Here’s an Idea, Mr. President …

LettersAs a general rule, I believe that on any give day there’s more wisdom in the Letters to the Editor section of the Wall Street Journal than there is in the entire Obama administration.

For example, Jonathan Lesser from Sandia Park, New Mexico writes:  “To argue as White House economist Jason Furman does, that reducing the workforce by the equivalent of 2.5 million jobs will empower workers to make better choices is beyond ludicrous.  If that’s the case, then perhaps we can achieve complete societal  nirvana by eliminating the incentive for anyone, anywhere to work productively.

And this from Deborah McMicking from San Francisco:  “Maybe I should quit my job and become a poet or artist and let the next person pay for me.  Pretty soon there will be no more ‘other people’ to subsidize all the new artists and poets.”

And apparently what occurred to Chris Zunkel of Des Moines didn’t ring any alarm bells in the West Wing.  “I worry about Social Security accounts.  If you aren’t contributing to Social Security as an earner, doesn’t this lower the amount you get at retirement?  Will we be a nation of low-income elderly?  Won’t that cause an even harder burden on the generation born in the 2030s to support the Gen-X-ers and Millennials.  Do the math.”

Or how about this from Steve Milloy from Potomac, Maryland:  “Even Karl Marx would likely be aghast at the left’s view that ObamaCare ‘liberates’ workers from working.  At least Marx wasn’t for a ‘slacker’s paradise.’”

And finally, words of wisdom from Richard Brawer who lives in Ocean, New Jersey:  “We are truly headed for ‘from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.’ That didn’t work in Russia and China, and it will eventually be the downfall of the U.S.”

Memo to Potus:  Margaret Thatcher once observed that, “The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money [to spend].” You might want to consider that before coming up with another big government scheme to “fundamentally transform the United States of America.”  You might also want to read the Letters to the Editor in the Wall Street Journal before you come up with another of those “great” ideas.  And while you’re at it, make your economic team read the letters, too.  You, and they, might actually learn something.  And even more important, you might save the rest of us from another installment of your idealistic master plan that looks good on paper, but doesn’t work in the real world.

 

 

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  • Rose

    Good night everyone! I hope the moderator allows my final post about the coming Hillary presidency. It’s been real and it’s been fun, but it hasn’t been real fun. Cheer up and chill out! This place is like a visit to the morgue. I am heading for sunnier, more positive playgrounds.

  • Rose

    I once made a list of all the things that were going to “destroy” the United States of America according to Chicken Littles. It was long and varied. Of course the political and economic offerings were many. We would be destroyed by communism, socialism, Nazism, materialism, Democrats, Republicans, environmentalists, etc. And various groups were threats to our very fabric from time to time : hippies, draft dodgers, working mothers, single mothers, welfare recipients, unions, intellectuals, blacks, Asians, Mexicans, drug runners, non-Christians, atheists. Individuals are often deemed capable of flattening this nation under their heels deliberately or accidentally : presidents, congressmen, various popes, Madelyn Murray O’Hare, Elvis and Jerry Lee, Ho Chi Min, Mao, Hitler, Khruschev, both George W. And Al Gore, the Clintons, Martin Luther King, Malcom X. As much as we love religion, we often predict our demise will come from Catholics, Muslims, Hindus, New age types, Rev. Moon, Satan or the wrathfully All-Mighty. Cultural entities and customs can bring us to our knees too, including Hollywood, rock and roll, dirty dancing, marijuana, pornography, television, gambling. We have seen our imminent destruction in JFK, the Mafia, the public schools, divorce, Aids, gay marriage. Inventions and progress are usually looked upon as dangerously corrosive: the industrial revolution, robots, drones, movies, the telephone, computers, Flouride. Social programs are always suspect at first: social security, Medicare, the WPA, the GI Bill, all were deemed as dangerous to the country as ObamaCare in their day. Airplanes, the Bomb, the Japanese, the Germans, slavery, the Emancipation Proclamation. All kinds of books have been considered lethal, not just Mein Kampf but The Catcher in the Rye and even Dr. Seuss.

  • David Gorton

    Point taken! Initially, I hoped I was wrong about Obama, he’d correct the more egregious “sins”of the healthcare industry, flatten the tax code, and be truly “transformational”!! At least I don’t have buyers/voters remorse; he never gave me “tingles”!!!

    • Rose

      It takes more than a few months to implement large programs. The same things were said about social security, but now it is loved by all. Medicare has been totally embraced. Even the GI Bill was called socialism by some. But few people want it to go away now. ObamaCare will bring us into the twenty first century in terms of healthcare. I consider the health of the nation to be a huge part of our national security. A sick nation is weak nation. One day people will look back in amazement at all the opposition to health care for all in the same way that we marvel at people who opposed and feared polio vaccinations, heart transplants, brain surgery etc. for some reason, their are always dead weights who have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the new century. I applaud Obama for getting a healthcare program off to a start. I am proud that I voted for him twice.

      • David Gorton

        Rose, I’ll not pretend to understand why you would post a rebuttal comment 13 days after Bernie’s article of 12 Feb.; perhaps you’re a slow reader. I’ll not pretend to know that, either. As to your incessant ramblings, and shallow justification for government programs that have left skid marks all the way to the edge of the abyss, and a president with no record of accomplished leadership, or successful legislative action, then you got the president you deserve! Congratulations!!
        His approval ratings tell the real story, numbers don’t lie!!!

    • Independent Cuss

      Didn’t think there was much of a choice either time. McCain was too old. I’m old and I recognize what age does ti some folks. He couldn’t take the campaign trail. Too rigorous. Palin was a bad choice. Not ready. His Hail Mary. They scared me. McCain wanted more war. Romney too plastic for me. Not real. Mormons are clannish types like Amish. Stick together too much. Can’t say I liked his wife. Obama was all that was left for independents.

      • David Gorton

        Not for this Independent. The candidates you cited all had a track record of success, with some failures, candidates are human, too; they also had character, principles, and leadership skills. Go to the archives and read again what Palin said would become of the Ukraine under Obama’s foreign policy. I wished Romney had as much grit as McCain & Palin, but he’s business oriented, he gets things done because he brings out the best in others. Richard Nixon once said;” . . . at least the communist talk about the problems. All we do is talk about the communist!” Obama’s the master of distraction. It’s unfortunate many are just now realizing that fact.

        • Rose

          Palin is just plain dumber than dirt and McCain is an old windbag. The Ukraine situation began because they wanted to join the EU and their president was a Putin Puppet. His government was overthrown. The people made a brave choice and it remains to be seen how they will fare. Are our national interests at stake in Ukraine? Can we afford to go to war with Russia? Don’t the European countries have more at stake? If Palin ever made any type of prediction about Ukraine, all I can say is, even a blind squirrel can find a nut sometimes. Ha! It is going to take a wise and steady hand to sort out this issue, certainly not some Yosemite Sam running off his or her mouth to appease the warmongers. And we are very limited In what we can do. Apparently you are ready to jump head first into that mess. I am pretty sure our president and government is not!

          • David Gorton

            It’s not apparent to me that I’m ready to jump-in head first. I’ve been in three wars, starting with Vietnam, [U.S. Army,1966-67], and my kid brother, U.S. Marines,[1968-70]. I know what war did to us. Putin’s a thug. He’ll use his power to get more power, and territory. He got Obama to pull missiles out of Poland; Obama told Medvedev to tell “Vlad” he’ll have more “flexibility” after the election; what’s that about? No one will confront Putin unless their sure the U.S.’s in their corner. Friends and allies are not sure we are still standing with them. Those are proven facts, not rhetoric. Now, “our president” wants to cut the military even further, which strikes fear into the hearts of many military families, some of whom are already collecting food stamps etc.. Serious stuff! You’re more interested in defending rhetoric, and denigrating people you disagree with, than taking a good hard look at both sides.

  • David Gorton

    Bernie, I’m sure you know wisdom and intelligence are two very different things. Intellectually, Obamacare was a good idea because it proposed to fix what was broken with the healthcare system. But they abandoned wisdom when they decided to fix what was not broken. Why would they do that? Regardless of what vantage point I look at it from, it makes no sense. It’s not about intelligence, or wisdom. It’s about power!!

    • Gratefulconservative

      Power, manipulation and control. That has always been liberal’s mantra; to fix what is not broken. They like keeping things stirred up to confuse!

      • David Gorton

        Absolutely! I hope & pray voters see the real truth of Obama’s words that are coming back to him in ways he was not wise enough to foresee.

        • Vance P. Frickey

          Unfortunately, I don’t see Americans seeing any such thing until our country becomes even more drawn down than it was during the Carter administration. And I don’t see them remembering just how bad socialism was a bit longer than they did after Carter left office.

    • Vance P. Frickey

      What happened was that Obama saw the sheer size of our healthcare economy and the Medicare Fund – and salivated. Not one important “reform” in ObamaCare actually increases availability of healthcare to a working American who may actually need it. But six or seven new taxes on the healthcare economy will soon act as a brake on the availability of healthcare to most Americans who still have jobs.

      That famous “free preventive medical care” amounts to an executive physical; it won’t help someone with cancer, severe heart disease, or any of a number of other conditions requiring immediate and extended medical intervention – the first several thousand dollars’ worth of which will now come from the pockets of hapless workers who can only afford a “bronze” policy from the Exchanges.

      Senate Finance Committee chairman Max Baucus (D, MT) accepted six million dollars in campaign funding from Big Insurance, and now we know why.

      Big Insurance picked up the only insurance salesmen on Earth who carry guns, the IRS, for free. Now, they can offer much less healthcare for much more money and force every American to accept the bad deal or give money to the country for NO health care.

  • tweets21

    With all the wise rhetoric we read from all sides of the aisle, I never get the feeling or impression, there is any model that has a suggestion to employee all the unemployed millions, in North America and the EU going forward. We successfully made globalization function, along with the good and the bad as a result of the internet. The Social Democratic Welfare State model we pursue, requires Big Brother to redistribute wealth. That of course comes from income tax and corporate taxes. Going to be tough. Makes zero sense to bring back jobs we have contracted out, in low income jurisdictions. Why would corporations ever consider assuming these benefit cost again.

    • Vance P. Frickey

      America basically funded its operations from the customs house until the 1900s. It could do so again. And it would make excellent sense to do so.

      Right now, “most favored nation” trading status has done nothing but finance the development of a new generation of MIRVed ICBMs pointed straight at us from China, and a program of Chinese territorial expansion in the Western Pacific against which the American taxpayer will have to fund troops and ships.

      We’re actually PAYING for all that to happen by extending “most favored nation” status to the Chinese. Both parties are guilty of it, and it needs to end. If the seventy billion dollar a year trade imbalance with China were changed, jobs WOULD open up in America, as our companies no longer had to compete unequally with foreign firms with no environmental or worker safety laws to speak of to comply with.

  • Gratefulconservative

    Now that there’s proof coming from Obama’s budget office that Obamacare is a job killer, this is just more spin the democrats have scraped from the bottom of the barrel. Seems they are getting close to running out of gas!!!!

  • TJ Goforth

    Socialism: It reads better than it lives.

  • Gradivus

    Careful with those quote marks when you’re actually paraphrasing, Bernie. Here’s what Margaret Thatcher actually said (in a TV interview for “Thames TV This Week” on 5 Feb. 1976): “… Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people’s money. It’s quite a characteristic of them.”

  • Lc Goodfellow

    Romney and Benghazi story;Initially, presidential candidate Mitt Romney was skewered by the Media for having the ‘nerve’ to publicly comment on the attack during the presidential campaign. They deemed his remarks to be ‘shameless’ and politically-motivated.
    Disturbingly, Romney’s ‘reaction’ to the Benghazi attack invoked more passion from the Media than the ‘actual murder’ of four American patriots in Benghazi did.

    Never forget.
    The thing that has me worried about this Gov’t is the unknown number of Demies as ‘ Public Servants ‘ in our U.S. Government.
    You can’t call them ‘ Civil Servants ‘ not after 2013 and all the ‘ FiFth’s ‘ taken. That’s far from being ‘ Civil ‘ – F&F, IRS, NSA, AP, the Census Bureau, Benghazi Lies ?
    There’s enough here for a century of Presidents.

  • Paul Courtney

    Bernie: Saw Imus read your letter, which was great. He was still smarting this A.M., quite an accomplishment for you. But if you make him stop being mean to people, this I will not forgive. Do you realize he’s a short step from saying something nice about Matt Lauer, or the Fox & friends crew?! Don’t know if I could take that!

  • wildjew

    Mr. Goldberg, here is my problem with the conclusion of this excellent piece. Your admonishment to President Obama that he might want to consider the terrible fruit of socialism before coming up with another big government scheme to “fundamentally transform the United States of America,” appears to presume, like Bill O’Reilly, you believe Obama wants what is best for this country. I am not convinced of it. Watching on-line videos of Obama giving Hillary Clinton and John McCain the finger (literally) to raucous laughter and cheers (Google it if you don’t believe me), I cannot help but wonder if that isn’t what Obama is doing to the American people collectively.

    • Vance P. Frickey

      Obama’s never really had to endure the normal process of civilian audit until recently. None of his schemes have been held up to the light, and the very same press that preened itself on helping harry Richard Nixon out of the White House over Watergate and other abuses is oddly silent over Fast and Furious, Benghazi, and exactly the same sort of abuse of the IRS that formed the basis for an Article of Impeachment drawn up against Nixon. And until that happens, it’s incumbent on every member of the press that isn’t beholden to Obama or actively colluding with him to call for some badly-needed sunshine in our Federal government.

