re right the Bush tax cuts were across the board however when everyone gets say a 10% cut and you’re a billionaire, 10% is a helluva lot more to the billionaire and a bigger hit to revenue than it is if one earns 50k?

          • T Ko

            Ted, the IDIOT merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo! Ted, the IDIOT merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo! Ted, the IDIOT merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!

      • Deborah G

        Try being educated those are two entirely different sets of tax issues,you are comparing apples to oranges. Being uniformed is funny but don’t expect anyone to listen. Its just silliness. FYI? OBAMA”S “trillions” are way more than any other president ever. And yes OBAMA”s are Scoialism and Bush’s are not. America doesn’t like Socialism as you libs will find out

        • Ted

          Boy, are you gonna hate learning this. Of the Obama trillions to which you vapidly refer, I assume you’re talking about national debt? Did you forget or were you simply ignorant of what the price tag for W’s two unfunded, unbudgeted wars, W’s $800 billion Medicare Part D bj to Big Pharma and the Bush tax cuts for the rich that added another trillion $ to the now $17 trillion debt? A tax cut that did not create any jobs but was simply pocketed by the 2%. So much for trickling down. And yeah, I’m aware that Obama extended the tax in exchange for unemployment benefits. It’s what’s known as statesmanship and we hadn’t seen any since Clinton. If you need to be revived, I’ll wait. I don’t expect you to be able to admit that which you didn’t even know about. But wait, there’s more! The price tag was $5.07 trillion dollars all of which was on top of the $10 trillion national debt disaster W left us. Note: Here’s where you’re putting hour fingers in your ears and yelling, “La la la la la, I can’t hear you!”

          So, should the truth ever have meaning to you, Google it and see? So, yeah Obama gets “credit” for adding two trillion to the debt. However, while in office he’s cut it from the W’s $1.4 trillion deficit to $642 billion per the CBO for 2014 like he promised to do. And here’s one more unpleasant factoid you won’t like. Reagan quadrupled the national debt during his two terms. Maybe that’s why Cheney said,”Deficits don’t matter”. They do of course but only when a Dems in office.

          • Deborah G

            Nope Statisticians call you uniformed I can tell you what we call your numbers………very professionally it is called “fuzzy math” Bush spent too much? but the war was funded by a Democratic Congress. Forget that part?

          • Ted

            Funny how you’re trying to call me uninformed but can’t even spell it! Perfect. What’s next trying to call me “stoopid”? All right take your can of whoop
            ass like a “man”.

            Re: Without question Iraq was W’s war and no amount of wishful thinking on your side’s part changes that. In fact, W and Cheney told the world hundreds of times that Saddam was linked to 9/11 and a threat to us which was untrue or as your side loves to describe things, a “lie”. The problem was we all believed what W and Cheney told us hence Congress approving it. Also, it was an election year and no Dem pols or con pols wanted to be seen as “soft on terror”. Americans wanted someone’s ass kicked and typical of us, didn’t much care whose ass it was. Bottom line and what destroys your argument is that without W pushing and hyping the war it doesn’t happen so yeah it was his war. And his war which was fought on credit card. Iraq was also the first war that had a tax cut instead of a tax hike.nkeep trying!

          • Deborah G

            Typical lib whe you atart to lose you start pointing out those really really bad typos. LOL here’s the facts Jack., The Congress which was Democrat heard the same exact INTEL from all of our Allies that this is what was happening. To this day you avoid the fact that the WMD’s were shipped right over the border to Syria with NAVY video foortage as proof. Next It was a terrorist attack, Saddam wasn’t a choir boy. and the roads pointed in that direction. We got rid of a heinous Islamic bully. YOU don’t know what the Miltary knows. They supplied the intel as well as france and the UK with other allies agreeing. You always want the Worlds approval and GW went before congress and even Hillary made a speech supporting it. As for Obama? He a coward and abdicated our strength to Putin. He is the laughing stock of the world but you libs make him your messiah. Good for you./ let’s see how that works out for you.

          • Ted

            You’re completely and partisanly full of it! Stop reading those insane sites like WND to get your “facts”. And no, you don’t get to make up crap like in Benghazi because you wish it were true. First of all W’s own CIA told him unequivocally that there was no link to Saddam and bin Laden and that there were NO nukes or other WMDs. Period. Then you say “you don’t know what the military knows?” What? And you do? What a fatuous argument devoid of any logic whatsoever.

            You say there’s a Navy video of WMDs going to Syria? Bullshit! But ok, then provide a link to that video. We both know you can’t and that you’re just spewing a desperate, extremist, wishful thinking narrative supported by no facts as a way to exonerate W from the biggest foreign policy disaster since Vietnam.

            And then when the bogus WMD story fails you absurdly change the subject to “Saddam’s a bad guy” and “Islamic bully”? He’s not even a Muslim and you didn’t even know that so UNINFORMED are you? And when that nonsense goes to sh*t, you vilify Obama. How many wrongheaded wars has Obama gotten us into? And you say he’s a coward? So who got bin Laden in 3 yrs when W couldn’t get him in 7 and who got rid of Qaddafi w/ no blood spilled or expense because the Libyans agreed to pay us back the billion we spent there. nd closed the CIA’s bin Laden task force office? Way to run home to mama like a typical ideologue nutbag. When you’re cornered you change the subject and cut and run. Atta boy!

          • Deborah G

            Just read what the story said they claim ONE reported was there talking to the terrorist. LOL Right and they stopped to be interveiewed. What moron wouyld believe that nonsense. Second Trey Gowdy debunked every single aspect of the NYT propaganda advertisement in support of HIllary’s ossible run. Getting ahead of the negativity of her actions. OR LACK of Action. What difference does it make now anyway? Well if it makes no difference why do you still try and change the dialog? Because it makes Hillary accountable

          • Ted

            Nice but predictable job of cutting and running from the truth and the facts I listed. So, exactly when will you be supplying that nonexistent link from the Navy showing wmds going to Syria? Ah, never! If you had an ounce of integrity and even two functioning brain cells you’d admit you’re full of it. Of course anyone who’s Mrs Dr plays by a different set of rules known the Hypocritical Oath. An oath you’ve assiduously lived up to!

          • T Ko

            Ted, the IDIOT merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo! Ted, the IDIOT merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!

          • T Ko

            Ted, the IDIOT merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!

          • T Ko

            Ted, the STOOPID merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!

          • T Ko

            Ted, the merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo! Ted, the merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo! Ted, the merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!

          • T Ko

            Under W, the national debt increased less than 4T. Under Hussein, it’s already doubled that amount.

            Ted, the IDIOT merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!

      • Sheila Warner

        Yea, that extra $66/month was a real godsend. Especially when gas prices were rising, and the cost of food followed suit. Man, were we ever rich!

        • Ted

          Sounds like you kept the handout didn’t you? Say you don’t know Batshit Bachmann do you? She does the same thing and that is to whine about it but keep the cash. What you do speaks so loudly I can’t hear what you say.

          • T Ko

            Ted, the merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo! Ted, the merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!

      • T Ko

        Ted, the merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!

      • T Ko

        An implemented the largest tax hike in U.S. history. Obamacare hits the middle class harder than any tax ever before.

        Ted, the IDIOT merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!

    • Deborah G

      Great post!

  • PaleAle

    Bernie, your point reminds me of the story of a little old lady who had a reputation for always finding something nice to say about even the most despicable characters in town. When finally the town drunk died, everyone turned out for the funeral just to hear what she would say about him. Everyone hovered close when she filed by the casket & stood momentarily as she contemplated what to say. Finally, she said; “Well… he had nice teeth.”

  • wildjew

    Bernie Goldberg wrote: “Neither side can say a good word about the other side. It’s against the rules. It’s giving aid and comfort to the enemy….”

    This is a good point but it also misses the point. Those who believe President Obama is a dishonorable man; a liar who ran with racists, anti-Semites, PLO activists, jihadists ( who sat in a racist church listening to anti-American, racist, anti-Semitic sermons for twenty years), etc., are not going to say a “good word about the other side.” We aren’t going to say a good word about Barack Obama or “his (Obama-supporting) side.” But for me, a non-partisan conservative, I rarely say much good about my side. I largely blame George W. Bush and his lies following the 9/11 attacks for the rise of Barack Obama. I blame the Bush and the Republicans for squandering eight years in the White House. It is against the rules for me to say a good word about lying; “period.”

  • rbblum

    Reality matters? Not necessarily . . . . How about reviewing the rise and fall of the Roman Empire (in which it could be argued that reality actually set in upon the fall of the empire).

    • Lc Goodfellow

      “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.”
      Do not blame Caesar, blame the people of Rome who have so enthusiastically acclaimed and adored him and rejoiced in their loss of freedom and danced in his path and gave him triumphal processions. Blame the people who hail him when he speaks in the Forum of the ‘new, wonderful, good society’ which shall now be Rome’s, interpreted to mean: more money, more ease, more security, more living fatly at the expense of the industrious. ”
      — Marcus Tullius Cicero
      Downing down of America. 1969 till now.
      I don’t wish to live in a third world nation.

    • wildjew

      You don’t think lies are a big part of the demise of every great empire? Have you read the Bible?

      • Ted

        Yeah, maybe but W’s been out of office for 5 years so why re litigate that? It’s closing the bar door after the horses are gone.

        • wildjew

          Is yours a rhetorical question, or do you really want to know?

          • T Ko

            He never wants to know…it’s a requirement of his to keep his head in the…well…sand.

  • T Ko

    Actually, I have found that collapsing any post by LE doesn’t lose anything worthwhile in this forum…even if there are posts beneath his by others in a specific thread.

    The reason why is because LE is intent upon diverting the conversation towards something irrelevant and everything that follows is based upon that. Great diversionary tactic, Legal Weasel!

    None of his comments are worth responding to, but they are always designed to get a response. This is his tool in trade.

    • Deborah G

      There’s a new Moron alert. My question is why do these gay Liberals think this is a place for them? LOL The reality is they are Homfascists they WANT to be heard by golly

      • Ted

        Calling your posts “moron alerts” is redundant. Sorry.

  • Lc Goodfellow

    legal Seagull,

    Ya’ll hear the one about the preacher on the train and the big mouth drunk ?
    Seems the drunk wanted to hear some of that church talk.
    Those ‘Thee and Thou” kind of words.
    After many minutes of pestering the preacher he finally looked up at the drunk and with a smile said to the drunk,
    ” Brother get thee seduced ! “

  • floridahank

    Obama has resurrected the Rube Goldberg era. He’s implementing a machine, contraption, invention, device, or apparatus For Obamacare. Obama has put into progress a deliberately over-engineered or overdone machine that performs a very simple task in a very complex fashion, usually including a chain reaction. We should rename it the Goldbergcare and let everybody understand what’s going on — give everybody a laugh between tears.

  • Gloria

    Liked your article – one exception. You suggest that in 2014 he (obama) “needs to learn the difference between campaigning and governing”. C’mon Bernie! You think that he does not already KNOW the difference? This campaign mode style IS his method of governing. He dictates, and the rest of his congressional sheep carry out the program to fundamentally transform this once great country into HIS dream of what America should be. He does not need the lesson when what he uses is already working so well. So what if his popularity declines, so what if the trust evaporates? He is obtaining his ultimate goal and the devil can take the minor detail of opinion polls. Like Hillary said, “What difference does it make”? The pres does not care how he gets us there, as long as he gets us there. Reality only matters when it is his reality and that , my friend is what we now have.

    • legal eagle

      Thank you for your repetition of Fox News talking points….perhaps you should spend your time helping your neighbors instead of hating Obama and Hillary…
      By the way, your Hillary quote is out of context..but you know that already..

      • Tim

        Fox news talking points or honest observation?

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          Legal eagle considers honest observation (or any form of independent thought for that matter) to be the same as Fox News talking points.

          In other words, if you’re not parroting what’s being read off of MSNBC teleprompters, you’re repeating Fox News talking points.

          • Tim Ned

            John, I think you and I both know the objectives of the legal eagle and his crowd; certainly at the top of the list is to diminish Fox News. Why anyone needs to diminish free speech in America is beyond any reasonable rationale. I certainly don’t agree with most of what comes out of MSNBC and some with Fox as well. But I support MSNBC’s existence. There is no doubt there are more conservatives on Fox and Brit Hume as stated this on several occasions. And the question is so what? But in the end what is sad is a guy like legal can’t deliver the issues he has with Fox, it’s all about the liberal agenda. I have friends that are liberal and they say the same thing. But you know what’s interesting, if you ask them directly, they’ve never seen Fox News! All of them! So the interesting question is where are they getting this monolith statement about Fox?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            I think we all know that Fox is the only news networks that features more conservatives than liberals. “So what?” is the correct response.

            Really, taking into account that twice as many Americans consider themselves conservatives as do liberals (according to national polls), one could make the argument that Fox better represents America than all of the other news networks where liberals greatly outnumber conservatives. Right?

            Maybe one of our liberal friends could weigh in with their thoughts on that.

            And you’re also right about Fox haters never actually watching Fox. I’ve noticed this quite a bit actually. Their only experience with the network comes from clips on the Daily Show and so-called “conservative media watchdogs” on the Internet.

          • legal eagle

            I like Fox News…it’s like watching WWE wrestling…phony debate, no cross examination , no offer of proof, predictable recitation of Frank Luntz talking points…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            We both know you don’t watch it, man. You don’t have to keep offering proof that I’m right.

          • legal eagle

            My wife will vouch for me…she sometimes asks me why I’m watching this garbage…LOL…I actually find O’Reilly to be interesting, at times,, when he’s not ranting about race or religion…

          • Tim Ned

            Then why are you using the same old sad story of liberals throwing Fox (faux) talking points in everyone’s face? The only people I know that do this (trust me I know many) have never seen it before. I don’t believe you in an instant. I believe you are probably a big reader of moveon.org, thinkprogress, and of course your favorite, MSNBC. Bill O’Reilly has Colmes and Juan Williams on just about every night. Any time he renders a political opinion, as he does in his talking points, he brings in people from the other side to critique his talking points. Shepard Smith has the best one hour of news on TV. Do you really think he and Sean Hannity are political allies? And Frank Luntz, I can’t recall the last time I have seen him on any of the Fox programs I watch. But then again I don’t watch much. and you liberals got to quit pointing to Hannity and Limbaugh. If you believe this is what is wrong with American and that they need to go then you need to get rid of 90% of the MSNBC staff. But that’s not the case. You want to shut them up because you don’t agree with them!!!

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            He clearly doesn’t watch it. If he did, we wouldn’t react with total ignorance every time someone on this website references a story that is being widely reported on Fox.

            And as you’ve pointed out, his representation of the network through a MoveOn.org caricature exposes the truth as well.

            Nice try, legal eagle… but no one’s buying it.

          • tim Ned

            I agree.

          • legal eagle

            Believe me…I don’t need to sell it to the ideologues on this site…and I don’t give a crap whether you believe me or not…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Sure you do. Otherwise, you wouldn’t have made it up.

          • Sheila Warner

            Frank Luntz is more likely to be on Hannity than any other Fox show. I don’t like Hannity, so I rarely watch his show. There is much to choose from on FNC, from liberal to conservative to independent to hard news.

            I was an avid msnbc viewer during the 2008 Presidential campaign, and it bothered me that msnbc would talk over any speech John McCain gave, while letting then Senator Obama’s speeches be heard in their entirety. I wanted to hear John McCain speak for himself. I left msnbc and have never looked back. FNC has opposing views and it lets people speak for themselves.

          • tim Ned

            Sheila, Joe Scarborough reported that when Obama won the first election that the news room at MSNBC stood up and cheered. Need we say more.

          • Sheila Warner

            Nope. ’nuff said!

          • legal eagle

            Frank Luntz has a very successful PR and polling firm. He doesn’t have to appear on a show for his work to be used….

          • JMax

            I think legal eagle will back me up on this: Juan Williams appears only on Monday nights unless he is subbing for BO. Colmes is only on Tuesday nights and BO barely let’s him speak an entire sentence before calling him a clown or a lefty loon. This is fair and balanced?

            BO’s MO is to try to force his guests to agree with him. If they don’t, they are stupid or lefty loons, or he cuts their mike as he did a couple of weeks ago.

            How would I know this if I wasn’t a regular viewer?

          • Tim Ned

            Well you obviously watch O’Reilly much more than me even though you are agreeing with me that he has opposing views on his program. Now let me bring you out of the ozone layer. I never opinionated O’Reilly’s culture, performance, or behavior. What I was addressing was the constancy of many liberals who throw in the conservatives face “Faux” or “Fox taking points” any time they have an opinion that differs from their own. I have never ever thrown the MSNBC or Moveon comments into the face of my liberal friends because they differ with me. I believe they have the right to be wrong.

          • JMax

            I would qualify that by saying he has guests with opposing views but BARELY allows them to present them and calls them loons when they do.

          • Sheila Warner

            Not true. He interviewed an atheist about the Times Square billboard, and he did not interrupt that person. (That atheist was opposed to the billboard, not the one that helped sponsor it, who O’Reilly interviewed the following week). The atheist made his case for atheism and why we don’t need religion in the public square, and it was a respectful conversation. Of course they disagree, but the atheist was cogent and polite. O’Reilly wants robust debate, and if a person doesn’t wander off into the weeds or start spouting talking points, he lets them explain a position.

            Does O’Reilly interrupt often? Sure he does. That is his style. Guests know that before they go on. O’Reilly demands no-spin analysis. Lots of folks don’t get what that means. He is harshest to guests who speak the way le does.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Juan Williams and Alan Colmes are on O’Reilly’s show once week, but they’re on other Fox News shows on a daily basis. O’Reilly has multiple liberals on his show every night to debate issues.

            I stopped watching Hannity a while back, but I’m pretty sure Frank Luntz hasn’t been on Fox News in a long time. I never thought his little popularity-meter gimmick was of any use.

            >>BO’s MO is to try to force his guests to agree with him. If they don’t, they are stupid or lefty loons, or he cuts their mike as he did a couple of weeks ago.

            Ridiculous. That’s a Media Matters’ caricature of the O’Reilly Factor, and proof that you don’t watch it.

          • JMax

            No, I watch O’Reilly every effing night of the week, proving that I DO watch it. You apparently don’t. He had Carville on tonight and said (paraphrasing) “Carville, you HAVE to agree with me that this report is flawed.” He kept on insisting this, barely letting Carville to respond. He does this all the time. He does it to Colmes and Williams and Powers. He used to do it to Bob Beckel but I gather Beckel said “F you” and decided not to put up with that s**t anymore.

            “O’Reilly has multiple liberals on his show every night to debate issues.”

            Really? Besides Carville, what liberal did he have on tonight? Ingraham? Krauthammer? Kelly?

            Luntz works for CBS now.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            When someone defends the indefensible, as Carville did by not even conceding that the report was at least “flawed”, there’s nothing wrong with a little no-spin berating. They’re adults they can take it.

            My contention isn’t that O’Reilly isn’t overbearing at times. He absolutely is – and not just to liberals as you saw with Kelly tonight. The idea that he’s always name-calling his guests for not agreeing with him is absurd. And your assertion that he cuts mikes left and right is even more absurd. As he said himself, it’s happened like 3 times since he’s been on the air – and he did it a couple of weeks ago only because the guy was filibustering and not responding to questions.

            Howard Kurtz is the liberal you forgot.

          • JMax

            What was indefensible? Bill O’Reilly saying the report is flawed based on NOTHING does not make it flawed.

            O’Reilly claimed that the Pentagon (he said “Pentagon” twice and then repeated it a third time) issued a report connecting Ansar al-Sharia to al Qaeda. The actual report was an August 2012 profile compiled by the Federal Research Division of the Library of Congress, NOT the Pentagon. Furthermore, the quote in no way connected al-Qaeda to the Benghazi attack. The full quote that O’Reilly didn’t use is:

            “Ansar al-Sharia, led by Sufian Ben Qhumu, a former Guantanamo detainee, has increasingly embodied al-Qaeda’s presence in Libya, as indicated by its active social-media propaganda, extremist discourse, and hatred of the West, especially the United States.”

            He claimed that the fact this “Pentagon” report was not included by the author or his editors was “an amazing lapse of reportage”. Not mentioning a sentence that does nothing to add to the reporting from an obscure report by an obscure federal agency (not the Pentagon) is an “amazing lapse of reportage? No, it’s a desperate reach to try and discredit a well-researched investigative report.

            There MAY have been flaws, but these aren’t.

            You are embellishing what I said about BO.

            Howard Kurtz is not a liberal.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            >>What was indefensible?

            A reporter issuing a conclusion that ignores the testimony of high-ranking members of the intelligence community and a number of witnesses who were there that night, for starters. Is that not enough for you?

            >>Howard Kurtz is not a liberal.

            He absolutely is.

          • JMax

            There is no evidence he ignored any such testimony. He did interview people who were there that night. From his interviews, he drew a conclusion different from others.

            Howard Kurtz is not a liberal. Do you have anything he has said or written that would support your assertion?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            >>There is no evidence he ignored any such testimony.

            Other than failing to mention it or factor it into his rationale? That’s kind of the definition of ‘ignoring’, isn’t it?

            >>He did interview people who were there that night.

            Yeah. Anti-Western Islamists. Why didn’t he interview the witnesses who work for our government?

            >>Howard Kurtz is not a liberal. Do you have anything he has said or written that would support your assertion?

            Other than listening to him and hearing his liberal sensibilities come out in his work?

            I’m not trying to accuse the guy of wrongdoing. I’m just saying that it’s clear in how he analyzes the news and media that he’s a liberal at heart. If you want some specific examples of why I believe that, here you go:
            http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/11/04/kurtz-why-late-night-comics-rib-romney-more-obama-just-not-easy-ridic
            http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/08/14/howard-kurtz-paul-ryan-ticking-time-bomb
            http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matt-hadro/2012/08/06/howard-kurtz-shouting-reporters-model-decorum-compared-cursing-romney-ai

          • JMax

            What witnesses who “were there that night” testified that the attack involved al Qaeda? How would they know that simply by being there?

            What evidence do you have that he only interviewed “Anti-Western Islamists”? Because the were Muslims?

            Newsbusters. LOL. The first two links are by the same guy who apparently doesn’t like something Kurtz said about someone the author likes. Poor examples. (The third link 404s.)

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            >>What witnesses who “were there that night” testified that the attack involved al Qaeda?

            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/30/completely-false-sources-on-ground-in-benghazi-challenge-nyt-report/
            http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/times-ignores-evidence-al-qaeda-link-benghazi_772386.html

            >>What evidence do you have that he only interviewed “Anti-Western Islamists”?

            That’s the only eye-witness testimony he cited… not because they were Muslims but because they admitted to being involved in the attack.

            >>Newsbusters. LOL. The first two links are by the same guy who apparently doesn’t like something Kurtz said about someone the author likes

            I don’t care of he likes Kurtz or not. I’m not evaluating my impression of Kurtz through the Newsbuster guy’s eyes. I hear Kurtz’s liberalism come out in his commentary, not in memorable, stinging sound-bytes that linger in my mind for months, but in his sensibilities. I only provided those links because you wanted specific examples. Kurtz is not a hardcore partisan like many of Fox News’ liberals, but he is undoubtedly a liberal guy. I’m not calling him a shill.

            >> (The third link 404s.)
            Not for me.

          • Sheila Warner

            http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/10/pre-benghazi_attack_pentagon_report_al_qaeda_jihadists_significant_threat_to_libya.html

            The report that J Maxx wants to disregard because he doesn’t believe it was the Pentagon that put it out.

          • Sheila Warner

            Here’s a link to the report which was done by the Federal Research Division, which Bill O’Reilly cited during his TP memo. http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/10/pre-benghazi_attack_pentagon_report_al_qaeda_jihadists_significant_threat_to_libya.html

            You’ll notice that the report was done under an agreement with a DOD section that deals with terrorism. I found many sites which said the same thing. The Pentagon released the report. Congress also has the report.

            The Federal Research Division does just what it says: research. Google it and you will find that the Division does research for many agencies. All of the unclassified reports it does are in the Library of Congress. I did not read the entire report. It is very long and quite arduous. But it is a significant report that was not included in Kirkpatrick’s article. The climate pre-9/11/2012 is laid out nicely.

            And, yes, I’d take the findings of the report over what was said to Kirkpatrick by those on the ground that night any day of the week. In addition, people within the intelligence community assert that AQ and its affiliates are all over the region.

          • JMax

            Yes, that is the report I referenced. The key passage regarding Ansar al-Sharia is:

            “Ansar al-Sharia, led by Sufian Ben Qhumu, a former Guantanamo detainee, has increasingly embodied al-Qaeda’s presence in Libya, as indicated by its
            active social-media propaganda, extremist discourse, and hatred of the West, especially the United States.”

            It does not say that Ansar al-Sharia is the same as al Qaeda. It says they share characteristics. And since this report was published prior to the attack, it cannot provide any evidence that the attack was planned or carried out be al Qaeda.

            Note the report states:

            “The information in this report is drawn largely from the Internet and Western and Libyan online publications. Particular attention has been given to AQSL and AQIM sources, especially propaganda videos featuring their leaders and a written essay from ‘Atiyah al-Libi, an influential Libyan al-Qaeda leader killed in Pakistan by a U.S. drone strike in August 2011. Although a wide range of sources were utilized, including those in French and Arabic, as well as in English, the information found was quite limited and largely presumptive. Given the scarcity of information, further research is needed to better penetrate the organization of al-Qaeda’s clandestine network in Libya, its leaders, areas of concentration, and chain of command. The Web addresses presented in this report were valid as of August 2012.”

            The report may have been done FOR the Pentagon, but not BY the Pentagon. Note “the information found was quite limited and largely presumptive” as it was largely done through the Internet.

            The existence of al Qaeda throughout the region does not prove that al Qaeda planned or carried out the attack.

          • Sheila Warner

            That is not the only report. My refutation was your assertion that O’Reilly got it wrong when he referenced the Pentagon.

            I believe that anti-Western attackers would, of course, mislead an American journalist.

          • JMax

            Why would the attackers mislead an American journalist?

            If there is another report it must copy from this one, because what O’Reilly used on his show was quoted verbatim from the LOC report.

          • Sheila Warner

            Why would attackers be honest with an American journalist, is the better question.

            We have talked this topic out.

          • tim Ned

            You left off Howard Kurtz.

          • JMax

            Howard Kurtz is not a liberal. He just seems like one compared to those around him.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Keep telling yourself that.

          • JMax

            Don’t SAY he’s a liberal. Make your case.

          • legal eagle

            The Fox News agenda is an ongoing creation of Roger Ailes fertile imagination. Show after show will now have to try to discredit the NY Times report on Benghazi so it can be used against Hillary…Howie Kurtz nicely told O’Reilly that O’Reilly had no clue about newspaper reporting and Goldberg, who actually has no clue about newspaper reporting, just couldn’t bring himself to disagree with the O’Reilly’s conspiracy theory.

          • legal eagle

            You’ve lost all perspective of reality….Your goal, I assume, is to be all right wing, all the time. This way you, like Bernie Goldberg, can try to cash in on the book circuit…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            lol. Instead of ‘assuming’ my ‘goal’, you should try actually reading my columns from time to time instead of just pretending to. If you did, you’d realize how silly your assessment is.

          • legal eagle

            If you’d write a column that contained something more than ideological streams of consciousness I would read them more often…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            All of my columns could be movie reviews for all you know. You never actually read the pieces you comment on. That’s been established.

