Unfortunately, in the US, Americans don’t care about Ukraine. Before you rip my response apart, I have asked around and despite my point about how it does impact us here in the US-it doesn't resonate.
Most important issue is the cost of groceries, gas, insurance, and utilities which are still higher despite the recent decline.
Unfortunately, in the US, Americans don’t care about Ukraine. Before you rip my response apart, I have asked around and despite my point about how it does impact us here in the US-it doesn't resonate.
Most important issue is the cost of groceries, gas, insurance, and utilities which are still higher despite the recent decline.
I have served in the military and know that despite Ukraine being a European regional issue it will impact us. However, I do think European’s neeed to show numbers of monetary support that is similar to the US. Also, I don't believe an exit Strategy has been made to this issue by Biden/Harris. We just see more of US tax dollars being shovelled into Ukraine while Americans in the US are suffering from a devastating aftermath of a storm.
>>Unfortunately, in the US, Americans don’t care about Ukraine.
I disagree. Poll after poll from the beginning of the conflict has shown that most Americans approve of our support for Ukraine. What it's not is a TOP issue for most Americans, despite it being a top foreign policy issue globally.
The reason I pointed out how much time was spent on climate change at the debate is that that issue consistently ranks near the bottom of Americans' ranking of issues.
>>Before you rip my response apart, I have asked around and despite my point about how it does impact us here in the US-it doesn't resonate.
I do agree that most Americans aren't following the issue closely, and that our leaders don't do a good job or explaining the conflict's significance to America and beyond (while people like Vance outright lie about Ukraine funding preventing domestic issues from being resolved).
>>However, I do think European’s need to show numbers of monetary support that is similar to the US.
As a percentage of GDP, 23 countries (most of them European) give more money to the Ukraine effort than the United States.
>>Also, I don't believe an exit Strategy has been made to this issue by Biden/Harris.
Nor should there be by a U.S. administration. The Ukrainians are the ones fighting this war, not the United States.
>>We just see more of US tax dollars being shovelled into Ukraine while Americans in the US are suffering from a devastating aftermath of a storm.
U.S. defense-funding for Ukraine is about 1% of the federal budget, and close to 90% of that funding never leaves the United States, but rather goes to updating our own defense technology, weaponry, vehicles, etc. as the old, outdated stuff gets shipped to Ukraine. Ukraine-defense funding isn't taking money away from U.S. storm victims. If anything, our updated technology, vehicles, etc. are being used help storm victims.
Nor should there be by a U.S. administration. The Ukrainians are the ones fighting this war, not the United States.
-So, when I say exit strategy I’m talking about support financially or boots on the ground. From your statement it would appear you support more tax payer support without a timeline or objective. How much more do we pour in and for how long?
American boots on the ground isn't going to happen.
Financially, why would we need an exit strategy? We've been sending defense-aid to Israel since the 1970s. Should we demand an exit strategy for them? No one but the most extreme anti-Israel lefties ever call for one. We recognize Israel as a democratic ally who is under constant threat and attack from their neighbors. If one day that threat goes away, our financial support will as well (or at least be significantly reduced).
>>From your statement it would appear you support more tax payer support without a timeline or objective.
The objective is Ukraine sovereignty -- its right to exist as a free nation. Same with Israel. Declaring an arbitrary end date for our support of these countries only lets their attackers know how much longer they need to hold out.
>>How much more do we pour in and for how long?
Again, around 1% of our federal budget goes to Ukraine defense-aid, 90% of which never leaves our own country, and pays the salaries of the U.S. workers who are updating and expanding our U.S. military arsenal.
Meanwhile, over 50% of our federal budget is being poured into our collapsing entitlement programs that both parties and presidential candidates refuse to reform, despite our national debt skyrocketing toward $36 trillion. Ukraine is chump change in the grand scheme of things (same with Israel), but the modern right acts like it's what's breaking the bank. Why? Because folks like Tucker Carlson say so?