  • LHS

    How many times have I posted this, ten? And I’ll be posting it again. Oh yes.
    Don’t count on the “other guy” putting in the time and hard work. Don’t just rant on these blogs. Call, email and write your congressmen and senators. Repeatedly and doggedly. It actually works when the numbers are there and their phone lines, mailboxes and voicemails are overflowing. The “other guy” is not going to do it. WE are.

    • wildjew

      I do call my Republican Congressman. I tell his aid we need a new Speaker; a conservative Speaker.

      • LHS

        Well done.

      • legal eagle

        You talk to his “aide” because the Congressman can’t be bothered with time wasters like yourself…..Keep whining…

        • wildjew

          I think I know how it works because my late father (a successful real estate attorney) contributed generously to Republican politicians and the state party. He was our county chairman and our state committeeman. He gave generously to our U.S. Congressman who called him regularly about this or that bill. Dad was a very wise man. He gave good advice but he also gave money; lots of it. Other than at a town-hall forum, a Congressman is not going to waste much if any time talking to constituents that don’t contribute generously. That’s how it works in politics today L.E. Money is everything.

          • legal eagle

            It’s the way it’s always worked….and money gets you access…

    • legal eagle

      Why don’t you just call in to a right wing radio show and rant?….It will do you about as much good as bothering your Congressman with your paranoia…

      • LHS

        Know what the difference is between a lawyer and a trampoline, “legal eagle”?
        You take your shoes off when you jump on a trampoline. Run along now.

        • legal eagle

          Your mental masturbation must be exhausting….take an Ambien with a nice bottle of wine…

        • JPindiorski

          :) Me thinks a name change might be appropriate: “legal beagle”

          • legal eagle

            Your jealousy is showing…..

  • hihoze

    There’s a reason why the old saws like: “Starving artist” or “Don’t quit your day job” are timeless…and nothing Ms. Pelosi or ObamaCare does will change that.

  • Josh

    With all the many criticisms of Obama and company to come out over the past few years, I highly doubt as if my observation is unique, but Obama and his like-minded minions remind me of the kids at the table in those AT&T commercials.

    It’s like someone went around asking, “How can we make healthcare better?” and they answered with that wide-eyed enthusiasm that, “We can give it to everyone, for less money, because less money is good, and we can do this without costing anyone else more money, plus you can keep your insurance if you want!”

    Likewise with the employment situation: “We can spend more money, because more money is good. Then we can make every employer pay more money, because more money is good. If people have more money, then people won’t have less money, because they’ll have more money. And we can give people more money to follow their dreams if they don’t want to work, and everyone can be happy and have more money!”

    I really can’t tell if the Obamas of the world are simply trying to placate a base that they hope every young person is going to fall into by lazy default, or if they truly believe they can central plan the world into prosperity and happiness. And glitter. And throw in a unicorn. Don’t forget that one-man drum circle.

  • rightside mojo

    President doesn’t read letters from working Americans, only “struggling” single moms. Working moms and dads don’t count.

    • Josh

      Struggling single moms. Read: A staffer who minored in creative writing and is now the administration’s Hemingway when it’s time to tell BS stories that only endear those already grabbing at every appendage.

      Besides, single moms only “struggle” if they’ve yet to discover all the many assistance programs. Not that I’m trying to discount motherhood or toss moms under the bus. Some work incredibly hard and really do struggle. But they don’t really have to if they want to go the bum route. Daycare, food, shelter, money, medicine — all given away. And if there was a man in the picture, well, that’s even more money.

  • Wheels55

    Obama and Pelosi just don’t understand that America’s machine is fueled by the working class and oiled by the entrepreneurial spirit. It’s as if they are still in the 5th grade and talk about what they want to be when they grow up.

  • Frank P

    Never mind fundamentally changing America, we need to fundamentally change the government. The Constitution cannot stand without “We the People” defending it and “We the People” cannot stand without the Constitution defending us. This administration is not interested in either. The two parties are only interested in their own survival not ours. They cow down to the loudest voices, make dependent huge segments of our population and in tiny stages take more from productive society. They determine what we must accept as moral, determine what is legal based not on law but their own interests. They know just how to stay under the radar. By affecting relatively small segments of our population at a time, the majority ignores the plight of the few affected. When it is someone elses turn to be affected their complaints are never widespread enough to be heard. Brick by brick they are building a wall that will soon be too high to climb.

  • 1940voter

    This administration is one of lies, deciet, distortion, with the help of the msm. It will not change until they are out of office.Period

    • LHS

      Correct. So what are you doing to accomplish this, 1940Voter? What are 90% of the conservative posters on this Goldberg site doing? Gonna stay home if you don’t liiiiike the candidates in your state/district/precinct? “I don’t agreeee with my cadidate’s stance on XYZ so I’ rather be MAD!”
      Our ONLY first step to stop this runaway socialist train initially is to vote straight Republican in every election from now through 2020 – at LEAST. THEN we can hash out term limits, healthcare, tax reform, etc., etc., etc., etc.
      Wake – up – people.

      • 1940voter

        No I voted and I looked around me and knew the election was lost –all the union memebers all had pre printed flyers on who , how , and what would happen if they didn’t vote that wayotifications@disqus.net> To: hotwaxal@yahoo.com
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        • LHS

          Very good 1940Voter. But hang in there. We WILL beat this.

          • legal eagle

            Keep hope alive…..You’ll be able to vote for another Bush one of these years…

    • legal eagle

      It will not end until we end the right of those minorities and woman to vote…How dare they allow a Harvard educated colored guy to be POTUS?

      • 1940voter

        Cut the PC BS–You know and I know it’s about control, control of people’s idea’s and thoughts. It hasn’t got a damn thing to do with minorities and women. If it was about women they would vote his sorry butt out of office along with dems for ruining the economy, including health care.

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        Why do you want to end the rights of minorities and women to vote? Why does the idea of a black president make you uncomfortable? Could you be an old, bitter, white guy?

      • Jeff Webb

        I know it’s a tall order to suggest you engage people in debate, but please stop posting like a bigot. When it comes to posting racist slurs around here, there’s consistently just one offender: YOU.

  • Kathie Ampela

    The government cannot artificially level the playing field. It was tried during the Clinton era with the (bipartisan) idea of giving everybody a “fair shake” at homeownership and it nearly collapsed the economy. King Obama and Queen Pelosi cannot “create income equality” without creating a government poverty farm while putting themselves at the top of the food chain. The government CANNOT takeover the healthcare industry without disrupting the entire eco-system; that’s what we are seeing now. Here is a very short history of healthcare in the U.S. and except for a brief period in the 1920’s, we’ve never had free market healthcare. The more government has become involved with healthcare, the more expensive and complex it has become. I work as an independent contractor and do not have employer based insurance, the free market would offer lower prices and wider choices without price gouging because the insurance companies would be forced to compete. https://libertylegalfoundation.org/health-care/#.UvzT5DEo6M8

    • legal eagle

      Have you ever heard Obama or Pelosi advocate for “income equality”? You haven’t because it’s a figment of your imagination probably planted by some Fox News or right wing radio circus act…

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        Are you high? He’s delivered entire speeches on it. Here’s one from just two months ago:
        http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/12/04/remarks-president-economic-mobility

        • Patrick H

          I didn’t think legal eagle could get any stupider. I mean it’s understandable if one agrees or disagrees with the remarks, that’s one thing. But it’s another to deny they were actually said.

          • legal eagle

            I understand that if you don’t read or listen to anything except the crap they feed you on Fox News it’s hard to comprehend the difference between slogans and policy…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            How would you know? You never watch Fox News.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            It reminds me of another troll who used to post here. He’d come here every single day telling posters that what they were writing was racist, but emphatically deny that he ever called anyone a ACTUAL racist.lol.

        • legal eagle

          “Income inequality” does not refer to a government policy of “income equality”….I know you have to think about it but no one is suggesting that everyone make that workers make the same wages…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Oh, Good lord. lol. Are you seriously defending the contrived campaign against “income inequality” by arguing that ‘Obama isn’t saying everyone should be guaranteed the EXACT same income’?

            Ha!

            Forgive me for not recognizing your adolescent semantics argument. That’s something my kids would try with me. I would have never expected it to come from an adult. Sad beyond words.

          • Jeff Webb

            Straw man. You’re being owned here, LE, more than usual.

      • Sheila Warner

        When the Dems rail against income inequality, it is because they want said inequality to be gone. So, just what would replace income inequality? You don’t understand nuance at all.

    • legal eagle

      Theoretical nonsense…

  • LHS

    No, the “plan” is a big smokescreen and you know it, I know it, and all thinking Americans know it, Bernie. The goal is to wreck the country. Deliberately. No matter what O’Reilly says. “Transform”‘is ObamaSpeak for destruction. And he’s doin’ a helluva job. Isn’t that right…..folks?

  • Florida Jim

    Obama refuses to look at Ireland, Greece, Spain, Portugal, and all the failed European countries that have died because of big government, lazy,lazy people. America is built on “I can do more than you and I will show you” not a pussy-footing nanny-state but a dynamic powerhouse that the world wants to look up to not mock as they do with Obama. Our President does not understand America’s role in the world he is terrified of Putin and the muslim Imams laugh at him behind his back and to his face. Can you imagine any President allowing this…..only a pansy. Every appointment is some other radical fool bent on adding to Obama’s plan to destroy America. If we awaken we can end this national nightmare and in three years be the world leader once again. Not under Hillary but under any Conservative in the mold of Reagan.

  • Chuck_Borealis

    Dear Mr. Zunkel, I have a phone and a pen. I don’t need math.
    Signed, President Obama.

  • SkyCitizen

    The reason Jason Furman can get away the bewildering fallacy of losing jobs for better choices is not his fault, it’s ours. The educational system has failed American children for decades evidenced by this little bit of Google zeitgeist:

    SOCIAL STUDIES- 695 MILLION REFERENCES
    SOCIAL JUSTICE- 555 MILLION REFERENCES
    CIVICS- 2.3 MILLION REFERENCES

    and the grand finale:
    GOVERNMENTS PROGRAMS- ONE BILLION 270 MILLION REFERENCES

  • Lc Goodfellow

    Hey Buzzard
    “Mitt is a fine guy” even a Seagull can come up bright statement.

    Your BIG mouth must have caught up with you. Tried to ‘Reply’
    on two of your words of wonder and got the ‘BIG’ removal notice.
    naughty, naughty, D*****S***

  • Gatortrapper

    Yes, common people generally see the basic truths that those with an agenda have long since forgotten.

    Generally like Bernie’s insights but frankly he’s part of a system that should be devoting more time to providing solid information to the public so that they can make informed decisions rather than the running commentary that occasionally drops a relevant fact as part of that review.

    The media, and maybe it’s only Fox that does it, should launch a running series where they take a single topic and then deal with it along their entire line of scheduled programs. Maybe they choose a week and then dedicate 12 minutes of programming that all fit together to form a complete presentation, without any political commentary, just a flat out presentation of facts, with context, on the selected topic. Then have an end of series panel in which each of the program hosts come together to help tie up loose ends on the facts and explain how the series provides critical information necessary for forming an informing opinion.

    • legal eagle

      Read a book….that’s part of the “media”…

    • Vance P. Frickey

      The facts are powerful enough in most cases that we don’t NEED political commentary – the people are bright enough to connect the dots for themselves.

      I agree with you on every step of that program. I just wish Roger Ailes at Fox News would pick up on the ideas you laid out.

      Alternatively, Fox could do a lot worse than have its producers sit up one day and watch CBS’s classic documentaries, like “Harvest of Shame,” for tips on how to get the viewers’ attention and throw important issues into sharp contrast.

      CBS News might have been meretricious liars top to bottom (excepting, of course, Mr. Goldberg, Bob Schieffer, a few others), but they sure knew how to get the story across in documentaries. Even when the story they told was false enough to get them successfully sued in court for libel under Sullivan vs. New York Times Co “absence of malice” rules.

      • Gatortrapper

        Thanks, I appreciate the endorsement of the concept. Seems quite obvious to me but you’re correct, you have to have the ear of the decision maker to have a chance. Love the word “meretricious.” Another addition to the 2014 version of my personal dictionary.

  • POWR

    But, but, but, Obama has nothing to learn, right? He’s brilliant, certainly more than the rest of us. Did I miss something? I’m so confused.

  • Jeo Ten

    Better idea … just vote for people who lived in the real world. The POTUS has not, and Congress is full of lawyers (even worse).

    • Vance P. Frickey

      Just make sure that the state doesn’t mail out all the ballots ahead of time, first, or you wind up like Colorado with a State house and Congressional delegation only vaguely related to the wishes of the people, because Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck voted several times on election day.

      The fact that Coloradans recoiled in horror after their last statewide elections and recalled the President of the State Senate and a major Senate floor leader not six months after the election ought to say volumes about how Colorado suddenly became a “blue” state – fraud.

  • Randall

    ” master plan that looks good on paper, but
    doesn’t work in the real world.”

    It doesn’t even look good on paper to anyone over the age of five.

    • T Ko

      It is ODD. Yes, the Obama Duck Dynasty.

