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John A. Daly's avatar

American boots on the ground isn't going to happen.

Financially, why would we need an exit strategy? We've been sending defense-aid to Israel since the 1970s. Should we demand an exit strategy for them? No one but the most extreme anti-Israel lefties ever call for one. We recognize Israel as a democratic ally who is under constant threat and attack from their neighbors. If one day that threat goes away, our financial support will as well (or at least be significantly reduced).

>>From your statement it would appear you support more tax payer support without a timeline or objective.

The objective is Ukraine sovereignty -- its right to exist as a free nation. Same with Israel. Declaring an arbitrary end date for our support of these countries only lets their attackers know how much longer they need to hold out.

>>How much more do we pour in and for how long?

Again, around 1% of our federal budget goes to Ukraine defense-aid, 90% of which never leaves our own country, and pays the salaries of the U.S. workers who are updating and expanding our U.S. military arsenal.

Meanwhile, over 50% of our federal budget is being poured into our collapsing entitlement programs that both parties and presidential candidates refuse to reform, despite our national debt skyrocketing toward $36 trillion. Ukraine is chump change in the grand scheme of things (same with Israel), but the modern right acts like it's what's breaking the bank. Why? Because folks like Tucker Carlson say so?

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David Meltzer's avatar

I'm not in favor of Tucker Carlson position, in my opinion we do have to support Ukraine and Isreal. However, it should be defined as to the future of tax payer dollars in this support.

I have now discussed Ukraine with 10 people within the past two days mostly Democrat voters-sadly they don't even know where Ukraine or Isreal is and they don't care about them. Additionally, they will vote for Harris and Walz because they will take care of them because they are Black. Trump voters will vote Trump regardless as well.

In my opinion, none of the discussions matter or will matter until it impacts the day to day lives of most Americans.

Yes, the money does come back to the bombs and bullets makers here in the US. So, I guess your point of 90% comes back to the US makes sense if you can sleep knowing that Russians, Ukrainian, Isrealies, and Arab’s are the benefactors of our investment of barely 1% of our GDP. Guess no strategy needs to be defined in that case. Maybe Harris will show strength and apply political pressure if she's elected.

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John A. Daly's avatar

>>However, it should be defined as to the future of tax payer dollars in this support.

Why should we commit now to how much we're willing to spend on Ukraine defense aid in the future? We don't do that with Israel.

>>Additionally, they will vote for Harris and Walz because they will take care of them because they are Black.

Huh?

>>In my opinion, none of the discussions matter or will matter until it impacts the day to day lives of most Americans.

I agree that most Americans prioritize what impacts them in their day-to-day lives over foreign policy matters.

>>if you can sleep knowing that Russians, Ukrainian, Isrealies, and Arab’s are the benefactors of our investment of barely 1% of our GDP.

How are Russians a benefactor of Ukrainian defense aid?

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David Meltzer's avatar

Link during latest visit from the Ukrainian and Shapiro signing bombs https://www.850wftl.com/zelensky-signs-bombs-at-a-u-s-munitions-plant/

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David Meltzer's avatar

No, I don't think you are in favor of other people dying. Just trying to make the point of some sort of strategy is needed here. Maybe its a lot more money but how much? Maybe more pressure on economic sanction.

What are we going to do?

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John A. Daly's avatar

>>No, I don't think you are in favor of other people dying.

Cool, because defense aid for Ukraine and Israel is about keeping Ukrainians and Israels alive and free against those illegally attacking and terrorizing their respective countries.

>>Just trying to make the point of some sort of strategy is needed here.

Should U.S. defense aid to Israel be contingent on specific strategies for their survival?

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