Of Red Lines, Game Changers and U.S. Credibility

SyriaIf the Syrian regime ever uses chemical weapons on its own people, the president said, then it will have crossed a “red line;”  using chemical weapons is a “game-changer, he said.”  The implication was clear:  If Syria crossed that bright line, the United States would not tolerate it.  We would take action.  Military action, presumably.

It’s a safe bet the president wishes he had never uttered those words.

In a letter to Congress, the White House says, “Our intelligence community does assess, with varying degrees of confidence, that the Syrian regime has used chemical weapons on a small scale in Syria, specifically, the chemical agent sarin.”

That is not the kind of information the White House wanted to make public. But knowing word would leak either from intelligence sources in this country or overseas, they had to get out ahead of the story.   But this raises a crucial question: what now?

The U.S. can’t bomb the facility housing those weapons in Syria.  That would cause the very calamity we’re trying to prevent.  It can’t invade Syria – no one’s for that.  The president can try to lead a coalition of friendly nations to … do what?  We could arm the rebels we trust — and pray the weapons don’t get into the hands of the rebels we don’t trust, like al-Qaeda.

Pundits on cable TV can mouth off about anything and it doesn’t really matter all that much, not in the real world anyway.  But presidents don’t have such luxury. Words have meaning, and implications.  Last August President Obama said there would be “enormous consequences” if Syria used chemical weapons.  Last Friday he said something quite different, that any response would be a “long term proposition. This is not going to be something that is solved easily, overnight.”

If the United States does nothing in Syria, why should Iran take Mr. Obama’s words seriously when he says he will not allow the mullahs over there to possess a nuclear bomb?  Why should North Korea take us seriously?  Why should any country, friend or foe, count on what we say?

One concern at the White House, a legitimate one, is that the intelligence on Syria’s supposed use of sarin gas may be wrong.  One senior U.S. defense official told reporters , “We have seen very bad movies before” — a reference to the “slam dunk” intelligence that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.

The president, understandably, doesn’t want to make a similar mistake in Syria.  A White House official told reporters that, “Given our own history with intelligence assessments, including intelligence assessments related to weapons of mass destruction, it’s very important that we are able to establish this with certainty and that we are able to present information in a way that is airtight.”

But what if the U.S. can’t prove its case with that high degree of certainty?  Can the president say the red line wasn’t crossed?  If he does, that would be the real game changer — as far as the rest of the world is concerned.  Mr. Obama’s promises would carry little weight.  America would be one more casualty in Syria’s civil war.

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  • dontthinkgodforbidit?orisitemb

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  • dontthinkgodforbidit?orisitemb

    Food for thought

  • Estebán

    Bernie, So according to the President, Bashar Assad can, shoot, stab, torture, abuse, murder an way he wants except by use of chemical weapons. Certainly, Assad’s 40,000 to 100,000 victims and what remains of their families, must appreciate the distinction.

  • Venter

    Obama has not done a good job the past 5 years and the House of Cards are falling around him and around the world.. Answer the questions on Benghazi NOW . The MSM will cover for him , however, they didn’t help him be the great President he may have been. He and Hillary said the middle east was fine. We all know what he says are mostly lies. Get our money out of the middle east, let them work it out. We pay down our doubt , balance the budget. Drill for our own oil. Washington has sold their souls and the American people are suffering.

  • The Man from Scene 24

    If Obama makes the case that Syria has WMDs he also has to admit that Assad might have gotten them from Saddam and man wouldn’t that be painful.

    • allen goldberg

      Assad received the assembled WMD’s from iraq, but also components..which of course after 13 years of U.N. warnings Hussein moved…

  • The Man from Scene 24

    Both sides over there hate us, I say we let them kill each other, maybe arm them both. What more, Obama doesn’t need to make the case, even if he’s wrong his media will cover for him.

    • dodgergirl88

      Muslims killing Muslims. Sounds like a win-win to me.

  • Jairo A Puentes

    Obama’ red lines are red lines in the American budget. He is not credible. Gitmo, Benhazi, Fort Hood are red lines that never came or nothing happened. His statement s are a joke. That is why the NK and Iranians are sticking the middle finger to him.

  • joer1

    Phil, I respect your view. I don’t agree of course but, with respect … people like you and people like me are just going to have to agree to disagree. We are not going to call each other names, we just have to understand we hold a very different “world view”. I am retiring from “posting” … it just doesn’t seem to be a useful exercise for me. I wish you the best.