          • legal eagle

            They are part of a paid cast of “liberals” who are there to take a side so there can be a debate….To be on the list of liberal commentators you have to follow certain rules a) you cannot insult the host b) you have to say that “I blame both parties” and c) you can’t call the right wingers liars…If you do any of these you will no longer be on the list of paid actors…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            More proof that you don’t actually watch Fox.

            Seriously man, you should stop digging this hole. You’re describing a work of fantasy created by the left-wing outlets you choose to parrot without a second thought.

          • legal eagle

            An old friend of mine used to have a gig on Fox as a “liberal” commentator. He’s told me what the rules are and what the script is…it’s not any great secret that Fox’s audience of older white males is not very informed.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            >>An old friend of mine used to have a gig on Fox as a “liberal”
            commentator. He’s told me what the rules are and what the script is

            Sure.

          • legal eagle

            I still don’t give a crap if you believe anything I say……..

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Yet, you keep replying to me to tell me that.

          • Deborah G

            Listen John this guy is a nutcase liberal who for some reason likes abuse.Now if he were on MSNBC I’d said that was normal for him there but here on a conservative blog? We have all just decided not to respond to him and collapse his posts. Minimalize him. Make him the irrelevant libtard he is

          • legal eagle

            I agree..I should know better than to discuss anything with a cultist like yourself….maybe one day you’ll learn to think for yourself…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Is that what your idols at MSNBC have taught you to do? Call someone a cultist whenever they confront you with reality? I’d suggest that you might one day think for yourself, but we both know you won’t.

          • legal eagle

            A cultist never varies from his views, never admits that his ideological argument may not be applicable to a particular point and most importantly surrounds himself with fellow cultists…Perhaps you should travel more and get out of your little bubble and see what America is really like…..

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            >>A cultist never varies from his views, never admits that his ideological
            argument may not be applicable to a particular point and most
            importantly surrounds himself with fellow cultists…

            lol. You really have no sense of irony do you?

            >>.Perhaps you should travel more and get out of your little bubble and see what America is really like…..

            Would love to! There are still 3 U.S. states I haven’t been to.

          • legal eagle

            Funny stuff…LOL

          • Deborah G

            LOL Just collapse this morons posts and stop responding to him. No one pays hhim sqaut for his opinion.He’s a legend in his own mind or lack thereof

          • JMax

            Maybe that’s why Beckel isn’t on O’Reilly anymore.

          • legal eagle

            Beckel is making a reported $1 mil a year to act like the liberal buffoon….Beckel was once a respected political consultant who, after the Mondale debacle, couldn’t get a job in Washington so he puts on the clown act and has resurrected himself as a bumbling idiot…Easy work and no heavy lifting..

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Other than not routinely engaging in race-baiting, how is Beckel any different than the dopes over at MSNBC? They’re all working off of the same DNC talking points.

          • Deborah G

            Because your boyfriend told you

          • legal eagle

            Who wants to shut Fox News up? It’s the best thing the Dems have going for them…Blonde bimbo hosts talking politics, right wing racist rants, never ending anti-immigration policies. Donald Trump, Tea Party whiners.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            >>Who wants to shut Fox News up? It’s the best thing the Dems have going for them

            Perhaps the most foolish thing you’ve written all week.

          • legal eagle

            I get well paid by clients to think past the obvious…You obviously don’t or won’t…Don’t you think Hannity, O’Reilly and Limbaugh fire up the Democratic base? Smart people listen to what the other side is saying.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Oh, I don’t doubt that a conservative news outlet fires up the Democratic base.

            Your assertion is silly because without Fox News, the Democratic party would have a liberal monopoly on the televised national news media in this country. They would LOVE that. What do you think the Fairness Doctrine is all about?

            The liberal movement has spent a tremendous amount of money trying to take down Fox News because they view the network as an enormous threat to them – not an asset, as your bizarrely suggest.

          • Tim Ned

            Your discussion has dropped off from being pure dribble to out right racist rants. Sorry if I used one of your name calling words but it fits.

          • legal eagle

            Thank you for the compliment…. I was a pretty good basketball player as a kid but never a great dribbler…

          • Tim Ned

            well you’re doing a very good job now with the dribble!

          • legal eagle

            Yeah, you are right. But you have to remember that I am only 13 years old and I have already been kicked out of school because of my bad behavior.
            I am a racist, I think, whatever that means. I just like to piss people off and make them waste their time. It’s FUN!

          • Ted

            If Fox is garbage, then when do you come to this site and wallow in it everyday? Sounds pretty stupid to me.

          • JMax

            Good analogy!

          • legal eagle

            Thanks…it’s the unfortunate truth..

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            lol. You guys.

          • IHF

            Yeah, that’s a predictable take from a left-wing ideologue a*shole who lives in another world where reality is totally warped. Talk about repetitive…you are the most repetitive poster on this forum–and total garbage!

          • Tim Ned

            John, I agree, they see the shorts and not the entire context. But I firmly believe they are seeing all they want to see.

          • legal eagle

            I have watched Fox News for years…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Forgive me if I don’t take you at your word.

          • Sheila Warner

            Why should we believe him? It’s so obvious, based on his assertions, that he doesn’t even read his own material. Just look at the most recent example of the NYT article being contradicted by the same NYT in an earlier report.

          • JMax

            Wouldn’t a contradiction be called for if new information was found?

          • Sheila Warner

            If that was the case, yes. But the article did not reveal new information, only interviews with some of the people on the ground. Have you read or listened to any of those who disagree with his assertion? Had he simply said that he had found no evidence, the controversy would not have been as intense.

          • JMax

            It may have been new since the earlier article. I’m not sure what the article from a year ago said, so I have no context to make a judgement. But it seems to me that his interviews brought to light that the video did have some relevance to the event, substantiating the CIA’s initial claim. Furthermore, I believe he DID say that there was no evidence that al Qaeda was directly involved in the attack.

            I just watched Bill O’Reilly tonight talk about this. He said that the author denied that the attack was planned, which is patently false because the author DID NOT deny it was planned. He said it was not “meticulously planned” but BO thinks the word meticulously is meaningless. He also adamantly denied the author’s claim that there was no evidence al Qaeda was involved in the attack based solely on a shortened version of the following text from a profile of al Qaeda in Libya from the Library of Congress’s Research Division:

            “Ansar al-Sharia, led by Sufian Ben Qhumu, a former Guantanamo detainee, has increasingly embodied al-Qaeda’s presence in Libya, as indicated by its active social-media propaganda, extremist discourse, and hatred of the West, especially the United States.”

            You could do a separate treatise on what that actually means, but this of course does nothing to refute the interviews and reporting of the author, who happens to be the NYT Cairo Bureau Chief.

          • tim ned

            Jmax, General Patraeus the then acting CIA chief testified the al Qaeda Link. Every intelligence source confirms it including rep. Adam Schiff of CA standing by that finding. The NYT author in the same sentence states ” but neither was it spontaneous or without warning signs. I don’t believe O’Reilly considers the word meticulously meaningless as you state and I believe he sees it the way I do. This administration for over a week went out with the silly line that it was a spontaneous attack over some dumb movie. The fact is it was planned, meticulously or not, to coincide with 9/11 and al Qaeda was involved.

          • JMax

            According to CNN “Former CIA Director David Petraeus testified on Capitol Hill Friday that the
            attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, in September was an
            act of terrorism committed by al Qaeda-linked militants.”

            I have links to the Queen of England. That doesn’t make me royalty. Also this testimony is not public but divulged by Peter King, so the full context is unknown.

          • Tim Ned

            Jmax, You’ll have better luck making a connection to the Queen of England than defending your position on a dumb movie. Peter King is a member of Congress with respectability across both aisles of Congress. Go ahead and do your googling to locate those respectable sources that determined that the Benghazi attack was a spontaneous attack over some dumb movie. Even Libya President Mohamed Magariaf called it a terrorist attack within 5 days. Only you and Susan Rice and your President would side with you.

          • JMax

            I do have connections to the queen of England.

            You are operating under the assumption that the attack was a monolithic entity. That all participants were members of the same organization. That all had the same motives and same goals. There is tons of evidence that this is not the case. There is plenty of evidence that some elements of the attack were planned. There is no evidence that al Qaeda did that planning. There is evidence that SOME of the attackers were motivated by rage over the video. That this is the case CANNOT be ruled out. There is also a likelihood that some of the attackers used the occurrence of riots in other locations to camouflage the true intent of their attack at the onset. That also cannot be ruled out. It was prudent for the CIA to stick to the story of the video in the first days while the fog of the attack was still clearing and investigations were beginning.

            “Only you and Susan Rice and your President would side with you.”

            Well except for the CIA originally, multiple newspaper articles, several books, and Democratic members of the congressional committee. What Susan Rice believes or believed on that first Sunday is irrelevant because she only knew what the CIA had written for her.

          • Deborah G

            Just another day in OBAMA’s War on Women how many has he thrown under the bus ?????

          • JMax

            What Obama war on Women? Who has he thrown under the bus?

            If you are talking about Rice, she was NEVER thrown under the bus by the administration. She has always had Obama’s full support. The people who threw her under the bus were McCain and Graham.

          • Deborah G

            he threw both Hillary and Rice under the bus. In fact the tiretracks are from his car LOL You realy have been doing it wrong for so long it has affected your brain

          • JMax

            There was no bus to be thrown under.

          • Sheila Warner

            I just found it curious that Kirkpatrick would bring up the video when the President long ago stopped referring to it himself. Did you know that Kirkpatrick contributed to the earlier NYT article? I have to track that one down, because I don’t remember reading it. I do trust the intelligence, which ultimately abandoned the idea that it was the video that was responsible for the attack.

            Here’s what we do know–the Middle East was in flames after the video became known to the mobs that attacked not only Cairo, but all across the Middle East. I can’t understand why Stevens went to Benghazi in light of that fact, nor do I understand why there wasn’t more security there. Hindsight is always 20/20, but there are lingering questions that will likely never be answered because the Democrats have succeeded in highjacking the narrative, calling it a phony scandal.

            Where was the President during the attack? Was he busy packing for his Las Vegas gig?

          • JMax

            The president was in the Oval Office with Denis McDonough, Deputy National Security Advisor, the Vice President, National Security Advisor Tom Donilon and Chief of Staff
            Jack Lew. What would you expect him to do other than order the military to do whatever they could, which is what he did and what they did.

            Kirkpatrick is the NY Times Cairo Bureau Chief. It’s quite possible that he learned new information after contributing to earlier reporting. Why would he make up something? In fact I found an article on WND about this and all it says about the earlier report was that there were some links between some of the participants in the attack and al Qaeda. I have links to Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young, but that doesn’t make me a member of the band or a performer in one of their concerts.

            Kirkpatrick’s claims that some of the attackers were motivated to some degree by the video is based on interviews with a dozen or more Libyan witnesses.

            If it’s not a phony scandal, what exactly IS the scandal?

          • Sheila Warner

            “Kirkpatrick is the NY Times Cairo Bureau Chief. It’s quite possible that he learned new information after contributing to earlier reporting. Why would he make up something…Kirkpatrick’s claims that some of the attackers were motivated to some degree by the video is based on interviews with a dozen or more Libyan witnesses.”

            Kirkpatrick’s position of being the Bureau Chief doesn’t mean he is infallible in his reporting. And, it could be that some Libyan witnesses were either uninformed, or so pissed by the video that they expressed their own outrage to an American reporter. I don’t think he made up a thing. I believe that he drew a faulty conclusion. Remember that he had been on the ground during the attack prior to contributing to that other NYT article, which came out first. Just because this latest article is newly written, does not mean that the interviews only recently took place. Same on the ground experience, different conclusions.

            I absolutely believe the Administration seized on the uproar around the Middle East surrounding the video, and tried for weeks to make it the main source of the attacks.

            In May 2013 David Pfeiffer didn’t think the question of the President’s whereabouts was relevant. http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-aide-irrelevant-fact-where-president-was-during-benghazi-attacks_724882.html

            It was unseemly for the President to fly to Las Vegas when the smoke hadn’t even begun to clear from the attacks.

            The lack of security was scandalous. The President, who is the Commander in Chief, reportedly immediately ordered that help be sent to aid those pinned down in Benghazi. Was it Leon Panetta who challenged that order, and thus had it changed? (Remember Panetta claimed it was too dangerous to send in troops to try and rescue those under attack.)

            Other Presidents have reacted swiftly and with much more outrage than this President. Reagan following the attack in Lebanon, Clinton after the Cole attack, GW after 9/11 are the three that spring to memory.

            President Obama showed more anger at those who attacked Susan Rice than he did at the terrorists who murdered our citizens. “Joe Cool” is all I see from him, unless it is his policies or actions that are criticized.

          • JMax

            The original article did not conclude that al Qaeda participated in the attack. It said that some of the attackers had connections to al Qaeda. There is really no difference from that report to the latest one.

            Why do you doubt that the US Military used solid judgement in their reaction to the attack? It is unwise to send forces into a situation about which you have very little knowledge.

            What is the “scandal” about the lack of security? The failure of the Libyan hosts to provide the security they are supposed to provide? The reduced budget of the State Department? The choice of the ambassador to be in such a place without adequate protection having been warned of the danger?

            Reagan pulled out of Lebanon after the attack. Clinton left the Cole affair to Bush 43 to address, and Bush sat on a stool for seven minutes after being told “America is under attack”. Then he flew around the country for hours while Cheney decided what to do.

          • Sheila Warner

            I hope you take a look at the site to which I linked. The budget had nothing to do with the lack of security. I believe it was Charlotte Lamb who put that issue to bed at one of the hearings. Reagan sent a missile right into Quadaffi’s tent, as I recall. Cole was not left to Bush. President Clinton was very forceful about what had taken place. Did he underestimate AQ? I think he did, but he didn’t pass the buck. Pres GW was in a classroom of small children. Of course he had to figure out how to handle walking out on them, without alarming them. His flying around in the plane? Are you kidding me? That was the Secret Service’s decision, GW was on the phone with his Administration’s national security staff, and he persistently fought to get the SS to allow Air Force One to land, and then to return to the WH. The nation was under attack–did you expect the SS to just let GW go back to D.C. right away?

            I thought that you had some critical thinking skills, and that you understood nuances. I’m very disappointed. Your TP on GW sound just like what Michael Moore was saying as he narrated Fahrenheit 9/11.

          • JMax

            I will back off on the flying around the country bit, but I simply will not buy the excuse that PRESIDENT Bush didn’t want to alarm a classroom of 20 or 30 children while the lives of 300 million Americans were at risk. It’s absurd. Any reasonable person would have said, “Excuse me kids. I have to answer a very important phone call.”

            Qhaddafi had no connection to the Lebanon bombing. No military response occurred.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            >>but I simply will not buy the excuse that PRESIDENT Bush didn’t want to alarm a classroom of 20 or 30 children

            Honestly, I think that’s EXACTLY what Bush was thinking at the time. BUT, you’re right in that it wasn’t a good excuse. The right course of action would have been to do as you described.

            The narrative, however, that his reaction suggested indifference or incompetence – as many on the left have suggested – is ludicrous. He was stunned by what he was told – plain and simple, and his instincts told him to put on a good front for the children.

            If he could have that moment over again, I’m sure he’d react quite differently.

          • JMax

            I don’t think anybody thinks it was a matter of indifference. I think he was paralyzed by the enormity of what Card had just told him. Or fear about what to do next. Or he was trying to remember the contents of the August 6th presidential daily briefing.

          • IHF

            I agree with you 100%. Bush was compassionate in his regard towards the schoolchildren that he had audience with at the time.

            In all honesty, no one knew at the time what was just about to happen and I believe that former President Bush is a very loving person whose only thought at the time was protecting the children.

            It is awful for the left-wing eccentrics to criticize him for his behavior in a moment of an absolute unknown future.

            If those had been your children or grandchildren, how would you have wanted Bush to treat them at that time? Be honest, it will reveal much about yourself.

          • Sheila Warner

            You are correct: it was following the Berlin disco bombing that Reagan ordered air strikes on Libya. He did state that his decision was based on the need for Americans and those around the world to be kept safe from the terrorists. My memory isn’t so hot these days.

            I don’t fault GW Bush for sitting in the classroom, in shock, to absorb what was told to him and start thinking about how he needed to respond. Your issue with that, I believe, is petty.

            (I actually own the movie I reference, by the way. Michael Moore is a pariah to conservatives, but for me, his points of view are important to understand. As I said, I listen to many sides as I visit.)

            I remain convinced that what the intelligence community settled on, and still believes, is that AQ had a role in the attack. You do not. We agree to disagree.

          • JMax

            I like the first hour of Moore’s movies and then he just starts to get carried away. It’s like he has a one hour story to tell but wants to make a feature movie and has to pad it by getting into ridiculous stuff.

            As to President Bush in the classroom, I think it is absurd to worry about the few children in the classroom when the country had already been hit by 2 aircraft and thousands more potential attacks were flying all over the country. What if Card had said, “We are tracking multiple ICBMs coming over the North Pole.” Would he have spared the children’s feelings in that case? At that point, other than two aircraft, the exact nature and scope of the attack was unknown. Seconds could have made the difference.

            What if al Qaeda had a role in the Benghazi attack? So what?

          • Sheila Warner

            “What if” purple elephants were lined up getting ready to attack the school where Pres GW Bush was in?

            “What ifs” are speculation.

            AQ was an element of the Benghazi attack. That is a fact verified within the intelligence community. Knowing the identity of a perpetrator is key to any criminal and/or military investigation of wrong doing. Perpetrator, means, motive and opportunity–all parts of Investigation 101.

          • Ted

            Fyi on the Cole attack. It happened in October and the Yemeni’s wouldn’t allow the FBI into their country to interview the detainees. Clinton was going to be out of office shortly and did what he could to pursue justice. He just ran out of time contrary to his critics claiming otherwise in those bogus chain rt wing nut emails that abound.

          • JMax

            Whoa Dude! Back up there. For your information I know everything you wrote. My point was to contradict the idea that Obama was the only one who didn’t take immediate military action after an attack. I can refute just about any RWNJ email someone sends to me.

          • JMax

            Me too. Now THAT’S entertainment!

          • Deborah G

            Lying has never been beneath them nor has Character assination so why would this be a surpirse to you?

          • Ted

            Congrats on your attempt to take some self serving and fictitious morale high ground!

            And hey Voltaire, weren’t you the one trying to suppress the freedom of speech of those you disagree with? Can’t fight your own intellectual battles? Well, you’re in good company here.

          • Deborah G

            Like I said You can be free to say and do whatever you like. I always try to take the moral high ground.I don’t care what vapid posts you or anyone else wants to read or respond to. My choiceis not yours. My Daddy used to say, you can’t argue with fools and drunks.

          • Ted

            Did your daddy also say not to argue w/ those who intellectually kick your political ass? If so, you failed to heed his sound advice.

          • Ted

            Diminish Fox News? Huh? I’ve never met one progressive who gives
            two bowel movements about “diminishing” Fox News. Roger Ailes, their reporters and reporting do an excellent job of that. It would be superfluous.

          • Sheila Warner

            You obviously don’t follow the news. Remember Anita Dunn? And, by the way, she did end up leaving.

            http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2009/10/why_the_white_house_picked_ani.html

          • Gloria

            Thank you -

          • Deborah G

            John we have all joined in an effort to marginalize the Legal Eagle Moron. Just collapse any of his statement and do not reply to him. IF everyone does that he’ll be talking to himself. he is a sophomoric moron who is only loved by himself. his mother collapses his comments too (-:

        • Gloria

          Thank you.

          • Deborah G

            You go girl just don’t “:GO” anywhere near the moron Legal Eagle

      • Gloria

        Dear Mr. eagle,
        As I have mentioned to you previously I am not a devotee of Fox News. Believe it or not, I formulate my own outlandish ideas of what America is all about! Astounding, huh?
        Furthermore, little smarty pants, I don’t hate anyone, not even you. That is a waste of energy. And don’t worry over how I spend my time or dare to evaluate my charitable acts.
        As for Hillary’s comment, we all know she said it during her testimony re Benghazi – it was just an effort to demonstrate the concept and mentality of those who feel that it matters little what we think. It’s what they KNOW that counts.

        • legal eagle

          You don’t have to be a devotee to repeat talking points…You can read them in many of Goldberg’s columns…Hillary said it in response to what happened after Benghazi…perhaps if you read it and not looked at the edited sound bite you would understand..

          • Tim Ned

            Actually without taking a side in this debate I believe Gloria appropriately quoted the former Secretary of State with her name within the framework of her comment and the context was appropriately used based upon the subject matter. Now to enter this debate she makes a valid point. Since Obama lied constantly about the health care act to get it through congress, is the appropriate line now “What difference does it make”? And in fact I agree with her assertion that Obama does know the difference between campaigning and governing. Once of which he uses quite effectively. The latter he has no grasp of.

          • Sheila Warner

            It was pretty clear that SOS Clinton was just waiting for the question about the video, too. She had her “what difference does it make?” ready. Too bad those who questioned her did not follow up with a rebuttal. I’m sure it made a heck of a lot of difference to the families and friends of those slain.

            The motive behind the attack should have led the US to find out who the people were who were responsible, and then bring them to justice. It’s what homicide detectives do in the civilian world: they look for motive, means, and opportunity. It appears as if this Administration didn’t really care.

          • tim Ned

            Shelia, I believe there is another major issue for an investigation. One of the canned responses is that there were no forward deployment of resources available to respond to the attack in a timely manner. I wonder how Americans would feel if our police and fire departments didn’t respond to 911 calls. I travel the world and many countries are like this. In Central and South America it is rare for police to show up for home break in’s.

          • Sheila Warner

            I wonder if I’ll live long enough to find out what really happened. Will we ever know where the President was during the attack? Was he packing for his big Las Vegas gig?

          • Ted

            Yeah, read Kirkpatrick’s piece. The Obama critics are the party of “isms” aren’t they? There’s the trifecta of cynicism, skepticism and negativism.

          • Sheila Warner

            I read it all. It disputes your claim that there were too many diplomatic outposts to protect.

            And, no, I just want all information included in an article. He stated that there was no AQ as a fact. The intelligence community disagrees. He did nothing to address the specifics of that disagreement.

          • Ted

            The intelligence community disagrees? Oh? Which one(s)? You neglected to say.

          • Sheila Warner

            The ones you discredit.

          • Ted

            That’s your answer? Way to blatantly dodge the question! Everyone else here on your side has done that whenever they’ve been cornered so why not you? So, who said I discredit any of them as we’ve never discussed it? What you just did however was remove any credibility from argument. And sorry but Issa’s idiotic committee doesn’t count anymore than Fox News as part of the intell community. Are you gonna dodge this post too?

          • Sheila Warner

            You have forgotten all of what you posted, I see.

          • Deborah G

            He was on a campaign fund raiser In Las Vegas by the Democrats reports

          • Sheila Warner

            The LV fund raiser was the following day. Where was he for the hours and hours our guys were getting attacked?

          • Deborah G

            Well wherever he was he sure didn’t do his job and he sure didn’t send in the marines., Hillary should have done sonmething the entire adminstration FAILED and the Military was steaming, SInce When did we EVER let American pople die like that? If they were befuddled then they should have shut their stupid mouths and let the Miltary do what it does best.

          • Ted

            By your always partisan yardstick, Reagan “let” 241 Marines die in 1983 in Beirut didn’t he? And W “let” 3,000 die on 9/11 without lifting a finger to stop it didn’t he? Although W did give that 7 minute deer in the headlights look when told “we’re under attack” in that classroom didn’t he? Where was your outrage over those rt wing led disasters?

          • Ted

            So Tim given that working for the State Dept has inherent risks and given that there are 288 consulates and embassies worldwide and given that they’re immobile so the enemy knows exactly where they’ll be? Is it reasonable to expect that the US Gov can guarantee everyone’s safety? The fact of the matter and much like fire bases in Vietnam they can be attacked and in the case of a lesser armed and protected building like a consulate, overrun rather easily. Had W been President during Benghazi no one on the right would’ve said a peep just like they still haven’t about failing to protect us on 9/11 or when embassies were attacked during W’s admin? If it weren’t for double standards the rt wing nuts wouldn’t have any standards at all.

          • Sheila Warner

            Speculation proves nothing. I believe that had it happened on Pres GW’s watch, the media would have gone crazy, especially if he flew off to LV the next day.

            Your citing of how many embassies & other similar outposts needed to be protected ignores the fact that the State Dept did not heed the requests for more security by Ambassador Stevens. The State Dept is tasked with assessing the need for security. They had Amb Steven’s request in addition to what had already taken place on the ground. Two previous bombings at the consulate, and the attacks on Great Britain’s representative. Even the Red Cross had pulled out (along with Great Britain) prior to the Sept 11 attack that killed our 4 American heroes.

            Kirkpatrick at least acknowledged the debacle of poor security.

          • Deborah G

            What was your first clue? The reality is when you have “Progressive” Soldiers[Hillary,Soros, Obama] no one is worthy and if they die in the process of advancing the cause that’s too bad in fact it isn’t even “too Bad” its meaningless to them. Their entire focus is how to rule the working class period. All this nonsense of Patriotism, God and country are laughable to them. They promote anything that disrupts the Democracy or the Republic to gain control. The Saul Alinsky Rules for radicals is their Bible.Please, anyone who thinks I am just a nutcase or angry? You got one poart right. I’m angry and I won’t stop until they are removed from power. Hillary? you ant to know what difference it makes? Spend your millions trying to figure out the “SPIRIT” oif America, you can’t touch it , control it or regulate it,. It is out of even Saul Alinsky’s power dead or alive

          • Ted

            So, let me guess you’re an Alex Smith, Glenn Bleccch devotee who’s read Dinesh D’Souza’s Rage of Obama and seen his propaganda film 2016? This would make you of course an expert on reading your President’s mind wouldn’t it? And l let me also guess that you’re a Birther and believe that Obama’s a Muslim and like 20% of rt wingnuts believe he’s also the anti-Christ? Tell me when I’m getting warm?

            And what Hillary meant was the four Americans in Benghazi are just as dead so Issa and the other pandering con pols need to stop grandstanding and trying to relitigate this hoping it wil have enough legs to last until the 2016 elections.

            And please accept my condolences on the death of the Benghazi “scandal” where it turns out the al-Qaeda weren’t involved and it turns out the video did help incense the crowd. Now, I realize anyone who thinks their President’s a commie also thinks David Kirkpatrick’s story in the NY Times is part of some ginormous media conspiracy but that’s simply a litmus test for how much Kool Aid you’ve drank and how big an ideologue one is.

            And lastly, I just love what demons some of you are for free speech when you’re trying silence someone because (wait for it!) they have the temerity to disabuse of your fear based and frankly oft times paranoid notions.

          • Deborah G

            First of all I have never been a “birther” never saw the movie,don’t watch Glenn Beck,Do think Obama is a Muslim sympathizer by his own words ,The Antichrist ? That’s a bit out there,I just think he is an ill prepared empty suit that lies like a rug, is a lazy leader, let’s everyone else run the ship,and is a complete left wing Saul Alinsky ideolog as is Hillary by their own words.As for Bengahzi? The NYT to me is a propaganda machine for the left and they HAVE already endorsed Hillary they are being coy. IF you want to form your beliefs based on the NYT that is your choice. Hillary did nothing here in NY absoultely zero as a Senator, she is a weak person that someone like Putin will walk all over. She isn’t the Iron Lady. She isn’t a pimple on Thatcher’s butt.You may think the scandle is over but millions of American’s will not accept her What difference does it make anyway callous statement. IT makes a lot of difference that THEY dropped the ball and didn’t even lift a finger to help. WHo cars if it is Al Qauida or a soplinter group? Really? That part I agree with her on. What we DO care about is their stupid handling of it . They let 4 American’s die an awful death while they listened? OIr did they just go to a pArty like Obama? THAT”S what sticks in people’s craw. Not who did rather it was bad, inept stupid carless thinking and leaving our people there AFter UK and the Red cross got out. They FAILED> That’s the issue.