  • Kanbun

    Here’s what I don’t understand. In 1988 Mike Dukakis was pretty much skewered by the word “liberal” and as a “card carrying member of the ACLU”. My how times have changed. If “liberal” was still a dirty word, Barry Obama would have been toast years ago. But I digress. Earlier this week I listened to liberal/progressive/socialist/commie Jehmu Greene discussing new NY mayor DeCommieOh’s speech on income inequality and using the word “utopia” in the conversation as what would result if NY were to solve this ‘inequality’ issue.

    Seems to me that Karl Marx was a fan of utopia. Wasn’t communism supposed to produce utopia – a workers’ paradise? I don’t get it folks. In 1988 “liberal” was a dirty word. Maybe not so much now, but I’m guessing most voters are not fond of communists. The media, including “fair and balanced” FoxNews shies away from calling Barry Obama, and his ilk in Congress, “socialists”. What are they doing that is not socialism? Obama Care? And socialism is of course, communism. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, well…it’s a duck. Why not call it a duck? When are we going to call this as it is? These guys are communists. Hey Republicans…stop being so worried about being PC and call it like it is. Barry, Jehmu, Reid, Pelosi are communists. There is nothing they stand for that even remotely resembles the principles upon which our founders used to start this country – not a single thing. So stop being nice and call ‘em all communists cuz that’s what they are.

    My bet is that the voting public would react the same way they did to that liberal puke Mike Dukakis in 1988.

    • T Ko

      What the political elitists are actually trying to achieve is their own dynastic structure of political power that can be put forward as resembling some ghostly apparition of our constitutionally-based government.

      It is a fuckin’ duck, and it appears to be a duck. It is the Obama Duck Dynasty (ODD).

    • legal eagle

      Simple thoughts by simple minded people…

    • Vance P. Frickey

      It only took 25 years for the American public to utterly forget how “utopia” ends – with utter fiscal and moral bankruptcy in the workers’ paradises of Eastern Europe. And it hasn’t even taken two years for our voters to forget what happened in the rest of Europe, especially in the Mediterranean rim where government buys votes and buys votes.. until government winds up with a “D” credit rating and no money to buy votes.

  • D Parri

    Unfortunately, too many Americans have made decisions about political candidates while hoping to be able to rely upon some unwritten promise that a candidate who is willing to lie about some issue for his own political gain will always have a ‘stopping point’ beyond which he will never travel.

    It ain’t so.

    Honesty and integrity are not outliers in a person’s character. They are personal qualities that are woven throughout someone’s persona and they don’t simply appear at some times and then disappear at other times.

    We all make mistakes and anyone can be duped under the appropriate circumstances, but the failure to try and be careful merely out of laziness will place responsibility for an error in judgment firmly upon the shoulders of those who buy into a lie.

    • 4deuce

      Looking at and seeing an utter lack of integrity in Barak Obama, I can only believe that Obama has successfully convinced himself that lying to the press, to the people of the USA and other nations of Earth is OK. It seems that his lying is indeed pathological and that he does not see the telling of untruths is wrong. As bad as it is (how could it be anything but bad?) to have a President so thoroughly comfortable with telling lies, it is even worse to have so many, many millions of Americans who still believe these lies and will defend them even after the lies have been exposed.

      • Vance P. Frickey

        You can’t cheat an honest man. That said, it explains how we got Obama in the first place – we squinted when we saw his “spiritual advisor” screamed racist vomit from the pulpit, and Obama sat there and nodded to the beat for twelve years. Just enough of us to elect him ignored the lies he told, and told, and told, and that damned self-adoring smirk of his. Because he promised to whip out that famous pen and write hot checks until we were happy.

  • Nannie boobot

    Here’s my take

    There once was a time when hard
    work
    From CEO to grocery store clerk
    Earned them their dough

    But now it ain’t so
    Cuz’ welfare checks pay if you shirk

    • Bob Olden

      You have the gift of limerick! Always a fantastic way to fling sarcasm at the runaway train of big government. May you cause many derailments!

      • Vance P. Frickey

        haiku, ain’t it? just sayin’

  • D Parri

    …perhaps we can achieve complete societal nirvana…. Bernard Goldberg

    Bernie, societal nirvana might be a little too much to ask, but eliminating unemployment altogether–now that’s another story. If Mr. Furman does his job well, and those first 2.3 million workers are convinced that they are now happy as a result of being unemployed, then think of the possibilities.

    To double that figure wouldn’t be too much of a challenge, but when the ranks of the nirvanists can be swelled to 20…30…40 million, then I would say that we will be on our way towards the truly beatific state of the United States. Blissful!

    • Vance P. Frickey

      I’d be happy if we just got what Lord Palmerston wanted as Foreign Secretary to Queen Victoria… “every man for himself and God for us all!” I realize that we won’t ever go all the way back to social Darwinism, and don’t want it, to be honest. But it’d be nice is those who could work, did, and those who could contribute to the nation’s tax coffers had to.

      The problem isn’t the 1% – they pay more Federal taxes as a proportion of their income than most of us. It’s the 47% who, thanks to a tragic misapplication of the Earned Income Credit and other tax holidays for Everyman, aren’t doing THEIR share. Romney should have doubled down on his remark about the 47% percent and showed how, even if they paid a token amount of Federal tax, say $100 a year, the Federal budget would be so much closer to balanced.

  • Steve

    I first agreed w/BG that the interview was a dog and pony show, but
    Mr. Obama’s response about the IRS was telling as was his deflecting
    scandals to a “tv station”

    • Vance P. Frickey

      Nixon WISHED that would have worked for him during Watergate. The truth is, Nixon was a fairly honest man compared to Obama. I used to call the current President “Obixon,” but that’s an undeserved insult to the man who got us out of Vietnam, enforced the Civil Rights Acts for the first time (Johnson sure wasn’t doing a lot with them) and in general was a more muscular liberal than the liberals were. Nixon did what Kennedy and Johnson just talked about, and cleaned up after their economic messes, too. I really believe THAT is why phony liberals like the entire Democratic party and the press hated Nixon so much – pure shame.

  • D Parri

    …I believe that on any give day there’s more wisdom in the Letters to the Editor section of the Wall Street Journal than there is in the entire Obama administration. Bernard Goldberg

    An arguable point, perhaps, but what is indisputable is the fact that those contributors to the Letter to the Editor comment page(s) are ‘vastly’ more honest on a single day than the accumulation of truth that has occurred throughout the entire Obama administration in six years.

    • Vance P. Frickey

      Unfortunately, America doesn’t elect truth-tellers, or we’d have seen a Ron Paul administration by now. Maybe a one-term presidency, but oh, what a ride!

  • Daniel

    Hey Bernie, do we even know the amount of the increase our congress gave to the spender in chief’s credit card today? Another trillion for wall street and a trillion to fund the upcoming bailout of the new flex-o-care act. People will now start their dream company because they no longer have to worry about that old job that was holding them back. Did I just hear someone say “If you like your old job you can keep it?”

    • D Parri

      Yeah, people are gonna’ need to figure out something to do–real quick.
      Government spending will soon rise to another record level in terms of debt as a percentage of GDP output. Everything that Obama is doing is working to harm the economy but he still clings to the lie that a nation can ‘spend’ its way to prosperity. It is a lie, but it is only one of the many that Obama has been able to put over on a majority of the American people.

      I have a feeling that the children of our nation today will take a very harsh look back on the events and changes that have taken place during Obama’s administration.

      Being the one’s whose lives will be forever changed–impacted negatively–they will have but one question, why?

      • legal eagle

        Fortunately for the nation you wont be around to view how the children will view the events of the Obama Administration.
        People like yourself are still pining for the “good old days” of the Eisenhower Administration…

        • Lc Goodfellow

          Your breath must be nasty as hell.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            lol.

        • Vance P. Frickey

          By then, Obama will have his own Doris Kearns Goodwin to sanitize his administration and write canonization pieces about him. All the other historians will be agreeing with our kids and grandkids about how Obama’s famous pen forged the ball and chain of debt to which they are anchored.

        • Jeff Webb

          You’re the one pining for the good old days, my dear bitter old white left-wing cultist needing his meds. You know, when news reports with a liberal slant were the only ones viewed and read by the public.

          You’re so desperate for that, you’d almost be able to handle a patriot being in the White House.

          • legal eagle

            I long for the days when the Beatles said “All you need is love” and “In the end the love you take is equal to the love you make”…..

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            You long for the 1960s? If anyone else on this website said that, you’d accuse them of being a racist.

          • legal eagle

            When you go to the movies does your wife have to tell you which is a laugh line and which isn’t?
            BTW…The 1960’s was the era of great change in America both socially and legally….Read up on it…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Legal, you routinely accuse the people you disagree with of wanting to take us back to the racist era you’re now expressing nostalgia over. If you’re so completely self-unaware that you can’t see any irony in that, you’re beyond redemption.

  • firststater

    What an asinine projection by the CBO. One has to assume that anyone doing this has food, shelter, clothing, transportation, entertainment etc covered by another means. Therefore, the government would be wise to not extend the subsidy to folks of this ilk

  • Bill

    “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it! – Upton Sinclair

    • delble

      I assume you are referring to the idiot media who think reporting on the latest Justin Bieber or Miley Cyrus antics are headlines. Benghazi, IRS targeting, voters rights for felons, state dinners worthy of the “Sun King.” It continues while the bribed (MSNBC, etc.) media is outside playing with their May Pole.

      • legal eagle

        Thank goodness you’ve brought up Benghazi…. I thought the RWNJ cultists had forgotten about the phony scandal orchestrated by Fox News…..
        The only one playing with their pole is obviously you…

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          Good point, Legal. I keep forgetting that Fox News was the source who made up a story about a spontaneous mob and YouTube being responsible for the death of four American patriots.

        • Gatortrapper

          Look at the comments in “legal eagle” postings. While his nom de plume suggests some type of legal occupation you find from his or her writings that there is little or no logic or reasoning contained in them. Rather it’s an endless stream of invective aimed at FOX, the GOP and the Tea Party. In short “legal eagle” is a shill for the Progressives specializing in snarky, inane and provocative comments.

          Experience has taught me that such people usually have a poor view of themselves and project the hostility and anger that they feel toward their own failings and inadequacies at others. In other words ‘legal eagle’ is a bully. Whether this is due to purely intellectual weakness or in combination with some sort of physical or performance issue cannot be determined, but I’d guess it’s all of the above given the vitriol that is spewed.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            It’s that observation that has prompted many visitors on this website to suspect that he’s a paid to troll here.

            I’m not convinced of that, but I agree with you that the man has a poor view of himself. His commitment to identifying everyone by their race suggests there’s something in his past – regarding race – that he’s extremely ashamed of.

            I’d call him a bully too, but I don’t think he’s intimidating anyone. His intellectual laziness prevents that.

          • legal eagle

            Glad to see you continue to be so obsessed with my comments that you have a need to respond to all my posts, especially those not meant for you….Bet your wife wishes you paid as much attention to her as you do to me?…..LOL

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Awwww. What’s a matter, legal eagle? Can’t the heckler take being heckled?

            Try posting an independent thought every once in a while, instead of your trollish nonsense and personal swipes at everyone who disagrees with you, and you might be treated with a bit more respect.

            Until then, stop your whining.

          • Vance P. Frickey

            The race card is legal eagle’s parachute – he hauls it out when he’s fresh out of an even remotely plausible way to refute someone else’s comments.

          • Gatortrapper

            He claims that he is an attorney. Harvard educated I’m sure.

            Too many folks fill the comments sections with ad hominem about others rather than availing themselves of the opportunity of actually engaging in a policy debate by identifying facts they believe are relevant and crafting argument that clearly identifies the goal of a particular policy and addresses the flaws that are identified.

            But as you allude, there is a shallowness in the level of critical thinking and analysis that predominates our society today, and perhaps this is merely a reflection that the reason why on 3% of the people were involved in the Revolution, it was largely the better educated and not the masses. Today the masses have a vehicle for expression and drown out the 3% who are thoughtful enough to realize that they don’t have a lock on truth and therefore are open to constructive criticism. The 97% remaining only know destructive criticism and become inflamed when someone with depth exposes their shallowness.

            Legal eagle may be lawyer but I’d look carefully before retaining. Fortunately I wouldn’t need him as I have a real JD.

          • legal eagle

            When one uses the phrase “Experience has taught me” that usually means they are going to opine about a subject they have no actual knowledge or facts about …..
            By the way…what exactly is a “shill” and who might I be “shilling” for? Normally I get a retainer to represent a party in a legal matter….

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            >>When one uses the phrase “Experience has taught me” that usually means they are going to opine about a subject they have no actual knowledge or facts about

            So… Are you saying that you’re going to precede each of your comments on this website with that phrase now? Thanks for the heads up!

          • Gatortrapper

            For someone who implies they are an attorney you would think you might be able to use a dictionary, or had encountered the term “shill” at some point in their august legal career.

            And although law school certainly exposed me to legal concepts and reasoning, experience is really the only school provided for dealing with the diverse personalities you find in people. But of course you would know that given your years of legal practice.

            I stand by the comment, reinforced by your response. You are “shilling” for Progressives in all your comments in your history (to the extent I choose to check them). And here’s your definition since you didn’t find it in Black’s 17th Ed..

            shill [shil] noun. 1. a person who poses as a customer in order to decoy others into participating, as at a gambling house, auction, confidence game, etc. 2. a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty.

