You are forgetting John some very important points:
Were you better off with Trump or Biden?
Was the border more secure with Trump or Biden?
Did you feel this country was safer under Trump or Biden?
Was the economy better under Trump or Biden?
Was Iran contained under Trump or Biden?
Was the Mideast better under Trump or Biden?
And other questions.
Is the progressive policy of DEI in our educational systems and corporations good?
Do you want illegals to suck dry our national treasury?
Do you want jobs in our federal government security positions to be filled by the best or through DEI.
And more importantly, do you believe the federal government who ignored our burning cities deserved the Jan 6th invasion.
I know John a lot of Trumpsters (go figure in MN) and some work for me. They are reasonable pissed on what's going on. I think Bernie understands this as he has written about it. I'm not sure John that you do. By the way, great article.
>>You are forgetting John some very important points:
Hi Tim. First of all, I'm not. Second, none of these points have anything to do with what I wrote in this column. But if you want to have a separate discussion, I'm happy to. I'll begin by answering your questions, then I'll explain why they carry no weight with me in an argument for why Trump should return to power.
>>Were you better off with Trump or Biden?
Me personally? Biden.
>>Was the border more secure with Trump or Biden?
Trump, though he did very little. Biden needlessly made the situation far worse.
>>Did you feel this country was safer under Trump or Biden?
Biden.
>>Was the economy better under Trump or Biden?
Depends on which years. What I always find interesting about this question is that no one ever counts Trump's last year in office because of covid, but everyone counts Biden's covid years that include the inevitable inflation that followed the pandemic.
>>Was Iran contained under Trump or Biden?
Neither, but I think Trump was better on Iran.
>>Was the Mideast better under Trump or Biden?
Trump, because Biden blew it with Afghanistan by enacting the same policy Trump was going to enact. The latest Israel/Hamas conflict would have happened under either president, unfortunately.
>>Is the progressive policy of DEI in our educational systems and corporations good?
I think D.E.I., which has existed under both Trump and Biden, has done more harm than good.
>>Do you want illegals to suck dry our national treasury?
No, though our national treasury sadly has far bigger problems than illegals.
>>Do you want jobs in our federal government security positions to be filled by the best or through DEI.
I want the best people in important government positions, which neither of the major political parties and their presumed presidential nominees care about much.
>>And more importantly, do you believe the federal government who ignored our burning cities deserved the Jan 6th invasion.
Hell no. The question doesn't even make sense. Assuming you're referring to the 2020 summer riots, dealing with them was the job of local governments, not the federal government. And if you wanted the federal government to overstep its bounds and intervene, your problem should be with Trump; he was president at that time; not Biden. All Trump did during the riots was tweet "LAW & ORDER!!!" a bunch of times. So why on earth would ANYONE think that riots that went down under Trump could somehow justify Trump supporters committing violence at the U.S. Capitol in Trump's name?
Now, I'll kindly remind you of some things:
I didn't vote for Biden in 2020, and have no plans to this year. I never thought he would be a good president, and he's not a good president. I never criticized anyone for their general-election votes in 2016 and 2020, regardless if they voted for Hillary, Trump, Biden, or someone else. And if Trump had conceded defeat like an adult in 2020, granted our country its peaceful transfer of power (like all of his predecessors did), and otherwise left office responsibly, I wouldn't have even criticized anyone for voting for him in the 2024 general election (the primaries, yes, but not the general election).
But after he tried to overturn U.S. democracy by stealing an election, caused a deadly insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, called for suspending the Constitution and granting himself immunity from all crimes, and stole top-level national security secrets (including U.S. nuclear plans) to show off to randos at his country club, I can't respect anyone's decision to vote for him in 2024.
To me, this would be the political equivalent of awarding O.J. Simpson a lifetime achievement award for his stellar football career and charity work. It's perfectly defensible, as long as you ignore that whole thing about him murdering a couple people.
I guess I could have been clearer, but I agree with your answers on my end. I'm trying to convey that many of the Trumpsters look at these issues and see them differently. So, they weren't really questions for you but statements on their positions. I didn't vote for Trump the first time and this election period I won't vote at all as in my state it's a waste of time.
Hi Tim. I kind of thought that's what you were doing at first, but by the end it felt like you were internalizing a case for Trump. Sorry for misunderstanding.
I was indeed aware of almost all of the positions above ("deserving" Jan. 6 through me for a loop), but like I said (and like you seem to agree), I reject the case.