          • Gloria

            Thank you very much Tim Ned for your vote of confidence. It is well appreciated!

        • Deborah G

          Gloria don’t respond to him he is a troll and bad one at that. Make him totally invisable by simply collapsing his comments by using the button on the upper right of his comments. .

    • Deborah G

      Gloria we are all just collappsing legal Eagle idiot remarks and refusing to respond to him ever. That way he is marginalized and irrelevant.

      • Gloria

        Gotcha……just did it. He is a moron and frankly I assume his reading and comprehension skills are at that subpar level…..as evidenced by his comments which clearly demonstrate he hasn’t read what is right before his crossed eyes.

        • T Ko

          If you want to reply to LE, you can without sacrificing the ability to collapse his comments.

          Just make sure that you post your reply somewhere on the thread that is not under LE’s comment.

        • T Ko

          Yeah, it must be working…now they are trying to gang up on me. Doesn’t matter. They are the losers and it only works against them.

          • Ted

            Paranoid much? Why would anyone want to “gang up” on you and block your comments? How much better to leave your fatuous and freaked out posts up so they reveal their fear based idiocy?

          • T Ko

            Dikkhed, I really don’t give a sh*t what you do. It is really stupid that all you can do is try and attack me personally, but if that’s all you’ve got, then so be it.

            As you can see, you haven’t blocked any of my comments–none. So, go ahead and waste your time.

      • Ted

        If LE’s comments are so jejune then rather than try to violate and suppress his right to free speech, leave them up for all to see and they’ll speak for themselves?

        • Deborah G

          He can say whatever stupid thing he wants I can collapse him YOu can do whatever you want to. I just don’t like cluttering my life with junk.

        • Sheila Warner

          Everyone else can still see his comments. An individual collapse only keeps that individual from seeing them.

      • T Ko

        And it’s working. Now they are both coming after me with their personal idiotic attacks.

        Ted is such an idiot that he thinks that when you collapse his comments, then you are removing them from this forum.

        What an idiot!

        • Deborah G

          Sticks and stones…..they are morons who cares what they say?

          • T Ko

            Absolutely.

        • Deborah G

          Hahaha since when has the libs ever been right about anything?

          • T Ko

            I was locked out. Some idiot is doing the same thing again and I haven’t been able to post until now.

    • T Ko

      When you review the promises he made throughout his campaign for POTUS, Obama lied to the American people about “This will not be politics as usual, or government as usual. It will be the most transparent administration ever.”

      He has followed the classic model of old-boy, Chicago-style, power caucus mold of politics throughout his campaign and complete tenure in office. Give up campaigning? Never!

      His strength is derived from the campaign and his administrative machinery ceases to be effective without an active campaign in motion.

      • Gloria

        Agreed!

      • Deborah G

        The left is all about control and the Politics as usual are now Chicago thug style. Chicago has a long history of Marxist unions and thuggery. Strong arm dirty vicious tactics where no sense of decoum is even considered. Guess it comes from the mAfia, unions and meat packers. All stellar examples of benificent folks.

    • T Ko

      Folks like JMax berate “BO”, or Bill O’Reilly to be specific, for anything and everything.

      If JMax was so successful in his approach and thoughts, then why isn’t he hosting a cable-syndicated news show that has even higher ratings than “BO”.

      It seems that Jmax may have a few screws loose in his commenting.

      • Sheila Warner

        JMax doesn’t like it that Bill O’Reilly interrupts. O’Reilly does that if the person refuses to answer a question, or goes off on a tangent. According to Mr O, it is because he only has so many minutes per segment. I have seen O’Reilly give guests lots of time if they stay on point. But JMax is correct when he points out how Colmes annoys O’Reilly. Colmes often gets under O’Reilly’s skin. As does Monica Crowley. I’ve seen O’Reilly jump all over her, too.

        Juan Williams, Mary Katherine Ham, Bernie, Gutfeld & McGuirk, Megyn Kelly, etc.. are all usually only on once a week. Regular viewers know that.

        Finally, if JMax thinks O’Reilly is an interrupter and is rude, how does he like Hannity? I can’t even watch Hannity because of how he treats people.

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          Well, in all fairness to JMax, O’Reilly does interrupt a number of people who ARE in the middle of answering his questions. He does it with both conservatives and liberals.

          Colmes and Crowley do indeed both annoy O’Reilly.

          • T Ko

            Yes, I’m not sure why Crowley gets under his skin but I believe that O’Reilly doesn’t agree with hardly anything that Colmes says.

            Personally, I usually don’t agree with Colmes either. He is a dedicated and committed Obama supporter who has bought into the “message discipline” and democrat talking points that Bernie speaks of in his article.

            That “message discipline” tells us over and over that Obamacare is working, the administration is meeting their goals for signups, the healthcare policies that were canceled were garbage, the new Obamacare plans are the best thing since sliced bread, the only problems with the roll-out happened because of the GOP and their resistance, blah, blah, blah…. And so it goes.

            I think that is one thing that gets under Bill’s skin when a guest starts in with those worn out lines…most of which have been proven to be false.

          • Sheila Warner

            Exactly. When someone is merely spouting off talking points instead of really analyzing what those TP mean, O’Reilly gets annoyed very quickly. And, if a guest refuses to answer a direct question, look out!

            I agree with maybe 80% of what O’Reilly says. He’s in favor of a national ID card for American citizens–I am not. He is for mandatory registration of all guns, with the Feds in control. I am not. He supported the war in Iraq in the beginning–I did not. O’Reilly thinks there is a nationwide war on Christmas being sponsored by secularists–I do not.

            I am worried about our national debt, and I share O’Reilly’s views on Obamacare. I think he is correct about chaos in the home being a contributing factor in inner city crime.

            Overall, I like his show. I have his latest one on my DVR, waiting to be watched. I hate commercials, so I record it and watch it when my hubby isn’t around, and then fast forward through those commercials.

          • Deborah G

            I am ambivilant about National ID UNLESS it is hard and fast rule you have to scan it ti vote period,.After that I can put it next to my Sam’s club photo Id , Photo License and Photo security card for cashing checks. The reality is unless it has a specific meaning or use they already have your identity.

          • Deborah G

            I am dead set against gun registry by legal gun owners That is the path to confiscation at the slightest provocation. With morons like Barbara Boxer and these liberal unAmerican belief system? nope recipe for controlled slavery

          • Ted

            Wow, paranoid much? Looks like someone bought NRA BS that the Gov wants to confiscate your guns? Did you not know that this would require the repeal of the 2nd Amendment? And exactly how would that be possible given the current configuration of Congress? Hint: It’s not. And no, UN Treaty 19 can’t ever supersede the Constitution despite those bogus, disingenuous, rt wingnut, chain emails that are mindlessly passed around by the gun fetishists without vetting. They’re designed to sell fear to the fearful so you’ll buy more guns. In fact, no one is asking for current and non registered gun owners to register their guns. Non paranoiacs are in favor of current gun purchases being submitted to background checks and closing gun show loopholes to weed out the mentally ill. How can anyone support the mentally ill getting guns? Oh, that’s right those gunmaker shills, the NRA does.

          • Deborah G

            Then you haven’t heard about NY and Connecticut yet I guess. Conectticut is enforcing registration of all guns. FYI it was all over the news with the lines of hunters standing in the cold to comply. I am not against background checks nor do I think knowing where insane people are in the process of buying one. I personally dn’t won an assault rifle or a pistol . I just have to be confident for my self that no one else on the left is back door getting more control over ANY part of American’s lives. We have enough of those uber liberal control freaks right here in NY.

          • T Ko

            I think that you’ve since started, but remember to avoid posting any replies to Ted, JMax, or Legal Weasel. They are all here to call everyone a moron who is a critic of Obama-Devil.

            Real brainy folks, huh?

          • Deborah G

            really stunningly uniformed

          • T Ko

            I wonder if either of them has made it to high school yet?

            They all–each one–act like pre-teens, but I think they are…fifty-esh? Might be a chance they’ve made it to high school.

          • Deborah G

            Sophomoric idiocy knows no age restraints

          • Sheila Warner

            “In fact, no one is asking for current and non registered gun owners to register their guns”

            O’ Reilly is.

          • Ted

            Isn’t that what I said, no one? :-)

            Actually, I meant the Fed Gov wasn’t asking for it.

          • Integrity

            I don’t think that it is a stretch to believe that many politicians and people would love nothing more than a total repeal of the 2d Amendment. Many of them have already shown that they have no problem circumventing the Constitution in order to do it. QED

          • Ted

            You don’t? I couldn’t disagree more. If you can inject logic and reason into your pt of view then try and explain how the 2nd Amendment can be circumvented? And don’t even try and regurgitate that rt wing nut chain email crap about UN Treaty 19 superseding the Constituion. Frankly, the amount of paranoia that exists on the right coincides and correlates to exactly how extremist that person is. There’s no better litmus test for how freaked out and fear based one is than comments like your opening sentence. That’s right up there with the idiots that claim, “Obama will declare himself King for life”. They hope if they deflect the voter suppression abuses and cry about Obama no one will notice their blatant attempt to rob thousands of Americans of the right to vote.

            I do have to laugh at the irony of the rt wing hypocrisy re: all the voter suppression bills your side is desperately trying to pass speaking of Constitutional abuse. Your side can’t win elections based on their policies so they’re trying to disenfranchise as many Dem voters as they can and then they run around w/ their hair on fire whining at how Obama’s outsmarted them again! Waaaaaaa!

          • legal eagle

            Barbara Boxer is a U.S. Senator…what have you ever accomplished in your bitter hateful life?

          • T Ko

            It doesn’t matter what you or I have ever done, a moron like Legal Weasel will always be a moron. Same for Sen. Barbie.

          • Sheila Warner

            What a silly woman Barbara Boxer is. Remember when she got offended when a member of the military called her “ma’am?”

          • D Parri

            I wonder if the Brigadier General she made that comment to had a problem with being addressed as “Sir”.

          • Deborah G

            LOL probably not

          • Deborah G

            LOL I agree like most Liberal women first they make themselves totally unlikeable and get offended by anything deemed NOT far left women’s lib then they cry there is a war on Women. No you moron! There is no acceptance of Liberal women who don’t have their heads on straight.PS I have never felt a war on women. I have made a life with a great husband equally.

          • T Ko

            I couldn’t reply until now. Someone either hijacked my email address and post as me or somehow otherwise posted comments pretending to be me. I guess I was effectively locked out because of someone else’s actions. Talk about being banned…and not even for something that I did. Ain’t that nice!

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            It was a bug with Discus. You weren’t the only one who was temporarily banned. Let me know if it happens again.

          • T Ko

            Will do.

          • T Ko

            In responding to the ‘Legal Weasels’ and the ‘Teds’ who post here you automatically place a bulls-eye on yourself for their stupid posts. Avoid interaction with them if you can. Friendly advice.

          • Deborah G

            I have to watch who is posting better I think I have it now Thanks

          • T Ko

            Very welcome.

          • Sheila Warner

            We are in complete agreement on the issue of guns. The Second Amendment is at risk. I just read an article that stated President Obama plans to use his executive authority to change background laws. If we end up with a national registry, then the gov’t can start to confiscate guns if they declare some kind of emergency. Gun owners need to keep an eye on what the government is doing!

            I am a strong supporter of gun rights, can you tell? On some issues I am conservative.

          • Deborah G

            I think you are honestly exactly what you said you are and the reality is if everyone stopped allowing themselves to be polorized by a community organizer[ I say AGITATOR} then we will find that most people by a vast ANJORITY are Middle of the road politically some issues I am for that are social issues I won’t compromise on like caring for the disabled WAY better than we do for them now is one of our MOST important things to do for people in need. They live below poverty through no fault of their own,They should NOT have to be told no doctor will see them because they are on Medicaid and no doctor wants to take it. That is our integrity as a country to take care of the absolute neediest REAL disabilities. Not this fake I can’t get a job or it’s so easy to get disability con artists. Next I do believe we SHOULD hand out free birth control to poor women. That helps in so many ways. INSTEAD of funding Planned Aprenthood for abortions[yes they pay for abortions another story how they get around that little detail] but I am not particularily Pro choice because it has become a overused, lazy irresponsible person’s birth control. I DO agree with medically necesasary abotions no one should have that decision but a woman and her doctor. Doctors usually have the intergity not just to script out an abortion because someone just refuses to be responible for a pill or having their IUD changed last night. Give the morning after pill when necessary . So you see we have things that are our own pet peeves but most of us are Moderates center right or center left.

          • T Ko

            I think you and I are pretty much in harmony on Bill O, and I think a little dissonance with him is a healthy thing.

            National ID card…ehhh, not really an issue for me. Fed gun control, a mistake…second amendment should stand–unfettered. Iraq war, I knew that it was uncertain going into it, but I also knew that it would need to be carried out quickly or there would be dire consequences in a prolonged conflict. War on Christmas…there always has been…always will be.

            I like his show also, and we watch it each night. We don’t have the DVR, but have a cable box with a hard drive in it that will hold a buffer of one hour, and we use that to build a storage of approx. 20-30 mins, and then we zoom through the commercials also.

            So, it seems that we share some common habits and personal views. It is nice to hear that.

            Oh, I wholeheartedly believe that the disintegration of the American family is largely due to the government programs and policies which are structured to reward those who remain unmarried. How can a young couple today be expected to virtually throw away thousands of dollars in benefits for the sake of getting married, especially when they are third and fourth generation recipients of those benefits?

            Bill O is right to point that fact out, although his diplomacy may be taxed at times.

          • legal eagle

            O’Reilly every night? At least now I know why you are such a moron…

          • T Ko

            You don’t watch O’Reilly every night? At least now I know why you are such an ignorant moron…

          • Ted

            Yeah, and you’re a dedicated and committed Obama critic who ignores all those rt wing nut party line talking points written by Reince Preibus and people like the Heritage Foundation’s Jim Demented er, ah Demint. You know, the talking pts regurgitated by Boehner,, Mitch, Can’ter, Ryan, and nutjobs like Steve King, Louie Gohmert and bat sh*t Bachmann to name but a few. Funny how you rail when you claim Dems do something while being completely clueless that your side does it, too.

          • T Ko

            Yeah, and you’re a dedicated and committed Obama a**-licker who ignores all reason.

            The GOP party line talking points written by Reince Preibus and other intelligent people like the Heritage Foundation’s Jim Dement.

            You know, the talking points that you never appear to understand…how funny. You rail when you claim Dems do something while you remain completely clueless as to WTF you are saying.

          • D Parri

            John, I don’t want to be misunderstood with this comment, but I really think you should review the standards for decorum on this site.

            There are a few posters who are intent on lowering this site’s standards. I feel that eventually what you see in their personal attack comments will be what this site will be known for. It used to be a better site.

          • Ted

            You say posters are intent on lowering the stds here? So merely by disabusing you of your ideologic bs is “lowering the stds”? Hell, it’s raising them. But I get it. You’re saying it used to a better site when all of the con knuckleheads came here seeking affirmation rather than information with no discourse and got no pushback. Try going to WND dor that mindless consensus you seek.

        • T Ko

          Yes, I agree, Bill O does try to maintain control of the conversation. Sometimes it means interrupting and sometimes he lets them go.

          He keeps a much tighter rein over Crowley and Colmes than he does Krauthammer.

          • Deborah G

            That’s because Krauthammer is a superior mind and Oreilly respects that in him. In fact are there many smarter than him?

          • T Ko

            It is very apparent that Bill O shows Krauthammer a well-deserved level of respect. I have always been impressed by Charles by the seriousness which he attaches to his responses.

            He is an intelligent person, to be sure.

          • Ted

            Smart you say? Well, he’s very good at taking words out of context like when in a recent column he distorted what Obama said when he said, “You didn’t build that”. Obviously, he was referring to what he said in the previous sentence which referenced the infrastructure which was also what Obama said the next day. And if he’s so smart then explain why Krauthammer predicted a Romney landslide ala Rove, Morris, Savage, Levin et al.

          • Deborah G

            no one actaully believed the level of fraud and quite frankly even I was shocked by it since I’m rarely shocked at how base the left is. When the bastions of liberalism report that 115% of all voters in 4 key districts all 100% voted for OBAMA? Thats a bit much

          • Ted

            Oh, what bastions of liberalism reported that 115% as you allege. In fact, the incidents of voter fraud was .0004% so those voter suppression laws are a solution without a problem. I did see some bogus crap on some whackjob sites like WND and Judicial Watch but consider the source. In fact the most fraud was on the right by those fake voter registration companies that the RNC paid millions to and who threw away Dem voter registration forms or refused to do them at all resulting in great embarrassment and them getting fired. Ironic that the rt wing nuts seem to selectively forget that scandal. Google it and see what you get if you’re in denial about it?

          • Sheila Warner

            It was reported that 100% of Philadelphia voters went for President Obama. Since my son-in-law lives in Philly, and he voted for Mitt Romney, I know that was incorrect.

          • Deborah G

            LOL and the over 14,000 Mormons all voted for OBAMAyeah that’ll fly

          • Sheila Warner

            I agree that the President was speaking of the infrastructure. Since that was built using tax dollars, and the people to whom he was speaking pay taxes, the President is wrong. The conservatives did indeed build that, along with every other taxpayer, regardless of ideology. That’s where the GOP dropped the ball. No out of context needed–the facts were right there.

            No wonder Mitt Romney lost.

          • T Ko

            Smart? Yes. He’s very good at putting words in proper context. Obama said, “You didn’t build that”. Obviously, the infrastructure was what Obama said he meant the next day. And if Obama’s so smart then explain why did he need to lie?

          • Ted

            Yes

          • T Ko

            Not many. Just remember, Deb, when Ted or Legal Weasel post in this thread, don’t make your reply to their comment.

            That way you can collapse their comments and say goodbye to their nonsense.

            They are both the same kind of left-wing ideologue nuts who post just to stir up crap. If they had even half a brain they might be dangerous, but they don’t have to worry about that.

          • Deborah G

            I just added Ted was doing it with the first moron. Now we have two LOL

          • T Ko

            Yes, but ain’t it wonderful how you can just make them disappear from sight with just the push of a button!

          • Deborah G

            Actually there is three. JMAx the volunteer gay baby killer who after his stint runs to The United Church of Gay and prays that homosexuals be allowed to rule the kingdom of heaven

          • T Ko

            Sounds like a fine American…NOT!

          • Deborah G

            These people aren’t Americans they are Communists and Communists have no trouble killing babies. They beter watch out because after the liberals use them? They are targets

          • T Ko

            Targets, for sure…but I would be worried about a higher power if I were them.

          • Deborah G

            They aren’t worried their “higher” power is OBAMA and if he Blesses their iniquity then it must be ok.

          • T Ko

            That’s how the Obama-Zombies operate.

          • Deborah G

            Three I forgot the baby killing prayer leader.,

          • Ted

            Hey, you’ve lost every argument so why not admit it and try to delete my posts? If you actually had a pair….do I even need to finish that thought?

          • T Ko

            Krauthammer has definitely got a mind that is superior to Obama-Devil, or anyone in his administration.

            That’s why the left-wing nuts dislike him so much…he is capable of using logic and they can’t even understand it.

            It’s like someone said, ‘No government ever grew by solving problems’. How true.

      • Deborah G

        he;s too busy helping kill babies at his “Volunteer” community service job at Planned PArenthood.Why these libs seem hell bent on killing their own kind is beyond me…….and God

        • T Ko

          I assume that you are talking about JMax being a volunteer at PP. I don’t support PP because I don’t think that they are honest in their mission and work.

          If JMax wants to provide volunteer services, then I think that there are many other organizations he could give it to and help support more worthy causes.

          • Deborah G

            Ah but you miss the point dear friend The point is he DOES think its a worthy cause. Killing babies is now considered a choice,and liberals always seek the bottom of human behavior to support. It was the fact that in the same sentance he said he led some prayer group at his Chruch. Talk about total disconnect.?

          • T Ko

            I don’t know what happens to people like that to prevent them from drawing the link between God’s law and his own actions.

            If there is a conscience, his must be very troubled and confused.

            It’s one thing to commit a sin, know that you’ve done it, become remorseful, and ask forgiveness out of a contrite spirit. However, to commit a sin, deny that it is a sin, promote and encourage others to do the same, and then hold it up as a banner of pride, well that is totally different and altogether wrong.

          • Deborah G

            Here’s my take on it. They claim we are bitter angry people that oppose progress. What is progress? Thier license to do whatever disgusting thing they want? be accepted when they are knowingly defying ALL God’s Christian, Jewish and Islamic laws? This nonsense about “tolorance” is just that. I don’t TOLORATE evil and we as Americans are fighting back. NOT accepting that which are attacks on American values. I DON:T accept GAY marraige. It is patently dishonest if nothing else. They say they are “different and should be accepted as such. I accept they are different, I just dont accept them trying to bastardize a time honored tradition of a man and woman . . NEXT they claim our founders were Diests. ONE was for a short period of time and then came back as stated GOD was the reaosn for a sucessful country to survive. next they claim abortion is a choice. I’m going to remeber that the next time one of my fruity yuppie neighbors comes over and shows me their sonogram of THEIR new baby. My question to the will be” That’s a baby? Surely you are kidding, isn’t that still a CHOICE?” next?

          • T Ko

            That’s funny. I had never thought about changing the spelling of the word “baby” to “c-h-o-i-c-e”. Does that mean that from now on we should be saying (instead of saying, “My that’s a beautiful baby”), “My that’s a beautiful choice you have”.

          • Deborah G

            yes if you are talking to a liberal it does.

          • T Ko

            Ok, I knew there was a reason why I chose to remain a conservative.

          • Deborah G

            There is no “Conservative” vis a Vis “Liberal. The lines are drawn from real Americans and those who wish to destroy decency. Simple.

          • Ted

            I don’t feel like tolerating your intolerance. And exactly how does same sex marriage do anything to your marriage, let alone “bastardize” it as you ridiculously and hyperbolically ask? Give me a break! God, you’re a drama queen and a victim who obviously spends most of your copious free time patting yourself on your narcissistic back.

            You hypocritical extremists make me laugh. You claim to be for small government and want government out of your life unless anyone does anything you don’t agree with like gay marriage? Or women’s reproductive rights? Then you want the government to come flying back in and impose your view of morality on others! WTF gives you the right to piously impose your will on anyone? So clueless are you and your side that you’re unable to see the irony. If it wasn’t for double standards your side wouldn’t have any standards at all.

  • Florida Jim

    When a person of power blatantly lies time after time he will lose all respect we are watching Obama do just this. It is hard to find a paragraph from Obama where everything in it is truthful “if the republicans had any ideas”, “I want to work with everyone” , “ACORN has been shut-down”, The IRS has been dealt with ” Benghazi is a fake scandal” “I hardly knew Bill Ayers” “Michelle deserves her 230% pay increase after my earmark given to the hospital at which she is employed”. Whatever Obama says is clouded in obfuscation, embellishment, overstatement, misstatement and , of course, outright lies. How can anyone respect this man who is campaigner not a leader. Whatever is taking place propels him to the campaign trail with the same paid dolts in a
    diversified” room feigning interest. I have had enough of this dolt.
    You elected him not I you will have to deal with his destruction of America.

    • Deborah G

      he is a nothing, simply a chicago thug style politician ,racist Community AGITATOR> he is not and never has been a leader but he has ALWAYS been a liar. At least he’s consistant

      • Gloria

        Yes you are right, but unfortunately he is also the President!!
        How did this happen? I still can’t figure it out!

        • Drew Page

          Because too many “conservatives” felt Romney wasn’t conservative enough and didn’t vote for him, thus insuring an Obama victory. As far as I’m concerned, there is a special place in hell for these people.

          • legal eagle

            A special place in hell for people who didn’t vote for Romney? You’d better get back on your medication as soon as possible.

          • T Ko

            You still have some more LSD left?

            Legal Weasel, the IDIOT merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!

          • Gloria

            Yes – that makes me shake my head! Not conservative enough, so let’s stay home and not cast any vote ensuring a victory for the other ‘one’ who isn’t conservative AT ALL. Makes no sense!! Always made me think of someone saying, well I love apple pie, but this apple pie has two slices missing, so I guess I’ll buy the blueberry pie instead, even though I hate blueberry pie. They get a whole pie they won’t eat rather than 6 slices of the pie they like. Go figure…..

      • legal eagle

        and don’t forget he’s a colored racist. Nothing’s worse than those colored racists..

        • Stimpy

          The ‘colored’ have their own racial caste system … based on shade, where lighter is better.

        • T Ko

          Now, which color would that be?

          Legal Weasel, the IDIOT merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!

    • Gloria

      And how about this lie – “The Affordable Care Act was passed by a LARGE majority of our Congress”. Yes, I actually read that immediately afterward in the newspaper, and I wondered how in the world he could say things like that and no one questions it or raises an eyebrow! An out and out lie among many many others. Seems as though if HE says it, it is the truth. reality and the facts be damned.

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        I’ve noticed a lot of Obama supporters parroting that same assertion too. They’re relying on Americans having amazingly short memories, and I can understand why.

    • George Williams

      Like any criminal enterprise that the Democrats invent as ancillary agents to promote their ideology, when they get caught and shunned by the public, they just recreate themselves. ACORN is one such agent. It now runs the so-called Obamacare navigators with overpaid ignoramuses, mostly high school dropouts who have no education. The Communist Party U.S.A., having become a political pejorative and condemned by society, has resurrected itself by co-opting the Democratic Party.

  • ScranunSlim

    A modest proposal that should have broad bi-partisan support:

    Buy out the rest of the president’s “contract.” Give ‘im a billion dollars and let him stay in Hawaii as “The First Black Buffet” (not Jimmy – Warren).

    Think of it – no Obama-Care, no more failed stimuli, no more Cash-for-Clunkers, no printing funny money (“quantitative easing”), no recovery summers, no energy policy based on Chevy Volts, hi-speed rail and bike paths, no more crony-capitalism (GE). And no more gibberish like Libya being a “time-limited,
    scope-limited kinetic military action”

    Throw in a certificate in which every SEAL on the *UbL Raid* swears that they saw Obama fire the fatal shots, and I bet he’d hi-speed rail it outta town.

    * Obozo had as much to do with the killing of UbL as President Ford did with the capture of Patty Hearst

    • Deborah G

      hahaha loved it.

  • ScranunSlim

    By all means, Bernie — let the RINO dolts “reach across the aisle” like Arizona Sen John InAne, last heard WHINING that he’d spent an hour in Harry Reid’s office trying to convince Reid not to “nuke” the Republicans. Worked out really well, didn’t it.

    • Deborah G

      they give those libtards too much power I’d have been working on making sure he got the flu

  • George Williams

    As a matter of principle, I do not advocate banning commenters, regardless of their annoying nonsense. Let people like Ted, Legal Eagle and their ilk have their say, just don’t encourage them by responding.

  • T Ko

    WARNING:
    There are a few people who post very high volumes of comments on this site, and they have only one intent with their posts. Their comments and replies are intended to pettifog real issues being debated, and they rely upon personal attacks rather than participating in mature and healthy debate or discussions.