  • http://twitter.com/MissoulaHome Kris

    “But this raises a crucial question: what now?”

    That’s easy Bernie- the POTUS just draws a NEW red line!! One that REALLY sends a message that says:

    “We will not tolerate this behavior in any way… and this time- and we really meant it… this time, because next time, we will be really, REALLY angry and will just have to get out the marker and draw yet another red line- and that means we REALLY, REALLY mean it… this time ‘cuz we’re running out of next times!!”

    See? it’s easy to be the POTUS! just change the rules when it suits you… this time

  • supie

    good old angry Bernie… listen to him – what if this happens, what if this doesn’t happen, we can’t do this, he must do that… do you think old bern gets any sleep at night ? He see’s himself as a solution – looking for a problem.
    but with no problem – he wanders aimlessly feeling useless and unwanted.

    • fitzsimmons Photography

      You are pathetic Suple……

  • Geo828

    Deal with Syrias’ Assad like any Violent Murdering Criminal, swifty with overwhelming force

  • Oscar Wildman

    he’d move the “politically/expediently movable” redline…

  • http://twitter.com/acsrp381 acsrp38

    Obama probably won’t admit whether or not Syria even exists.

  • artlouis

    I hate to give Rush Limbaugh a swelled head, but he got it right. He has said over and over that Obama is afraid to actually do anything, regardless of what he says, because he doesn’t want to be susceptible to blame if he messes up. He doesn’t want his fingerprints on anything. He obviously didn’t think his tough talk on Syria would have consequences, but now that it has, he is afraid to act.

    • I Hate Fascists

      Well General Louis Sir, no doubt you and General Limbaugh are 2 of our foremost military strategists. What in your estimation would be the correct course of action at this time?

      • artlouis

        Well, Fascist, what he should have done was to keep his mouth shut rather than make a dire threat on behalf of all of us that he had no intention of carrying out. As for what he should do now, that’s his job. Ask him.

        • I Hate Fascists

          Well Pops, you are talking nonsense as usual. So it is President Obama’s job to decide what to do but it is your job and Limbaugh’s job to tell him when to talk and when to shut up? The hot air coming out of both ends of you 2 fat slobs could power enough wind farms to eliminate our oil dependency. Now listen up. You presume to know the President’s intentions but you are talking out of ignorance. Red lines or whatever do not limit his options in any way. This is a non-issue. And you are an arrogant old SOB.

          • artlouis

            Fascist, Calling people names is childish. Perhaps that explains your fixation on the difference in our ages. Are you by any chance in kindergarten?; public school, most likely.

          • I Hate Fascists

            Childish is you trying to change the subject. Just admit that you are full of hot air, then follow your own advice and keep your mouth shut.

          • I Hate Fascists

            Are you smarter than a fifth grader? Apparently not

          • fitzsimmons Photography

            I could tell you were a nasty young man who acts and must also look old!!

      • fitzsimmons Photography

        Well your guy is the most incompetent President we have EVER seen. He’s not a leader, he’s a classic narcissist! All he cares about is Barack Obama!!

  • John Quigley

    It is a difficult situation at best. The President has made a serious error in judgment and the consequences will be bad for the credibility of the United States. It is shameful, but we are now stuck in a situation that has no good exit point.

    • http://www.facebook.com/phil.silverman.9 Phil Silverman

      care to enlarge on your statement about the President’s judgment? no referring to Sammon memos!! :)

      • Jimmy V

        You’re either dense or being purposely obtuse. It was a bad judgement to draw a red line in Syria. If sarin gas has been used and Obama does nothing, he makes the U.S. look weak and ineffective. If he intervenes and sends troops, he risks angering Putin, who has said an intervention by anyone in Syria is a red line for Russia. Take off the partisian glasses Phil, Obama screwed the pooch here and a bad decision on his part could start a regional war in Syria and all over the Middle East.

        God you Obama worshipping fools are frustrating, he can never do anything wrong in your eyes can he Phil?

        • supie

          and goodness Jimmy V – you Obama haters are frustrated… he can never do anything right in your
          eyes can he Jimmy ?

          • Jimmy V

            Let me know when he actually does his job as prez instead of campaigning and golfing and I’ll let you know when he’s finally doin something right. Fair enough?