2nd P, last sent. Matters or manners? lol
Good catch. Thanks!
You are forgetting John some very important points:
Were you better off with Trump or Biden?
Was the border more secure with Trump or Biden?
Did you feel this country was safer under Trump or Biden?
Was the economy better under Trump or Biden?
Was Iran contained under Trump or Biden?
Was the Mideast better under Trump or Biden?
And other questions.
Is the progressive policy of DEI in our educational systems and corporations good?
Do you want illegals to suck dry our national treasury?
Do you want jobs in our federal government security positions to be filled by the best or through DEI.
And more importantly, do you believe the federal government who ignored our burning cities deserved the Jan 6th invasion.
I know John a lot of Trumpsters (go figure in MN) and some work for me. They are reasonable pissed on what's going on. I think Bernie understands this as he has written about it. I'm not sure John that you do. By the way, great article.
>>You are forgetting John some very important points:
Hi Tim. First of all, I'm not. Second, none of these points have anything to do with what I wrote in this column. But if you want to have a separate discussion, I'm happy to. I'll begin by answering your questions, then I'll explain why they carry no weight with me in an argument for why Trump should return to power.
>>Were you better off with Trump or Biden?
Me personally? Biden.
>>Was the border more secure with Trump or Biden?
Trump, though he did very little. Biden needlessly made the situation far worse.
>>Did you feel this country was safer under Trump or Biden?
Biden.
>>Was the economy better under Trump or Biden?
Depends on which years. What I always find interesting about this question is that no one ever counts Trump's last year in office because of covid, but everyone counts Biden's covid years that include the inevitable inflation that followed the pandemic.
>>Was Iran contained under Trump or Biden?
Neither, but I think Trump was better on Iran.
>>Was the Mideast better under Trump or Biden?
Trump, because Biden blew it with Afghanistan by enacting the same policy Trump was going to enact. The latest Israel/Hamas conflict would have happened under either president, unfortunately.
>>Is the progressive policy of DEI in our educational systems and corporations good?
I think D.E.I., which has existed under both Trump and Biden, has done more harm than good.
>>Do you want illegals to suck dry our national treasury?
No, though our national treasury sadly has far bigger problems than illegals.
>>Do you want jobs in our federal government security positions to be filled by the best or through DEI.
I want the best people in important government positions, which neither of the major political parties and their presumed presidential nominees care about much.
>>And more importantly, do you believe the federal government who ignored our burning cities deserved the Jan 6th invasion.
Hell no. The question doesn't even make sense. Assuming you're referring to the 2020 summer riots, dealing with them was the job of local governments, not the federal government. And if you wanted the federal government to overstep its bounds and intervene, your problem should be with Trump; he was president at that time; not Biden. All Trump did during the riots was tweet "LAW & ORDER!!!" a bunch of times. So why on earth would ANYONE think that riots that went down under Trump could somehow justify Trump supporters committing violence at the U.S. Capitol in Trump's name?
Now, I'll kindly remind you of some things:
I didn't vote for Biden in 2020, and have no plans to this year. I never thought he would be a good president, and he's not a good president. I never criticized anyone for their general-election votes in 2016 and 2020, regardless if they voted for Hillary, Trump, Biden, or someone else. And if Trump had conceded defeat like an adult in 2020, granted our country its peaceful transfer of power (like all of his predecessors did), and otherwise left office responsibly, I wouldn't have even criticized anyone for voting for him in the 2024 general election (the primaries, yes, but not the general election).
But after he tried to overturn U.S. democracy by stealing an election, caused a deadly insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, called for suspending the Constitution and granting himself immunity from all crimes, and stole top-level national security secrets (including U.S. nuclear plans) to show off to randos at his country club, I can't respect anyone's decision to vote for him in 2024.
To me, this would be the political equivalent of awarding O.J. Simpson a lifetime achievement award for his stellar football career and charity work. It's perfectly defensible, as long as you ignore that whole thing about him murdering a couple people.
I guess I could have been clearer, but I agree with your answers on my end. I'm trying to convey that many of the Trumpsters look at these issues and see them differently. So, they weren't really questions for you but statements on their positions. I didn't vote for Trump the first time and this election period I won't vote at all as in my state it's a waste of time.
Hi Tim. I kind of thought that's what you were doing at first, but by the end it felt like you were internalizing a case for Trump. Sorry for misunderstanding.
I was indeed aware of almost all of the positions above ("deserving" Jan. 6 through me for a loop), but like I said (and like you seem to agree), I reject the case.