I'm not in favor of Tucker Carlson position, in my opinion we do have to support Ukraine and Isreal. However, it should be defined as to the future of tax payer dollars in this support.
I have now discussed Ukraine with 10 people within the past two days mostly Democrat voters-sadly they don't even know where Ukraine or Isreal is and they don't care about them. Additionally, they will vote for Harris and Walz because they will take care of them because they are Black. Trump voters will vote Trump regardless as well.
In my opinion, none of the discussions matter or will matter until it impacts the day to day lives of most Americans.
Yes, the money does come back to the bombs and bullets makers here in the US. So, I guess your point of 90% comes back to the US makes sense if you can sleep knowing that Russians, Ukrainian, Isrealies, and Arab’s are the benefactors of our investment of barely 1% of our GDP. Guess no strategy needs to be defined in that case. Maybe Harris will show strength and apply political pressure if she's elected.
No, I don't think you are in favor of other people dying. Just trying to make the point of some sort of strategy is needed here. Maybe its a lot more money but how much? Maybe more pressure on economic sanction.
>>No, I don't think you are in favor of other people dying.
Cool, because defense aid for Ukraine and Israel is about keeping Ukrainians and Israels alive and free against those illegally attacking and terrorizing their respective countries.
>>Just trying to make the point of some sort of strategy is needed here.
Should U.S. defense aid to Israel be contingent on specific strategies for their survival?
I disagree. Poll after poll from the beginning of the conflict has shown that most Americans approve of our support for Ukraine. What it's not is a TOP issue for most Americans, despite it being a top foreign policy issue globally.
So, when I said they didn't care, it meant in the terms of current top concerns for their day to day. I further explained this below.
Unfortunately, in the US, Americans don’t care about Ukraine. Before you rip my response apart, I have asked around and despite my point about how it does impact us here in the US-it doesn't resonate.
Most important issue is the cost of groceries, gas, insurance, and utilities which are still higher despite the recent decline.
I have served in the military and know that despite Ukraine being a European regional issue it will impact us. However, I do think European’s neeed to show numbers of monetary support that is similar to the US. Also, I don't believe an exit Strategy has been made to this issue by Biden/Harris. We just see more of US tax dollars being shovelled into Ukraine while Americans in the US are suffering from a devastating aftermath of a storm.
>>Unfortunately, in the US, Americans don’t care about Ukraine.
I disagree. Poll after poll from the beginning of the conflict has shown that most Americans approve of our support for Ukraine. What it's not is a TOP issue for most Americans, despite it being a top foreign policy issue globally.
The reason I pointed out how much time was spent on climate change at the debate is that that issue consistently ranks near the bottom of Americans' ranking of issues.
>>Before you rip my response apart, I have asked around and despite my point about how it does impact us here in the US-it doesn't resonate.
I do agree that most Americans aren't following the issue closely, and that our leaders don't do a good job or explaining the conflict's significance to America and beyond (while people like Vance outright lie about Ukraine funding preventing domestic issues from being resolved).
>>However, I do think European’s need to show numbers of monetary support that is similar to the US.
As a percentage of GDP, 23 countries (most of them European) give more money to the Ukraine effort than the United States.
https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/
>>Also, I don't believe an exit Strategy has been made to this issue by Biden/Harris.
Nor should there be by a U.S. administration. The Ukrainians are the ones fighting this war, not the United States.
>>We just see more of US tax dollars being shovelled into Ukraine while Americans in the US are suffering from a devastating aftermath of a storm.
U.S. defense-funding for Ukraine is about 1% of the federal budget, and close to 90% of that funding never leaves the United States, but rather goes to updating our own defense technology, weaponry, vehicles, etc. as the old, outdated stuff gets shipped to Ukraine. Ukraine-defense funding isn't taking money away from U.S. storm victims. If anything, our updated technology, vehicles, etc. are being used help storm victims.
Nor should there be by a U.S. administration. The Ukrainians are the ones fighting this war, not the United States.