          • legal eagle

            I am quite aware of the definition of “shill”.. Unlike Goldberg, my comments have no personal agenda,I do not receive compensation for them nor am I friends with any Washington DC politicians….I am generally not opposed to being a shill but first the retainer check has to clear….LOL

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Would you prefer the term, “useful idiot” then?

          • Gatortrapper

            All evidence to the contrary.

          • legal eagle

            I rest my case…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Thanks for admitting that you’re a shill. It’s about time.

        • Jen

          Phony scandal? Fox must have created 4 dead bodies. WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            In fairness to legal eagle, the poor guy suffers from a rare ailment that forces him to instinctively parrot anything that comes out of the mouths of President Obama and Jay Carney. He really can’t help it.

          • Vance P. Frickey

            Coprolalia?

          • Lc Goodfellow

            Poor Seagull, ” Footinmouth ” and other small man’s disease or malady, sometime thought to be chronic.

          • legal eagle

            So according to you if the Obama Administration had said immediately after September 11th that Benghazi was a terrorist attack then no one would have died?

          • Jen

            Ambassador Stevens had requested security for weeks prior. Documents from people on the ground said the attack could have been prevented. They didn’t need to die. Surrounding military were told to stand down. The only phony part of this is the lie the administration told about a fake youtube video.
            Is there anything Obama has done or could do that you would disagree with?

          • Jeff Webb

            >Is there anything Obama has done or could do that you would disagree with?<<

            Going by many of his comments, apparently he'd find it disagreeable if Obama were to honor his oath, improve the jobs situation, and tell the truth.

            I can't even imagine how irritated LE would be if Obama were 100% white.

          • legal eagle

            I have no idea what you know or don’t know about economics but cite me a credible economic study that explains how the government creates private sector jobs….Private sector job creation is higher under Obama than under Bush…Your criticism is , as usual, factually deficient…

          • Jeff Webb

            >>cite me a credible economic study that explains how the government creates private sector jobs..<>Private sector job creation is higher under Obama than under Bush…Your criticism is , as usual, factually deficient…<<

            Advice, no charge: if you want to convince others of your guy's successes, simply saying he's better than a guy you find disgraceful doesn't say much about him, or you.

          • legal eagle

            My point is if you are going to blame Obama for the “terrible” economy, doesn’t he deserve credit for the booming stock and housing markets?
            I’m pointing out a fact, which obviously is something you don’t approve of….LOL

          • Jeff Webb

            >>My point is if you are going to blame Obama for the “terrible” economy,
            doesn’t he deserve credit for the booming stock and housing markets?<>I’m pointing out a fact, which obviously is something you don’t approve of….LOL<<

            Give it a rest.

          • legal eagle

            The housing debacle was 90% Wall Street driven…politicians refused to reign in Wall Street’s greed and fraud because Wall Street supplies the political class the mothers milk of politics which is $$$$….

          • Jeff Webb

            Barney Frank & other dems told the GOP not to worry about Fannie/Freddie lending practices–no need for any reform to prevent a housing crisis. Still, you think either they bear none of the blame, or 10% or less of it.

            I gave you way, WAY too much credit.

          • legal eagle

            I responded but for some reason I was censored….Did I make too much sense or did I provide too many facts?….LOL

          • Jeff Webb

            I couldn’t tell you what happened.
            Rest assured that if we do see you commit either of those two acts, we’ll assume someone kidnapped you & hijacked your account, and notify the police.

          • legal eagle

            I appreciate the fact that you have my back…LOL

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            It’s only fair since you have the president’s front.

          • legal eagle

            Who is pumping in tax money and what are they pumping into? What are you talking about?

          • legal eagle

            Who said to stand down? How could the attack been prevented? Read the facts…
            I disagree with any number of Obama policies including NSA expansion, failure to enact better financial reform, failure to close Guantanamo, failure to prosecute bankers for securities fraud and the Obamacare rollout….I don’t have to agree with every policy to support an Administration’s agenda….What do Republicans support? Not much….

          • Jen

            “Who said to stand down? How could the attack been prevented? Read the facts…”
            If you have to ask those questions, you haven’t been paying attention at all! You need to read up.

            Republican’s like the Speaker and Mitch McConnell just support the debt ceiling this week, didn’t they? Or did you not hear about that either?

            I try real hard when posting to be respectful but, PS- you are stupid.

          • legal eagle

            There was no order given to stand down, other than in the imagination of Republicans and Fox News….Care to tell me where I might read otherwise?
            The debt ceiling is not a policy..it’s a political decision..

          • Sheila Warner
          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            This is where he explains that “you can’t go” and “stand down” have completely different meanings. lol.

          • legal eagle

            I’m referring to :www.intelligence.senate.gov/benghazi2014/be
            No order to stand down was ever given…

          • Sheila Warner

            Your link led to a “page not found”. I think I believe the people who were there, and CBS’ reporting of the testimony.

          • legal eagle
          • Sheila Warner
          • legal eagle
          • Sheila Warner

            Finally a link that worked. The report by the Committee acknowledges testimony from those who were in Libya that there was a stand down order, However, the Committee did not believe that testimony, as there was “no evidence” to back up that testimony. When describing the response time of the FAST platoon, the actual time of arrival is redacted over and over. I believe Gregory Hicks’ testimony.

            Let’s say you are correct, and that there was no “stand down” order given. The explanation for not deploying any help to the consulate was the length of time it would have taken to get troops to the site of the attack. Again, the length of time is redacted in several sentences. If it is really true that there was no way to get to Benghazi in time, that goes to the heart of the report that slams the State Dept and the DOD for not having enough security in place.

          • legal eagle

            I would agree with your overall assessment of the report….

          • legal eagle

            The Senate Intelligence Committee report refutes the CBS claim that there was a stand down order given.. You can believe whatever you want whether its factual or not….because someone says something happened doesn’t mean they are accurate…but you know that…

          • Jeff Webb

            The OC rollout wasn’t a policy either, just a vehicle for the law’s implementation.

            A politician’s view on whether or not the ceiling should be raised is a policy. Precious few of them believe in spending practices that would save everyone from having to raise the ceiling in the first place.

          • Jeff Webb

            >>What do Republicans support? Not much….<<

            The Constitution, more than democrats (but that's a seriously low bar), not enough compared to conservatives.

  • Shane

    Some libs just go along with the administration’s talking point without doing any critical thinking. It’s a shame.

    • legal eagle

      Brilliant comment….take you long to think about it?

      • Tim Ned

        Probably about 2 seconds because it’s very obvious that you have marching orders based upon your comments here. What did you call the move to 30 hours a week so someone could benefit from free health care? Freedom?

        • legal eagle

          I understand it’s a little complicated for the simpleminded…..It means if you are 62, have a preexisting condition and you no longer want at a job you may hate then you can get private insurance..
          That’s bad for who?

          • Tim Ned

            That’s not what happens, study the bill for the subsidies based upon income level. That’s what it’s about.

          • legal eagle

            If you get health insurance through your job and you leave the job who pays for the insurance? You’d still be net out of pocket for the net cost, wouldn’t you?

          • Tim Ned

            Read the bill along with the presidential mandates coming down. You can cut your hours and increase your subsidies. It’s simple math even of us simple minded old white Republicans. It is a continuation of the liberal welfare reform that you call what? Progressive!

          • legal eagle

            and if you cut your hours you’ll pay less taxes….you’re still net out of pocket….

          • Vance P. Frickey

            The common theme here is that ObamaCare targets workers who try and earn more for their families and have disposable income…. that evil old “upward aspiration” that Obama seems to despise inwardly. Taxes oughtn’t to be designed to discourage those who want more for their families and themselves. And health insurance oughtn’t to be just one more way to redistribute income from working people into the hands of those with friends in power.

      • Lc Goodfellow

        Hey Buzzard
        “Mitt is a fine guy” even a Seagull can come up bright statement.

        Your BIG mouth must have caught up with you. Tried to ‘Reply’
        on two of your words of wonder and got the ‘BIG’ removal notice.
        naughty, naughty, D*****S***

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          You’ve got to love how legal is now echoing the mainstream media narrative that, “You know, Mitt Romney’s not so bad after all,” after they and him painted the man as a racist, uncaring monster a year and a half ago.

          Truly pathetic.

          • Vance P. Frickey

            You must have missed Melissa Perry on MSNBC and her buddies guffawing over Romney’s family Christmas card, which shows his adopted African-American grandson Kieran.

            One of Perry’s half-wittier comments was “One of these things is not like the others,” which shows how racism works for the Left – quite well, actually. They get to beat up on Mitt Romney with utter lies paid for by your education property taxes (the part NEA sends on to the Democratic Party every four years) and then they get to beat up on him because one of his kids adopted a child for whom, apparently, a family in which he DID look like the others couldn’t be found.

            But MSNBC hasn’t given up pinching loaves off on Mitt Romney. Racism and pettiness are their core values.

          • Jeff Webb

            He actually said something like that? When? I can’t find it. I must say this is a curiosity.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            I think it got deleted since he also referred to bodily fluids in the post. lol. Class act!

    • Reese

      The right just accepts what Fox News says as fact without doing any fact checking. Just keep repeating the lie and people will believe it.

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        Or so that’s what Jon Stewart tells you.

      • Sheila Warner

        Where’s the lie? The head of the CBO, Mr Elmendorf testified before Congress that the ACA creates a disincentive to work. No FNC report needed–the man said it. You might disagree with the response from the GOP, but the statement was not a lie. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/02/05/cbo_director_obamacare_creates_a_disincentive_for_people_to_work.html

        • legal eagle

          Under that theory all taxes create a disincentive to work….It’s economic theory, not economic fact…

          • Vance P. Frickey

            Actually, no. ObamaCare is unique among taxes in that it targets the working population exclusively. It’s a “sin tax” that treats having health insurance if you work as a “sin.” It’s WORSE than a straight income tax, which at least treats all income above the floor level at which one pays tax at all equally (with the exception of the current capital gains tax).

            Not only that, but the “par” ObamaCare health insurance has such high deductibles and copays, it will cause most working Americans to defer medical treatment until many medical conditions become bad enough to disable the worker. The only people well-served by ObamaCare are recipients of Expanded Medicaid, who will be getting free care courtesy of the working population and retirees whose Medicare Fund was looted by Obama to pay off his most loyal voters.

          • Sheila Warner

            You didn’t watch the testimony. Otherwise, you’d know that Elmendorf compared taxes to subsidies, and how each in its own way influences the number of hours worked. He stated that taxes leave one less well off, while the subsidies leave one better off. So, we can add this testimony to the list of things you haven’t watched.

      • 4deuce

        Fox News again Reese? Blaming Fox News yet again? That sort of lame, tedious, thoughtless remark is no more inspiring than reruns of My Mother the Car. Update your Blame Someone Else list, please.

        • legal eagle

          Fox News serves a purpose as the Republican Broadcasting Network….Don’t blame them if the old fools who watch it want to stay ignorant…Ailes is just feeding the old haters…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Fox News is a bogeyman for bitter, old, white liberal cultists who need someone to blame the president’s failures on.

      • Jen

        Repeating lies like: If you like your insurance you can keep it? If you like your doctor you can keep him/her? Obamacare won’t add one cent to the deficit? I don’t know anything about any scandal ?

        • Vance P. Frickey

          Oh, and the classic “ObamaCare ISN’T A TAX!” – which, of course, is why the IRS penalizes you if you don’t buy it.

  • Jim Voorhees

    POTUS is at the top of the self-loving spectrum – as a charismatic narcissist leader with an excess of charm. He reminds me of the entrepreneur who launched a meeting for new employees by explaining that nobody ever gets anywhere working for someone else. POTUS is the least competent, least experienced person we have ever had in that office – with apologies to Warren Harding, Andrew Johnson and Jimmy Carter.

    • Vance P. Frickey

      You forgot Woodrow Wilson, who got us into a war just to see the resulting peace treaty guarantee a rematch in 20 years, and who required all Federal employment applications to have a photo of the applicant attached so those pesky negroes couldn’t get work the way they were being hired under Roosevelt and Taft. Democrats at work again.

  • Gloria

    What boggles my mind when I hear the likes of Pelosi, Schumer, Carney, et als defending this new twist regarding people not being forced to stay in jobs just because of their health benefits……and that they can now quit and pursue other endeavors like staying home or becoming an artist or poet – is just how the hell are these same people going to pay for food, shelter, clothing, utilities, etc? In other words how are they going to live? If they only worked for the benefits, then they must be independently wealthy? Makes no sense, just like much of this ridiculous law that is ever changing! Am I the only one who thought of this?

    • joepotato

      By focusing people’s attention on BS statements etc, the regime has distracted people to the point of not looking for the real scandal…. Here’s “one”… Was BHO a US citizen who ran a scam for his tuition at Occidental as a foreign student? …or did he usurp the office of the presidency because he is an Indonesian citizen? Do those questions “boggle your mind?”

    • legal eagle

      Obviously doesn’t take that much to “boggle” your mind…

      • Lc Goodfellow

        ” Brilliant comment….take you long to think about it? ”
        Isn’t that special ?

    • Tim Ned

      Gloria, I go through Amsterdam quite a bit in my business travels. The city is full of poets, musicians, and artists walking the streets wacked out on drugs. They can’t write, they can’t sing, and they can’t paint.

      You are not the only one boogled by this report. Accept for our Legal Eagle.

    • Vance P. Frickey

      And how the hell, if they fall ill, are they going to afford the huge deductibles under the “bronze” plans? Only a completely sadistic moral moron could rhapsodize about a future in which you can quit work, only to die because your medical care providers want their deductibles up front and you can’t afford to pay them!