    As it is the general practice of this site’s administrators to allow as much leeway as possible to all who want to participate, it would not be suitable for them to block an individual from posting nearly anything that they want to post–within the limits of common decency.

    Personally, I have gotten fed up with the tactics they have employed and I have seen where there have been many other commenters who feel the same, but they have no effective way of dealing with this.

    That is why I am offering this solution for those who would like to effectively filter out these BS posts and simply ignore them. A few guidelines to follow will make this a workable solution for anyone who wants to block these annoying posts and have a much more enjoyable experience here.
    _____________________________________________________________
    ☑ collapse their comment using the control on the upper right
    ☑ when you post a reply, NEVER make it a reply to one of these posters; that
     way, when you collapse their comment then it won’t collapse yours also
    ☑ you can post any comment you want about the person…just make it a reply
      to someone else’s comment
    ☑ make sure that the thread does not have the antagonist’s comment in it
    ☑ DO NOT REPLY TO ONE OF THESE PEOPLE (directly)
    ☑ then just collapse their junk… Poof!…you don’t have to look at it anymore
    _____________________________________________________________

    Their only intention is to try and piss people off. Very childish.

    If you follow these guidelines, then you can collapse those rude BS comments without affecting anyone else’s posts.

  • George Williams

    New Year’s resolution for all: Do your best to ignore Legal Eagle. In time, he’ll give up and go away, perhaps to the HufPo, where his bobblehead friends hang out. He distracts all of us from commenting on the topic at hand. He’s just out to spoil Mr. Goldberg’s web page.

    • legal eagle

      Does your family know how sick you are? If so, why aren’t they getting you any help?

    • T Ko

      Yes, Legal Weasel and his playmate, Ted. They only have one agenda and that is to antagonize anyone who isn’t an Obama-Zombie.

      Ted has already crossed the line regarding acceptable posting etiquette, and may soon earn himself a serious black mark.

    • T Ko

      G, one of the better ways of shutting down folks like the Weasel when they start up that bullshit is to just collapse their comment using the control on the upper right.

      Works every time!

      • Deborah G

        Good point ALL together now collapse Legal Eagle and the rest of the liberal trolls here. Make them as irrelevant as they are. Love it. I’ll start now.

        • T Ko

          Just remember that when you post a reply NEVER make it a reply to Legal Weasel.

          You can post any comment you want about the Weasel…just make it a reply to someone else’s comment.

          Also, make sure that the thread does not have the Weasel’s comment in it.

          • Deborah G

            Got it he’s done

          • T Ko

            D, if you don’t mind, please spread the info on how to deal with these types.

            I think that there’s just a few like him that really enjoy that crap, but most of the folks are more interested in sharing ideas and information in a productive way.

            Thanks.

          • Deborah G

            I will and thanks for being a true American and I consider you a cyber friend. God Bless!

          • T Ko

            Much obliged, my friend.

          • Deborah G

            besides I’m a cat lover lol I have 24 rescued cats . All are absolutely incredible.Along with the rescued horses.

          • T Ko

            Well, God Bless you, I can tell you have a Big heart.

          • Deborah G

            A big heart and a conservative mind LOL

          • legal eagle

            Cats are probably the only species who won’t laugh at your rants..

          • T Ko

            And what species would you be…Weasel?

            Weasel, the IDIOT merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!

          • legal eagle

            Perhaps you should take head out of your butt and not continue to obsess over my comments…

    • Deborah G

      LOL I was banned from ever posting on Huff Post what a compliment!

      • George Williams

        I never advocate banning. That’s a liberal tactic.

        • Deborah G

          LOL since when was the Huff Post ever the Bastion of truth and free speech?Might as well be MSNBC

        • T Ko

          Yes, and I am not promoting banning anyone.

          I do believe, though, that there should be a way to deal with antagonists who are only here to insult, personally berate, pettifog, and generally disrupt any worthwhile discussions.

      • brickman

        I was banned by Real Clear Politics for pointing out the lie Dr. Ben Carson told. When even he pointed out that the use of the quote was “controversial” they let me back on. I like this site and Michelle Malkin’s because they let people speak their minds. Legal Eagle can be a pain but he’s never threatened to shoot someone like the posters on some other websites. Some even threaten to violently overthrow the US government. I tell THEM to lead the charge. That usually quiets them down.

        • Deborah G

          i think people say that because they are frustrated and felt disenfranchised. The reality is we don’t have tanks anyway LOL

          • brickman

            They say it from the safety of their living room and it costs them nothing. I know that they won’t even get off their butts and work in politics.

          • Deborah G

            I’ve worked on several State and nAtional campaigns first as a volunteer [hours!] and the last time on the strategy team. That being said I agree. These people don’t even vote at the local level where the power of their vote is the purist then they complain when we get some really expensive dumb streetlights down town and don’t get stopsigns where kids are at risk. Morons

        • T Ko

          And I say let him speak. If I don’t want to look at his garbage, then I collapse his comments from my view.

          I just want everyone to know that they have the same options.

        • George Williams

          “Legal Eagle can be a pain but he’s never threatened to shoot someone like the posters on some other websites.”

          Yes, the fact that he hasn’t threatened to shoot people should get him a Nobel Peace Prize. You have very low standards. LOL.

    • T Ko

      Yes, this will work out fine for those who are tired of seeing LE’s idiotic rants. Since I am replying directly to George’s comment, then my comment won’t be collapsed whenever LE’s comments are collapsed.

      Also, no matter what BS he posts, if you don’t see it then there is very little likelihood of getting suckered into responding to him.

      Poof! He and his insults are gone!

  • wally12

    Bernie: I really enjoy many of your analysis of the news. This article has some of both. Paragraphs One through five were fine. Paragraph six had one word that seemed out of place. You said that ” This is the bane of opinion pundits and commentators too,especially on cable TV and talk radio too”. You said “especially” meaning that standard TV isn’t as much of a problem as cable. I disagree. Standard TV and newspapers are even worst in that they hide the real story by clever wording and/or headlines that make the reader see only the headline and the first paragraph of the story in a misleading light and thus give a distorted message across to the reader/listener without him/her realizing it. I am sure you know that many people do not take the time or have the time to read or listen to the the complete story. Paragraph seven was again good until you tried to compare picking nose to dropping the bomb on Japan. Give us a break. You really need to think of a more appropriate comparison. Paragraph eight is one that has some validity. However, the talk radio commentator’s job is to show what the other side said and to agree or refute those statements. Rather than speeding up the process of division which is going to happen regardless, they also give some knowledge to those who may be fence riders and do not know the entire story and desire to learn more. If they were not there to explain the story, who would? It certainly would not be the originators. Am I missing something here? Last. I have an opinion that conflict can be a good thing. If everyone agrees, Is that a good thing and it is good for America? Of course not and I am sure you agree. So the answer is to agree to disagree but to follow your beliefs and to act on those beliefs. Do you agree?

    • legal eagle

      So the people who watch Fox News and listen to wackos like Limbaugh and Savage are fence sitters? People watch right wing garbage because they need an outlet to vent their bitterness for realizing that no one gives a crap about the government hating fringe of American society.

      • Deborah G

        here’s a clue moron Government shouldn’t be hating ANY of its citizens and actually govern. BTW 53% are not statistically the FRINGZE.Get an education. When government fears the people there isprosperity when the people fear the government it is tyranny.

      • wally12

        So the far left and other liberals watch MSNBC to vent their bitterness and to affirm their ideology. I find Limbaugh as a very effective thinker and a humorist. He hits the nail on the head often. I do not watch him or Fox news as a hater. I consider myself as very logical. So tell me why is it so important for you to call names such as “wackos and haters”? Is it because you have no other ideas to present?

        • legal eagle

          If the left watches MSNBC why is Fox’s ratings 3x that of MSNBC…The left has n equivalent of Limbaugh, Savage or the hate of Hannity…You listen to them because they espouse your views…You may ne very logical but your ideology is supported by the crap you listen to…The majority of the Limbaugh , Fox News demographic is older white males…

          • wally12

            Wow! So now I am a bitter person and uneducated? I repeat my previous statement that you appear to be the hateful, bitter and uneducated since many of your comments include derogatory name calling. I find that some left wingers do this since they do not have an intelligent response to people with opinions that deviate from their set ways and ideology. By the way, did you pick your handle as “Legal Eagle” because you are a lawyer or are you just pretending? Also for your information, I have an engineering degree but I don’t sign in as the “Scientist of the world”. Your statement that the MSNBC demographic actually work for a living and that is the reason they do not get involved in the political until election time is absurd since you also state that the Fox listener is uneducated which seems to say that those people do not work for a living.

          • legal eagle

            Wally,
            I am obviously talking about a demographic , not about you specifically. I am a lawyer but you can use any name you like on this site including “Scientist of the World”….The Fox News demographic is predominantly older, white, male and without a college degree…I assume you are smart enough to know that I did not say that “every” one who predominantly gets their news from right wing media is a member of that demographic….
            If hope my explanation is satisfactory…If I was a betting man I would bet that you are a white male over the age of 50…

          • T Ko

            Even with no substance behind it you really like to try and use the “old, fat, white guy” disparagement quite often, don’t you?

            It matches your MSNBC non-educated, low-class, big government, “handouts, please” mentality. There’s no hiding that fact.

            Legal Weasel, the IDIOT merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!

          • legal eagle

            Have you run out of Xanax again? Call your doctor and tell him your having an episode….LOL

          • T Ko

            The right has no equivalent of MSNBC, the most partisan of all talk shows…yes talk show. That’s why it is not a true news show. It makes it easier to sell to uneducated left-wingers.

        • legal eagle

          In contrast, political talk shows, particularly conservative talk programs, have older audiences. Large majorities of the regular viewers of Sean Hannity (66%) and The O’ Reilly Factor (64%) are 50 and older. Just 43% of all Americans are 50 and older. And while just 17% of the public is 65 and older, 42% of regular Hannity viewers and 40% of regular O’Reilly viewers are in that age category….
          You listen to these shows because you’re old and bitter…Logic has little to do with ideology.

          • T Ko

            Liberal talk programs, have less educated audiences, and they believe anything that the ideologues say.

            They are always asking for handouts and that’s why they support big government. That makes them unabashed idiots.

      • T Ko

        People watch left wing garbage because they need an outlet to vent their bitterness for realizing that no one gives a crap about their petty complaints about being on the outer fringe of American society.

        Legal Weasel, the IDIOT merde MORON Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!

  • Ksp48

    Even if true, that both sides indulge in it, one side is just talking and the other side has the power of the Presidency, Justice Department, IRS etc. etc. etc. etc. There is a huge difference in power and in responsibility.

  • D Parri

    Now, Bernie, it is amazing how effective this tool of “message discipline”, or persistent messaging, really is.

    Your own message in the article above is insidiously permeated with an altering of reality which allows for your comment “…misled, at best…”, which demands absolute denial of mental discipline in order float such an idea. I do not intend to revisit the arguments which state, unequivocally, that Obama knew the lies which proved to be lies were lies when he made the statements–over and over again.

    The point I want to make here is that your reference to “message discipline” is altogether alarmingly accurate, and the effects are sometimes recognized, and they are sometimes not recognized.

    Fairness in debate in generally recognized as a worthy pursuit, but fairness in political debate is usually not seen as a winning strategy. Caveat emptor.

  • D Parri

    Happy New Year, 2014, and Best Wishes…to all.

  • LHS

    I love to quote Mark Twain. The quote that explains all this chaos and stupidity so well. The quote the dumb and the dumbed-down cannot and will not get.
    “It’s easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled.”

  • JDan

    Barackhole is a liar.What’s all the quibblibg about.?

    • T Ko

      Not only that, he has gone to great lengths to prove that he is. It is hard to understand why folks find it so hard to accept.

  • George Williams

    When Obama and the Democrats are completely removed from office in 2016 I will have he luxury of becoming an Independent, as will many more citizens. Independence to me means a commitment to a government of law, faithfulness to the construction of the COTUS, surrendering to the States federal functions that are not justified in our sacred national charter. Every law and budgetary item will have to test constitutional muster. We need clarification to the Commerce Clause that will prevent the Congress and the President from using it to justify interference in economic matters beyond the authority that the Founders intended. Congress must abandon the mindset that the only way our nation can improve itself is for the federal government to pass new law. There has been no statement more nonsensical in the country recently than the pronouncement by the Democrats that the measure of success for a Congress is the number of new laws they pass. There are too many federal laws, so many that the federal courts find them impossible to litigate efficiently. And the cost of the accountants, both public and private, as well as the cost of expanding our Department of Justice to prosecute violators increases exponentially. The only true beneficiaries of this ever growing monster are the lawyers required to support either side of the issues, and ultimately wind up in Congress to feed their own kind wit new laws. Read Mark Levin’s new book, “The Liberty Amendments” and read about our course of action.

    • LHS

      Mr. George Williams,
      You state the our problem and the solution eloquently and succinctly. Our first and, in my opinion, biggest hurdle to getting our country back on track and on its constitutional footing is getting the conservative voter OFF THE COUCH and to the polls!

      • Deborah G

        And the Christians who too oiften turn the other cheek in their own demise

      • Sheila Warner

        True conservatives are the champions of the Constitution, are patriots, want the government to be done by the consent of the governed. So why, then, is it so hard to get them off of the couch? Do they not understand that not voting only enhances the chances that they will get a government they despise? Did they not understand the polls in 2012, about how the President was destined to be re-elected? If we have a dysfunctional and corrupt government, part of the blame can be laid right at the feet of those arrogant conservatives whose “principles” kept them from voting for Mitt Romney, as not being “conservative” enough. I hope they are all happy now.

    • Ted Crawford

      I feel much the same. This egregious administration has driven me to support ideologies that I previously considered too far right, not as far as accepting the idiocy of Ron Paul, but far enough to reconsider the far right ideas of the Tea Party and freighteningly enough to even take a serious second look at the NWO advocates!
      I have always considered the NWO contingent as overzealous, conspiracy theorists. Not that I didn’t believe that NWO proponants existed, but that their numbers, in America, would never reach a critical mass!
      Given the recent actions of the RNC, in general, and the Campaigns of both McCain in 2008, refusing to address Obama’s obvious faults, and even allowing, if not initiating, his own campain staff to launch a movement to discredit his own Vice-Presidential runningmate! and Romney in 2012, who after executing a Shermanesque, slash and burn, march to the General, over the bodies of his fellow Republicans, became a mealy-mouthed, Milquetoast in the General Election! I’m forced to posit that perhaps the numbers are less important than the positions they hold within our Political System! I miss the Liberal Democrats terribly!
      As for Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3, I believe that Mr. Madison explained it best;” It is very certain that [the Commerce Clause] grew out of the abuse of power by the importing States in taxing the non-importing States, and was intended as a negative and preventative provision against injustice amoung the States themselves, rather than as a power to be used for the positive purposes of the General Government.” James Madison

    • legal eagle

      Spoken like the true fool you are…Mark Levin will lead you to the promised land, after he takes your money…

  • SkyCitizen

    You are right again Bernie. The constant and never ending mischaracterization of the right by the left has been too many times answered by some picayune comment like the President taking his own photo at Nelson Mandela’s funeral. If it was Bush taking his own picture we would be up in arms about it and the argument would never move forward. Conservatives do have a winning argument for living in a Republic, Liberals do not. Liberals had to lie about healthcare so they could drag it across the goal line. Americans don’t like liars, period. Conservatives need to stay on message and take a lesson from Obama’s play book, repeat it, repeat it and repeat it again, The liberal’s lied about healthcare and that’s a cold hard fact. Even liberals understand the truth.

    • Deborah G

      I think we should be looking at good men like Trey Gowdy who possess clarity of thought and aren’t afraid to stand up to them.

  • George Williams

    To the moderates and independents: It would seem that the only rational position for so-called moderates, or independents at this time would be to join with the Republicans to defeat what amounts to a radical left regime occupying the presidency. Quibbling with the Republicans about their ideology at this time is unproductive, even nonsensical. Saying that you are for compromise at a time when we have a manifestly socialist, if not corrupt communist president in power, one whose shown no deference to the Constitution that he’s taken an oath to defend, is pointless at best. Obama and the Democrats have never shown a shred of evidence that they are interested in compromise. You’re like Qakers holding a flag of conciliation to the fanatical Japanese army of WWII. The only thing that it gets you is a Samuri sword at your throat. Obama has run you over with a truck, and you lie there in the road calling for compromise.

    • Deborah G

      I agree we simply have to defeat this destructive aganda for America once and for all then I believe we will return to the sanity of the Middle.I have always been a Middle of the road person until this absolute Chicago style Political power hungry machine took over. The fact is too many Americans feel disenfranchised. When 50% of a country feels they have zero voice and no choices it isn;t good for the National dialog or for creating growth. We are now so divided that people who are just saying NO MORE are being labled as fring extremists. The people who have fallen to the idoltry that is OBAMA have gotten drunk on him promising them the destruction of others as a means to their betterment.

      • Sheila Warner

        This is the clearest explanation I’ve read from you about being in the middle vs wanting an all out fight against the policies of the President. A pretty decent post, actually. You tend to type when you are seething, and those posts give that fact away. I know it’s hard out here, especially with legal eagle poking at you, but try not to let it get under your skin. Just ignore le.

        • Deborah G

          LOL you and I should be friends I have an Italian Temper from my mom. When I’m hot look out. I can tear anyone a new one. My husband is kind of a happy Irishman, he laughs at me when I get that mad. he always say “Now tell me what you really feel” The reality? I wasn’t even political particularily before this. I was always Center right fiscally conservative, but that being said I could always dislike a policy and not dispise an entire adminstration or man. This has set America to its knees this divisiness and the idea that America even needed to be “fundamentally” changed set me on fire. BTW I am a John Wayne patriot too if you know what that is. God. flag waving and love of Country with a great respect for our Military.

          • Sheila Warner

            I addressed your anger in another reply. Not trying to offend. Just my observations. James tells us that we cannot bless God with the same tongue that curses others made in his image.

          • Deborah G

            Good point hard to put into practice LOL

  • Lc Goodfellow

    “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.”
    ” Do not blame Caesar, blame the people of Rome who have so enthusiastically acclaimed and adored him and rejoiced in their loss of freedom and danced in his path and gave him triumphal processions. Blame the people who hail him when he speaks in the Forum of the ‘new, wonderful, good society’ which shall now be Rome’s, interpreted to mean: more money, more ease, more security, more living fatly at the expense of the industrious. ”
    — Marcus Tullius Cicero

    I really don’t have anything to add to this,
    It’s sad what we’ve become as a nation.
    Enter a ‘Third World Nation’ at your own Risk !

    • joepotato

      We have become Rome in the last days… or perhaps we are becoming a new 3rd Reich in the Hitler tradition… Either way, the USA may be FUBAR…

  • joepotato

    Bernie, you’re missing a little something… The cult of personality in the WH is a post turtle, a manufactured persona… So that begs the question, who hoisted him up on that post in the first place? I don’t think it was done by his magnificence alone… So who does he “really” work for…? The people have been scammed and wasn’t hard after decades of propaganda from the BS Media… Most thinking Americans should be disgusted and very concerned if not totally outraged that we’ve arrived at this place… Both “parties” share in the blame… (search ~ CCP Sheriff’s Kit) Happy New Year???? We’ll see….

    • legal eagle

      Brilliant observation from Mister Potatohead..

      • George Williams

        Such locution from a Democratic lawyer.

        • Deborah G

          he isn’t a lawyer. That is just another leftie moron.

          • George Williams

            He’s claimed to be, but could easily be a fraud.

          • T Ko

            He is a fraud. Another key point to remember if you want to collapse his comments is to always post your comment in reply to someone else that is not under the Weasel in a specific thread.

            That way, when you collapse his comment then it won’t collapse yours also.

    • T Ko

      Anyone replying to your comment should reply here.

      DO NOT REPLY TO LEGAL WEASEL

      That way you can collapse the Weasel’s comments and not be bothered by them. Their only intention is to try and piss people off. Very childish.

      • joepotato

        Brilliant… Legal beagle is obviously an OFA Obot…

  • Trooth

    “Low information” American voters are the Achilles heel of democracy.

    • legal eagle

      And you’re a high information voter because?

      • George Williams

        Because he’s come to the conclusion that Obama is a failure, and even with all the facts in hand to support this, by contrast, you haven’t.

        • JMax

          No such “facts” exist.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Wow. Just… wow.

          • legal eagle

            Most of the people who comment on this site don’t care about the facts and when they are given the facts they are too confused to understand them..

          • George Williams

            What facts? You provide nothing but tiny hit pieces with no discussion. What you provide is attacks on historical figures who are long gone from office, somehow thinking that this exonerates or mitigates the evils of your current messiah. You talk more like a man who is running Barack Obama for office currently occupied by Reagan and the Bushs. If you can’t stay in the present, buy a time machine, as nothing you say is relevant to the present. Even if all you said was true about the others, it has no meaning in the context of the corrupt acts and political faux pas of Barack Obama. You are the confused one. We are hurt by the acts of Obama. Try to stay on topic, legal beagle.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Oh, legal eagle occasionally provides some facts by linking to articles. The problem is that the facts in those articles typically negate his arguments. Since he’s too lazy to read past the headlines, he sets himself up for failure and doesn’t even realize it until someone points it out to him.

          • JMax

            Word.

      • Trooth

        I make it a point to monitor both the left wing and right wing media and refrain from making unknowledgeable decisions.

        • T Ko

          WARNING:

          If you want to collapse Legal Weasel’s comments, then don’t reply to him. You can post a reply, just make it a reply to your own comment or someone else’s comment, but NEVER in a thread with the Weasel’s comment above. Then just collapse his junk. Poof!

          • legal eagle

            Poof….like your brain function?

          • T Ko

            No, poof.. like you are gone! Poof!

          • Sheila Warner

            T Ko, if you collapse any comment, isn’t only collapsed for you, and not for others? You won’t read it, but they will?

          • T Ko

            Sheil, not sure what you are asking.

            If I collapse LE’s comment, then it is collapsed from my view only. Anyone who wants to view it can view it, or not. Each individual makes their own choice.

            Now, if I collapse LE’s comment above, then it will collapse everything below his comment on this single thread. That’s why I said to reply to someone else’s comment to avoid having your reply attached to his, so to speak, and then yours will be collapsed also if you collapse his comment. Basically, stay off of his reply threads.

            I hope that answers your question.

          • Sheila Warner

            Thanks, T. It did.

          • T Ko

            Anytime.

            Also, just so this information isn’t taken wrong (I don’t think you have), I want to point out that this isn’t meant to be a ban against LE or anybody else from posting. They are welcome to post to their hearts content.

            I simply wanted to share a way of avoiding their posts if so desired. That decision is made on an individual basis and should be available to whoever decides that they’ve had enough of their rants.

  • Iklwa

    The ability to maintain an “open mind” is a wonderful power.
    Listening to the opposing view with a possibility of modifying one’s own
    opinion, should facts warrant such, is a hallmark of civilized man (no offense
    to the gals out there). It is difficult for any level of civilization to creep
    into our political discussion when one side openly admits that no compromise
    will be tolerated (i.e. Mr. Obama’s comments. He IS the leader of the Democrat
    Party).

    The creation of the TEA Party is a direct result of this
    hard-line leftist agenda and the Republican Party’s lack of desire to take the
    fight to the democrats. The liberals really have no one but themselves to blame
    for their creation and influence in DC.

    I hate to point fingers but…throughout my life the only time
    I heard democrats take up the compromise chant is when they are in the minority
    or when the political winds are blowing so hard against them that they are forced
    upon the rocks and faced with imminent destruction. Whenever they find
    themselves in the majority, the term compromise fades from their vocabulary.

    I will also point out that never, I repeat, never will you
    see liberal pundits author an article of the same tenor as this one.
    Conservative pundits are all too willing to criticize there own and of times
    for no good reason.

    One thing I always take my hat off to the liberals about:
    They understand the concept of “Circling the Wagons” and rarely eat their own
    as the conservatives are all too want to do.

    • LHS

      Absolutely correct, lklwa. Absolutely correct.

  • Drew Page

    Bernie, I have listened to both sides. I consider myself a moderate Republican. I don’t think Democrats, or any group, are all good or all bad. In my seventy years, the only other time I can recall when this country was so divided was during the Vietnam War years, but even then the division was primarily based on being for or against the War, with civil rights issues being a close second.
    Over the past five years, I have witnessed the people of this country being turned upon each other young against old, the poor against the wealthy and middle class, minorities against whites, secularists against Christians, women against men, gays against straights, illegals against legal citizens, union against non-union and, of course, taxpayers against non-taxpayers. As I see it, President Obama has been responsible for much of this divisiveness. His chosen base is comprised of the young, the poor, minorities, secularists, women, gays, union members and liberals. As I see it, he casts these groups in his base as “victims” of their counter-parts and blames them (the counter-parts) for the “victimhood” of his base.
    Further, never have I experienced such deceit and outright deliberate lying by a President of the United States. These lies and deceptions are too numerous to count. As you wrote in your book, the MSM has a slobbering love affair with Obama and has for years refused to call him lies, deceits and failures to solve the problems of this country.
    These are the realities that matter and “eventually” has arrived.

    • legal eagle

      Oh the country was not divided over Reagan’s policies? And the haters on the right were not out to get the Clintons? I believe your memory is fading…

      • George Williams

        There is good reason to hate the Clintons. Obama lied to the American people over a cheap affair in the Oval office. This is the kind of dirt bag that we had as president, but the kind of dirt bag that you people love so much. The problem with you Democrats is that ends justifies means politics is the only thing you understand. Character matters not in the Democratic Party, yet it always seem to be disappointed with the outcome to the American people.

        • JMax

          Ends justify the means politics? You never heard of Reagan dealing with Iran over the hostages behind the government’s back? You never heard of Iran/Contra?

          • legal eagle

            Are you kidding…Bernie Goldberg’s followers don’t even remember Reagan cutting and running out of Lebanon after the bombing of the Marines…

        • legal eagle

          I think you’d better lock up your guns and get back on your Xanax

      • Deborah G

        The clintions needed no help they destroyed their credibility all by themselves. PLUS left a string of dead bodies behind them wherever they went

    • LHS

      A+

      • Iklwa

        Thank you!

    • Deborah G

      A+++++

  • Lc Goodfellow

    ” It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong “

    • joepotato

      Ask yourself… Who does he “really” work for…?

      • Deborah G

        SOROS

        • joepotato

          Soros is an intermediate level player in the scheme of things… The Bilderpukes and the CFR, some of whom belong to both organizations, are the real “deciders” in this global power grab… That’s not saying that uncle George isn’t a threat to our floundering republic, because he’s a soldier for the previously mentioned groups aka organizations… The rabbit hole runs deep…

          • Deborah G

            I always wanted a list of the Bilderburg people and call them out

          • joepotato

            The real elite B-pukes are mostly Europeans…Some are “royalty”, while others are just traitors to their respective countries … They meet once a year…

          • Deborah G

            I know all that but I was looking for a list of members

          • joepotato

            Alex Jones would possibly have that info or what is known … search it out…

    • Deborah G

      HAs ANYONE ever been fired in this ADMINSTRATION for anything? nope they get a boost up to the next government pay scale and given a bonus. Sebellius should have been fired but he’s afraid of what she will divulge. They are people that commit heinous crimes and since they do it in collusion they can’t do anything to each other for fear of what the other will tell. Sickening but true.

