I did read the entire piece and I liked it. I well understand about the false electoral votes and that, to me, is the real infraction here. I read Mike Pence's book " So Help Me God", which of course goes into J6 at length, including the false electoral votes that Trump wanted zpencr to sign off on. That was a crime and Trump shouldn't have been elected President again for it but he was and I voted for him as I did not want to vote for Harris or write in Chris Christie.
The notion that uttering one word, after starting a fire and pouring gasoline on it for two straight months, clears Trump from bearing any responsibility in that day's violence, as patently absurd.
Ps I have two nephews like them. I'm pretty sure the younger one was in the J6 riots, but he'll never admit it. He can't find a job now. And the older nephew I'm sure spent a year in prison for rioting in the George Floyd riots, but he'll never admit it. Except he was "hunting and fishing" for a full year except at Christmas and Easter.
I agree Trump is in part responsible, but the ones who rioted are 99% responsible. I always grew up with the fact that NO ONE CAN MAKE YOU DO ANYTHING. They chose to listen to him and come out there (Where did they stay the night before-did Trump put them up at The Ritz? And why not go to some place where it's warm in January? Even Mexico.) The rioters weren't thd brightest tools in the toolbox, but THEY ARE ADULTS and responsible for their own choices.
<Senator Ted Cruz repeatedly (at least 17 times) called January 6 a “terrorist attack,” and described it as “a shocking assault on our democratic system.”>
It was so amusing to see Sen. Cruz grovel on Tucker Carlson's show, trying to say that he was confused and mistaken when heh repeatedly uttered those words. With head bowed, he allowed Tucker to whip him.
I just hope Turley is being paid BIG bucks by FNC.
Few humiliate themselves at the level Ted Cruz does. Whenever he takes an honorable position on anything, he inevitably ends up dropping to his knees to make atonement for doing so.
Aren't the dems so bad that the public decided anybody but them even if it's the possible insurrectnest,Trump? So it's now a storm cloud that's dissipating without the lightning or rain. Your point about Mr. Turley or his take on it just doesn't matter in public opinion. I agree Mr.Turley does what you say which you explained very well but still for me he's interesting.
Oh, the Dems are plenty bad, but more broadly our elections (at least our presidential elections) have become opposition waves against whoever's in power.
Former Republican Senator Ben Sasse said it well a few years ago:
"The only thing that happens in American elections right now is that someone loses. No one wins. It isn’t hard to understand this unless you’re a politically-addicted weirdo who watches cable news all day, or lives on blue-checkmark political Twitter, or is an officeholder yourself who got warped into thinking that you should stay forever in politics… Most of the American people know that politics right now is not aspirationally persuading anyone. What happens in every single election is: somebody overreaches, and then you have a backlash.”
As we saw last month, that sentiment trumps virtually everything... including an individual's efforts to overturn U.S. democracy and their provocation of a deadly insurrection. And I'm fully aware that my take on Turley isn't impactful in the arena of public opinion (virtually nothing I write is), but I nonetheless weigh in on things I believe are important.
John - we've had many disagreements, so I tried to take a fresh look at your positions hoping to see a refresh given updated facts on your opinions.
1) excellent outline, well written.
2) Your constant refrain about the legitimacy of the J6 committee is a joke and undermines your arguments. It was a completely one sided liberal fantasy, TV-produced side show, where they used a committee investigation format to convince weak-minded watchers (like yourself) that it was somehow legitimate. The committee was completely tilted to ultra-liberals preconceived views using two ringers, Les Cheney and the cry-baby congressman from Illinois, Adam Kinzinger, both never Trumpers, as some balancing feature, sorry no balance. The video was all selectively edited by Hollywood fantasy producers. It never even included the Nancy Pelosi Mea Copa video produced by her own daughter the day after the rebellion. So get real about Jan6 committee legitimacy, or a least acknowledge it WAS NOT balanced in any fashion.
3) your use of all the legal system loses as a legitamacy lever is really questionable, given the recent WH organized law fare outcomes against Trump. It seems obvious that a managed effort to shop for liberal judges can result in any given outcome, particularly in State courts so corrupt like NY. At its' best, today's US legal system, unfortunately has reduced to a coin flip, or in Hunter's case, just a process his Daddy can always corrupt with a generous pardon.
4) I think I will stop there and say I do appreciate your attempt to legitimize your views and taking on Turley. But since your foundation so weak, Turley WINS, Daly LOSES.
LOL. Bob, let's be clear. What we have aren't "disagreements." What we have is this pitiful cycle:
1. I write an honest, fact-based opinion piece from a conservative perspective.
2. You ignore every argument I make (half of the time confusing me for Bernie, because you don't bother reading the byline), assign me a whole bunch of demonstrably false positions, motivations, and ideological views, insult me, lie about me, call me names, and sometimes even accuse me of literal attempted murder of a former president.
3. I mildly and appropriately mock you for your dishonesty and refusal to conduct yourself like an adult.
4. You clutch your pearls, curl up in a defensive ball, and illustrate a profound incapacity to recognize irony and hypocrisy by complaining that you've just been insulted, and arguing that your far more inflammatory insults (and outright defamation) of me should go unanswered because you're a patron of this website. You've also lately taken to declaring that you've left the site in protest, which you clearly haven't.
I heard Trumpsay to demonstrate peacefully that day.
Did you not read the piece?
I heard it on the news that day.
My point is that I specifically addressed this topic (at length) in my piece. I'm curious what you think about my take on it.