  • rbblum

    A BETTER IDEA worth considering is to determine why there is not overwhelming support to impeach Obama.

    • legal eagle

      Because there are only a limited amount of morons who have attended college at A&M…..LOL

      • Jeff Webb

        >>Because there are only a limited amount of morons who have attended college at A&M…<<

        Congrats–your comment was accurate! The majority of people from Texas A&M indeed are quite intelligent; compared to UC Berkeley, an overwhelming majority.

        • legal eagle

          UC Berkley? Are you still living in the 60’s? LOL…You weren’t smart enough to get into Berkeley or any other school in the UC system…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Wait a minute… Did you seriously go to Berkley? That would explain SO many things. lol.

          • Jeff Webb

            >>Are you still living in the 60’s?<<

            Of course not. First I'd have to be a bitter, old, white, left-wing cultist. You know, longing for the good old days, probably in need of meds.

      • 4deuce

        I do hope one day you make that ego-bloated remark to an A&M alumni face-to-face. And when you do, I hope your unconsicous form, lying face down on some blacktop, gets posted on YouTube. A suitable title for that little video posting might be “A Dumba*s Gets Knocked Down on His”

    • joepotato

      There has already been a book written on the subject… and congress has been “gifted” with it…

  • Sam

    Liberalism almost always sounds great on paper. If reality was a fairy tail, It would also work in practice. Unfortunately this sort of idealism rarely works because most people aren’t ideal.

  • Buzzeroo

    Apparently Obama read the inscription over the front gate of Hitler’s abominable concentration camps—“Arbeit macht frei”-which translates to “Work makes you free” and since our freedom seems abhorrent to him- as witnessed by his unilaterally dictated overbearing rules and regulations, he doesn’t want us to work lest it might free us–hence his arrangement to encourage his adoring army of idiotic fools not to do so.

  • Gramps43

    To Mr. Zunkel, don’t worry about the older folks Obamacare will take care of it, remember “maybe we should just give mom a pain pill”. The 2030 generation won’t have a problem with the nonproductive older folks, there won’t be any.

    • Will Swoboda

      Hey Gramps, you might be righter than you think. I was in a city south of Odessia in Ukraine in 1976 and noticed there were not any “old folks” in this city. When I asked a Russian soldier about this he said,”This is a working city, if you can’t work, you can’t live here”. I asked where were the “old folks”, she just said, ” Out there”, wherever “Out there was”.

      • legal eagle

        What is your point? That you were in the Ukraine in 1976 and a Russian soldier told you some story? Were you drunk?…LOL

  • joepotato

    Bernie, in case it hasn’t registered yet… The “I” (imposter) POTUS has an agenda to collapse the economy (by design)… Ask yourself: if Obama aka Soetoro “wanted” to collapse the economy, would he do anything differently? The answer one must arrive at is (either) NO (or not-so-much)…. I become nauseated by this con man from Gawd knows where, with no verifiable bona fides, being called a (legitimate) president… I think the jury hasn’t convened to determine the pitiful truth…. Obama aka Soetoro is more like a mystery “cult of personality” that has never been fully vetted… but don’t take my word for it… Do your own research…. (commieblaster site or search ~ CCP Sheriffs Kit)

  • ted

    The problem is: no one seems to know Obama or the Democrats’ end plan. Is it just to get elected and reelected, or is there really a “social justice” to be had. And if so, where can it stop? (Answer: it can’t.)
    The only solution, if possible, is to win. Looks like Boehner is trying to, but the “conservative” Republicans are attacking. Why can’t the Republicans get their act TOGETHER? Together they might be able to win, separated, no. And if they don’t win, they — and all of us — lose. And that’s where America is: loser. The Left has: the education industry, the entertainment industry, the media, most rich guys including entrepreneurs like Bill Gates. The Right has We The People, or maybe 50% of them. The 50% loses and so does America.
    http:periodictablet.com

  • delble

    Great letters all. But we have a president who is literally hopeless! There is NO HOPE that he can admit he ever made a mistake,admit that his views and ideas might be skewed and wrong and that he ever admit that his only true interest is himself and not the country or the citizens who make it run.

    • joepotato

      I’m not convinced we have a (legitimate) president… Why would anyone assume his legitimacy when there is only a trail of lies and fraudulent documents to look at…? As for “his” ideas… try the Cloward/Piven “strategy” along with Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals and a refresher course on Marx… The question remains… who does 0bama aka Soetoro really work for?

      • delble

        Excellent points! He works for George Soros. They eventually want to rule the world and because of our pea brained protective media and congress, they are making great progress.

        • joepotato

          Soros is an upper mid-level player… Beyond him is the Hydra, the seven headed beast… Global in scope, and already well positioned in our govt long before aka 0bama came along…. [Bilderpukes, CFR, Tri-Lateral Commission, the IMF + the Federal Reserve, and our very own military industrial complex…]

  • Drew Page

    In a recent interview with Donald Trump, the Fox & Friends morning hosts asked Mr. Trump when he thought the era of dependence on government might come to an end. He said he didn’t believe it would happen until we as a country hit rock bottom. When there is no more money to be found to support those who will not support themselves, there will be social unrest (riots in the streets), high crime and law enforcement crackdowns. When there is no more money to give away, people will be forced to go out and earn it or chance running afoul of the law if they try to steal it. Right now, most people don’t want to accept that possibility. But it is a definite possibility.

    • legal eagle

      To the RWNJ crowd Donald Trump is a beacon of knowledge…did the rat on his head move when he spoke those words of economic wisdom?

      • Drew Page

        If cheap shots were an art form, you would be in the Louvre. Amazing you are more concerned with what’s on his head rather than what’s in it. Now go ahead and tell us how much smarter you are than The Donald. Then let’s compare his net worth with yours.

        • legal eagle

          It’s impossible to cheap shot Trump…or Fox News for putting him on air as a commentator…He’s a circus act

          • Jeff Webb

            I’m starting to see a pattern….sneering at those who provide jobs & generate revenue, while zealously defending those who destroy jobs and overspend revenue.

            Hm, Superman foil you plan destroy Earth, make you mood bad?

          • legal eagle

            I believe you need a “cliché enema”….You can defend morons like Trump all you want…makes you look like as big as fool as he does…

          • Jeff Webb

            Now now, don’t be a bitter little whiner. You’ll get no argument from me that he’s a first-rate doofus. You gonna try denying he provides jobs and generates revenue?

            He’s been screaming for ridicule for so long it’s not worth it to count, but it’s still Bizarro to even suggest he’s not qualified to speak on economic matters, especially compared to Obama.

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        To the LWNJ crowd, Obama is. I’ll take Donald saying looney things over Obama ruining our country any day of the week. And believe me, I have no use for Trump.

  • 1Shalom1

    AMEN !

  • Tim Ned

    Let me propose this; perhaps those of us who have chosen a path to better financial income should be tax free for the hours we work each week after forty hours?

  • lark2

    For the Democrats & Liberals of today … making policy is really all about buying VOTES and getting re-elected. The “war on women” is about buying the women’s vote … immigration “reform” is about getting the Hispanic vote AND signing up 15 million + more. Democrat voters …. SNAP & other giveaway programs = more voters … free abortions = more voters … I could go on but, you get the idea. DEMS really care about only about one thing RE-ELECTION. This used to be a party that really cared about the country but they have become part of the ME generation and they have lost their way. The only solution is to vote them out and allow them to go out in the real world and get a JOB.

  • Lee

    Bernie you hit the nail right on the head. BUT, do you really think POTUS will read the WSJ, much less his subordinates? We all know that answer.

    I know you know this administration does not care about the population. All they care about is getting their agenda going and, you already know, they’ll do anything to get that agenda implemented.

    No doubt if and when Obama’s agenda is in place we will run out of payers into the system. So, where is the POTUS going to get the funds to bankroll the population?

    I really feel your readers and bloggers are full of bologna. Why? Well if all the conservative bloggers on the various sites, including yours, were to vote then conservatives would win. Unfortunately they don’t all vote and as witnessed by the last election if they do vote they sure don’t vote the conservative agenda.

    • legal eagle

      Why would anyone pay to read the crap produced by Murdoch on Fox News or the WSJ? Next Bernie will be citing the geniuses at the New York Post…anything to keep those paychecks coming..

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        How would you know? You never watch Fox News, and you never read the WSJ or the New York Post.

        • Tim Ned

          Or the political opinions on this website.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            True.

        • legal eagle

          You’re boring…go back to playing golf…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Would I be more exciting if I routinely called everyone who disagreed with me a racist, and then presented that commentary as an example of my brilliance?

      • Tim Ned

        Well Fox is free. As for the WSJ idiots like me read it because we invest in our economy, concerned about overseas economies as it impacts our business, and it’s one of the few publications that relates to business owners like myself. Well worth the money.

        • legal eagle

          Great…Fox News is on cable which does cost money…maybe it’s free for you because your kids pay your cable bill?….LOL

          • Tim ned

            I wish. But maybe there’s a government program that would pay my cable bill?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Tim, I think that “liberating” you from having to pay your cable bill should be done to advance individual freedom.

          • Tim Ned

            Touché

  • legal eagle

    Maybe Bernie can retire now from being O’Reilly’s butt kisser and concentrate on HBO Sports?

    • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

      Maybe you can retire now from posting the same, unimaginative, trollish replies to every single column on this website that you don’t even read.

      • Drew Page

        John, this “legal eagle” enjoys getting a rise out of those who post here. Try to ignore his cheap shots and name calling. Alcoholism and drug abuse can be cured. Ignorance can be educated. But stupid is forever and I’m afraid this guy is just plain stupid.

        • legal eagle

          Drew,
          My most incoherent state is more coherent than most of the RWNJ old folks who comment on this site….LOL
          As I don’t know you I will not comment on the level of your genius..

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Yes. Such brilliance it takes to respond to everyone’s post by telling them they’re white, bitter, and stupid. You’re a true genius.

          • Jeff Webb

            >>As I don’t know you I will not comment on the level of your genius..<<

            Of course you won't. Your assessments of people you don't know are limited to claiming they hate black people.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Don’t forget them being in a cult as well. ;)

          • Drew Page

            Eagle, I used to get annoyed with your comments, but now I’m just amused. Every time I see one of your posts I’m reminded of a label Spiro Agnew applied to guys like you, “nattering nabobs of negativism”.

            You like being a gadfly. I like swatting flies.

      • legal eagle

        maybe you can get together with Drew Page and come up with a rational thought…..

    • Tim Ned

      I suppose now you’re going to tell us you watch HBO Sports?

      • legal eagle

        I love Real Sports on HBO….one of the best sports shows on TV…I enjoy Bernie’s work. Unlike Fox News, Bernie doesn’t have to kiss anyone’s butt on HBO in order to get a paycheck..

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          You don’t know anything of Bernie’s work for Fox News. You never watch it, so how can you critique it?

          • legal eagle

            Bernie doesn’t do any “work “for Fox News….His position is to kiss O’Reilly’s butt and appeal to the angry old white folks who buy the crap O’Reilly is selling..

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            I think it’s cute when you pretend to have ever actually watched Bernie on O’Reilly’s show. lol. Reading your thoughts on the topic is like listening to my kids insist to me that something ridiculous is true simply because they heard it from another kid on the playground at school.

            They get a pass for being kids. You don’t get one for having a hopeless man-crush on our president.

        • Tim Ned

          Ok, you like the guy when he reports on the reprehensible treatment of retired race horses and hate the guy when he provides his opinion in politics and news? You’re an enigma! But it does say a lot about liberalism today. No matter how good or charitable a conservative is, they are the enemy to be attacked and ridiculed because politically, they don’t agree with you.

          ie; the way Mitt Romney was attacked. (if you don’t see it I’m setting you up!)

          You liberals are one confusing bunch!

          • legal eagle

            I’m sure Mitt is a fine guy…He’s a member of the lucky sperm club…See how that well that worked when you voted for W. Bush?

          • legal eagle

            I like his reporting…..His opinions carry no more weight than yours…He’s getting well paid by Fox News to be part of an echo chamber/choir…..

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            How would you know? You’ve never watched Bernie on Fox News.

  • rgcomega

    If Jason Furman believes that reducing the workforce is an empowerment for people to make better choices, then here’s a suggestion for Jason: let’s reduce the government workforce by 50% so they can make better choices. Might discover there’s lots of poets in the ranks!

    • Drew Page

      What a great response. I couldn’t agree more. Let’s get Mr. Furman to propose a reduction in force of 50% of all federal employees. Let’s see how long before Mr. Obama “frees” him to pursue other interests.

  • gold7406

    You’re right Bernie, expect to see multiple “stoned artists” selling their wares
    at every stop light intersection in the country.
    It’s distressing to see dems change their posture every week to accommodate the whims of this administration. If they ever played back their responses and listened to themselves they would never believe they were capable of such garbage.

  • Brhurdle

    What we’re missing is the media integrity to condemn a disingenious statement like reducing jobs empowers the workforce. This was an obvious fabrication with a dishonest political motivation. Until the media is ready to denounce obvious attempts at obfuscation nothing will change.

  • paulbopko

    I read the letters to the editor first when I go to the Opinion pages. Short concise points are made. It is a fact that plain spoken and direct thoughts make more sense. Especially accurate in comparison to an Obama ramble, or a Harry Reed rant.