  • ulyssesmsu

    Is there any chance that conservatives will ever see things the same way as left-wing Marxists do? Then why blame “polarization” for tearing America apart and imply that things will be fine when we just all see things the same way? It will never happen. Polarization is not the problem. Dishonesty and unethical behavior, starting at the top, is the issue. We have a dishonest and fundamentally unethical president, and so we have a divided country. All else follows from that.

    • Bernie

      I never suggested that we should all see things the same way. But if you think polarization is not a serious problem, I think you’re wrong. We were also deeply divided when W was president. A liberal would say “all else follows from” him being in the White House. We should hold on to our beliefs. But not every issue is a reason to hate the “enemy.”

      • Deborah G

        We are polorized I agree but it is Ideologically government created 100%> Before I doubt there was even a fraction of this racism, hatred for Christianity and a total anger in the entire country because NO ONE is getting represented honestly or correctly. You can’t pass a bill of this NATIONAL magnitude and pit people against each other by taking away from one group and simply handing it to another you think will vote for you. You can’t takeover 1/6th of the economy never mind deny choice for the people who have been paying all along without representation from both sides since it affects both sides.

      • joepotato

        Polarization of the population is what dictators thrive to achieve when consolidating power… Hitler and others come to mind… There are few, if any coincidences in politics…

      • ulyssesmsu

        I understand “polarization” the way this dictionary defines it–“a sharp division [ . . . ] into opposing factions.” According to this, “polarization” doesn’t necessarily have to mean “hate.” In fact, people can be sharply polarized because of their beliefs, but not at all hate each other. Why is hate a necessary element?

        • George Williams

          When the left uses the “old white man” ploy, you can bet that it will polarize the nation between whites and all others.

          • legal eagle

            It’s only the bitter old white man that is being referred to…like yourself..

          • George Williams

            There you go, bringing race into the discussion, as inspected. Stereotyping white people is what the left does best.

        • Deborah G

          Because the left uses that word over and over to make people think the conservatives actually hate them. Maybe by now they do rightfully.

        • Lc Goodfellow

          “As democracy is perfected, the office of the President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people.
          On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and complete narcissistic moron.” — H.L. Mencken, The Baltimore Evening Sun, 26 July 1920.

          The Time Is Now !

      • D Parri

        Well said, and succinctly accurate.

    • Deborah G

      I have to agree./ Previously we were all pretty content and could take whatever was elected. Not so with this guy and it has ZERO to do with race while they say we hate him because he a black president I say in ALL honesty NO he;s the worst WHITE President we have ever had . WHY he;s as much white as he is black. AND because he is a Communist and don’t gild that ;lily by saying he is a Socialist. he’s not even Communism lite. He is a die hard ideolog who wants total control because he thinks HE knows better so what happens? He doesn’t know what to do with the control so he divides everyone hoping in the confusion he creates he’ll sneak by like he has done his whole life. To me his persona is just that. He’s a pryomanic Community AGITATOR nothing more. He starts the fires when they get out of control he looks around in bewilderment and says I didn’t do that.The string pullers use his ridiculous policies to get what they want. We have far more dangerous people than OBAMA in our midst one being Valerie Jarret, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. He’s a clown and not a very commited one at that.

    • legal eagle

      As opposed to that ethical and honest genius you elected named George W. Bush?

      • George Williams

        Bush has more ethics in his big toe than the batch of criminals in the White House.

        • JMax

          Batch of criminals? Can you list this alleged criminal activity?

          • Deborah G

            Where do you want to start? Holder and his coverup of Fast and Furoious? Benghazi? Just where have you been ? Up the black hole of OBAMA ‘s propaganda? like all you liberals You can’t see the truth because you wouldn’t know what to do if you heard it.

          • JMax

            What coverup of fast & furious? The Issa fantasy scandal? What exactly is being covered up?

            I read volumes on a daily basis and from all political persuasions. I’m well informed and current.

            What Benghazi coverup? What is being covered up? I’ve heard the truth and read the truth. What are the “sources” for your “truth”?

          • Deborah G

            The gun running there? The fact that it WASN”T the video, watch the Trey Gowdy video answer to that BS and his proof about the timeline for the British getting out and the Red Cross? How about the video wasn’t even translated into their language until after those attacks? How about you are a OBAMA suck up who probably thinks he hasn’t told one lie about OBAMACARE>I am well informed and current as well as an integral part of politics.Let’s just say he didn’t get the Pinnochio award because he is honest. He’s a patently dishonest manAnd Hillary the “Avowed” progressive {read that Saul Alinsky devotee` is a Communist Lite just like all you progressives you think america wants what you are selling. 68% of us don’t./ The rest are either on benefits or trying to get them some. Oh and the illegals and their new citizen spawn. I will never agree with you. I dispise “Progressives and everything they stand for. You sir actually make me sickl with your un American Socialist BS>

          • JMax

            Gun running? Who was gun running? The government wasn’t gun running.

            The CIA said from day one that the video played a part in the attack on the consulate. The investigative report from the NY Times backs that up, that radicals at least used the outrage over the video as cover to engage in the attack.

            “How about the video wasn’t even translated into their language until after those attacks?”

            How absurd! You think that none of those people speak English or heard from people who wanted to stir up s**t what it was about? How do you account for riots in Cairo over the video on the same day as Benghazi? Those people apparently didn’t wait for the translation. There were demonstrations all over the world that day.

            I watched some of the Gowdy video from the committee hearing. It’s mostly blather. Hicks wasn’t in Benghazi that night. Gowdy asks why Rice went on “five. different. Sunday. Talk. Shows” to say what she did. There is incontrovertible evidence that the CIA and ONLY the CIA told her to. What EXACTLY do you think is being covered up here?

            Maybe you should go have a shot of tequila and Pepto Bismol. I’m as American as they come, and you probably don’t know what “socialist” means. I’m not a Socialist.

          • Deborah G

            maybe not but you are totally naive and ill informed. They were running guns to Syrian Rebels EVEN that slipped out until the news was told to stop saying that. In fact check your beloved MSNBC they let that one slip. The NYT? A complete left wing Hillary promoting white wash. Like we don’t know who they will be endorsoing. Here’s a clue it isn’t a Republican. AND BTW? There are more smart informed people than the NYT most do NOT believe that moronic sophomoric video incited anyone to do anything but turn it off.

          • JMax

            You might want to check this page:

            http://www.cbsnews.com/news/widespread-protests-against-us-over-anti-muslim-film/

            This and other reports from CNN and other news agencies indicated riots over the “sophomoric” video in Cairo, Yemen, Pakistan, Somalia, Tripoli, Sudan, and Tunisia, to name a few. So you are ill-informed on that. Note I’m not citing the NYT in any of these. Also it was reported that the video was dubbed in Arabic at the beginning of September, so you are ill-informed on that, too. Some Muslims would riot against Finding Nemo if they were told it denigrated Islam or the Prophet.

            Nice pivot on fast & furious. Guess you are ill-informed on F&F. It has not been confirmed that the US was providing guns to the Syrian rebels through Benghazi, but it’s likely, and so what? Republicans have claimed that the administration has taken too long to ship these arms. So which is it? Provide arms or not provide arms?

            Why would you think that MSNBC is privy to any news that they wouldn’t “let slip out”?

          • Deborah G

            CNN is not the bastion of truth and has been discreduited as well as MSNBC> Look let’s just be honest. I don’t like or trust Obama. I think he is an ideolog of the Alinsky way and I think his supporters are morons. Thats it. nothing can change my mind. I have a good sense of reality and am very perceptive. WHat some epeople see as proof positive now? I can guarantee you I will be proven right.If somnething smells it smells and the stench coming out of the WH is unbearable. I don’t see him as a reasonable , kind, benificent leader. I see him as a complete failure and Hillary a zero. IF anyone allows themselves to be thrown under the bus by an ameteur what do you think Putin will do to her? Or China? Another weak link. Billy boy is just drooling to get back to the WH> The whole things is sickening. You libs give passes to the most dispicable people and make them icons. Now is that clear enough ?

          • JMax

            “Now is that clear enough ?” It’s clear that you are either a bitter, un-American, ill-informed ideologue, or you’re simply off your meds.

            Unlike you, I don’t have a problem with people who have a different philosophy from mine. I do have a problem with people who can’t simply leave it at
            that and must denigrate the intelligence, motives, and body odor of people they disagree with.

            You can see Obama as a “complete failure” and I can provide you a list of accomplishments that easily
            refute that absurdity. I don’t think you DO have a good sense of reality based on this assertion and others you have made here.

            As far as CNN and MSNBC, no news organization is perfect. To make a sweeping assertion of their being “discredited” is absurd. Are you thinking FOX
            is above question?

            The “Alinsky way” is a way of effectively
            organizing communities to empower them to gain justice or any other agenda. You can be sure that the Tea Party organizers are using the same
            Alinsky tactics. Does that make the Tea Party commies, too?

            How has Hillary been thrown under the bus? By whom? She is well-respected by most of the country and a large part of the world. I don’t know what
            you are talking about as icons. I don’t know anybody who considers any of them “icons”.

          • Deborah G

            You couldn’t provide me with a road map of Obam’s accomplishments that I would believe. lets just face it you and I will never agree or see eye to eye. You can’t see anything because your head is so far up his butt there is total darkness. To me he is a Godless person to bless the mrdering Planned Parenthood and it goes from bad to worse. Hillary? She disgusting in my book but hey if you like her you sleep with her Bill sure takes his business elsewhere.

          • JMax

            You really are a nasty person, aren’t you. Happy New Year. (BTW, I am a Planned Parenthood volunteer as well as a worship leader at my church.)

          • Sheila Warner

            Better stay out from under trees if you play golf.

          • JMax

            First rule of golf when it comes to T-storms. :-)

          • Deborah G

            What Church is that? The United Church of gay? Really? What do you do there? Suck the babies from their mother’s wombs because they are a threat to homsexuals? Or do you have a prayer group to pray for your depraved souls? If you think I’m nasty then you need to look in the mirror Buddy. You are rotten from the inside out. Anyone who could vlounteer for such a Godless place then skip off to church to worship God is a sociopath. A total disconnect . Thank you. I’ll worship God and pray that people like you get some religion. There are no words to describe the contempt I have for Planned Parenthood , and people who support such a vile entity.

          • JMax

            “There
            are no words to describe the contempt I have for Planned Parenthood”

            All evidence to the contrary.

          • Deborah G

            I actually held myself back The revulson I feel for the disgusting things liberals stand for are beyond words, That’s a fact Jack

          • Deborah G

            FYI? The only UN AMericans are the liberals. I want all good things for Americans not just a preferred group.I want the rich to keep what they earned and the poor to gain wealth through free markets, I want the Middle class to stop getting taken over the coals by this guy. PS I love the Miltary and their Sevice. I think we should throw the illegals out and give the money we spend on their AID TO DEPENDANT CHildren to the Military families. That’s what i’m about a real American not one that thinks it needed to be fundamentally changed. America was fine and dandy before this mmoron came into power. he has a regime not an adminstration. Hillary? let’s not even go there with ZERO accomplishments. Worst SOS ever but old lantern jaw coward war protestor is working on beating her zero record.

          • Sheila Warner

            I addressed the rhetoric as well. Especially the comment about hoping he is under a tree when lightning strikes.

            I am opposed to the President’s policies, but I would never wish him any harm. I pray for him and his safety We are all made in God’s image. (IMHO)

          • JMax

            I appreciate that. Happy New Year, Sheila!

          • Sheila Warner

            Here is where your anger shows. I disagree vehemently with President Obama’s policies, and I believe he has deliberately misled the American people time and again. However, as a Christian it is my duty to love him as myself. I pray for him. Sure, his actions upset me, get me angry and frustrated, but I do not hate him. He is a true believer in far Left ideology, so of course he is pursuing far Left policies.

          • D Parri

            I invite you to entertain a slightly different point of view, at least temporarily.

            If you viewed the American people, generally, with the same regard as you would view your own children…your own flesh and blood, then what would be your feeling towards someone who has intentionally lied and deceived them–your children–and made false promises that ultimately hurt them.

            Even if there was a stated purpose to help someone else, the lies and false promises which ultimately took income from your children would not digest well with you–I believe.

            Loving those who hurt your children would be a much more difficult task, but in the sense of Christian Love it would be demanded.

            I believe that following the principle of Christian Love is not demanded of those who have been affronted by an agent of Evil. Acts of evil such as lying, deceit, and greed are not borne of God’s will and there is a clear separation in the origins of Good and Evil.

          • Sheila Warner

            I like the attitude in the Beatitudes, myself, where Jesus tells us to love our enemies. Then he walked the talk when he asked his father to forgive those who were murdering him. Throughout the centuries, we have seen saints do the same thing. God will have the final say on punishment. We can disagree, and even get angry, but we are still required to do good to those who persecute us. (Matthew 5 & Luke 6)

            Of course, that is my interpretation of what Jesus meant, and as a Christian, I still believe it is my duty to do as he asks of us.

          • D Parri

            I believe that our enemies take a variety of identities, ranging from Satan himself to a friend whom we’ve gotten cross with over something petty.

            Depending upon the nature of the enemy I also believe that there are times when we are called to fight against evil and that will probably preclude struggling to love the enemy who is operating as an agent of that evil.

            Therefore, we must determine what God would have us do, and we will more than likely need His guidance. If the force of spirit is evil, then pray for guidance in dealing with it.

            It is not wrong to identify an evil spirit and commit to working against it. I agree with your reflection upon being called to love our enemies.

            However, it is sometimes a difficult thing to accomplish, but I like to express this dilemma as a juxtaposition of loving the person but hating the bad or evil things that they do or have done.

            In holding onto this “love the person” perspective, I find that forgiveness is so much easier to achieve. It still requires that person who committed trespasses against you to repent of their actions and ask forgiveness.

            Finally, the most clear affirmation of a repentant spirit is to put away their old behavior and change their ways. That is why I usually find it personally acceptable to withhold the “love the person” outlook until I have seen a true change in the person from their former path.

            So, if a person has been proven to promote falsehoods (characterized as ‘lying’) for personal greed and gain, then I do not feel compelled to forgive and love that person unless they change…because they are still serving another master in their actions other than God.

          • Sheila Warner

            I didn’t address forgiveness. There are those who believe that you only can forgive a person if that person repents. I like to practice what I call “proactive” forgiveness; that is, recognizing the wrong a person has done to me without constantly holding it against that person. That is really really hard, especially when that person keeps hurting me over and over again.

            I also believe in confronting true evil when and where it occurs, if at all possible. But I think you can take a stand against an evildoer without hating the person. After all, the Bible says that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

            Do I achieve that level of forgiveness? Not all of the time, for sure. But that’s the goal for which I strive. It’s why I try to choose my words carefully when I reply to an angry and vindictive person. Why get into the gutter with such a one?

          • kayakbob

            Hey D. I would like to comment on one thing you wrote. Perhaps I am quibbling over a single term, but I disagree with the term “most” in “the most clear affirmation…..old behavior and change their ways.” Personally, I believe behavioral changes are the ONLY measure of an apology or request for forgiveness. Absent a clear change in behavior, an apology is simply a group of words uttered to make an uncomfortable situation go away, which is a very different thing from actually being sorry for something said or done. Harsh? Perhaps. But as they say, “actions speak louder than words”.

          • D Parri

            KY, my friend, I’m afraid I might surprise you here but here goes. I agree with everything that you said, even to the possibility of minutia in terminology.

            In other words, the most accurate and appropriate phrase is still “Actions speak…words.” Unfortunately for me, I chose to ‘cast the wide net’ and include other forms of affirmation, such as the proverbial apology.

            When all is said and done, though, an honest and sincere apology will be followed by a behavioral change. So, I think we both end up at the same place, regardless of the approach.

            I don’t think that is harsh at all…I think it is a blessing we have been granted–wisdom.

          • Deborah G

            I hate no one but the fact is he is destructive to the American way of life. I am a stone cold Patriot and that is unacceptable.

      • ulyssesmsu

        I disagree that GWB was dishonest and unethical. But even if he was, that doesn’t excuse the dishonest and unethical behavior of BHO. In fact, you made my point.

        • George Williams

          Once they expended their ability to proclaim their ethical superiority to the present politicians in power, all they are left with is reaching back in history to disparage those irrelevant to the present.

        • legal eagle

          Oh, I forgot that the Bush Administration claimed that Iraq had nuclear weapons….did you forget about torture, black sites, getting the Bin Laden family out of the U.S. after 9/11? Very ethical and honest….Wake up…

          • George Williams

            There were a handful of people who suffered water boarding. You’ll have to back up you statement about Iraq having nuclear weapons, because I doubt anyone recall something that didn’t happen. It’s easy for you to second guess what the facts are, especially when you hold so much hate for those you, legal beagle, feel to be your personal enemies. Even intelligence agencies aren’t 100 percent accurate in their work. Of course, if it’s Obama’s government, everything is forgivable. Of course, to Democrats, Obama’s personal hit list and use of drones to rain HELLFIRE missiles on people is far more humane. As far as I can recall, there has been no president in history, before Barack Obama who has relished the personal responsibility for pulling the trigger on his fellow man while as commander in chief. Water boarding is quite tame by comparison. Your references are laughable and hypocritical at the same time. As to lies, there’s no president second to that of the liar in chief, Barack Obama. Wake up, sock puppet.

          • Deborah G

            I personally have zero problem with waterboarding terrorists NEXT?

          • ScranunSlim

            Waterboarding — let’s keep it “safe, legal and rare”

          • Deborah G

            The point is keep it. the old “we’re better than they are and don’t use torture ” went out the window when the weenie liberals emasculated the entire Military court system for war crimes and prisoners of war. Now they go running to the Maxist UN and beg permission so the world likes us. Get real they are never going to like us. I can live with that in fact when they do start to like us we are in trouble.

          • Deborah G

            FYI Hillary and the rest of the democrats heard the same intel for all the other countries and VOTED in the Democratic held Congress to fund it AND he went throughALL the proper channels. Obama? Not so much. You just don’t have any facts on your side do you?

          • Deborah G

            FYI he didn’t claim they had Nuclear weapons, The INTERNATIONAL INTEL said he had weapons of mass destruction. i.e Chemical weapongs which BTW the navy has footage of them being convoyed into Syria where they were used on Syrias citizens recently

          • Lc Goodfellow

            Preacher’s looking for”Thee” and j copper.

            Guess who agreed that there were WMDs??

            President Bill Clinton
            Madeline Albright
            Sandy Berger
            Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry
            Rep. Nancy Pelosi
            Sen. Bob GrahamSen.
            Carl Levin
            Al Gore
            Sen. Ted Kennedy
            Sen. Robert Byrd

            and many, many more. The common thread, They are all democrats so, if Bush lied about the WMDs, so did all these dems.

        • Deborah G

          I think he was one of the most patenetly honest and decent men we have ever had in the office albeit flawed at times there was never any question of his love of America, her exceptionalism and his Patriotism. To this day he greets homecoming troops at the airpiort. The militaru loves him they can’t stand nor do they trust OBAMA>

    • T Ko

      DO NOT REPLY TO LEGAL WEASEL’S COMMENTS

      When you do that, then you can collapse his comments without affecting anyone else’s posts.

    • Deborah G

      I couldn’t agree with you more. The divisoon has zero to do with race,it has to do with the smug thumbing of his nose at the constitution. His arrogant belief that “WE” are too fing stupid to know what we should think and do for ourselves. The apparent and blatent dishonesty about destroying our healthcare for something that could have been done in a bi partoisan manner. I am sick and tired of being pout upon by leeches and illegals. Enough is enough. The last straw was the INS flying in the children of illegals because OBAMA wanted to reunite families. He knowing breaks the laws for his own vision. he’s a fraud, a Liar and his integrity is non existant. I thought I’d head it all when someone here said he said GOD BLESS PLANNED PAERNTHOOD! WHAT? God will never bless them in fact they’ll be lucky if they aren’t struck by lightening.I hope he’s under a tree on the golf course when that happens.

      • Sheila Warner

        “,,,they’ll be lucky if they aren’t struck by lightening.I hope he’s under a tree on the golf course when that happens.”

        You’re not really wishing death on anyone, are you?

        “Love thy neighbor as thyself”. How do you reconcile the two? You can robustly argue against the President’s policies without wishing him dead; you did say “I hope HE’S under a tree” after all.

        Can you hear the sound of many Christians slapping their hands to foreheads when they read such stuff? Can you hear us saying “oh, no, not another Christian hater”?

        • Deborah G

          LOL of course not I’d just like them to get the Bejesus scared out of them

  • lark2

    Bernie, what you say is all true however the Democrats are always the same … and the Republicans have always been expected to “go along” or somehow, acquiesce … in th name of moderation. The Democrats, with the help of the media, ALWAYS ultimately get their way and the Republicans are always perceived as intransigent and uncaring rich white guys. The Republican party is in the midst of change … from going along to get along to actually defeating Democrats and the Liberals. The problem is the “Republican establishment ” is not good at winning … they are good at going along. The NEW Republicans are fighters and they are prepared to stand on principles. The real problem is an electorate that is uneducated and uninformed and a media that is virilantly partisan. It is a mistake to blame “talk radio” or Republicans who are principled and want to “fight” for what they believe. When at the same time accepting Democrats who will lie, cheat, and steal to get what they want with the help of their media friends. The latest example is the bullshit story put out by the New York Times on Benghazi just to help clear the decks for Hillary. The NYT must be attacked relentlessly and shown up for what they are. This nonsense must not be allowed to stand. The old Republicans will let it pass … the new Republicans have got to climb all over this.

    • Deborah G

      And they are but we as Conservatives have to let them

  • Brhurdle

    Mr. Goldberg has done it again – spread around the criticism so he doesn’t look biased. Yes, President Obama was extremely partisan, but those opinion pundits and commentators were just as much to blame – you must be joking. Since when did Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity (why don’t you go ahead and say it since your euphemisms aren’t fooling anybody) have the same power as the bully pulpit. I for one see the commentators and pundits serving a useful function by maintaining an adversial position – it only becomes “destructive” when you disagree with what they say. I remain confused in trying to decide who corrupted who in the O’Reilly/Goldberg confab.

    • Bernie

      I’m not sure what you mean when you say I’ve “done it again.” When I was a correspondent with CBS News I took a stand and wrote about liberal bias in the media. On O’Reilly show, I don’t always take a predictable position. I suspect you want me to agree with you on everything — then I’d be a great guy. No, things don’t get destructive when I don’t agree with what someone says. But it sounds like YOU think things get destructive when YOU don’t agree with what the other guys says.

      • Deborah G

        The reality is Bernie that we do appreciate you BUT this adminstration has taken ideology to the level of moderates becoming hard swing to the right people because we are afraid that if we give this guy an inch he’ll have us under Kremlin rule. Look I never felt this way in all the years since Eisenhaur. I’ve seen them all and could live with them all. This guy is just so patently dishonest and a control freak. I wake up every single day fearing what the government is going to do next to hurt me and hurt me he has. My customer base can’t afford anything or are too scared to spend, My healthcare that I CHOSE with the benefits I wanted was great is now gone and I have to make a decision to fire people and go with a fine or spend a fortune. He lied. He is bad and wrong for America on any level. He hasn’t got the best interests of this country at heart, he has Communism in his soul, mark my old words of wisdom.. YOU? Sometimes you scare me too. When you get too reasonable I worry of they haven’t gotten to you LOL have a HAppy New year

        • legal eagle

          ” I wake up every single day fearing what the government is going to do next to hurt me and hurt me he has.”
          Have you seen a mental health professional about your paranoia?

          • Deborah G

            This is far from paranoia. When your government makes laws that give to one group at the financial harm to anither it is wrong. When you take choice away from one group to subsidize the free handouts to another it is wrong. When you make business laws that hurt business growth it is wrong. This admisnistration is hell bent on destroying one group for the benefit of another. THOSe are the facts. When you give benefits in the form of welfare to illegals children {Aid to dependant Children] but cut benefits and pay to the military men and women that hurts THEIR AMERICAN families that is wrong.When you try an dismantal an entire industry for your agenda at the taxpayer expens that is Communism. yes this country should be screaming.And they are

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            You have to understand that legal eagle’s definition of patriotism is rolling up into the fetal position and submitting to the will of Democratic politicians.

          • Deborah G

            LOL great analogy

          • legal eagle

            What facts are you stating? What industry is being dismantled? Whose cutting military pay?

  • brickman

    I’m a moderate so I get bashed by both sides. At best I’m called “squishy”. That’s not true either. I’m hardcore,severely moderate. If you want conservatives to talk to liberals have them leave your site for thirty days and go on to liberal sites. You should persuade a liberal website writer like Joe Conason to send his commenters here. You could also hire a liberal ( I’d be fine with a moderate) counterpoint to John Daly on your site.

    • Brian Fr Langley

      I’m really sick of the term “moderate”. If I’m against abortion I’m labeled extreme, If I’m for, I’m labeled moderate. Against Gay marriage, Extreme, if for, moderate. No condoms in schools, extreme, for condoms in schools, moderate. (etc. etc. ect.) How is it possible that in two OPPOSING viewpoints one is always labeled moderate, and the other extreme? By defintition two opposing points are at extremities, one from the other. Moderate today simply means you’ve bought into the socialist media description of how they view the world.

      • brickman

        There are as Bernie says liberals and conservatives. There are also moderates. We are sometimes forgotten although we determine who wins elections. Liberals and conservatives are not usually extremist although both have those wings.

        To be honest, Brian, I rarely think about abortion and gay marriage. I NEVER think about condoms in schools. I guess that people concerned with those things can’t imagine that there are people like me who voted for both Obama and Reagan.

        • Brian Fr Langley

          So what’s moderate? Running up Federal, State, and Municipal debt? Printing money? (QE1,2,3, etc) Artificially lowering interest rates? (penalizing savers while rewarding spenders) Don’t believe in anthopogenic warming? You’re called a denier. You know, like right wing Nazi type, holocaust deniers? I’d be very interested in what liberal (or conservative) point of view you consider “moderate”? I suspect if it’s a traditional view it will likely be considered extreme by most liberal types, and if it’s called “moderate” I suspect it will be a liberal position.

          • Sheila Warner

            You’ll recognize moderates when you see them being labeled simultaneously with diametrically opposing insults. Moderates are called liberals by folks like you while at the same time we are called rt wing nutters by folks like le. Moderates make both the far left and the far right froth at the mouth at the same time.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            So I ask again, what is a moderate (vs hard right) position on abortion, Federal, state, and municipal debt, Federal, state, and municipal deficits, global warming, or gay marriage, etc. etc. etc.? Is being opposed extreme, while favoring them are moderate?

          • brickman

            The moderate position on debt is that we recognize that EVERYONE is against it. It is not being used as part of a plot to enslave the American People. Clinton Dems and Gingrich GOPers even had the budget balanced not that long ago. It can be done again. It is a goal that should try to be accomplished. It is not the only goal. We went in debt to win World War II. Reagan took us into more debt to win the Cold War. If the govt. needs to fund unemployment insurance or to save a nationally vital industry in what was a bank induced crisis, I’m for it within reason.

            I never see the people opposed to food stamps opposing farm subsidises which raise the price of food. If you do it is never with the same amount of bile.

            Bernie Goldberg said recently he was getting tired of the culture wars. Me,too. I not upset when the cashier says “Happy Holidays” to me or when the high school valedictorian tells me how a “belief in Jesus Christ” got her to where she is today.

          • George Williams

            “The moderate position on debt is that we recognize that EVERYONE is against it.”

