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Integrity's avatar

Ukraine once had nukes and Clinton talked them into giving them up. Obama sat back and did nothing when Russia invaded Crimea. Russia invaded Ukraine under Biden's watch. The Afghanistan debacle occurred under Biden's watch. Trump clearly sucks, but dang, I am not convinced any Democrat is a better option regarding foreign policy. I do believe we should do everything possible to help Ukraine win, but one has to wonder if it would have even happened had it not been for Democratic administrations. QED

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John A. Daly's avatar

Russia invaded Georgia under Bush. Russia attacked Ukraine throughout the Trump administration, though Putin was primarily focused on intervening in Syria during that time. The full-scale invasion of Ukraine was launched after our Afghanistan withdrawal, which Trump was going to do too. I'm happy to entertain the idea that better leaders could have done more to deter Putin, but we unfortunately don't elect people like Reagan any more.

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Tim Holmquist's avatar

Further, Trump let the Saudis rain hell on the Houthis. Biden stopped the Saudis and took the Houthis off the Terrorists list and later said "Woops I F##ked up" and put them back on. He is also permitting the Houthis influence of shipping through the Suez Canal. Obama gave Iran Billions of dollars that have been sent to Hamas, Houthis, and more dangerously, Hezbollah.

Good points of the Iran Nuclear deal under Obama:

Inspectors were on the ground monitoring inbound shipments, and they were permitted in some production facilities. Also Manifests originating out of Europe were reviewed and shipments inspected. The equipment to refine was also held to small numbers.

Bad points of the Iran Nuclear deal under Obama:

Much of the technology of a Nuclear threat is the delivery systems of which was not under restrictions or could be researched and designed outside of scrutiny. This includes software, electronics, guidance systems as well as the casings and rockets. Another bad aspect is they got the money. If Bush or any other President would have delivered cash in dark of night on a landing strip with pallets of money the press would have called for impeachment. one more point, everyone agreed that it would only delay the Iranians efforts to become a nuclear power.

Lastly, If Iran gets Nuclear weapons, it's a whole new world.

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John D McCann's avatar

It's not a question of if, but WHEN Iran gets nuclear weapons. Anything short of an all out invasion/occupation of Iran will not stop them from joining the nuclear club. The benefits to THEM of possessing the bomb outweigh any consequences, or at least that is the calculation I believe they have made.

The game the US and Europe are playing is essentially to delay, so that "it doesn't happen on MY watch". I believe that was the goal of the nuclear deal made by the Obama administration - "I can't really stop you from developing a nuke, but do me a solid, and just don't do it such that I get blamed for it."

Having said that, while the thought of Iran having the bomb is unnerving, keep in mind, Pakistan and North Korea also have nukes, and while it's not a great situation, it's not the end of the world either. Everyone knows Israel has nukes, even though they don't officially say so, and the mullahs in Iran may be fanatical, but I don't believe they are suicidal. They have pretty good lives, and know full well those lives would end if they tried to nuke Israel.

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