  • homony

    Reading letters in the paper will not turn anyone who doesn’t want to be turned from his wants.

  • RockyFjord

    Why should Americans have to subsidize the high cost of health plans and retirements for corporate employees through higher cost of products and services? Why don’t they work for minimum wage while sitting on their butts behind a computer in a cubicle? This is of course the hidden socialism that is always touted as such wonderful free market capitalism. Such hypocrisy, America is decadent, its themes are played out, nothing nascent to keep the West moving
    forward, future looks bleak indeed.

    • Barancy Peloma

      so, i guess a doctor should not make any more than a street sweeper?

      • Drew Page

        Actually a street sweeper with 12 kids needs more, so he should be paid more than the doctor with two kids.

    • Stimpy

      No comprendo, Senior.

    • Drew Page

      I believe you would be much more comfortable living in N. Korea. Why stay here and be exploited in this miserable capitalistic prison called the USA?

  • Jim Voorhees

    Bernie, sorry but your remarks violate the Majesty of the office – oh i forgot we took care of that on September 17, 1787.

    • Drew Page

      The majesty of the office. I still have a hard time believing that came out of Geraldo’s mouth. Maybe Geraldo would have been less offended if O’Reilly had groveled on his belly and kissed the feet of King Obama. “Beggin’ your pardon, your Majesty, but is it ok if I ask you what your favorite color is?”

  • JazzWolf

    My grandchildren know more about basic economics than anyone in the Owebama administration.

    • legal eagle

      Hopefully they haven’t learned economics from you…

  • Brian J. Perks

    Unfortunately Obama doesn’t like any ideas that are not his. His ego is too BIG!

  • veeper

    If that’s the case, then perhaps we can achieve complete societal nirvana by eliminating the incentive for anyone, anywhere to work productively. –

    Now you’re getting the whole communist/liberal/progressive “utopia”.

    The world as they want it to be……. not as it is……..

    the world always is the future……while people continue to suffer and hurt in the present…..

    It’s ALL bullsheite……..

    • Drew Page

      In the social nirvana’s like Russia and China, they tell you where you are going to work and that too frees you from having to wonder where you might find a job.

  • VermontAmerican

    BO, we were told, is a master at consuming White House briefings and reports, to the point that he barely spends 10 minutes a day reading them. Then, he turns around and expects us to believe he doesn’t have a clue as to what’s going on in his administration!

  • kayakbob

    yes. spot on. Makes me wonder if there are any grownups in the west wing.

    • veeper

      full of people trying out theories…

      using the american people as lab rats……..

    • Lamont_Madison

      There are not – they are just a bunch of corrupt people who don’t know anything, except that they think they have tapped into a way to enrich themselves at the expense of good americans.

    • legal eagle

      Ah for the good old days of the Bush Administration…..when the grownups like Dick Cheney just lied us into wars…

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        … says the guy who lies in practically every comment he posts in this website.

      • Jeff Webb

        Remember: legally, there is no such thing as a lie. lol

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          Was that some of legal eagle’s legal-speak? lol

          • Jeff Webb

            Apparently so. Check his Disqus–you might be amused (once the aspirin kicks in).

        • Drew Page

          It all depends on what the definition of “is” is. Right?

  • Blakely1

    IMO our President from a dysfunctional family wants to reduce the USA
    from #1 to a point where we have little value on the world stage.
    Look at the damage that he did to our reputation with his desire to
    strike Syria .And why would a peacenik like him even think of such a thing?
    I sometimes think that he is someone’s puppet.

    • Drew Page

      I read somewhere recently that Putin gave an analogy saying that trying to negotiate with Obama was like trying to play chess with a pigeon. “The pigeon flaps his wings, knocks over all the pieces, craps on the board and then struts around acting like he just won the game.” I think Putin has described Obama perfectly.

  • VermontAmerican

    Bernie, it doesn’t even look good on paper!

  • Dennis

    I have long thought that Obama’s definition of transforming America is to turn us into a society in which if you want to work, you can but, if you don’t want to, then you shouldn’t have to. We can just take from those who work and give to those who don’t. All, of course, in the interest of ‘social justice’ and ‘fairness’. Will this be a paradise or what? And, don’t forget to keep voting for Dems because they are the ones who care. They are the compassionate ones. They are the ones looking out for the little guy.

    • Stimpy

      Now I see. What young person could oppose this view of the future? Everyone knows that Republicans are just meanies. Where’s legal seagull to back me up?

  • ML NJ

    I don’t think it’s so much that he believes in socialism as that he is trying to rip out all of the wires that made this country great and condemn it to the ash-heap of history.

    • Drew Page

      I agree, but what is he trying to get even with the U.S. for doing?

  • jazzdrums

    as a kid my fatherr said to me the difference between the democrats and the republicans is simple..the republicans want to throw money to their friends and the democrats want to throw money to everyone.

    • Blakely1

      Hardly, the Republicans do not want to throw money, they want to
      strategically place it to work
      for us, not against us.

      • legal eagle

        Republicans like to put money at work for their corporate masters…

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          Apparently, you haven’t noticed that the “corporate masters” are the only ones thriving in Obama’s economy.

        • Jeff Webb

          Like those GOP scumbags George Kaiser and George Soros, right?

      • brent kaufman

        That may be the conservative ideal, but the Republicans are politicians just like the Democrats, and veer away from the conservative ideal. Don’t confuse the ideal with the party. They aren’t the same.

    • Jeff Webb

      I heard something like that before. It seems to have a newer wrinkle: Republicans also like to throw money at people who’ll never want to be their friends.

      (Small tangent: at first glance I thought your picture was of a set of Trixons lol. I’m a Tama guy myself.)

      • jazzdrums

        no it is a Yamaha Hip Gig set…best set for travel to small venue..pack into one unit plus cymball bag… sticks i use are Ayotte…best there are…

        • Jeff Webb

          Haven’t tried ‘em. Switched from Regal to Vater last year. The way I sweat, finish has to be just so.

  • Judy M

    as usual, Bernie is spot-on………

  • Deborah G

    It isn’t evedicence of anything except lazy people’s big mouths and a MORON for a President who has ZERO problem living the High Life and spending his subjects money. Hey OBAMA? Even the Queen of England had to cut her “ROYAL” budget. You are that good.

  • Jarob54

    What this administration fails to understand, a nation of 350 million, is not Belgium, Sweden,or any socialist European nation of 30 million. As this nations debt grows and entitlements increase it’s a matter of time this government defaults on its debts and the freebees come to a halt. When that happens, what then? Chaos, that’s what.

  • Ksp48

    The math on social security is dismal. Soon it will be divorced form any reality whatsoever.

    • JMax

      This is not true. Without changes Social Security will pay full benefits through about 2032 of 2033. If nothing is done to increase revenues, SS will still pay 75% of expected benefits indefinitely. If the income cap is increased SS will be able to pay 100% of benefits indefinitely. The math can be found in the report of the Social Security Trustees Report.

      • legal eagle

        Are you trying to talk reality to the RWNJ’s on this website? If you are you’re crazier than they are….LOL

        • Jeff Webb

          Now you’re trying to shut up one of your own, too? Wow, just like a bitter old white left-wing cultist who longs for the good old days. You need meds.

          • legal eagle

            Find someone new to obsess about….I told you before that obviously you don’t comprehend sarcasm…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            “Find someone new to obsess about” – advice you should give yourself when it comes to Bernie, don’t you think? Or would that go against the rules of your cult?

          • Jeff Webb

            >>Or would that go against the rules of your cult?<<

            Must be the Bitter Old White cult.

          • legal eagle

            Again Mr. Simpleton…it’s called sarcasm…

          • Jeff Webb

            Hey, no need to be bitter! Take your meds. Don’t forget the ones prescribed for your old age and whiteness.

        • JMax

          It is my mission to educate the educationless.

          • Lc Goodfellow

            Nothing like an old fool lost in space.

            A social state by Saul Alinsky:
            Obama and Hillary are followers of these thoughts and action;

            There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.
            1) Healthcare – Control healthcare and you control the people
            2) Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
            3) Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
            4) Gun Control – Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.
            5) Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income)
            6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to – take control of what children learn in school.
            7) Religion – Remove the belief in God from the Government and schools
            8) Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

            It’s in writing, in RULES FOR RADICALS Alinsky’s books.
            You may already be there.

          • JMax

            That’s interesting but hardly applicable to either of them.

            1) ACA takes some control away from the insurance companies and gives it to the consumers

            2) Neither is making the slightest effort to increase the poverty level; the opposite is true
            3) The debt to GDP is far below post WWII levels and therefore is historically sustainable. Obama has rapidly decreased the deficit
            4) Obama has achieved (or even attempted) next to nothing as far as gun control
            5) Obama has done little if anything in regards to welfare, which is state based
            6) Just…bulls**t
            7) Obama has done nothing in this area. Neither has ANYONE else for that matter. Fantasy
            8) There is no class warfare. There is economic warfare perhaps. Nobody hates the wealthy. They hate the unfair advantages and misuse that wealth often brings.

            You do know, don’t you, that Alinsky didn’t write his rules for only the left? Radicals exist left, right, and center. Some of those rules are used on the right.

          • Jeff Webb

            1) OC gives the govt more control over consumers, insurance companies, health care providers, and businesses. It’s one thing to like the law, but you’re denying reality.
            2) They ARE increasing the poverty level, regardless of what their efforts are.
            3) A rapid decrease in the deficit is smoke & mirrors after a massive spending orgy. And even by Obama’s own standard, he’s an irresponsible spendthrift.
            4) “Next to nothing” is subjective, and misses the point anyway. Socialism is achieved through gradual imposition of its many facets.
            5) Illegally relaxing work requirements.
            6) Maybe you don’t know, if you did I’m positive you wouldn’t object. Libs push for more govt involvement in schools, control the unions in bed with govt, and have the most influence in public schools.
            7) No argument re: Obama. Otherwise, it’s hardly fantasy. Religious students’ freedom of expression being stifled in public students is well-documented.
            8) Whether you call it class warfare or economic warfare, Lc reference to “divide the people…” couldn’t be more applicable. Obama’s efforts to pit the masses against the rich have been constant throughout his presidency.

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          … says the guy who thinks we can pay for the welfare state with unicorn tears.

      • Ksp48

        But there is no actual money there. It all comes from future revenues.

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          Shhhh. You’ll wake him up from his fantasy.

        • JMax

          That is not true. There is over $2 Trillion dollars in the SS Trust Fund today.

          Are you aware of ANY pension fund, private or public (other than the US Postal Service) which does not rely on current and future revenues to pay out benefits?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            I think you should click your ruby slippers together and keep telling yourself there’s no problem, JMax. Not that it will wake you up from Oz.

          • JMax

            I note that you have provided no argument, evidence, or source to refute what I’ve posted. Why is that?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            I’m referring to the notion that our archaic social security system running out of money – even 20 years down the road – isn’t a problem – a problem that liberals refuse to fix and make sustainable for people younger than you.

          • JMax

            The Social Security System, as I stated above, will NEVER run out of money. Obama, whom I assume you believe to be a liberal, has entertained introducing “chained CPI” to reduce the rate of inflation growth of benefits. Real liberals oppose that.

            Even so, liberals are perfectly willing to fix the potential problem of reduced benefits in the simplest and most logical way by raising or eliminating the cap on payroll taxes. This is something that even St. Reagan did in the 1980s, bless his liberal heart.

          • legal eagle

            You’re attempt to be factual about the SS Trust fund is beyond the comprehension of people like John Daly…He thinks the assets only exist when Republicans are in the WH….you won’t change his mind because facts, to him, are irrelevant…

  • RickonhisHarleyJohnson

    It is simply more evidence of a culture in decline. I know too many otherwise conservative people, who want the government to fix things they perceive as unjust. They simply don’t understand the consequences of government interference. Take Obamacare; most voters wanted some version of govt. healthcare because they didn’t like the cost of healthcare. Now, we’re stuck with this mess. And believe me, a fix by Congress will only be a fix, not a repeal.

  • Jen

    What about the Republicans who continue to provide the blank check for all of these Liberal programs?

    • veeper

      what about them?

      • Jen

        They are partly responsible for the financial destruction happening to our country. They lay down and let this President spend trillions of dollars. They lay down and do nothing about Obamacare. Tired of both parties!

        • Stimpy

          Political reality: if the Republicans try to restrain government spending the Democrats and the media portray the Republicans as heartless meanies. The Republicans then lose more seats in Congress. I understand your frustration with politics. There appears not to be any good outcome. Our only hope is that the Senate can be tipped Republican to at least restrain the Emperor.

          • legal eagle

            There is a good outcome for people like yourself….take an Ambien with a glass of wine…maybe then you’ll wake up, after Hillary is elected in 2016, and continue your whining….

        • veeper

          so, what about them?

  • Seattle Sam

    The President believes the American Dream means not having to work if you don’t want to. There have been many who have predicted that we will someday be forced to “warehouse” half the population, but Obama sees this as a goal profoundly to be wished.

    • Stimpy

      The kinds of jobs that could provide gainful employment for dumb people (mostly democrats) are being shipped overseas or disappearing to automation. Maybe Obama is a visionary who sees this coming. Hey, I’m just kidding. He can’t slap his @$$ with both hands.

  • Ksp48

    At some point my grandchildren’s generation will tell the rest of us to get off their backs.

    • veeper

      they will marvel at their cowardly and stupid great grandparents and grandparents…..

      then their marveling will turn to hatred and disgust….