            Let me see, the moderate’s position is that the Democrats are against a large debt, despite the fact that el Supremo Obama and his minions have demanded we raise the Debt every year since he entered office, and refuses to reform the entitlements that are the ultimate perpetuator of such a condition. You live in a fantasy. My position is that the evidence is in that Obama is a radical leftist, as are many Democrats these days, who have the intent to bring down our capitalist form of economics in favor of wealth redistribution and control of corporations through unionization, unions on corporate boards, wage control, business regulation and environmental regulation. The old revolutions called for people with pitchforks and torches. The new revolutions call for deception and using coercive and restrictive law to direct wealth redistribution. Virtually everything Obama has done is indicative of this intent.

          • brickman

            The deficit is coming down. The debt is going up , but that is interest on previous years.We disagree on whether this is being done to enslave us. I didn’t need to write a book.

          • George Williams

            You really haven’t a clue, do you? The deficit went down because of the sequester. The only thing the recent budget with between the Republicans and the Democrats did was to reduce the rate of growth of the deficit and consequently the National Debt. If Obama had his way, or has his way with conquering the Republicans in 2014, Obama would go on another stimulus spending spree. If the Republicans don’t keep the House during the next election cycle. Obama has stated his intention to increase the deficit by way of another stimulus. Tell me that you were aware of this. People like you shouldn’t have the right to vote, as you are a low information voter who only knows what the Obama controlled main stream media tells you. You give this man the benefit of the doubt in spite of all the evidence that he is not entitled to it. Why don’t you hang out in the HufPo. They’ll tell you what you want to hear and you can go back to your sofa and beer and not worry about the future of the nation.

          • brickman

            I don’t want commenters to say what I want to hear. I guess that’s what separates us. That’s why you spout such long winded nonsense, you’re never challenged. I know the deficit is coming down, the sequester had something to do with it. I don’t mind the two parties working something out. It’s what I expect. Many on your side said that agreement was treason from both parties trying to enslave us. The deficit is also dropping because revenues are rising. That’s the tax increase. Entirely Obama. The deficit has been dropping, not the rate of the deficit. You’re changing the subject.

            I notice an effort to banish all opinions other than far right ones, I don’t agree with the Huffpo’s either. Do you guys feel that you’re losing the arguments or is it that you’re only comfortable in what Bernie called the “echo chamber” in the article above.

          • Deborah G

            I used to be a moderate then the Democrat party went Communist or Communist lite as they call OBAMA>

          • legal eagle

            I hate to break it to you but they stopped calling people communists in the 1950’s….Where in the 21st century now…Wake up…

          • George Williams

            If they stopped calling roses roses in the 1950’s, they would not become lilacs. If a party acts like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck. A close evaluation of the ideology of the Democratic Party would reveal the current ideology to be identical in nature to classical communism of yesteryear. Communism was discredited, with the term “communist” becoming a pejorative in the 1950’s, because they allied themselves with the politics of Joseph Stalin, a man who starved millions of Ukrainians and was responsible for the death of millions of others in political purges. Like the millions of liberals who supported communism under Stalin, Legal Beagle is a relic of these last crestfallen dregs of the movement. He’s never learned the lesson, however, and like Obama, expects better outcomes from the same old failed policies of the Soviet Union.

          • Deborah G

            Ok Commies, lefties, progressives a pig by any other name is still a pig

          • Sheila Warner

            Moderates look at issues, listen to both extremes, and then take what makes sense from both sides. Let’s take Obamacare. We need to find a way for those without affordable health insurance to obtain it. I think most everyone agrees on that. The problem with Obamacare as it was developed was that it abandoned that basic principle. Instead, the government decided what health insurers had to include in a basic plan. They then came up with the scheme to fund their vision. Thus, it moved from a central position of helping people to afford health insurance into the monstrosity of mandates that we now have. That’s why moderates can oppose Obamacare without being on the Right. I hope that helps.

          • legal eagle

            Moderates are people in positions of responsibility who have to answer for their decisions….as people like yourself have no position of responsibility you can be as extreme as you’d like…

          • George Williams

            Obama has never answered for this miscalculations, and is the most radical of presidents ever, disproving your argument completely.

          • brickman

            I can only speak for myself but I cut a lot of slack for believers on both sides of the abortion issue. Chris Smith was my congressman until redistricting, he’s as pro life as anyone. My current Congressman is Jon Runyan, I couldn’t tell you ANYTHING about his abortion position. I like him because he was trying to pass a clean CR. My US Senators are both pro choice as is Obama. I’ve voted for all of them because I consider that a personal belief and I can respect their opinions. All seem heartfelt.

            Where I see extremes on that issue is the support people have for a person who walks into a church and kills a doctor. See the difference? Or the support people gave by hiding someone who plants a bomb at the Olympic Games to somehow promote a pro life position.

            From a discussion earlier in the week you know I have no sympathy for islamic terrorists even if they’re American citizens who haven’t been tried.

            Personally, I believe gun ownership is an individual right. I also believe EVERYONE should pass a background check. I don’t see these 2 views as being contradictory.

            I believe in Adam Smith’s view of capitalism not Ayn Rand’s. I know the difference between a welfare state and socialism. I try to look at the big picture. If you want to know my views, stay tuned.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            I personally find it hard to reconcile a view that deliberately subordinates the U.S. Constitution as a moderate view. There is nothing moderate about lawlessness. By definition lawlessness is extreme. Many liberals think their views are moderate because they mistake libertinism with liberty. I guess though, if you believe supporting those sections of the U.S. Declaration of Independance and the Constitution you agree with, makes you a moderate, in your eyes you’re a moderate. What I find hilarious is those folks who support those documents in full, are now routinely called extremist. Not that I’m against changing the Constitution (that would be lawful) but it’s ironic that Constitutional supporters (the lawful) are now considered extremist, while constitutional subordinators (the lawless) call themselves moderates.

      • Deborah G

        Exactly to me a moderate or middle person has morals and beliefs and that includes abortions, accepting alternative lifestyles as normal or any of the extreme positions. IF you are against those things you are EXTREME> me personally ?I used to be a lot more accepting and sympathic now I find I am angry, upset and defensive because of this man making it a race to the poles. when you walk all over people, take things away from them for the sake of someo other group that he decides should have it and trample their beliefs what do they do? run as fast as they can in the opposite direction. He created this he own it.

        • legal eagle

          You didn’t become angry and bitter until a colored guy became President? I find that hard to believe…

          • George Williams

            That would only be true if color and incompetence are welded together inseparably, however, the fact is that the TEA Party that you so rabidly hate has thinkers and men of honor like Allen West and Ben Carson on its side. On the other hand, the Democrats have the race baiter Masters of the Universe and pseudo intellectuals like Jesse Jackson, Van Jones and Al Sharpton in their unholy alliance with the former advocates of racism and plantation owners that is the Democratic Party. LOL!

          • Collector

            Many of us became bitter when idiots like you believed this colored man earned the job! Earned? That might be a concept you do not embrace.

          • legal eagle

            Those pesky elections..How dare the majority of voters vote for someone you dont like?

          • George Williams

            It’s so sad for the Democratic Party that winning elections isn’t equivalent to promulgating successful public policy. I look upon their wins as national tragedies imposed upon the people by what amounts to the new political fanatics of our time. Winning elections by making promises that can never be realized is nothing to be proud of, but for Democrats like Legal Beagle, winning is all that is necessary for happiness.

          • Deborah G

            I am the lefts worst nightmare 1/2 Jewish mixed race educated CONSERVATIVE woman. BTW? Isn’t that what HARRY REID called OBAMA an acceptable well spoken colored guy who didn’t have the black accent?

          • legal eagle

            If your mother was Jewish you are considered Jewish…
            The only people who consider you a nightmare may be your family and friends….when did you become such a hater?

      • legal eagle

        Condoms in schools? You’re against condoms in schools?

        • George Williams

          Shocking that someone might disagree with you, legal beagle? It’s inconceivable that someone might think that spending taxpayer money on this would be wrong. If you liberals are concerned with your children being promiscuous, and I can understand that you have good reason for this, perhaps you should take the initiative and pay for them yourselves. And it is isn’t unheard of for people to spend their own money at the pharmacy for this, even children, if that’s your problem. My, my, you might have to take a sedative to calm you down.

        • JanelleHumbert

          Condoms are somewhere after science, math, English, history, art and all the branches. Perhaps health, but I feel that is best left to family, physicians and pharmacists.

    • Sheila Warner

      Isn’t it fun to be a moderate? I’ve been called so many names by so many ideologues, that I have lost track. We moderates are considered some kind of political traitors. As if there is never any middle ground for extremes to meet upon. Here’s an idea–how about sending Harry Reid over to the GOP for 30 days, and Boehner can go to the Senate during that time. They both have to sit with the opposing party. I wonder what would happen then?

      • Deborah G

        I was a die hard center right person with many liberal leaning social views until OBAMA then he took that moderate person and made them hate the word because it wasn’t far left enough for the Community AgITATOR and that is all he is. Nothing more than a puppet to the likes of Valerie Jarret and far lefties. So that being said we have a very weak President who lets people in his staff do what they want and he hired old radicals to do it. Can’t trust this guy., he lies like a rug.

      • brickman

        I don’t see extremes from both sides meeting in the middle so I’ll continue to do what I’ve always done: voting for the people in the middle who always win because of people like me.

        • George Williams

          That’s impossible. Nancy Pelosi stated her party’s position on cutting a budget so large that its debt will ultimately destroy the well being of the nation…..no way. If the leadership of the party in power cannot come to the realization that servicing our National Debt will ultimately result in consuming every penny of our discretionary spending, there’s no point in including them in a discussion. Defeating that party becomes the only imperative. People like you have to realize this and get out of the way.

          • brickman

            I dislike Nancy Pelosi and wish Steny Hoyer had her job. That being said I will point out that the last 4 times a balanced budget was passed, Ms.Pelosi was a member of the House. It can be done with her there.

          • George Williams

            The paint was on the wall of he House walls when that was done. Was it responsible for passing a balanced budget? Your argument does not make anymore sense than that.

          • Deborah G

            I doubt she had anything to do with the legislation all she is is a mouthpiece like Debbie Wasserman Shultz to promote the Democrats. She’s pretty shallow

          • brickman

            I agree she’s shallow. My point was that 4 balanced budgets were passed in a Congress containing such a shallow person. Why can’t it be done now? After all Trey Gowdy is there now.( he wasn’t there when they balanced budgets). Coincidence?:-)

          • Sheila Warner

            A poodle is a dog, but not all dogs are poodles.

            You could say the same things about any person who was a member of Congress when the deficit was erased, which is what a balanced budget does. No borrowing necessary: money in matches money out.

            But Congress did not do a thing about the debt. And it’s the debt that’s going to kill us. We need to get to the place where we don’t borrow money to pay our ongoing bills. If it’s true that we had a surplus after President Clinton, it should have gone towards paying down the debt, not in cutting taxes or coming up with a new program (Medicare D).

            President Obama has introduced another program, the ACA, while we are drowning in debt. Since the revenues to the gov’t have gone up under this President, why not address the debt?

        • Deborah G

          And who is your “middle” prospect? I don’t see any but I do see Dr Carson, Trey Gowdy,as being reasonable choices.

          • legal eagle

            You mean Uncle Tom Carson the guy who hates gays and healthcare for all? How about the Robertson’s?

          • George Williams

            You’re disgusting. On the other hand, what may we expect from a man whose comrade in spirit is the ugliest race baiter of them all, Al Sharpton of Tawany Brawley fame and Jesse Jackson who couldn’t resist his anti-semitism in referring to “Hymietown” in his speeches. The difference important to you Legal Beagle is that the Jacksons and Sharptons subordinate themselves to your plantation owning Democrat Party, bought and paid for with taxpayer funding under a Democratic presidency.

          • LHS

            Seriously, legal eagle? Really? “Uncle Tom Carson”?

            What an ignorant, racist fool you are. Please go soak your head. The jury will disregard the legal eagle’s buffoonish statement. You are hereby ignored.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Always amazing how liberals feel like they have a permission slip to spew racism.

          • Jeff Webb

            Not that you haven’t before, but you just proved yourself more hateful and bigoted than anyone you’ve accused. You’re in no position to call others intolerant, whether or not it’s sincere.

          • brickman

            As for me, I’ll vote for Chris Christie or Hillary Clinton against anyone else. If they run against each other, I’ll listen to the campaign. I will tell you that the person that I’ve voted for has won the popular vote in every pres election since I started voting in 1972.

          • George Williams

            “As for me, I’ll vote for Chris Christie or Hillary Clinton against anyone else.”

            Your an idiot in so many ways.

          • brickman

            I know what YOUR means.

          • George Williams

            Do you know what typo means?

          • brickman

            Since you made no point in your comment, it was the only thing to reply to. I notice that you went back and edited it.

          • George Williams

            Your statement that you could just as easily vote for Chris Christie as Hillary Clinton is idiotic, as though there are no fundamental diametrically opposing views presented in their platforms. It shows that you know little about the repercussions of voting for either. Hillary Clinton is just another Barack Obama, and there’s no reason why we could expect any better from her. She is a corrupt Alinsky Democrat. It’s like implying that there’s no difference between Joe Stalin and FDR in ideology. This seems to be typical of those who call themselves independents. They call themselves such because they haven’t bothered to understand the facts and prefer to bask in ignorance. Perhaps you prefer blonds? Ah, that must have something to do with it.

          • brickman

            It’s much simpler than that. Clinton is to my left, Christie is to my right. All other dems are to Clinton’s left.All other GOPers are to Christie’s right. None of them are communists, racists, fascists or space aliens.

            I do like blondes, red heads and brunettes. Bald women not so much:-)

          • George Williams

            Clinton studied under Saul Alinsky, and she hasn’t changed a bit. Do yourself a favor and help your decision. Read Saul Alinksy’s Rules For Radicals and you will better understand Hillary’s belief system. And if you review Obama’s behavior in the light of Alinsky’s Rules, you’ll see that he has everything in common with Hillary. I can assure you that it’s certainly not that middle of the road moderateness that you find so attractive.

          • Deborah G

            I have to agree. Anyone who goes with Clinton as a moderate doesn’t know a bit about what her ideolgy is even those she said it over and over “I AM A PROUD Progressive” i.e Saul Alinsky word for word. I think it should be mandatory for any voter to know what the candicates ideology is. Unfortunatley? The left base of OBAMA doesn’t even know or how to spell the word. When interviewed one of them said that the Fiscal Cliff was a mountain out west

          • George Williams

            A space alien would have a rational brain, and be preferable to Democrats.

          • Sheila Warner

            Personally, I want Governor Christie to stay in NJ and finish out his second term. After suffering my entire life in NJ with bad governors, broken promises and financial mismanagement, Gov. Christie is the closest we’ve come to good governance in decades.

          • Deborah G

            I don’t think he’ll play in Peoria. Here on the Coasts we can deal with the in your face persona. They would probably not Vote for him in large numbers but a conservative with a reasonable demeanor would top him.

        • Sheila Warner

          No one candidate embraces everything with which I agree. I try to vote for people who exercise an ability to compromise for the good of the nation.

      • George Williams

        Be careful who you ally yourself with. It’s all the same to Brickman whether he votes for Christie or Hillary, showing that he hasn’t a clue as to the ideology he puts his imprimatur to.

        • Sheila Warner

          Have I allied myself to any individual? I merely shared commiseration with someone who is a self identified moderate. I believe I put my own views out there as well. You see moderates as white flag waving, clueless voters. That’s your prerogative. It also doesn’t change the fact that I am neither far Left nor far Right.

      • Deborah G

        No one woud return home alive I’m afraid LOL

    • legal eagle

      Are you kidding? Having a liberal viewpoint in the site would be like asking a Jewish Deli to put ham sandwiches on the menu? …LMAO

      • brickman

        Bernie complains that it’s safe inside the echo chamber. Maybe it’s time for those hearing the echo to step outside.

      • George Williams

        That would make you the fool, then, because it would appear that you are like the little boy pissing into the wind.

  • CharlieFromMass

    Great column.

    “(Vice) President Coburn” wouldn’t be a bad thing, either.

  • ted

    I wish it did. SInce FDR fantasy has pretty much eaten up America. Sure, the WW II and Ronald Reagan were lessons in reality, but other than those few baby steps, the vast Progressive fantasy agenda has ruled. Nothing is in the works to stop it now. So get real!
    http://www.periodictablet.com

  • Paul Vasek

    Obama is a phony and has no charisma as he is corrupt and deceptive to the core

  • map291

    Bernie, I agree with you. I believe the issue is now on both sides of the aisle. However, with the democrats controlling the senate and the Whitehouse, they seem more disinclined than ever to refrain from their rhetoric in exchange for real effective government. Steven Covey in his book “7 Habits of Highly Effective People” indicates “First try to understand, then be understood.” This practice works for those who are attempting to actually accomplish something meaningful, which is why I believe it is a concept lost on those in office today. We need to fire the people currently serving as senators and representatives in exchange for some highly effective people. Obviously we need a real leader in the Whitehouse as well.

    • nkqx57a

      WE now know the BIGGEST lie of all, the liar in chief himself. “We The People” shouldn’t ever give up; defending liberty should never stop. What has taken Progressives/Liberals over 100 years to accomplish can be its undoing in the next two election cycles. That is IF Election and Voter fraud, intimidation, and letting the dead vote are stopped once and for all. And Candidates learn to turn lies into fiction and truth into clear visions. They must also learn to clearly define in simple easily understood language, “what is wrong” and “what is right” with America, and WHY.

      “Our nation will not rise above or beyond its leaders; however, if we are to recover our greatness, we must pray for men and women with wisdom, courage and conviction to arise, people savvy enough to reach our shallow, contemporary culture but deep enough to bring a transcendent message that will inspire.”

      I know it’s a tall order and sounds impossible, but it is possible. More importantly, it’s imperative.

      Currently it’s almost impossible to think that such a person would or even could come forward. The immoral leftist liberal thinking now dominates American society…as well as, negatively influenced the GOP and contributed to the rise of the RINO… (undocumented Democrat)…from pre-school through ALL levels of education and in virtually all the print and electronic news media — THERE IS ONE VIEW THAT NEVER GETS A HEARING and the GOP FAILS TO ARTICULATE: that the primary reason for America’s problems and her decline is she has lost the principles upon which she was founded. With the lack of a functioning moral conscience to guide her, she is lost in a liberal/progressive socialist abyss that is killing her. This has been hi-lited in the eyes of true Americans by the election, not once but twice, of Obama.

      Why would any rational person want to take a position of leadership under the present environment we find ourselves? This is why Obama was elected to a second term. It will take a person with moral grit and the courage to fight this abyss with everything they have.

      • map291

        I believe you are right about our dilemma. I hold the opinion that our salvation can not come from those who are most responsible for the mess we are in. If we are to regain our former glory, we do in fact need to return to that which made us great. Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD.

        Of course, I don’t expect anyone to agree with me, but this isn’t meant to be a popular opinion. Truth rarely is.

    • Drew Page

      It’s too late to “fire” Obama. We are going to have to wait until November of this year to “fire” some of those in office and until November of 2016 to “fire” the rest.

      • Tim

        There is always impeachment. But then we get Biden. Better to take the Senate and neuter the liar for his last couple of years. He can paly golf here. No need to fly anywhere. And no more million dollar vacations for him or his wife. I can’t think of any family that deserves a vacation less than the Obama’s.

        • Deborah G

          You can forget about impeachment with this Senate

        • Drew Page

          Tim — Although I think Obama richly deserves to be impeached. It will not happen. First, I believe that any attempt by House Republicans to impeach Obama would be just the distraction from the disaster of Obama Care the Democrats are praying for. Such an attempt at impeachment would bring out the perfunctory cries of racism and trying to reverse the will of the people. Second, any such attempt, even in the remote possibility it was successful in the House, would certainly fail in the Senate. If the Senate wouldn’t convict Bill Clinton for perjury (I’m sorry, lying under oath) there is no way they could muster up the guts to convict Obama.

      • Deborah G

        Hope springs eternal for a bloodbath at the polls for the democrats and making OBAMA the lamest of lame ducks ever.

    • Deborah G

      We do NOT have a leader we have a man that makes fun of 50% of the population he is supposed to be leader of . No one not any before him have tried to isolate an entire 1/2 of America and that half now hates him with a well deserved passion.

      • legal eagle

        Are you referring to the older white folks that Obama is” making fun” of?

        • Deborah G

          The 50% that actually pays for morons to do nothing.

        • George Williams

          How appropriate would it be for a white president to make fun of black people. Neither strategy is appropriate or conducive to uniting a nation. And you wonder what all the fuss is about. LOL!

  • cantonst

    We have been ‘poisoned’! It started in ’73 with Roe v. Wade. But we haven’t hit bottom yet. When we do, amid great upheaval, things will straighten out. Obama is just a symptom.

    • legal eagle

      Who are the “we” you are referring to?

      • cantonst

        The culture and society that are the U.S.

        • legal eagle

          Another field of your expertise? I hate to tell you but you have already hit bottom…

          • cantonst

            I’m glad you’re happy with the status quo. I’m not.

          • Lamont_Madison

            Well I am happy to tell you “legal idiot”, Liberals / Progressives like you are THE BOTTOM.
            Cantonst – don’t let these elitist know nothing educated idiots stop you – you are spot on about a society that legalizes killing its innocent and defenseless unborn young.

          • cantonst

            I’ve always wondered what a internet troll was. Thank you for exposing yourself.

          • legal eagle

            I’ve always wondered what an ignorant Republican was…Thanks for your service…lol

          • George Williams

            Ever since I’ve visited this site, you’ve disabused me of my ignorance of what a smug and ignorant Democrat is, legal beagle.

          • Tim

            Progressivism will do that to you.

          • Lc Goodfellow

            ” If it ain’t broke, a progressive will fix it until it is “

      • Deborah G

        Not you , you are just pickled in liberal brine. No hope for you

  • sniper2535

    There is no comparison between the liberal establishment and the conservative establishment. Liberals are the most disgusting and narrow-minded body of people existing today. They prey on low information voters rather than educate them. They create victims and make them hopeless slaves to their establishment. And, their solutions WILL bankrupt this country. No comparison.

    • Deborah G

      They also like to kill babies don’t forget that little beautiful gift

      • legal eagle

        It’s called freedom of choice….just like it’s your choice to spew negativity and hatred..

        • Deborah G

          I’ll remember that the next time some yuppie moron shows me their sonograms and goo goo and gah gahs over their baby. I’ll be sure to let them know it really isn’t a baby it’s still a choice

          • legal eagle

            Who would be crazy enough to show you a sonogram?

          • Deborah G

            All my Yuppie neighbors who think I actually care

          • legal eagle

            Bet you don’t discuss your bitter political views with the yuppies…

          • Jeff Webb

            It’s actually spelled “better.”

          • Deborah G

            Then you would be wrong. Actually they are so clueless they think The fiscal cliff is somewhere out west

        • garbo77

          legal eagle, God also gives you a choice; Him,.in paradise or the devil to live with in torment for eternity! Abortion is murder and any person that isn’t controlled by demons or simply in blindness to reality, as many of these pitiful youth are that choose abortion, should be able to understand that. The really sad thing is that some professing Christians are in favor of murdering our precious babies. Any country that doesn’t repent before God of murdering it’s own and stop the murdering is doomed to destruction. And we wonder why our country is is such a pathetic state! We’ll continue to pray for you, legal eagle, and the messed up ones like you!
          God Bless!
          Dr. Gary

          • Deborah G

            “If my people, who are
            called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn
            from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their
            sin and will heal their land” (2 Chronicles 7:14).

          • legal eagle

            Is that in the torah?

          • George Williams

            As a Jew who has patterned himself along the lines of the secular Jews who fell for communism in the forties and fifties, I suspect that you haven’t set foot in a synagogue in decades. I’ll bet that my one visit to a synagogue in Kaunus, Lithuania less than ten years ago makes me more familiar with the Torah than you. To you and your communist ilk, the Torah is just a book collecting dust on a shelf.

          • Sheila Warner

            No, but it is part of the Old Testament. Now, what does the Talmud say about it?

          • garbo77

            Thanks Deborah!

            2 Chronicles 7:14 is one of my favorite scriptures and I’ve used it in my comments several times. Thanks sooooooo much for adding it. It is so appropriate for our country and the rest of the world.
            God’s Blessings on you and yours!
            Dr. Gary

          • Deborah G

            And may God richly bless you as well. We as normal Christian peole know that this country has been on a downhuill sprial since taking prayer and the ten commandments out of school. The liberals don’t even know the ORIGINAL reason for public schools was to bring the word of God to the Children and learning to READ the Bible . There was NEVER any intent to secularize them into Johnny Having Two Daddies was a good lesson. They took away the moral compass generations built this great country on. It was our foundation and our rock. They took away the rock and we crumbled. Homosexuality is a sin . No amount of PROGESSIVE new age inclusivenmess can change that. OBAMA is NOT a Christian, he may not be a Muslim but no Christian can accept the sin of abortion, the sin of homosexuality, the sin of disrespecting God’s holy tenets. WHen we turn our face from God this is what we have. THOUSANDS of unwed mothers,abortions reaching over 200,000 a year, Children being told NOT to tell their parents about getting birth control. Basically? We are where we are today because of what the PROGRESSIVES did last time. Until we get back to the values and the appreciation for God’s gifts we will not prosper as a nation. Does that mean we beat up Gay guys? No we are reminded to let them hear the messege of love only God’s healing can do for them. God Bless and my sermon on the computer is over LOL

          • garbo77

            You’re right on, Deborah!

            Thanks for your comments. If we Christians will sincerely get back to praying we will see changes in our country and world. Where there is life there is hope!

            Some time back God revealed to me that the reason Bible Study and prayer was taken out of our schools, the reason the heavy drug scene came about and the reason abortion (murder) was legalized, was because we Christians were not praying as we should! Wow! That’s heavy stuff! Prayer is the answer to all future change for the positive! I sincerely believe that!

            God Bless!
            Dr. Gary

          • Deborah G

            I have witnessed real miracles and I ray /talk to him all the time. I was not doing that and my life was not good. Now I am amazed at the difference Thanking him and praying has made. God Bless and share the prayer!

          • legal eagle

            I guess the evangelical crowd will have to stop supporting Israel as they have state sponsored abortion for anyone under 30 or in the military…..Guess we Jews are, once again, on the eve of destruction…

          • garbo77

            Hi legal eagle!
            Please, understand that Christians supporting Israel has nothing to do with their beliefs about abortion or anything else. Our support of Israel is because God commands us to. Masses of Jews haven’t accepted Christ as their Savior and many are evil people, just as any other nationality or race. however, we still support the Jewish nation and continue to pray for them.

            Homosexuality is stated very clearly in the Bible that it is a sin. Does that mean that we should love them any less than anyone else or if they would come to us any need, that we wouldn’t show them love and help them? James (in Bible) tells us that faith w/o works is dead. We don’t tell people to go about their way when they are in need; we help them!

            It all goes back to Loving others. In 1 Corinthians 13 Paul makes it very clear that no matter how great the miracles we perform, they are useless unless we do them with Love! Jesus stated: “The first and greatest command is this, to love God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength. And the second command is like it; Love your neighbor as yourself.” And please, remember to forgive others. The Bible states we must forgive others or God will not forgive us. Mark 11: 25-26. Just prior to this scripture, Jesus tells us in Mark 11:22-24 to speak what we want, believe and not doubt and we can have what we say.