          • supie

            and “doing his job” would be what ? making up a bunch of stuff and starting another war like bush/cheney did – sending off thousands of young soldiers to die so oilmen and haliburtun can make make money… no – I don’t need that Jimmy… and please don’t respond Jimmy -..I don’t need to hear anymore of your nonsense, and neither does America… go away !

          • Jimmy V

            You chose to troll my post so you got responded to, deal with it! All intelligence pointed to wmd inIraq and it was a mistake and not a war I wanted either as I was a mindless lib like you a decade ago. Obama is in over his head and many world leaders know this. I’ll be curious to see how libs react when your messiah fukks this up and starts ww3 with us vs russia, that’ll be awesome, won’t it?

            Have a nice day little fascist.

          • supie

            against my better wishes Jimmy – I respond…
            WW3 will be good for the economy and will improve
            my portfolio…. hopefully, you will do well too…

  • DOOM161

    You think Iran and North Korea take him seriously?

    • http://www.facebook.com/phil.silverman.9 Phil Silverman

      why…because Murdoch and Ailes do not?

  • GlenFS

    And with what certainty does the president expect to know when Iran has crossed the line and completed a nuclear weapon? When they use it on someone? I don’t think the mullahs have taken anything Obama said seriously for a long time and all he’s done now is make the sure he’s feckless. Thank God they do believe Isreal’s words.

    • http://www.facebook.com/phil.silverman.9 Phil Silverman

      ooooh…”feckless”…new one from the RNC-Newscorp mantra workshop!!
      was Obama feckless tracking down Bin Laden after W. gave up in ’06? and no, enhanced interrogation had nothing to do with it.
      he’s nailed about 22 of Bin Laden’s biggest idiot thug friends…but Bernie and his little Foxettes will never admit that.

      • http://twitter.com/MissoulaHome Kris

        I’m not one of Bush’s biggest supporters- but, he actually did the job at hand and kept America safe (ZERO attacks since 9/11 on Bush’s watch; 5 attacks on American soil on O’s watch…), and yes, the enhanced interrogation DID work- it’s exactly how Obama got to Bin Laden- do not discount that point. It was also how we got to all of the soldiers in OBL army. Bush never gave up on it- he just wasn’t laser focused on it like some wanted him to be- there are other priorities in the world that needed attention.
        But understand this situation- Obama really stepped in it this time around- he NEVER should have given an ultimatum on this- he either pisses off Russia or America by sending the troops in- OR- he looks like an even bigger wimp in the eyes of the world and shows he has no support for Israel (which we already know is true- he will just have proven it to the world): either way he loses- and he earned it all by himself.

  • Brhurdle

    It would seem that the response to crossing the “red line” should have been considered and thoroughly discussed with the military before ever issuing such a declarative statement. However, I would guess that Obama did none of these things before issuing this proclamation. It is my opinion that this was a statement issued in a vacuum based on his amateur belief that his word would influence their behavior. The man has the management skills of of a four year old.

  • BrianFruman

    Suddenlly Busch is right! This is going to be a hard pill for liberals to swallow and the pill only gets bigger as issues in the middle east and domestic terroism attacks continue. In the context of History while I have had my doubts about the involvement in Iraq. History may look at Busch much more favorable as these events unfold.

    • DiscCoastie

      Pardon me…but it’s Mr. Bush not Busch….that’s a beer!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1560111594 Robert Blum

    The use of ‘red lines’ is not a US game changer . . . it just underscores on the global stage that Obama’s words characteristically do not match his deeds.

  • chas615

    The simple fact of the matter is we can trust NO ONE in Syria. Not the friendly rebels or the Al Qaeda rebels. Let them gas and/or annihilate each other. We will have fewer enemies afterwards. The only mistake Obama made was threatening to do something if…

  • Iklwa

    This administration will likely do nothing regarding the use of gas in Syria…unless a canister lands on the lawn of the White House. I would imagine there would then issue forth endless streams of protests, formal complaints, a UN resolution or forty and maybe some strong finger-wagging on the part of the President (You know, he has a REALLY stern countenance when angered re: no passage of firearms legislation speech to Republicans). In my book, that should be good for something!

    This is a classic problem for liberals not wanting to get their hands dirty by actually having to make a public decision that can be tracked directly back to President Obama. Drones will not suffice in this case unless we got incredibly lucky.

    Even were we to “rub out” Assad, who would fill the vacuum?