  • beniyyar

    I despair of Barack Obama learning anything. Obama knows he is the smartest guy in the room and is convinced he already knows everything worth knowing.

    • Ksp48

      It is a very very small room, with only a seat and a hole.

    • veeper

      obama has always surrounded himself with people that will tell him how intelligent he is…..

      • Jeff Webb

        >>obama has always surrounded himself with people that will tell him how intelligent he is…..<<

        …as defined by himself and/or Chris Matthews.

  • JMax

    There is an apparent assumption here that everyone who will work fewer or no hours will do so because of an insurance subsidy and not because someone in the household can get insurance that they couldn’t before.

    How does one live (you know eat, pay for housing, clothing, and transportation, etc.) on a health care insurance subsidy?

    • Jeff Webb

      Maybe, maybe not, but the mere idea that it should be called a GOOD thing people’s hours are being reduced? Insane.

      Remember the warnings that Obamacare would result in businesses scaling back on staffing & hours to ease the financial strain it caused? The law’s defenders said that wouldn’t happen. Now rather than admit they were wrong, they tout its benefits. Any reasonable person should see the utter shamelessness in that.

      It’s like when Obama’s “you can keep…” lies came back to bite him. When enough people lost what they were told they wouldn’t, he and others said that the plans they had were substandard. Democrats’ first instinct when faced with people unhappy about being misled was to patronize, not apologize.

      You’ll never admit it, but I’ll keep reminding you: Obamacare causes far more problems than it solves, including the ones it was supposed to solve. It’s an indefensible disgrace.

      • JMax

        There is nothing here about hours being reduced. It is about people choosing to reduce their hours for a number of reasons. Nothing “insane” about that.

        This has nothing to do with businesses scaling back hours. This is about workers voluntarily choosing to work fewer hours. Any reasonable person would understand this. There is also no evidence that businesses are scaling back hours on a large scale due to ACA.

        There is no way to prove or quantify that ACA causes more problems than it solves. Only the conjecture of those who pontificate against it. It’s been in force for 43 days. How do you know that it will not solve problems that it is supposed to solve? For many people it already has. It’s a godsend for them.

        • Jeff Webb

          Forgive me, I forgot the context of the CBO’s figure. My point is an unrelated topic.

          Millions of people are unhappy they were lied to and lost the plans they liked; that number will markedly increase, especially after the employer mandate takes effect. Give a damn about them? 20-30 million people are projected to remain uninsured even with OC the law of the land. Think it’s all worth it?

          • JMax

            I absolutely think it’s worth it. The people who are most affected by Obamacare are those in the individual market. The majority of those are benefitting. A few apparently are not.

            The only reason why so many will remain uninsured is that many GOP-controlled states have refused to expand Medicaid which stubborness deprives millions of citizens health insurance they otherwise would get. A few Republican states are beginning to see the light and reversing course.

          • Jeff Webb

            You actually still think you can get away with blaming Republicans for problems caused by Obamacare.
            Yeah, pay no attention to the millions of people whose more affordable option is to pay the penalty tax, some of whose plans were dropped because of OC.

            Blaming alert people who choose to avoid a terrible law is easier than admitting the law is terrible, but it’s classic denial.

          • JMax

            The FACT that over half of the states (all GOP-controlled) have refused to insure their citizens who qualify for expanded Medicaid is NOT a problem caused by ACA. It is a problem caused by Republicans more concerned about politics than the health and well-being of their own citizens:

            http://www.theatlanticcities.com/jobs-and-economy/2014/02/we-finally-have-metro-level-numbers-states-refused-medicaid-expansion-and-theyre-really-bad/8354/

            370k Americans in Dallas/Ft Worth uninsured because of GOP.
            330k Americans in Miami/Ft. Lauderdale uninsured because of GOP.
            327k Americans in greater Houston uninsured because of GOP.

            And the list goes on.

            I checked on the exchange for Texas. A 30 year old in Texas making $50,000 can get full coverage for about $220 a month, or about 5% of income. Annual checkups and all preventative care is free. Over and above that the deductible is $6,100 a year. Maximum out of pocket is $6,350. So there you have basically catastrophic insurance, PLUS regular visits and preventative care free, with no annual or lifetime benefit caps, no recisions, and no denial for preexisting conditions. Why would someone avoid that? Spite?

          • Jeff Webb

            FACT: millions of people opt to pay the penalty tax, and the # will only go up. That has nothing to do with the GOP, yet you tried to put the blame squarely on their shoulders. Nice try, won’t fly.

            As for Medicaid, you seem to have concluded there is no justification whatsoever to not expand it. Try opening your mind like liberals claim they do, and consider there could be a legitimate reason. Are you aware that being under the fed’s thumb carries long term costs, both political and financial? Have you checked the polls & votes in the red states and determined that the governors have gone against their constituents’ wishes by not expanding Medicaid?

            Not that liberals would give them credit where credit is due, but do you actually think conservative governors would give their opponents this kind of ammunition without mitigating factors?

          • sjangers

            Pmfji, but you make a very valid point about the constraints the Medicaid program puts on states that participate, Jeff. During the middle of the last decade my liberal state accepted a voluntary limitation on the amount of money we might request from the feds for our Medicaid program each year in exchange for their agreement to allow us more flexibility in how we used the money- rigid one-size-fits-all federal requirements aren’t always particularly efficient in small, rural states- and some relaxation of onerous reporting requirements. I’m not sure how it played out, as I moved from my job in a community mental health organization to a related field, but I think it speaks volumes about the waste and inefficiency of the federal requirements placed on states in exchange for those Medicaid dollars.

          • JMax

            FACT: Your “fact” is pure bulls**t because not one person has opted to pay the penalty tax, so if 1 person eventually does, that number will only go up (from zero).

            The date to comply with the mandate is March 31st so not one single person has paid the penalty or been charged the penalty and they won’t be until April of 2015. Since it is NOT known how many people are even considering to opt out IN THE FUTURE, it cannot possibly be “fact” that millions will. Nice try, won’t fly.

            There “could” be a legitimate reason? Could be but there isn’t. Feds pick up 100% of the cost for the first three years and 90% thereafter. Extra cost to states is only 2.8% more than without expansion. BUT most of that will be mitigated by savings to the states of current expenses they incurr for the uninsured.

            http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3801

            As far as “polls” I haven’t seen any polls on Medicaid expansion, have you? But I did link you to the page which shows the “polls” of the millions of people left uninsured due to GOP obstruction. AZ governor Jan Brewer has seen the light, and a few others are beginning to have second thoughts about keeping their constituents uninsured.

            As to your last paragraph, yes.

  • TBuzzard

    Those of us who are still employed must always remember to work hard as there are so many people depending on us. When you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on Paul.

    • Ksp48

      I am 66 (haven’r signed up for medicare or social security) and would like to keep working for at least another 3-4 years. On the other hand, as fed tax rates go up (and my state increased income tax rates by 67% recently), leisure time is more and more valuable and less and less costly. So, do I work this Saturday or play with the grandkids? Multiply me by a million and it affects the economy, social security etc.

      • USMC69

        omg, you made a big mistake. If you didn’t sign up for medicare at 65, you get punished by about a 15% increase in medicare premium for each year. That was a BIG MISTAKE. The government always gets its money. The longer you wait to pay it, the more they get.

        • sjangers

          That may not be strictly accurate, USMC69. If Ksp48 is working and is covered by medical insurance through employer or union, enrollment in Medicare at age sixty-five isn’t necessary. There is no financial penalty then for later enrollment in Medicare Part B as long as application is made within eight months of the date the worker’s employment and medical coverage lapsed. Workers also have two months from the end of existing coverage to enroll in Part D without penalty.

          Ksp48, if you haven’t already done so, I’d encourage you to contact your local SSA office to discuss your situation with a representative (they may refer you to another source). While I’m reasonably certain of my information, there’s nothing like getting it directly from someone whose job is to help people navigate the sometimes-tricky waters of Title XVIII and related benefits.

  • sjangers

    The has become s.o.p. with the Obama propaganda machine. If bad news comes along, just slap a little lipstick on the pig and hope no one notices how ugly it is- or how bizarre your choice in cosmetics- before something new comes along to distract them. They appear to have figured out how to operate in our world of fast-paced communication and short attention spans: If you can’t do your job competently, all you have to do is make sure nobody notices the problem long enough to start thinking about solutions.

  • Brian Fr Langley

    Reading the news these days, is like re-reading the novel “Atlas shrugged”. A place where productive work is equated with greed, and where indolence is seen as charitable. That politicians like Pelosi could even be elected in America, is an indictment on how much the Nation has already embraced a stultifying mediocrity. Capitalism (so vilified theses days) is actually only a natural extension of the transcendent right (found in the Judeo-Christian ethic) to own private property. (thou shall covet, thou shall not steal). One who does not own the fruits (the production) of ones labor, is made a slave. That it seems, is fast becoming the new “American way”

    • http://www.pixiespinktasticproofreading.com Pixie

      Exactly what I’ve been thinking lately. Sometimes I feel like I’m in Hank Reardon’s living room listening to his wife and brother chatter.

    • Ksp48

      I have friends in San Francisco who not only voted for Pelosi but think she is wonderful. One cheats on his taxes and his wife gets a NGO pension (over $100,000) per year. They think I’m a Neanderthal.

      • USMC69

        Do you know that the IRS will pay you 10% of funds recovered from a tax cheat that you turn in?

  • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

    Apparently, being responsible for the worst economic recovery since the Great Depression. isn’t “personal” enough for Obama cultists.

  • wildjew

    I don’t need to provide specifics. What Obama is doing to this country has affected me personally. Virtually everything. Get in touch with your Jewishness. Read the Torah. Read the Jewish Bible; the Tanakh. Read.

  • JPindiorski

    Beagle, go do something that will be beneficial to the world….get lost!!!

  • legal eagle

    It’s obvious you know little about economics or comedy…You must have had a sheltered upbringing…..LOL

  • wildjew

    Exactly!

  • legal eagle

    Not according to the stock market…

  • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

    I’m not the one who doubled our national debt, gave us the lowest labor-force participation rate since the 1970s, gave us the slowest economic recovery since the Great Depression, and gave us an income disparity gap four times larger than the previous administration.

    The man you defend endlessly did.

  • JPindiorski

    It’s obvious you know little about everything but keep commenting because it makes you look foolish and is always good for a laugh.

  • legal eagle

    You can’t provide specifics for your irrational rants because you have none….How sad to hear so much hate and paranoia…Maybe you should consider changing your name to “Meshugenajew”?

  • wildjew

    Debka wrote: “US Secretary of State John Kerry freely used scare tactics, such as a fresh Palestinian “intifada,’ international boycotts and isolation, to cow Israel into signing on the dotted line when the framework accord he has drawn up is submitted to Israel and the Palestinian Authority…”

    I am guessing you agree with Obama’s use of threats to get Israel to capitulate to murderous terrorists. Am I wrong?

  • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

    Maybe you should consider changing your name to Jay Carney.

  • legal eagle

    Who is the source of the quote? Is it a right wing Israeli politician with an agenda?

  • wildjew

    You don’t read Israeli news sites? This has been going on for weeks and months. Obama is seen by many as the most anti-Israel president in American history.

    Here:

    “Earlier this week columnist Jeffrey Goldberg criticized Kerry for warning Israel about “boycotts and other kinds of things” if the peace talks fail. Goldberg accused Kerry of “terrifying Israelis”—but added: “and terrified Israelis are not the sort of people who will make dangerous compromises for peace.”

    But that, in turn, raises the question: should one ever make “dangerous compromises for peace”? If peace is supposed to be in the offing, the prize you get in return, why should the compromises be dangerous in the first place?

    Goldberg’s phrase is actually a mantra—that is, a substitute for thought—going back decades. Googling “Israel take risks for peace” yields 137 million results….

    read it: http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/davidhornik/friends-tell-israel-take-risks-endanger-yourself/

  • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

    >>You don’t read Israeli news sites?

    He doesn’t read ANY news sites, wildjew.

  • Vance P. Frickey

    Makes absolutely no sense to terrify a nation with between 200-400 nuclear weapons, most of which would work better than ours (since the Israeli nuclear physics community has traded notes not just with Los Alamos and Livermore, but the French weapons design community, and may well be responsible for some of its designs).

  • wildjew

    He goes by “legal eagle.” You are telling me an attorney doesn’t read news sites?

  • JPindiorski

    But he looks at the pretty pictures.

  • JPindiorski

    LOL, the sound of silence…….

  • JPindiorski

    WJ, an attorney? Come on…LOL.

  • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

    Oh, he might read the horoscopes or something, but I’ve been astonished by how little he knows about world events and news in general. It’s as if he was in a time capsule until about two years ago.

  • wildjew

    He’s not? Why does he go by “legal eagle?” That means lawyer.

  • legal eagle

    An attorney who could buy and sell you ten times over…

  • legal eagle

    As opposed to you who masturbates to pictures of Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin?

  • JPindiorski

    Yep, now I know for sure where his proclivities lie…LOL. Pretty pretty pictures of Nancy Pelosi, Babs Mikulski, Sheila Jackson Lee, Maxine Waters, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, – typical liberals babes, one and all. :)

  • legal eagle

    Mind your business Mr. Moron…

  • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

    How dare someone reply to one of your comments in a public forum! How dare they!