            The point that I want to strongly make here, is that we don’t want to wait until we feel like we want to forgive; we state aloud that we forgive and then ask for God to help us feel the forgiveness! We must learn to practice what God’s word, the Bible, tells us to do and stop going by how we feel! i realize that will sound foreign to many Christians, however, it’s the word of God. God also tells us in 1 John 5:14 (paraphrazing) that we can have anything we ask if it is His will. First of all, don’t expect God to answer your prayers if you haven’t accepted Jesus as your Savior. If we are saved we might not get what we pray for or “declare aloud” as it tells us in Mark 11:22-24 because it might not be God’s will at the time we pray (1 John 5:14). However, He doesn’t tell us to stop praying for what we want! And please, remember Colossians 3:17 “Whatever you state in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus and when you give thanks to God the Father, do it in he name of Jesus!”

            Want to accept Jesus the Christ as your Savior? Apply Romans 10:9-10 or 1 John 1:9.

            I pray this has been of great help to you and others!

            God’s Blessings on you and yours!
            Dr. Gary

          • legal eagle

            As we don’t recognize Jesus I guess I will have to pass and take my chances…but thank you for your thoughts..

          • Deborah G

            Amen to that brother.He needs our prayers. That is what decent people do.

        • Tim

          It’s called selfish to the core.

          • Deborah G

            It is called legalized murder

        • George Williams

          LOL! To you, negativity is any reality that points out the fallacies of the Democrats ideology, the Obama regime’s manifest incompetence and what amounts to amateurism run rampant, from effecting domestic affairs, to the horror of his foreign policy. We’re supposed to shut up and follow Obama’s road, one allegedly paved with good intentions, to hell. Sorry, legal beagle, the American people are being hit in the face with the truths of what it means to be ruled under the tyranny of Barack Obama, and shall not be silenced. Old man, your national dream has been turned into a national nightmare but you can’t accept it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004422431818 Sur Mar

    I compare President Obama with Presidente Santa-Anna; loved to campaign, loved to party, and most of all, loved the prestige of being President but was rather lazy in governing as he allowed all of his lieutenants take care of the day to day needs of the government.
    Bribes and Political Favors was how the Mexican Government operated under his rule as the Rule of Law was second to the Rule of Politics.
    Zacatecas was the first state that tried to break away from Mexico, then Texas and Yucatan did break away (Yucatan rejoined when the Constitution was re-enacted after the war with the U.S.) then the Republica del Rio Grande tried to break away as Seperatismo was spreading throughout all of Mexico.
    With a standing army of a 119,000, Mexico wanted a war with the U.S. which had an army of 32,000 in an attempt to unify Mexico; but the Mexican Army was spread out thin to keep the country intact, as the Mexican People freely provided Intel and sold provisions to the U.S. Army as they gave misinformation to the Mexican Army.
    I see parallels between Santa-Anna and Obama; more so than any other infamous leader as I see danger and dark days on the horizon as I wonder just how close the parallels will be before its all over.

    • legal eagle

      Pretzel logic at it’s best…This is a classic…

    • Drew Page

      Did Santa-Anna like to play golf?

      • brickman

        He could’ve used his peg leg for a club.:-)

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004422431818 Sur Mar

        Not that I know of; but he did break the Mexican Treasury with his over the top lifestyle, bribes, and political favors.

  • Joh

    In my opinion, there is no end to the liberal hypocricy. There are still liberals chanting the “Bush lied” mantra when the free world agreed that Sadam had WMDs. Fast forward to “… you can keep your plan. PERIOD” and that is not a lie, but merely an ill informed POTUS. Just listen to Pelosi, Reid and the worst of all, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz , they are still denying the lies

    • legal eagle

      Thank you for sharing your hate on the New Year..

      • Seattle Sam

        Are you suggesting that liars and hypocrites not be scorned? Or that the President. Pelosi, et al didn’t lie?

        • Deborah G

          Don’t waste you time with him, he is a jerk period.

      • Deborah G

        You are welcome we hate you too so there is enough good cheer to go around.

      • Joh

        “Hate”? what exactly is hateful about pointing out hypocricy?

      • Ted Crawford

        Facts are neither good nor bad. They aren’t either loving or hateful. They simply are facts!

    • Ted Crawford

      Only the uninformed, or members of the Progressive Coven of Useful Idiots, have any doubt that Saddam had WMD’s! In fact he had used them often against the Iranian Army and even his own people, most notably in the case of the Kurdish Village of Halabja! The most likely location of these weapons now, is Syria!

      • Joh

        You nailed it Ted. Those same useful idiots were more than willing to line up to attack Syria and buy into a “incredibly small” attack. I should also add that there are a few in the Conservative camp who fall into that useful idiot role. Show me a liberal who will even admit that they are following a host of fools

        • Deborah G

          Liberals are beset with the selective blindness gene. They are Blind to the truth and rationality, Blind to Obama but see quite clearly when it comes to where to get their benefit checks

  • John Colburn

    I’m glad to see political pundits mentioned here, because they are to me a major source of today’s poisonous political atmosphere. Just read the raw news and forget about the pundits for a while.

    • Deborah G

      There is no :RAW” news left all the outlets are owned by lefties

      • John Colburn

        Without repeating myself, please refer to my replies to the others.

    • cantonst

      Just read the raw news …where?

      • John Colburn

        I go to Yahoo and they have AP, Reuters, Business Insider, Motley Fool and a host of other sources I can’t think of right now. Look through them all. Also try the Congressional Budget Office if you want a lot of detail. The Internet is almost limitless.

    • Ted Crawford

      “Raw News” from which source? One can get a more comprehensive and accurate report from Pravda, or even al Jezeera than from CNN or NBC, and even the Cartoon Network is a better source than is MSNBC!

      • John Colburn

        I would go to AP or Reuters. If you go to Yahoo you get news from many sources like Business Insider, Motley Fool or whatever else you might see come up. All kinds of possibilities and you get a variety of takes.

        • Ted Crawford

          You are almost certainly right, at least about The AP. That would explain why Obama attacked them with the NSA Probe last year!

          • John Colburn

            Although I generally support the policies of Obama, I believe that when he’s wrong he’s wrong and no sugarcoating.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            No there’s something you don’t hear often.

          • John Colburn

            There are a number of “Liberal” sites that criticize Obama often. The Young Turks might not be your cup of tea but they have. NSA and the war that almost happened in Syria are a couple of instances where “Liberals” have parted ways with Obama.

          • Sheila Warner

            The Young Turks can be pretty funny.

  • Iowa48

    “If President Obama picks his nose on the golf course, it gets the same attention on talk radio and on some conservative TV shows as if he personally dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.”
    I am not sure I understand the analogy here, as I detect a negative tenor towards the key act in ending the war in the Pacific. I have two uncles who survived the battle of Okinawa, and who went on to live good, long, productive lives, contributing to American society, and raising families. If the bombs had not been dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, there is a very real probability that those uncles, along with lots of other American uncles and grandfathers, would not have survived the invasion of Japan proper.
    I will assume Mr. Goldberg is suffering from severe year-end exhaustion, and that he did not mean to imply that the Enola Gay was somehow something to regret.

    • legal eagle

      There are plenty of books that question the wisdom of dropping 2 A bombs on Japan….

      • Bkwcomments

        It was an extremely tough decision and I feel badly for all involved in making the decision and carrying it out. I also have a great deal of respect for them. It is said that hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of lives were saved by ending the war that way. Yes, it was a huge price to pay, but it seems also to have worked well as a deterrent for more use of nuclear weapons.

        • Stimpy

          It was also a message to Stalin — don’t get too frisky with your juggernaut Red Army.

          • brickman

            The real message to Stalin was the war was over. If the bombs weren’t dropped and we had to invade Japan, the Soviets would have invaded the Japanese home island of Hokkaido. Modern Japan would be like modern Korea. There would have been even one more Cold War boundary with all the danger that includes.

          • George Williams

            Nonsense. Stalin had no intention of invading the Japanese homeland. For one, he didn’t have the resources to do so, having no real Navy or landing craft. He was happy to see the U.S. beat themselves against the expected wall of Japanese fanatics. Modern Japan would be like modern Korea? South Korea is an ally of the West and will continue to be so if he Korean people have any say.

          • brickman

            The Soviets were fighting down Sakhalin island hoping to seize a staging area to attack Hokaddio. They had a bit of a navy including some landing craft. The Japanese navy was almost non-existent in those waters. Ships and kamikazees were in the south waiting for the Americans. See http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/air chronicles/bookrev/glantz

      • Deborah G

        all of them by weenie left wing anti war non patriots.

      • Ted Crawford

        Two of the easiest things to find are Critic’s and Second Guessers! What’s needed now and NOWHERE in sight is LEADERSHIP!

        • legal eagle

          That’s a rather vague request…..Provide your own leadership..

          • Ted Crawford

            Really?! Seriously?!

      • map291

        So, do you question the wisdom of dropping 2 A bombs on Japan? I suppose you would also question the wisdom of declaring war on Japan after the attack on Pearl Harbor. Perhaps you would have preferred that we just roll over and let the worlds problems solve themselves and not get involved. It’s easy to see things after the fact.

        In the case of ending the war with Japan, one bomb didn’t bring the Japanese to the peace talks. Those who made the decision did so with extreme trepidation, and would have preferred it not happen at all. We didn’t start that war if you recall.

        • legal eagle

          The question is why we didn’t drop the bomb on Germany?

          • map291

            Tactical,
            Can you imagine island hopping every single island in the Pacific to bring the Japanese to their knees? It wasn’t going to happen.

          • Ted Crawford

            Not much on History , either we see! The bomb hadn’t yet been proven before the surrender of Germany!

          • legal eagle

            Maybe, according to what I have read….

          • Deborah G

            You can read? I;’m amazed I thought you just spoke like a moron because you didn’t have an education.

          • brickman

            Give up on this one…

          • Brian Fr Langley

            The simple answer is, it wasn’t available before they (the Germans) surrendered. Having said that, several German cities were bombed into oblivion (almost literally) with casualty rates higher than the the 2 nukes.

          • George Williams

            For one, the war in Germany was over before an atomic bomb was tested. Hostilities with Germany ended in May of 1945, while the first bomb tested, a so-called implosion device was tested in July of that year. Perhaps the gun device called “Little Boy” could have been used, as it was considered so reliable a deign that a detonation test wasn’t required.

            The liberals like to write books attributing the use of the “Bomb” to racism**, but that fact is that the militarism of Japan was such that our government had good cause to believe that an invasion of the Japanese homeland would have resulted in millions of casualties on both sides. The Japanese fanatical defense of every island stepping stone of our invasion force gave every indication of what to expect on their main islands. U.S. casualty rates were tremendous, as the Japanese fought to the last man. This was certainly not the case of Germany in it’s final death throes against the allies, when many Germans were amenable to a surrender to the Americans in a peace with conditions. There is every indication that the use of the atomic bomb against Japan actually saved millions of lives, Japanese and allies. You can’t convince our liberals like legal beagle, however, as they prefer to keep their smug beliefs that Westerners were and are hopelessly racist.

            **This is too funny, as the Japanese were as racist as the Germans during WWII, treating the Chinese and other Asians as subhuman. The Japanese used the people of Nanking for bayonet practice and ran over them with tanks and other vehicles where they lay in the streets.

      • Drew Page

        Are you suggesting we should have just surrendered after Pearl Harbor? Would you have rather seen a land based invasion instead that would have cost tens or hundreds of thousands of American lives? Do you know or care about how many American lives were lost during WWII in the Pacific Theater, driving the Japanese out of the various South Pacific islands like Guadalcanal, Iwo JIma and Tarawa? Far more would have been lost had we invaded the Japanese homeland.

      • Tim

        Written by liberals who would never bleed for anything. The Japanese where not going to give up. After the devastation of the first bomb, they still didn’t want to give up. It took a second for them to capitulate. I question the morality of anyone who says we shouldn’t have dropped the bomb on Japan. So what exactly was it that they question?

      • Iowa48

        I am not sure why you would have wanted my uncles to die on a beach while invading Japan, as I very much doubt that you ever met them, or their families. I, for one, am grateful that they survived the war.

      • brickman

        They’re wrong. I recommend an essay by Richard B. Frank called No Bomb, No End. It appears in a book of essays of speculative history called What if? 2. Volume 1 is a good read too. http://www.penquinputnam.com

  • nkqx57a

    “As for the pundits who think because they have a national audience they must have something important to say: They need to shut up every now and just listen. They might learn something. And that goes for this humble pundit too.”

    Maybe…but listening to what…one lie after another…someone needs to speak these lies, with the TRUTH. Never, ever let a lie go unchallenged.

    In essence, the people responsible for putting this horror show in power are themselves responsible for every cataclysmic decision he and his administration makes, and the consequences thereof. Which we have only begun to see materialize, there is much more to come and it won’t be pretty.

    Ignorance of the law is no excuse; points of reference…facts speak the truth; but you must first be able to know “Fact from Fiction”. Meaning you must have a moral compass that tells you whether or not, you are right or wrong. Obama and this administration do not have a moral compass, only their feelings to guide them.

    “What difference does it make?”…When Liberals view themselves…above it all and can do no wrong and Conservatives view themselves…above it all and never do the right thing. They compromise on the Politically Correct and America loses.

  • beniyyar

    Obama will govern by executive order on steroids, he is no more capable now of negotiation and compromise than he was in 2009.

    • Deborah G

      He isn’t capable of ANYTHING other than to admire himself on his selfies

  • savage24

    A great man once said, and I loosely quote “if all these errors in judgement were just mistakes, the laws of probability would be that at least a few of them would be in our favor”. Therefore we can come to the conclusion that all of these errors in judgement were by design. Coburn is right in a sense, 2013 was a terrible year for this country, but then what did the congress do to make it better. They aided and abetted Obama in his folly.

    • legal eagle

      “2013 was a terrible year for this country”??? What was so terrible? War coming to an end, improving economy, great stock market etc….Try to get past your negativity…

      • Deborah G

        Try to get past your vapid butt thrust love of Obama

        • Bkwcomments

          Does it hurt every time your mind slams shut?

          • Jeff Webb

            Evidently you don’t know Legal Eagle’s tendencies. Do a little research.

      • Drew Page

        We still have troops being killed in Afghanistan. Obama Care is responsible for more people losing insurance than getting it. The only reason the unemployment rate is coming down is that whoever does the counting doesn’t include all those who have exhausted their unemployment benefits and those who have given up looking for a job. The President claims to have created hundreds of thousands of new jobs, but fails to report that 75% of those new jobs are part-time jobs. Tell the families of the four Americans killed in Benghazi what a great year 2013 has been. Tell all the college grads over the past five years how great the economy is and how they will have no trouble finding good paying jobs. Tell the 53% of working Americans that actually pay federal income taxes how lucky they are, while the other 43% pay nothing. Tell the taxpayers how fortunate they are to have so many illegal aliens in the country that they must support with food stamps, rent subsidies, welfare checks, free public education for their kids, only to be told by the ‘Kingfish’ that they aren’t paying “their fair share”.

      • savage24

        You must be another of these blind liberals with a closed mind. What war is ending, the indiscriminate killing by the Islamic terrorist continues. Obama , like all good liberals believes that putting your tail between your legs and run away from reality will solve all problems. Ask those 5 million people that lost their health care what a good year 2013 was for them.

  • Bill Henderson

    “They need to shut up every now and just listen.”

    Listen to whom, Bernie? We, the People? If they had, we would not be saddled with Obamacare, but sadly, they don’t listen to We, the people.

    • Ted Crawford

      The RNC has apparently adopted the philosophy of the DNC! They loudly, and often attempt to convince us that we do indeed have a perfect right ‘to their opinion’! That tactic works very well with the Progressive constituents, not so much with Independents and Conservatives, we like to make our own decisions!

      • map291

        I think you’ve hit on something. It is deplorable and we the people suffer.

  • http://FlourishandProsper.com/ Stan Dubin

    Point taken with one major reservation. I agree we should get out of the echo chamber and that we should freely admit when “our team” makes a mistake. And acknowledge when the “other team” makes a good point, does a good deed, etc.

    But there really isn’t anything within the liberal ideology that I would want influencing the governance of our country. So we have to be vigorous to drive progressive/liberal zealots out of governing positions. Looking over our history, political parties DO come and go…we can hasten the exit of one in particular. We can play nice along the way, but compromise with liberal think has horrible long term consequences. And there are way too many “conservative” pundits who are weak on this point.

    • Erzsi

      Exactly!

    • nkqx57a

      What we are seeing…the disintegration of moral behavior an important force for a law abiding society. Without morals there is only chaos and lawlessness; eventually turning into anarchy and mayhem of the first order.

      What we are seeing…the disintegration of the GOP as an important political force”. It is leaderless and the factions have no leaders, only front-men. The GOP does not make good leaders…good leadership is what makes the GOP.

      America has found herself in very real trouble and “We the People” are to blame; and now “We the People” can only hang-on for dear life and hope that the best leadership available emerges.

      A Government BIG enough to force you to buy something you don’t want, is BIG enough to take away everything you have; including your freedom.

      The time is near at which must determine whether Americans are to be FREE or SLAVES to a Government that no longer represents “We The People”, only a few select special interests and an ideology that has always failed where ever it has been tried.

      • JMax

        Please raise your hand if you don’t want health care insurance.

        • legal eagle

          Most of the people on this site are on Medicare…They just like bitching and moaning…

          • Stimpy

            You forgot ‘hating’ … which is your usual refrain.

          • Deborah G

            I think you are wrong. But then again you usually are

          • legal eagle

            Ask them…

          • Ted Crawford

            Deborah, i believe you do legal a disservice, I’ve yet to read even ONE factual declaration by them. Their record is unbroken!

          • Deborah G

            LOL

          • Integrity

            Not I regarding Medicare, but to quote Walsh, “I can’t complain but sometimes I still do. Life’s been good to me so far.” QED

          • legal eagle

            I agree….”My Maserati does 185..I lost my license, now I can’t drive….” LOL

        • Deborah G

          hand raised

          • JMax

            Why? You don’t have it? You’ve never had it? You are invincible? You are very wealthy?

          • Deborah G

            I have it I have always had. I pay for it myself it but I don’t want to BUY the crap OBAMA is selling to pay for you or someone else. I’d rather use my own money if I can’t have the choices I want. Guess you haven’t seen the lousey networks and benefits yet. NOT ONE good cancer center , relgated to local thrid rate community hospitals and zero advanced care. Die early is Obama’s wish. I just prefer to die on my own terms and not suffer needlessly

          • JMax

            So you DO want health insurance.

            The entire premise of insurance is for you to pay for me or someone else, and for me and everybody else to pay for you when you need it. Obama isn’t selling anything. Private insurance is.

            You are not required to buy insurance from an ACA exchange. You can shop around for an insurance company that will provide the network you need outside of what they offer on the exchange.

          • Deborah G

            I guess you are not self employed. The companies cancelled most of the small group policies . They don’t want healthy people who can actually pay anymore. I have United Healthcare and when my policy date is up I plan on not getting any and lowering my staff and income so they can’t get me with thieir villinous tax. The issue here is not that people don’t want other people to have insurance they don’t want someone taking away their choice. OBAMA is hell bent on Socialized medicine but he is such a bad buinsinessman he has no idea what he has unleashed nor does he partuclarily care. His conceit and narcissism prevents him from saying he made a grevious error for trying to pull this off like a thief in the night without good advice and both sides of the equation. I actually hate the man. I wake up every day wondering what the F happened to America and what is he going to do to hurt us next.

          • JMax

            There is nothing Socialist about private health insurers, private doctors, private clinics, private hospitals, and private pharmacies.All of these have always been operating by the rules of the private health care insurers. Now those rules are augmented by rules that protect the health care consumers.

          • Deborah G

            Yes it is and ask me how? Governement has decided what we get. The polices are basically government insurance provided by government approved providers. When Obamacare fails to do what we know it can’t do and the companies need a bailout he will by proxy own them.IF you are too blind to see with the selective blindness OBAMALUST gene then you are part of the demise of the great American medical care we used to receive. There was an easy way to do this he chose the Communist way.

          • JMax

            Department of Transportation requires tires sold in the US to meet minimum standards for tread wear and heat and speed ratings so your tires don’t blow up on the freeway killing you, your child, or your neighbor. DOT doesn’t tell you what kind of tires you must buy. It tells manufacturers the specifications their product must meet to keep YOU safe. That Socialism?

            FAA requires aircraft manufacturers to meet requirements for strength and safety and mandates regular inspections of aircraft so that wings or engines don’t fall off crashing on your house and killing your boss. They also set requirements for safety procedures and aircraft safety features. FAA doesn’t tell you what kind of airplanes you must fly on or where those airplanes go. It tells
            manufacturers and carriers the specifications their product must meet to keep YOU
            safe. That socialism?

            FDA sets standards for meat and food inspections to avoid salmonella and other health threats. FDA doesn’t tell you what food you must buy. It tells producers how they must treat the food they produce for you to keep you SAFE That socialism?

            FCC sets requirements for frequencies and broadcast power so that your communications are not overpowered by other signals. FCC doesn’t tell you what to listen to, where to get your over-the-air communications from or what phone to use. They just make sure you get a clear signal. That socialism?

            The ACA is as much a consumer protection law as it is anything else. It does not own any of the elements of health care or health care insurance. It sets the rules for how health insurers treat consumers. Just like the DOT, FAA, FDA, and FCC.

            This isn’t the “Communist way” unless you think Romneycare is the “Communist way”.

            “When Obamacare fails to do what we know it can’t do”.

            We DON”T know that ACA will fail. The CBO says it won’t. Most economists think it will work with tweaks.

            Obama bailed out the auto industry and he doesn’t own them. Why would you think he would own the health insurance industry? Or want to?

          • Deborah G

            You are a dyed in the woll lefty so anything Isay will simply be denied. JUST Like I denyy anything you have to offer because your pathetic arguments are full of holes. he destroyed the share vallue of GM took over that company and now the unions have control and all those shareholders NAD THE TAXPAYER! The loans he claimed they paid back? WIth MORE government loans and the money was used NOT to help the Americvan workers or the company here. HE like a moron LET them take the money and build a state of the art plant in Mexico. He should ship back all the illegals to work there too. Americans got royally screwed. Guess who they were? your grandmother , retirees etc.

            As for Romney? he KNEW how to run a business of governemtn and could work across the aisle. This guy is a dictator and besides not working across the aisle he just makes fun of them and he couldn’t do it anyway without doing that. he’s a spophomoric ideolog who thinks he is still at Saul Alinsky’s knee sucking up Socialism

          • JMax

            I’m a progressive. I only deny what’s untrue. For instance, the UAW Retirement Fund owns 1% of GM stock. The US Government owns zero shares. What do you think the value of granny’s stock would have been had the company collapsed?

            Romney never “ran” a business. He started out as a consultant and became a venture capitalist, basically an investor. He didn’t run companies. He bought, sold, and traded them. Obama has tried to work across the aisle. The GOP leadership agreed on January 20, 2009 that they would not work with him and would do everything possible to thwart him.

            Alinsky wasn’t a Socialist. He was a tactician, an organizer who worked for the betterment of the poor and middle class. He belonged to no party.

            Is bettering the lives of the poor and middle class something you could get on board with? Or is it all about you?

          • Sheila Warner

            ” The issue here is not that people don’t want other people to have insurance they don’t want someone taking away their choice.”

            You and I don’t often agree on issues, but you have hit the nail on the head with this one. All of the plans in the exchanges have to comply with what the President believes should be in a health plan. Flexibility is gone. It is competition and real choice that drive down prices. One size fits all is a disaster.

          • JMax

            “They don’t want healthy people who can actually pay anymore.”

            That’s absurd. That’s exactly what they want.

            So you would let staff go and earn less income just to avoid paying a bit more tax. Your staff must really mean a lot to you.

            “OBAMA is hell bent on Socialized medicine but he is such a bad buinsinessman he has no idea what he has unleashed nor does he partuclarily care.”

            LOL. He has “unleashed” the Heritage Foundation/Romneycare plan for universal coverage.

            Ask your grandmother how she likes her socialized medicine.

            Yep, there’s the old “narcissism” BS showing up. It’s like Godwin’s law. But I think you mean “uppity”, don’t you?

            “I actually hate the man. I wake up every day wondering what the F happened to America and what is he going to do to hurt us next.”

            Pity.

          • Deborah G

            No pity on you for being a mindless sycophant. YES I would let staff go and yes I woiudll take down my income so as not to give this coimmie a dime more to waste.It used to be in america if you worked for it you could have whatever you want. Now you work for it and he gets to use it for whatever he wants. I'[m done supplying a bad administrator my moneyt. He’s the cause of the sollateral damage not me. Her’s a clue IF the nmand had been HONEST he’d have simply said. Hey you guys we need some monet to get sone coverage for these poor folks will you kick in $500 a year? And you know what? We’d have all gladly written that check. The fact he is a bald faced liar and a communist taking away our choices? Nope he gets zero from me. I have ZERO repsect for th man. I don’t like his sneaky grabs, I dispise his ruuining of an entire indusrty and destroyin healthcare with really loseu policies and choices?,, I dispise his attitude that he can simply change things as he goes. NOPE I don’t like anything about this glib snakeoil salesman

          • Jeff Webb

            >>But I think you mean “uppity”, don’t you?<<

            Desperate statement from the person losing the debate.

          • JMax

            Not at all. It’s a statement appropriate for the meaningless and irrelevant “diagnosis” narcissism applied to the president.

          • Jeff Webb

            Dude, stop digging. You were pathetic enough just playing the race card.

          • JMax

            Says you. BFD.

        • Ted Crawford

          Really? When did you stop beating your wife?

        • Lc Goodfellow

          Obamacare, and Big Government – and the higher 20+ taxes that will come with it.
          The rich will clearly be paying more, along with everyone else.
          You can’t make the rich poorer without making the poor, poorer.,
          JMax,
          Let me be the first to say, ‘Pay up Sucker !’

          • JMax

            I have health insurance through my employer. My share of the cost went up 2% for this year. Lowest in a decade. No changes to network or coverage, except they can’t cap my benefits.

            I have no evidence of new taxes directly affecting me, but I’d be more than happy to pay a few more dollars in taxes if it means poor and elderly can get insurance that they couldn’t before. I’m funny that way.

          • Integrity

            Glad to see that you are so generous. I wouldn’t mind paying a little more in taxes either, provided that I could trust our Government to do the right thing. Since I can’t, i will keep as much of my money that I can; thank you very much. My educated guess is that you claim every single tax credit and deduction allowable by law. In case I am wrong and you wish to donate more money to our Government, following is the address where you can send additional money to:

            Gifts to the United States

            U.S. Department of the Treasury

            Credit Accounting Branch

            3700 East-West Highway, Room 622D

            Hyattsville, MD 20782

            Who knows, you might even get a free audit from the IRS. I think donations to the Government may very well be tax deductible. QED

  • jazzdrums

    obama will not govern because he cant. he has no skill other than spewing out nonsense to his base. his experience was in the hood where he could try to guarantee reasonable behavior in exchange for a stipend..his whole life was fueled on affirmative action notwithstanding that all his records are sealed…the same true for his wife…who will be the first liberal to give them each 6 figure jobs in 2017 just for doing nothing. they have no skills…neither has been in the courtroom as a lawyer….their licenses have lapse voluntarily because it was reported they did not want to pay the few hundred dollars a year to keep active.
    If people knew they were going to lose their doctor Romney would be president

    • Deborah G

      probably not because the biggest racist vote in history took place

    • nkqx57a

      In our system of government, Congress is the Legislative Branch and is responsible for making the laws. Presidents are supposed to “faithfully execute” the laws to the best of their ability, not reshape them to suit their own selfish goals and political needs. The Federal Courts (including the Supreme Court) is the Judicial Branch, who’s charged with “interrupting the laws” and “administrating justice” for “The Rule of Law”; without injecting political correctness and their individual political views. Is this really true in today’s politically correct environment?