    Most likely we would get a duplication of the Arab Spring (You remember, that spring that promised a flowering of freedom and human rights in the Middle East and North Africa?).

    We know what we got now, Libyan and Egyptian governments controlled by the Muslim Brotherhood…how refreshing!

    Is it just me or am I the only one who when listening to another of President Obama’s promises, expects the opposite?

    I can just envision the conferences in the oval office and the massive liberal brains in attendance lamenting the lack of shrubbery upon which to hang such distasteful dilemmas.

    Like I said, I’m betting Assad is really sweating the coming finger-wagging and frown.

  • joepotato

    Why should anyone listen to Comrade Usurper anyway? The world leaders know we have an illegal puppet posing as POTUS having his strings pulled by the Pentagon controllers and the Wall St Banksters… It’s a shame there is no one willing to expose this charade …

  • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.makinen Douglas Makinen

    The only nation that has a small majority of people that support and believe what Obama says is the US. North Korea and Iran obviously continue to move forward with their nuclear programs with no real significant impacts over what has been levied upon them during the past few decades. Syria may have followed suit and deployed WMD, and if reports are correct has in fact done so. I believe things are going according to Obamas plan that only he truly knows.

  • kayakbob

    In some ways this is a reminder of the (purposely) muddled aftermath of Gulf War 1.0 and soldiers coming home with “gulf war syndrome”. A previous administration found itself in a similar predicament. If the administration at that time had publicly acknowledged ‘Gulf War Syndrome’ was a result of chemical agents, it would have just told the world two things:

    1. Saddam had chemical agents that we could not detect (regardless of whether he released them, or we inadvertently released his gas when we blew up his weapons cache’s.)

    2. He had crossed a “line” – in which case, now we (US) have to do something about it.

    The solution? Just pretend it never happened and hope it goes away. The only differences is that administration was, at least, savvy enough to see that trap and not walk into it in the first place.

    So now, the best thing Obama can do for himself is say, “They crossed a line!….strongly worded letter to follow.”

  • 633

    Speak softly and carry a big stick. Still cogent advice.

    • nickshaw

      Only if you demonstrate that you will use that stick when necessary, 633.
      And Libya cannot be used as an example. First, because we used a twig and second because we got our butts kicked in Benghazi by the guys we “helped” and didn’t do a darn thing about it!

  • Cindy

    I’m no war expert but what about drones? Pretty accurate, scary and intimidating. And if that doesn’t work, we can send our own private army called “the Senate” to confuse, lie and talk them into submission…..

    • nickshaw

      Because both sides would shoot them down, Cindy.
      Your second suggestion is perfect! 😉

  • Paul Union Ky.

    Thank you Bernie for your inisight in to this issue.. Given the past record of the Obama administration he would/will do nothing substantial.His words are just that words.

    • http://www.facebook.com/phil.silverman.9 Phil Silverman

      can you enlarge on your statement he has done nothing substantial? getting thru AFCA based upon Romneycare & the GOP alternative of ’93? yeah, nothing. let’s go back to when insurers could deny precondition patients. Nothing with implementation of W’s TARP? nah, nothing. creating a decent # of jobs despite the GOP War on the Middle Class, started in 2009? Nothing with credit card and student loan reform? go back to shuffling your Hannity memo cards.

  • joer1

    This president – small letters – has NO credibility and, by proxy … our country has no credibility. He never knows what he’s saying but, once again, his media have or will, circle the wagons.

  • beniyyar

    Obama will do nothing about Syrian chemical weapons and he will do nothing about Iran’s nuclear weapons, get used to it.

  • gbandy

    The last thing Obama wants to do expose the fact that the Syrian WMD all were made in Iraq. You know the WMD’s that Bush knew were there and shipped in convoys to Syria? The whole world had evidence of their existence and only our Liberals like Hillary, Kerry, and Feinstein first agreed and than changed for political reasons to attack Bush. Obama is and continues to be just an empty suit.