-So, when I say exit strategy I’m talking about support financially or boots on the ground. From your statement it would appear you support more tax payer support without a timeline or objective. How much more do we pour in and for how long?
American boots on the ground isn't going to happen.
Financially, why would we need an exit strategy? We've been sending defense-aid to Israel since the 1970s. Should we demand an exit strategy for them? No one but the most extreme anti-Israel lefties ever call for one. We recognize Israel as a democratic ally who is under constant threat and attack from their neighbors. If one day that threat goes away, our financial support will as well (or at least be significantly reduced).
>>From your statement it would appear you support more tax payer support without a timeline or objective.
The objective is Ukraine sovereignty -- its right to exist as a free nation. Same with Israel. Declaring an arbitrary end date for our support of these countries only lets their attackers know how much longer they need to hold out.
>>How much more do we pour in and for how long?
Again, around 1% of our federal budget goes to Ukraine defense-aid, 90% of which never leaves our own country, and pays the salaries of the U.S. workers who are updating and expanding our U.S. military arsenal.
Meanwhile, over 50% of our federal budget is being poured into our collapsing entitlement programs that both parties and presidential candidates refuse to reform, despite our national debt skyrocketing toward $36 trillion. Ukraine is chump change in the grand scheme of things (same with Israel), but the modern right acts like it's what's breaking the bank. Why? Because folks like Tucker Carlson say so?
I'm not in favor of Tucker Carlson position, in my opinion we do have to support Ukraine and Isreal. However, it should be defined as to the future of tax payer dollars in this support.
I have now discussed Ukraine with 10 people within the past two days mostly Democrat voters-sadly they don't even know where Ukraine or Isreal is and they don't care about them. Additionally, they will vote for Harris and Walz because they will take care of them because they are Black. Trump voters will vote Trump regardless as well.
In my opinion, none of the discussions matter or will matter until it impacts the day to day lives of most Americans.
Yes, the money does come back to the bombs and bullets makers here in the US. So, I guess your point of 90% comes back to the US makes sense if you can sleep knowing that Russians, Ukrainian, Isrealies, and Arab’s are the benefactors of our investment of barely 1% of our GDP. Guess no strategy needs to be defined in that case. Maybe Harris will show strength and apply political pressure if she's elected.
>>However, it should be defined as to the future of tax payer dollars in this support.
Why should we commit now to how much we're willing to spend on Ukraine defense aid in the future? We don't do that with Israel.
>>Additionally, they will vote for Harris and Walz because they will take care of them because they are Black.
Huh?
>>In my opinion, none of the discussions matter or will matter until it impacts the day to day lives of most Americans.
I agree that most Americans prioritize what impacts them in their day-to-day lives over foreign policy matters.
>>if you can sleep knowing that Russians, Ukrainian, Isrealies, and Arab’s are the benefactors of our investment of barely 1% of our GDP.
How are Russians a benefactor of Ukrainian defense aid?
Link during latest visit from the Ukrainian and Shapiro signing bombs https://www.850wftl.com/zelensky-signs-bombs-at-a-u-s-munitions-plant/
No, I don't think you are in favor of other people dying. Just trying to make the point of some sort of strategy is needed here. Maybe its a lot more money but how much? Maybe more pressure on economic sanction.
What are we going to do?
>>No, I don't think you are in favor of other people dying.
Cool, because defense aid for Ukraine and Israel is about keeping Ukrainians and Israels alive and free against those illegally attacking and terrorizing their respective countries.
>>Just trying to make the point of some sort of strategy is needed here.
Should U.S. defense aid to Israel be contingent on specific strategies for their survival?
I disagree. Poll after poll from the beginning of the conflict has shown that most Americans approve of our support for Ukraine. What it's not is a TOP issue for most Americans, despite it being a top foreign policy issue globally.
So, when I said they didn't care, it meant in the terms of current top concerns for their day to day. I further explained this below.