      I believe Obama has led a kind of make-believe life; one as Barry Soetoro (citizen of Indonesia, may be Kenya.) and the other as Barrack Hussein Obama (Citizen of USA, maybe not); in which money was provided and doors were opened. Because he took advantage of all aid to foreign students and at some point early on somebody or some group took him under their wing and guided him to the Presidency.

      Releasing his college transcripts, including applications, will prove two things (1) he’s not as smart as he wants us to believe and the MSM says he is. (2) He wasn’t born in the US; as the college applications will clearly show him as a foreign student from a 3rd world country. If true, and I believe they are; Obama is a fraud and these past six years have been filled with nothing but fraud and deception. These are clearly and most definitely impeachable offenses.

      Yes…a birth was recorded on Aug. 13, 1961…that still does not prove (beyond doubt) that President Obama was without question…that birth. Obama has done what no other President has done…spending millions of dollars to deny access to anything that would prove beyond doubt and answer the questions: WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, and WHY; he is.

      • brickman

        Why doesn’t John Daly come on to counter comments like THIS? Are you a birther, John?
        P.S. Did you find your glasses?:-)

        • Sheila Warner

          Five years of trying to deal with birthers has been shown to be useless. You will never persuade any of them.

          • brickman

            Thanks, Sheila.

    • legal eagle

      Where was your experience?

      • jazzdrums

        In the studio.

      • Lc Goodfellow

        Romney’s Bain
        Capital invested PRIVATE MONEY in:
        AMC Entertainment – 1500 Theaters, 18,550 Employees.
        Burger King – 8432 stores in the United States with 10’s of thousands of Employees.
        Burlington Coat Factory – 475 stores, 28,729 Employees.
        Clear Channel Communications – 20,000 Employees.
        Domino’s Pizza – 10,000 Employees.
        Dunkin’ Donuts 10,000 stores, thousands of Employees.
        Guitar Center – 225 stores, hundreds of Employees.
        The Sports Authority – 14,300 Employees.
        Staples – 1575 stores and thousands of employees.
        Toys “R” Us – Toys ‘R’ Us has 836 stores with thousands of employees.
        Warner Music Group – 3,700 Employees.

        Obama invested TAXPAYER MONEY in:
        Solyndra – BANKRUPT
        Ener 1 – BANKRUPT
        Beacon Power – BANKRUPT
        Abound Solar – BANKRUPT
        Amonix Solar – BANKRUPT
        Spectra Watt – BANKRUPT
        Eastern Energy – BANKRUPT
        GM Volt – Solyndra on wheels – $49,000 cost to taxpayers for each one sold.

        $900 Billion Dollars with NO Jobs.
        NOTE: All of these companies were Obama campaign contributors.

        The Choice was CLEAR and still is …Did you want a BUSINESSMAN who has GENERATED BILLIONS or

        A President who has WASTED TRILLIONS?

        • legal eagle

          Investing does not equal job creation…If I own stock in WalMart I didn’t create any jobs…obviously you have no clue what Bain Capital does …

          • Lc Goodfellow

            legal Seagull, you sure fit the earlier definition.(Stimpy)

            Democrats convened in Charlotte, NC, will double down on their claim that Bain Capital is really the Bain crime family. They will accuse Republican nominee Mitt Romney and Bain’s other “greedy” co-founders of stealing their winnings, evading taxes and lighting cigars with $100 bills on their yachts.

            But Bain’s private-equity executives have enriched dozens of organizations and millions of individuals in the Democratic base — including some who scream most loudly for President Obama’s re-election.

            Government-worker pension funds are the chief beneficiaries of Bain’s economic stewardship. New York-based Preqin uses public documents, news accounts and Freedom of Information requests to track private-equity holdings. Since 2000, Preqin reports, the following funds have entrusted some $1.56 billion to Bain:

            * Illinois Municipal Retirement Fund ($2.2 million)

            * Indiana Public Retirement System ($39.3 million)

            * Iowa Public Employees’ Retirement System ($177.1 million)

            * The Los Angeles Fire and Police Pension System ($19.5 million)

            * Maryland State Retirement and Pension System ($117.5 million)

            * Public Employees’ Retirement System of Nevada ($20.3 million)

            * State Teachers Retirement System of Ohio ($767.3 million)

            * Pennsylvania State Employees’ Retirement System ($231.5 million)

            * Employees’ Retirement System of Rhode Island ($25 million)

            * San Diego County Employees Retirement Association ($23.5 million)

            * Teacher Retirement System of Texas ($122.5 million)

            * Tennessee Consolidated Retirement System ($15 million)

            These funds aggregate the savings of millions of unionized teachers, social workers, public-health personnel and first responders. Many would be startled to learn that their nest eggs are incubated by the company that Romney launched and the financiers he hired.

            Leading universities have also profited from Bain’s expertise. According to Infrastructure Investor, Bain Capital Ventures Fund I (launched in 2001) managed wealth for “endowments and foundations such as Columbia, Princeton and Yale universities.”

            According to BuyOuts magazine and S&P Capital IQ, Bain’s other college clients have included Cornell, Emory, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Notre Dame and the University of Pittsburgh. Preqin reports that the following schools have placed at least $424.6 million with Bain Capital between 1998 and 2008:

            * Purdue University ($15.9 million)

            * University of California ($225.7 million)

            * University of Michigan ($130 million)

            * University of Virginia ($20 million)

            * University of Washington ($33 million)

            Major, center-left foundations and cultural establishments also have seen their prospects brighten, thanks to Bain Capital. According to the aforementioned sources, such Bain clients have included the Charles Stewart Mott Foundation, the Doris Duke Foundation, the Metropolitan Museum of Art, the Ford Foundation, the Heinz Endowments and the Oprah Winfrey Foundation.

            Why on Earth would government-union leaders, university presidents and foundation chiefs let Bain oversee their precious assets?

            “The scrutiny generated by a heated election year matters less than the performance the portfolio generates to the fund,” California State Teachers’ Retirement System spokesman Ricardo Duran said in the Aug. 12 Boston Globe. CalSTRS has pumped some $1.25 billion into Bain.

            Since 1988, Duran says, private-equity companies like Bain have outperformed every other asset class to which CalSTRS has allocated the cash of its 856,360 largely unionized members.

            Is Bain really a gang of corporate buccaneers who plunder their ill-gotten gains by outsourcing, euthanizing feeble portfolio companies and giving cancer to the spouses of those whom they fired? If so, union bosses, government retirees, liberal foundations and elite universities thrive on the wages of Bain’s economic Darwinism.

            If, however, these institutions relish the yields that Bain Capital generates by supporting start-ups and rescuing distressed companies, 80 percent of which have prospered, then this money is honest — and Team Obama isn’t.

          • legal eagle

            Private equity funds do not enrich investors…The investments enrich or lose money for their investors.
            Romney is a serial tax evader and I don’t know if he smokes cigars.
            The issue with Bain Capital and other private equity firms is whether put their interests ahead of their investors.

          • Lc Goodfellow

            Weep some more ol’bottom feeder.

            These funds aggregate the savings of millions of unionized teachers, social workers, public-health personnel and first responders. Many would be startled to learn that their nest eggs are incubated by the company that Romney launched and the financiers he hired.

            If, however, these institutions relish the yields that Bain Capital generates by supporting start-ups and rescuing distressed companies, 80 percent of which have prospered, then this money is honest
            — and Team Obama isn’t. –

          • legal eagle

            You have no clue how that business works…but you’re in the right place to be clueless…You are a true example of the saying “Ignorance is Bliss”…

          • Lc Goodfellow

            Down here on the ‘Border’ you would be one of the,”crazy as a s*** house rat ” type.

            The rich didn’t get rich, stealing iPad’s from poor people.
            Ol’Bottom Feeder.

          • legal eagle

            Great to see Gordon Gekko is one of your heroes…Looks like your part of the greed is good club…

          • Lc Goodfellow

            TBM —Is for you legal seagull, they love your kind there.
            This hateful thing called the “Internet” has spread so much misinformation.
            NO ! , it’s the human factor that hides behind these electric walls.

    • Lc Goodfellow

      Romney, lost because he was up against the ‘CHI-town’ game.
      He lost because of all the ‘Yellow Journalist’
      Where were the ‘Boos’ for Candy Crowly( “I’d do it again” CNN, cow ) from the crowd on that lie.
      He lost because of all the little Obama, organizers that sat in their offices for 4, ( four years) collecting wages and names for fundraising.
      It’s Chicago style politics and why some Chi-town wallets carry
      ‘Payoff paper’ for the good of the party.
      Dig into ‘That One’s history, read the dam books. Even his.

      “The secret of freedom lies in educating people, whereas the secret of tyranny is in keeping them ignorant.” (Maximilien Robespierre)

      I have a black President that has wasted what could have been the historic moment in the years of this country.

      “If you can’t beat your opponent’s ideas, you distort those ideas and maybe make some up.” — who’d you think ?

      ” legal seagull ” I got thirty, hard, years in Gov’t, what have you got ? ‘Crow’ !

  • Bkwcomments

    If only people would stop getting so personal about political attacks and focus on the issues, maybe we could all learn to do a better job of playing together. But too many people are too focussed on why the other party is wrong instead of looking for a way to compromise. Think of it: the Republicans want something and aren’t willing to budge; the democrats want the opposite, and also are not willing to budge. Sooner or later they all need to come to their senses and start finding middle ground on issues, stop trying to BE right and start trying to DO right. (Right, in this sense, being correct, not right as in conservative right.)

    • Seattle Sam

      Compromise? The compromise between having a total government takeover of health care and leaving it to private parties has turned out to be Obamacare. How do you like this compromise so far?

      • Bkwcomments

        So far there are a lot of hiccups. Anybody who didn’t expect that with such a major change is an idiot. And maybe there needs to be more compromise. The program it was based on has been working pretty well in Massachusetts. You know, Romneycare?

        • CharlieFromMass

          You mean the one that’s almost bankrupting the Commonwealth because too many people- even those that work, can’t get insurance for one reason or another?

          It sort of (only sort of) works for six million, and doesn’t scale up well, because when you do, the problems go up proportionally.

        • Jeff Webb

          >>So far there are a lot of hiccups .Anybody who didn’t expect that with such a major change is an idiot.<<

          Believe me, it would've been far better if it were merely "a lot of hiccups." What's really taking so many people by surprise is manifold: mistakes that could've been avoided by listening to warnings, the govt urging people to post their private info on a website that isn't secure, millions losing their plans despite BO's claims, etc.

          Quite the contrary, anybody who expected nothing more than hiccups is the idiot.

    • Erzsi

      Blah..blah..blah..

      • Bkwcomments

        So glad you made an effort. Remember, if you’re not part of the solution, YOU’RE THE PROBLEM!

        • Deborah G

          The solution is to rid this country of the Commie in chief care to help us with that?

          • Bkwcomments

            Part of the solution is for people to stop throwing around terms they don’t understand, like martial law, fascist, commie, socialist, etc.

          • Ted Crawford

            OK! How about Quisling, Marxist, Despot? Now are you happier?

          • Deborah G

            Socialism: You have two
            cows. The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor.

            Communism: You have two
            cows. You give them to the Government, and the Government then gives you some
            milk.

            Fascism: You have two cows.
            You give them to the Government, and the Government then sells you some milk.

            Capitalism: You have two
            cows. You sell one and buy a bull.

            Nazism: You have two cows.
            The Government takes both and shoots you.

            New Dealism: You have two
            cows. The Government takes both, shoots one, buys milk from the other cow, then
            pours the milk down the drain

          • Bkwcomments

            Just because you know how to copy and paste, it doesn’t necessarily follow that you know what you’re talking about. Oh, and when you DO copy and paste, it’s considered poor form to not credit the source.

          • Deborah G

            My husband to our grandson . Happy?

    • ClockWise

      Sorry but did you feel like you just had to chime in with any old thing regardless of the facts. The GOP wont budge or compromise, thats laughable. Anyhow thanks for the Vague Talking Points, lol

  • Jarob54

    The mindset, mentality, and propaganda employed by this administration banks on the fact that a majority of loyal democrats will summarily accept Mr Obama’s rethetoric hook, line and sinker. The vast majority will accept the main stream media’s version of the news as the gospel truth. Sadly, My view is that politicians of all stripes rely on “words” for their positions. And rethetoric in Washington speaks louder than accomplishments. This administration has taken mediocrity to new low.

    • ClockWise

      Amen!

  • Kathie Ampela

    Happy New Year to you, Bernie. Your point is well taken, however I’d rather not go back to the days when the big threes controlled the narrative. Ronald Reagan and the end of the Fairness Doctrine (which was thrown out for good in 2011) gave birth to the opinion hosts on the Right. The opinion hosts may preach to the choir, but it’s the drivebys that decide elections and they don’t know what the opinion hosts are saying (Liberal talk radio has been a dismal failure, by the way. Liberal opinion TV shows have low ratings.) Being in this universe of hyper awareness (myself included) gives the illusion that “everyone” listens to opinion hosts, “everyone” is watching “Finding Bigfoot” until 3 weeks before an election…or until their healthcare blows up.

  • Chuck

    Reality doesn’t actually matter with Obama, saying whatever is necessary at the time. He doesn’t care because he got reelected, so he’s free to continue emasculating the country. He’s now busy purging the military and stacking Homeland Security with far-left radicals, as he readies us for martial law. It’s too late.

    • Kanbun

      Two great minds……

    • Ted Crawford

      Given the recent Senate action of eliminating the filibuster, he’ll soon be overloading the Federal Judiciary with Progressive and worse, Judges, essentially giving him very nearly Free Rein to follow John Podesta’s plan of Executive Legislation!

      • legal eagle

        As opposed to the right wing judges on the SCOTUS?

        • Ted Crawford

          Right-Wing Judges, such as Chief Judicial Legislator John Roberts? The Quisling who took it upon himself to rewrite a Law, submitted to be in compliance with Article 1, Section 8. Clause 3, to render it instead compliant with Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1? Like him
          Or perhaps like Ruth Bader Ginsberg, who declares in, Cairo Egypt; “I wouldn’t look to the U.S. Constitution, if I werte drafting a Constitution” Those “Right-Wingers!?!

          • legal eagle

            You are quoting Judge Ginsburg’s statement out of context…but what else is new?

          • Ted Crawford

            There exists NO context where this statement could be justified by a Supreme Court Justice, you’ll like this PERIOD! Shades of the Messiah!

        • Deborah G

          I can’t wait for a new regime and the old libtards die off

        • Fred S

          You mean the judges that told the truth when they swore to uphold the constitution? The ones that base their decisions on what it actually says, not what they think it should say?

    • Bkwcomments

      Since when is it the liberals who favor martial law?

      • Ted Crawford

        You are just joking , right?

        • Bkwcomments

          You DO know what martial law is, right? And you DO know who supports the use of military force, right?

          • Ted Crawford

            Conservatives, Independents, Liberals (what few survived the Progressive purge) support the necessary use of Military force in foreign lands.
            Progressives, Socialists, Communists, Marxists, and Fascists, and other Left wing ideologies support the domestic use of Military force!

      • ClockWise

        LOL, really?

      • Stimpy

        OK, call it “nanny law’ — making all speech or action subject to political correctness. Passing all manner of laws and regulations to forbid adults from making their own adult decisions. OK, I’ll get off my libertarian soapbox now.

        • Bkwcomments

          Sorry. I can’t take it seriously when you make the leap from military to nanny.

    • legal eagle

      The only one who seems to be emasculated is you….Perhaps you should discuss the issue with your wife?

      • Lc Goodfellow

        ‘Seagull’ you talk to the Preacher lately ?
        It still stands,
        Go find j copper and get ” Thee ” to the Preacher.

  • jwmiller

    Agree with Kanbun. Obama has no intention of learning the difference between anything. There is no ‘difference’ 4 him;only the Agenda he has been steeped in from a young age. That his narcissistic pathology was in existence at beginning & fed by Marxist ideology or a result of latter makes no difference. Big $$$$ certainly got their dollar’s worth.

  • digitalPimple

    Obama is only good at campaigning because he is free from the realities, hard truths and past experience of governing. When you have no experience, you are free to make promises and claims that experience and good judement would tell you is not possible.

    This is why people believe he’s a great campaigner.

    • gold7406

      excellent

    • legal eagle

      More whining from the Republican losers…..

      • Stimpy

        Ignore legal seagull … he’s having his usual liberal tantrums.

        • Lc Goodfellow

          I guess ‘Seagull’ is better than my ‘Crow’ ! It’s got nice Rhyming and as I remember from my U.S. Naval career,
          they squawk and eat sh’t a lot.

          • Sheila Warner

            Do they taste like chicken?

          • Lc Goodfellow

            You don’t need to salt ‘em.

      • The Man from Scene 24

        You lost too, you’re just not smart enough or willing to see it.

  • Sam

    God save us from charismatic leaders with bad ideas. Dead on as usual Bernie.

    • legal eagle

      You only agree with the ideas Fox News and Limbaugh tell you to agree with….

  • thomas1

    I’m questioning the media role in social division. Where does the corporate propaganda machinery come into play?

    Just a rhetorical question.

  • Seattle Sam

    When your lies and half-truths receive not challenges, but admiration from the media, why would you want to do otherwise?

  • Kanbun

    “President Obama, in 2014, needs to learn the difference between campaigning and governing.” This is a pipe dream. The media continues, and will continue (as Bernie frequently extols) to promote the narrative of deception for this punk. They are now entering this mode for continuing the deception of the ACA instead of the reality. By the time November rolls around the ACA will be such a success in the eyes of the average voter that nothing will change, despite the reality – it’s already happening even given the total disaster that has been obvious over the last couple months to anyone with even half a brain.
    President

  • gold7406

    sen.coburn is correct, message discipline in conjunction with campaigning vs leading. the administration’s ideology is rooted in 60’s radicalism. “by any means necessary” to justify their heavy handedness.

  • therealguyfaux

    To the extent that the Right merely engages in “neener-neener-neener” just to minimize/destroy Obama, you would have a good point, Bernie. Just to show that Obama’s rhetoric and actions are not in sync may be good for getting some people to stop thinking uncritically about him, and may prompt some to inquire into just what it is he really does stand for. But it cannot stop there, and you are right about that.

    The problem is that the Right does not, in general, set up the “Meta-Questions” part of the debate properly, neither do they execute well in asking them in such a way as to show the essential nebulosity and amorphousness of the Left’s philosophical groundings.

    Such questions would include, e.g., “Which of these do you believe, Mr President– the people’s money is what the Government asks people to pay taxes on, or that which the Government allows people to have after taxes are levied?” or “Just what IS the ‘ideal climate,’ and how could we maintain it, even if we could agree on what it is, and then achieve it?” or “How soon, if ever, can ‘affirmative action’ provisions of laws be sunsetted?” and countless others that can be formulated.

    An attitude of “I won’t debate anyone until they clearly define their terms” is what the Right should adopt, and tell the Left to buzz off, and tell the American people to demand real answers to real problems, not sloganeering. If despite all this, the public still persist in the belief that “noble” sentiments trump accomplishment, then the Right should simply “go Galt,” i.e., do as little to co-operate as can be managed, and leave the public to their fate– “Come to us when you are ready, but when you do, don’t say you were never warned; maybe THEN, we can do business.”

  • G. Daylan

    Your make the point that all media is opinionated and it may well be that the opinions expressed by journalists contribute to the division in the country. But the so called main stream lost its way and became an advocate for the left. Without the rise of Fox news and talk radio, the left would cruise merrily along with no dissent. I think that a situation like that is far worse than division.

    • Ted Crawford

      I’m not so certain that one is more egregious than the other. The last two Candidates sanctioned by the main-stream RNC, have been bitter disappointments!
      John (surrender is an honorable tactic) McCain, far too timid to address Obama’s obvious flaws, actually allowed his campaign staff to discredit and demean his Vice-Presidential running mate, when she displayed no such hesitation and was rapidly upstaging him!
      Mitt Romney, who ran a Shermanesque, slash and burn, march through all his fellow Republicans during the Primary, becomes a Milquetoast, butter doesn’t melt in the mouth, in the General ! He was even made a fool and brought to a stand still by the moderator(?) with a false statement!
      The establishment RNC has failed to deliever a single Victory, on the National level in a DECADE, yet feels justified to label the only segment of the Party that has achieved a National victory, as “Wacko-Birds”!
      That, Mr. Goldberg IS reality! You are correct, it indeed does matter!

  • Sheila Warner

    Happy New Year, indeed. I hope it really is that–happy. I doubt it with this division continuing on into the new year. Just watch as the forum lights up…10, 9, 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1…….

  • Mr & Mrs IHF

    Happy New Year Fascists!

    YOU WILL NEVER TAKE THIS COUNTRY BACK!!!

    • Brian Fr Langley

      Happy New Year IHF, may I recommend a book to read this year? It’s called “Inventing Feedom” by Daniel Hannan. I assure you, you’ll find only anti fascist sentiment. (of course you’ll also find a dash of anti Marxism)

    • gold7406

      you actually think this administration has a viable plan for our country. without the opposition, unemployment would be higher, the economy would be worse and the stock market would not be as high. the ideology, the agenda and policies would have the same effectiveness as lbj’s “great society” did for it’s goal to eliminate poverty.

    • Jffrantz

      In reality, IHF, the fascists are currently in power and they’ll say and do anything they can to keep it that way. The republic-ans, those who still favor a free republic, lower taxes and less government intrusion will be propelled back into power by the mistakes that the demo-fascists have made. By the way fascist movements of the past have a LOT more in common w liberal politics than with conservative. You would be well advised to read “Liberal Fascism” by Jonah Goldberg. It is the story of contemporya liberalisms fascist roots.

      • Bkwcomments

        You need to relearn what fascism is and who the fascists were/are. Just because one guy wrote a book doesn’t redefine the term. When conservative republicans call liberals fascists, all I can do is laugh at their ignorance.

        • Deborah G

          I haven’ stopped laughing at you and the rest of the libtards since you elected this moron

        • Deborah G

          Socialism: You have two
          cows. The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor.

          Communism: You have two
          cows. You give them to the Government, and the Government then gives you some
          milk.

          Fascism: You have two cows.
          You give them to the Government, and the Government then sells you some milk.

          Capitalism: You have two
          cows. You sell one and buy a bull.

          Nazism: You have two cows.
          The Government takes both and shoots you.

          New Dealism: You have two
          cows. The Government takes both, shoots one, buys milk from the other cow, then
          pours the milk down the drain

        • Ted Crawford

          Perhaps if you were to read Hitlers personal correspondence you might understand that Hitler did not view Communism as an opposing ideology, but rather as compeditors for the same block of voters!

        • Jffrantz

          Nope. You need to read the book. Lefties have always been for the fascist movements. They were enamored of the the Soviet Union, hysterical (and completely wrong) about the investigations of the 40s and 50s even though we knew then and now all know that there WERE loads of socialist spies in he State dept and the highest levels of government who WERE being handled by the KGB. Left wingers are evolutionists–thought there is not one shred of evidence to support this science fiction–and evolutionism being a philosophy in essence is what animates eugenics (embraced originally by the left) and led to not only the genocidal regimes in Europe but that unConstitutional right to abortion which is genocide on a scale only dreamed of by the fascists. progressivism and modern liberalism are movements bent on domination and control through the state–otherwise known as fascism.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            You’re absolutely right, of course. I find it humorous how often this has had to be explained to lefties who use that word to apply to conservatives without any understanding of what it actually means, simply because they like how it sounds.

  • Tim Ned

    I highly recommend that the senate and house only work every other year. Meaning we would at least get one year off from the lying and new legislation that goes along with it.

    • Sheila Warner

      House terms are only two years. You’d have to make them longer.

  • Brian Fr Langley

    The unhappy truth is the “ends justifies the means” crowd has taken over in both parties. When you have a King trust really doesn’t matter. Hope and prayer are more the order of the day. BUT the Framers set up a system in which the Governed can only be ruled through their continuing assent. If the Governed know not what they’re assenting to, the whole system breaks down. It seems that gutting the constitution only makes folks unhappy, if it’s gutting affects their side, but NOT if it effects the other. Unless the rule of law prevails, neither will the civilization it founded. Trust as Bernie so aptly points out is fundamental, law breaking (violating the Constitution) does not engender trust. Happy New Year and all the best of the Season.

    • Deborah G

      I think Obama’s Waterloo will be 2014

      • legal eagle

        Best stock market in 17 years and you’re still hoping for failure…Great way to start the New Year..

        • Deborah G

          The stock market has everything to do with OBAMA’s failure to get the economy going so the fed proppped it up. When they taper the economy won’t hold up. Better be prepared for a bit of a PULL BACK

          • Patrick H

            And why is the stock market back up? It’s most likely due to President Obama’s bailing out of Wall Street and those rich folks. Essentially, he just kept the boom up instead of letting the burst part of the cycle go through (responding to legal eagle).

          • Deborah G

            It has nothing to do with that. he is worng but for a different reason. The FAILED economic poloicies of OBAMA forced the fed to prop up the economy by increasing the money supply. To curb inflation they artifically kept the interest rates down to almost zero making people turn to things oike dividend stocks to get more than their banks and treasuries were offering them. A decent dividend stock pays 3-4% a GOOD dividend stock pays 5% and more risky investments pay more. With people buying Wall Street prices wnet up because of comptetion for shares. That’s it NO OBAMA thrill up your leg god deed. Just the markets and how they reacted to bad policy for businesses. ONCE the fed starts to taper their support i.e buying our own treasuries not foreign countries buying them there will be a pull back in Wall Street prices. My advice is buy only high quality stocks with many years fo dividend payments and take your pofits like on Facebook now.

          • legal eagle

            I will remember that while I’m counting all the money I’m making…keep accentuating the negative….good for the soul..

          • Deborah G

            And I am counti8ng mine with tight stops and shorts. option trading jas been good but an eye towards the truth as to the whys and they all lead to a FAIULED presidency.

          • legal eagle

            Hopefully your shorts are not too tight…LOL

          • Deborah G

            I average 23% every year so don’t worry about my shorts or their tightness

        • Jeff Webb

          Obama administration incessantly pumps money into the market, yielding artificially strong numbers, and you’re still claiming the economy is improving.

          Update your playbook, son.

        • Brian Fr Langley

          5 Great Obama years of CRONY capitalism. The rich got way richer, (especially the Democrat donating BIG banks)the poor poorer, and the middleclass? A group getting harder and harder to find. Of course it will be wealth and prosperity for all if we just tax the rich (I propose 80%) and set minimum wage at $28. per hr. I mean since we can do this with a wave of a magic wand, why stop at $10., or $15. (just imagine all the dollars they will spend) As for the Federal reserve? Print baby print, and make us all millionaires. We’ll all be rich, and live happy ever after.

    • JBubs

      Brian, you are spot on. If I may I would like to build upon Mr & Mrs IHF’s greetings and extend your thought. The “unhappy truth” about the “crowd” that “has taken over in both parties” is that it now follows three rules:1) The ends justify the means, 2) You must break some eggs to make an omelet, and 3) Shut up and get in the cattle car. This of course is straight from Marxism 101. Our republican style of government was designed to be one of “laws, not of men”, but no more. Brace yourself. The worse is yet to come. Happy New Year.