    • http://www.facebook.com/phil.silverman.9 Phil Silverman

      empty suit? ya mean like…like..”empty chair”? hehehehe

  • Ted Crawford

    We need to remember this was Obama talking: 2008 ” I’ll cut the deficit in half – (Deficit in 2008 $10.6 Trillion, Deficit in 2012 – $16.4 Trillion), “I’ll reduce unemployment” (Unemployment rose to over 10%), “I’ll reduce the cost of Health Care” (Health Insurance costs are between 30% and 40% higher than in 2008)
    2012 – “OK, but this time I really, really mean it!” If Obama’s proposed economic plans are allowed to continue the next President will inherit this economy; $22.6 Trillion deficit, a Debt to GDP ratio of 138% and a Spending to GDP ratio of 27%!
    Watching Obama make this statement was as believable as watching a Kamikaze Pilot take off on his 47th. mission!

    • nickshaw

      So much truth packed into so few sentences, Ted!
      And I’ll be using that last line, if you don’t mind. 😉

      • Ted Crawford

        You flatter me and your very welcome to use it if it might help! In any case it’s certain I stole it from some forgotten source! Now is it possible for you to share with me any ideas how best we can regain our Country? I’m concerned that we are soon to join Ancient Greece and Rome!

        • nickshaw

          It’s helpful to remember those two fell to enemies from without.
          Our problem is the enemy within.

        • John Quigley

          It was a great line, one of the things we can do is join with 10th Amendment forces. They are working to get states to nullify by use of the 10th Amendment the moves that the administration is making. From Obamacare to gun control.

          • http://www.facebook.com/phil.silverman.9 Phil Silverman

            Obamacare was found CONSTITUTIONAL by a very Conservative Supreme Court judge. It was based upon a Conservative’s state plan. Gun control? what a horrible thought: 100% background checks and removal of semi-automatics. go back to staring at your poster of LaPierre.

  • RickonhisHarleyJohnson

    He talks all the time about everything, from the trivial to the vital. It’s no wonder he is continually putting himself in a box. He acts like a college sophomore always spouting anything that pops into his head!

  • ksp48

    Over and over again Obama shows that he really doesn’t understand the job. Worse, since his pre election statement that once elected he’d sit down with every dictator in the world without preconditions, he just hasn’t seemed to learn anything.

  • ClaudeinSocal

    This is what Bernie Goldberg & Bill O’Reilly will say tonight. Bill O’Reilly will be on protect his President Barack H. Obama at all cost. & then Bernie Goldberg will agree with the abject failure known as Bill O’Reilly. These two are so P.C. they will not want to offend Muslims like there beloved Obama. It will be another five minutes that people watching will never get back.

    • ksp48

      Don’t agree. They have more credibility because they don’t make stuff up , don’t speculate and don’t come across as crazy.

      • ClaudeinSocal

        When Bill O’Reilly & Bernie Goldberg get together, it just proves that Bill & Bernie care more for Obama than for this nation & people. I’ve seen these two zombies run to Obama’s side more than a handful of times & Bernie brown noses Bill. So it is yes, Bill, I agree with you. & that is what will happen tonight. The Muslim terrorist & Obama get a free pass once again.

  • http://twitter.com/clcash86 Carl L. Cash Jr.

    not advocating boots on the ground and I admit I’m unsure of a no fly zone or
    more lethal assistance to the rebels but Obama put it out there that WMD on
    civilians was a red line, Game changer so he best come up with something
    significant and make it happen.

  • http://twitter.com/clcash86 Carl L. Cash Jr.

    Say what you want about Bush but lines in the sand were never drawn then ignored by him.

    • http://www.facebook.com/phil.silverman.9 Phil Silverman

      Right. He let his VP play Commander in Chief on behalf of his former employer who gave him a 45 million $$$$ going away present.

  • Kathie Ampela

    Great column, Bernie, thank you. This reminds me of all the phony moral posturing the Left and their warriors in the media took during the Bush era and the Iraq war. I’ve always thought Saddam’s WMD’s were flown out of Iraq to Syria in the “mysterious 57 flights” before the start of the war in 2003. It would be a sweet moment for GWB to savor in his retirement if this wasn’t such a serious problem:


    I’m not going to stoop to the level of the left and bash Obama. How about the U.N. getting involved or are they too busy giving platforms to terrorist cheerleaders like Richard Falk? Why is the U.S. taxpayer sending 10 billion dollars a year to the U.N. if they can’t help us out In a situation like this? They love Obama over there let them jump in and help out.

    • John Quigley

      The U. N. cannot help out, Russia and China have veto power!