  • JPindiorski

    Ohhh, another big legal term…LOL

  • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

    Big Business is thriving under Obama because they have the means to do what it takes to survive this economy: http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/reality-inequality-campaign/

    It’s everyone else whose having a hell of a time – you know, the people who Obama claims to be fighting for. lol.

  • chas615

    What did the market do when the Fed hinted that it was going to lower the rate of money printing? And then what happened when the fed said it would continue? The market is all smoke and mirrors, manipulated by money printing. How long can the fed print money without the dollar collapsing? What will happen to the market then? And your ‘fortune’?

  • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

    If anyone else on this website would have typed that, you would have accused them of wanting to reinstate slavery.

  • JPindiorski

    Muhahaaaa, Wake up…you’re dreaming again. Either that or take your meds.

  • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

    No one really knows. Personally, I can totally picture him as a “Better call Saul” kind of guy. His recent comment, “There’s no such thing as a lie” pretty much falls in line with that. lol.

  • legal eagle

    You’re misquoting me as usual… I said that “lie’ is not a legal term…I realize that accuracy is not really relevant to you, or your fellow cult members but perhaps to you can control your need to misquote me..

  • legal eagle

    Millions of Americans own stocks and homes and their assets have increased substantially since 2008….What does that have to do with “big business” ?

  • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

    What does the stock market have to do with big business? Are you serious?

  • Tim Ned

    You have no idea what you are talking about. What kind of math are you using? Americans lost everything in 2008. Our assets in property (homes) is sixty percent. The stock market is about the same as 2008. Nearly six years later break even. Can you provide some facts to your idiotic statements. Retirement funds have been stagnant for the past six year. Unless you are a scumbag who bought property from the poor people who lost their homes from the crash, you have made nothing!

  • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

    Copy and paste your exact quote here, along with the comment you were replying to, so we can all have a good laugh.

  • legal eagle

    Would you rather had me say “Individual stock market investors increase in equity since 2008″? Is that enough clarification for your simple mind?

  • legal eagle

    You’re a dick…

  • legal eagle

    This is the quote……………………………………………..
    “Legally there is no such thing as “lying”….get a clue..”

  • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

    lol. Come on, post it. If you’re stand by your comment, there shouldn’t be a reason for you to get so fussy.

  • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

    Which companies are returning on individual investments? Mom and pop shops?

  • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

    And it was in response to…

  • Sheila Warner

    Especially in light of the fact that LE does the same to others all of the time.

  • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

    Yep, and from an admin standpoint, it’s pretty remarkable to read all of his posts in succession. All the guy does is take personal swipes at every commenter that says something negative about President Obama… and then when someone swipes back, he whines about it incessantly.

  • legal eagle

    You are correct… I thought it read “Legally” not “Legal”…I should use you, as I do my paralegal, to act as my editor…LOL….and you’re still a dick

  • Jeff Webb

    No, JP, don’t! LE mustn’t leave–he helps a great deal by posting here.

    I get endless amusement and up-close peeks into the warped liberal psyche thanks to his visits. Even better, the process of writing humor columns is easier with another party providing laughs, even if many of his comments are the equivalent of a pantsing and seltzer spray.

  • legal eagle

    Didn’t all the gains in personal wealth, since 2009, occur under the Obama Administration? If you’re going to blame the Administration for all your financial woes shouldn’t it get some credit for your financial gains?
    How can retirement funds be stagnant if one is adding more each year, as most workers do? The stock market has doubled since 2009, home prices in Southern California are booming….what am I misstating?

  • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

    I learned it by watching you.

  • legal eagle

    Here’s what will happen….I will have a lot more money than you…..LOL

  • chas615

    Don’t be so sure of that snarky boy. Because I don’t brag about my assets doesn’t mean I don’t have any. Bottom line is even if you have twice what I do now when it happens we will both be screwed. LOL

  • Integrity

    I will be more than glad to provide you with the address where you can send your money to in the unlikely event that you wish to donate to our Government. Our current POTUS would greatly appreciate it. QED

  • legal eagle

    When “it” happens I will have made a lot of money…..You will be staring at Fox News and eating your TV dinner at the rest home…

  • chas615

    You are full of s h i t! Legal eagle? Like you are supposed to be a lawyer? Maybe your mother is. I know people who talk about all their money usually have none. I bet you live in the basement, have a ton of student loans, and think you’re brilliant because you paid for an education that’s really no better than a HS education 30 years ago. Now slap that Papa John’s sign on the top of your Kia and get to work. You are a joke!

  • legal eagle

    You sound jealous….My mother is gone so leave her out of it….

  • Tim Ned

    Since 2008 the stock market has recovered. I was fortunate I could buy at the bottom. I have no complaints from my side. Retirement funds have come back to 2008. Many Americans stayed in their homes even though they lost money. Don’t brag about this economy. There were many losers in the middle class and there still are.

  • Vance P. Frickey

    You’re misstating the proximate responsibility for the recovery as being due to any action of Barack Obama. Even the stimulus was probably unnecessary, because the funding for truly necessary projects would have been generated at the local or state levels. It was a giveaway program ridden with waste and fraud beyond anything in the Bush Administration, and any benefits due from it would have occurred after the market corrected upward, anyway.

    It’s disingenuous for you to claim credit for a cyclic economic recovery for Obama; the stock market sinks and rises as the perceived and actual value of securities changes. Or did you forget Alan Greenspan’s explanation of the tech stocks crash as “irrational exuberance” among investors?

    What’s happening now, though, IS Obama’s fault – no one else imposed swingeing taxes on the provision of healthcare and on the provision of healthcare insurance by American businesses. A simple change to the income tax code (the one in the GOP’s proposed healthcare plan) would have raised taxes in a much less destructive manner, simply by treating the employer’s share of healthcare premiums as taxable income. It would have hurt workers, but nowhere NEARLY as bad as this amateurish kluge of a health care plan we got from your man.

  • Jeff Webb

    >>Didn’t all the gains in personal wealth, since 2009, occur under the Obama Administration? If you’re going to blame the Administration for all your financial woes shouldn’t it get some credit for your financial
    gains?<<

    Depends. Do you acknowledge BO's failings? Do you show any objectivity on subjects like Obamacare, Benghazi, or discrimination against conservative groups? No, you do everything you can to distract from the point. It doesn't matter how logical or accurate we are in our criticisms of BO, all you do is spew insulting cliches, deny obvious scandals, and bring up President Bush.

    For a guy who demands a break from others, you sure live by some tiny, wimpy standards.

  • legal eagle

    I’m stating a fact…..I rest my case…

  • Vance P. Frickey

    You sure couldn’t provide a better example of a discredited viewpoint, bereft of any awareness of current events.

  • legal eagle

    My point was that if people, like yourself, are going to blame Obama for everything that’s wrong economically then a rational person would say that he should get credit for what has gone right…
    Your argument is well stated politically, not economically.
    As far as your predictive powers go, it would appear you are a full fledged member of the “doom and gloom” club, which simply means that you are older and a Republican.

  • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

    Can you all imagine legal eagle on the Titanic? Playing his violin away while insisting to everyone jumping overboard that they’re members of the “doom and gloom” club? lol.

  • Sheila Warner

    I agree with your point (I know, right?) about the President who is in office getting credit for both the good and the bad. It makes no sense to lay all of the blame for the bad on an administration, then refuse to give credit for any good. I am the first person to criticize President GW Bush for the bungled Iraq war and the scourge of the NSA’s spying. And, I voted for him.

    In spite of my misgivings about the future health of the economy, with the Pepto week we had two weeks ago not making me very optimistic at all, I am no gloom and doom independent. It does no good to get bogged down into negativity and fear.

    I vehemently disagree with the veracity of Obamacare, for example, but I am not rooting for it to fail. I’d love to see both sides sit down and come up with a way to fix it. It’s a good thing not to have to depend on one’s employer for healthcare coverage. I’ve said this ad nauseum: a person ought to be able to contact a local agent, as is now done for auto insurance, and get quotes and a flexible policy.

    The truly bad thing about Obamacare is its one size fits all model. If real flexibility and competition between insurance companies takes place, I believe at that point we can expect to see prices fall.

    I have also had severe reservations about the Federal Reserve’s pumping of money into the big banks. That policy has kept interest rates low for savers. The flip side, of course, is that Wall Street falls whenever the idea of the ending of QE seems near. I don’t know if we are in a place where we can avoid real inflation, the kind that nearly killed us during the Carter administration. Time will tell.

  • legal eagle

    The difference is that you would have never gotten on the Titanic because it might sink…..You’re so pessimistic about the future that you can’t enjoy the present…

  • legal eagle

    I would have been passing out my card so I could get passengers to sign up for the class action suit against the ship owner…LOL

  • Sheila Warner

    When I hear the phrase “doom and gloom”, I picture negativity that blinds one to any optimism or hope. If there is no hope, no optimism, then it can become self defeating. No matter how bad things get, it’s important to have at least some hope so that when a way appears that will improve things, one can see it and pursue it. I’ve seen people so bogged down with doom and gloom that they miss opportunities for improvement at all, or who ignore wise counsel. Some people want things to be bad all of the time. Extremes are not usually sensible, whether left or right, sunny or gloomy. Reality lives in the middle. Take a stand but don’t shut yourself off to other possibilities just because you’ve never heard of them before.

  • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

    Was that supposed to be a comeback? lol. Completely nonsensical.

  • legal eagle

    What are your reservations about Fed Reserve policy? The stock market is at new highs, the tech business is booming, housing prices are increasing and the U.S. economy is the best in the world.
    The US healthcare system needed to be fixed. Whether the cure is worse than the disease remains to be seen but I agree with you, time will tell.

  • legal eagle

    I believe my response to your “Titanic” statement is right on the mark…

  • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

    I’m sure you do. Shooting blanks as usual.

  • legal eagle

    You should discuss “shooting blanks” with your wife…not me..

  • Sheila Warner

    It’s the QE portion that concerns me about the Fed. Two weeks ago the Dow lost 6% of its value. Of course, now it has rebounded, but those losses demonstrate to me that there is an underlying problem with the Dow’s value. As I understand it, and I am the world’s worst person when it comes to numbers, the QE was buying up debt so that the banks could recover from their own stupidity of buying toxic assets. Whether it was TARP (which I opposed) or via the Fed (which is basically printing more money) I worry about the long term consequence for the dollar. That “correction” a couple of weeks ago was real money.

    Tech business booms largely because of private investment. I want it to boom. But what I want overall is for more people to be in the work force. That generates taxpayers, which will provide the revenue our nation needs.

    Don’t get me started on health insurance companies. I hate them. I was for single payer (cue the outrage from other on this forum). Since that will likely never happen, we’re stuck with them. As I said, the consumer should have more flexibility when choosing health plans. And, I don’t think employer based health coverage should be the norm. Lots of people work jobs without it.

    I hope that clarifies. Even LE is correct some of the time, and I suppose sheils0405 is, too.

  • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

    I’d have to send our kids out of the room first.

  • legal eagle

    They won’t hear anything they haven’t heard in school….LOL

  • legal eagle

    Markets go up and down as does the dollar. The Fed is attempting to stimulate bank lending as is the EU. The number people in the workforce will continue to go down because the U.S. population has gotten older hence more people are retiring and the U.S. birthrate has been declining for the past 30 years…

  • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

    Not even sure what you’re talking about now.

  • legal eagle

    I’m talking economics and you want to change the subject to “obvious” political scandals….In your ideological world, being logical equals demanding a break? What break have I demanded other than asking someone to think rationally?

  • Sheila Warner

    But lending has not improved. Small businesses are having to meet the stricter standards even with local banks, because of stringent rules on borrowing. And, my understanding is that the workforce participation is still not as high as it should be, not keeping up with the birthrate, which I know is down. Who wants kids in these uncertain economic times? I haven’t seen anywhere that the numbers of retirees has drastically increased recently. It is true that baby boomers such as myself will eventually swamp Social Security and Medicare. All the more reason for more jobs here in the US. And, yes, the markets do go up and down. I’m just not sure what will happen to the market when QE ends altogether. Thank goodness the housing market is finally getting back on track. As I said, I’m no economist, and I am completely at a loss with most numbers, so that’s why I am a wait and see person. Not a gloom and doom person. We’ve had really terrible economic times before, and we’re still standing. I would like to see the rate of the debt slow down. If we can really get deficit reduction, that will slow borrowing, which will curtail the growth of the debt. Better minds than mine have to figure a way out of this mess.

  • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

    For starters, you whine about me replying to your posts in the same manner that you reply to other people’s posts. And you oddly have yet to identify any irony in that.

  • Jeff Webb

    >>What break have I demanded other than asking someone to think rationally?<<

    That's exactly the point–YOU'RE asking others to think rationally. You are anything but a rational person when others criticize BO.

    Your point was if BO deserves blame for what's bad then it's only rational he deserves credit for what's good. If you really think that, then you wouldn't act the way you do when we criticize him.

    You want it both ways: credit for the good, no blame for the bad. You're in no position to appeal to others' sense of logic.

  • legal eagle

    The great part of economic theory is that there are always positives and negatives so each side has a choice of which one to choose…Successful investors try to find the balance but lean to the positives…

  • Sheila Warner

    See? Who said that you can’t have an intelligent, substantive discussion? During this recent thread, I think we accomplished that. Thanks for your insights.

  • legal eagle

    Thanks to you also for your thoughtful conversation…Here’s hoping it stops freezing on the east coast one of these days…