I did read the entire piece and I liked it. I well understand about the false electoral votes and that, to me, is the real infraction here. I read Mike Pence's book " So Help Me God", which of course goes into J6 at length, including the false electoral votes that Trump wanted zpencr to sign off on. That was a crime and Trump shouldn't have been elected President again for it but he was and I voted for him as I did not want to vote for Harris or write in Chris Christie.
I'm talking about the "peaceful" part.
The notion that uttering one word, after starting a fire and pouring gasoline on it for two straight months, clears Trump from bearing any responsibility in that day's violence, as patently absurd.
Ps I have two nephews like them. I'm pretty sure the younger one was in the J6 riots, but he'll never admit it. He can't find a job now. And the older nephew I'm sure spent a year in prison for rioting in the George Floyd riots, but he'll never admit it. Except he was "hunting and fishing" for a full year except at Christmas and Easter.
I agree Trump is in part responsible, but the ones who rioted are 99% responsible. I always grew up with the fact that NO ONE CAN MAKE YOU DO ANYTHING. They chose to listen to him and come out there (Where did they stay the night before-did Trump put them up at The Ritz? And why not go to some place where it's warm in January? Even Mexico.) The rioters weren't thd brightest tools in the toolbox, but THEY ARE ADULTS and responsible for their own choices.
<Senator Ted Cruz repeatedly (at least 17 times) called January 6 a “terrorist attack,” and described it as “a shocking assault on our democratic system.”>
It was so amusing to see Sen. Cruz grovel on Tucker Carlson's show, trying to say that he was confused and mistaken when heh repeatedly uttered those words. With head bowed, he allowed Tucker to whip him.
I just hope Turley is being paid BIG bucks by FNC.
Few humiliate themselves at the level Ted Cruz does. Whenever he takes an honorable position on anything, he inevitably ends up dropping to his knees to make atonement for doing so.
Aren't the dems so bad that the public decided anybody but them even if it's the possible insurrectnest,Trump? So it's now a storm cloud that's dissipating without the lightning or rain. Your point about Mr. Turley or his take on it just doesn't matter in public opinion. I agree Mr.Turley does what you say which you explained very well but still for me he's interesting.
Oh, the Dems are plenty bad, but more broadly our elections (at least our presidential elections) have become opposition waves against whoever's in power.
Former Republican Senator Ben Sasse said it well a few years ago:
"The only thing that happens in American elections right now is that someone loses. No one wins. It isn’t hard to understand this unless you’re a politically-addicted weirdo who watches cable news all day, or lives on blue-checkmark political Twitter, or is an officeholder yourself who got warped into thinking that you should stay forever in politics… Most of the American people know that politics right now is not aspirationally persuading anyone. What happens in every single election is: somebody overreaches, and then you have a backlash.”
As we saw last month, that sentiment trumps virtually everything... including an individual's efforts to overturn U.S. democracy and their provocation of a deadly insurrection. And I'm fully aware that my take on Turley isn't impactful in the arena of public opinion (virtually nothing I write is), but I nonetheless weigh in on things I believe are important.
John - we've had many disagreements, so I tried to take a fresh look at your positions hoping to see a refresh given updated facts on your opinions.
1) excellent outline, well written.
2) Your constant refrain about the legitimacy of the J6 committee is a joke and undermines your arguments. It was a completely one sided liberal fantasy, TV-produced side show, where they used a committee investigation format to convince weak-minded watchers (like yourself) that it was somehow legitimate. The committee was completely tilted to ultra-liberals preconceived views using two ringers, Les Cheney and the cry-baby congressman from Illinois, Adam Kinzinger, both never Trumpers, as some balancing feature, sorry no balance. The video was all selectively edited by Hollywood fantasy producers. It never even included the Nancy Pelosi Mea Copa video produced by her own daughter the day after the rebellion. So get real about Jan6 committee legitimacy, or a least acknowledge it WAS NOT balanced in any fashion.
3) your use of all the legal system loses as a legitamacy lever is really questionable, given the recent WH organized law fare outcomes against Trump. It seems obvious that a managed effort to shop for liberal judges can result in any given outcome, particularly in State courts so corrupt like NY. At its' best, today's US legal system, unfortunately has reduced to a coin flip, or in Hunter's case, just a process his Daddy can always corrupt with a generous pardon.
4) I think I will stop there and say I do appreciate your attempt to legitimize your views and taking on Turley. But since your foundation so weak, Turley WINS, Daly LOSES.
5) let the insults begin. BR
Bob Ricketts
Aliso Viejo CA
>>John - we've had many disagreements
LOL. Bob, let's be clear. What we have aren't "disagreements." What we have is this pitiful cycle:
1. I write an honest, fact-based opinion piece from a conservative perspective.
2. You ignore every argument I make (half of the time confusing me for Bernie, because you don't bother reading the byline), assign me a whole bunch of demonstrably false positions, motivations, and ideological views, insult me, lie about me, call me names, and sometimes even accuse me of literal attempted murder of a former president.
3. I mildly and appropriately mock you for your dishonesty and refusal to conduct yourself like an adult.
4. You clutch your pearls, curl up in a defensive ball, and illustrate a profound incapacity to recognize irony and hypocrisy by complaining that you've just been insulted, and arguing that your far more inflammatory insults (and outright defamation) of me should go unanswered because you're a patron of this website. You've also lately taken to declaring that you've left the site in protest, which you clearly haven't.
Did I miss anything, Bob?
John Daly
Greeley CO
Bob, you should have stopped after point #1.
Welcome, Gil!