  • JohnInMA

    The talk, talk, talk about Syria feels a lot like that for the Keystone XL project. Perpetual delay and no clear cut official position. Maybe they are hoping to put enough time between the event and the final decision so that the public will have moved on. Likewise, maybe they want to give it enough time so the press can do the job of ‘investigating and reporting’, to place as much doubt about who is responsible as is possible. For me, bringing the WMD/Iraq parallel into the topic is a sign they don’t have much to fall back on. If they did, they would present the case. Throwing attention back on Bush, while reflexive for this administration, does nothing to describe or explain what is known, unknown, and needs to be known. It just makes it political. Imagine that….

  • k962

    ” The red line ” turns pink and soon will vanish! Obama has had more red lines than Ronzoni has spaghetti! They are meaningless!

    • http://www.facebook.com/phil.silverman.9 Phil Silverman

      care to explain Obama’s lack of meaning? you mean in getting BL two years after W. gave up? getting Gadaffi without one drop of American blood shed? do you guyz KNOW what you are saying?
      restoring our greatest industry by implementing W’s TARP?
      are you an O’Reilly Premium member?

      • k962

        Obama set his red lines before for Iran, did they pay any attention to them? Excuse me but in Libya, he led nothing, letting the British and the French doing the bombing ! And really are you bragging about Libya? The country that is “not” ! Where our diplomats got massacred and Obama promised to bring the culprits to justice. Not even ONE suspect in custody in 8 months!
        Give us all a break! Obama has a big mouth and that is it!

  • Bruce A.

    The impression I get is the US no longer has creditability on the world stage. To me it seems like the US should stay out of this one. Where is the UN on this one? This seems like a real job for that group but once again the UN is proving how useless it really is.

  • cmacrider

    Burt: As I understand “Obama-talk ” that was a green light for Syria to go ahead with the employment of WMD. Can you recall anything else he said that could be taken at face value? Certainly those in Canada who watch him closely have learned not to believe anything he says.

  • I Hate Fascists

    I don’t know that no one is for the invasion of Syria. The likes of right wing chicken hawks Cruz, Inhofe, Lee, would seem to be in favor of it, as long as it is Obama’s war and they can keep their options open to disavow support of it if it does not go as planned, or take credit if it does. Let’s not lose sight that these “red line” sound bites are just that, and no doubt there are back channel communications that are underneath the media radar

    • ksp48

      “No doubt”. So you think we have “back channel” communications with Assad. The effectiveness of which is …… nada? Seriously, yours was a silly post.

      • I Hate Fascists

        You think there is nothing going on behind the scenes, just what you see and hear in the media?

    • Brhurdle

      You can’t be serious! Obama made this statement without any prodding from his political opponents. Personally, I don’t think we need to expend any efforts or capital in Syria. However, it should have been clear there was nothing to gain by making brave statements if you have no intent of responding. Obama has talked himself into a corner with nothing to gain and a lot to lose without any assistance from the opposition. Don’t try to divert blame to the opposition since Obama’s ineptness is entirely responsible for the situation.

      • I Hate Fascists

        You are talking nonsense. Obama could take any action he deems appropriate at any time of his choosing. Sound bites mean nothing.

        • Brhurdle

          I have concluded that you don’t have both oars in the water and are in a leaking boat.

          • I Hate Fascists

            So you believe that having made the red line statement he now has no options other than to put up or shut up?

          • http://www.facebook.com/phil.silverman.9 Phil Silverman

            can U enlarge on that?

  • http://blog.cyberquill.com/ Cyberquill

    Perhaps a conversation with his daughters caused Mr Obama to change his mind regarding that red line, just as the girls had caused him to change his stance on gay marriage.

    Or maybe a secret mission to remove the Assad regime is already underway. Recall that two years ago, as Obama was calmly delivering his one-liners at the Correspondents Dinner, he had just greenlighted the raid on the Bin Laden compound.

    • G. Daylan

      Because Obama is always in campaign mode, all of his utterances can be taken as campaign promises and are therefore suspect. I am surprised that “Hate Fascists” and “Cyberquill” both believe that he has secret plans to “solve” the Syrian crisis since so far his only solution to anything has been the Bin Laden raid.

      • I Hate Fascists

        As Mr. Goldberg has outlined, there are no easy answers, except for the aforementioned chicken hawks who hint at war but keep their options open. There are no secret plans, but no doubt there are things going on behind the scenes beyond the sound bites for public consumption.

        • http://www.facebook.com/phil.silverman.9 Phil Silverman

          “chicken hawks”? what decade are you in? :)