Scout's honor! I also think the same of John Kasich, Clarence Thomas, Pat Buchanan and many others whose politics or thinking I adamantly disagree with. I even think that of certain hardcore MAGAites I know.
That's not to say that they don't have certain serious flaws or lapses in judgment., but their decency is overriding.
Here, we are talking about personal traits, not politics.
I also think the same of Sen. Romney, even though he was obviously dishonest on the 2012 campaign trail and my understanding is that he was most disingenuous when running against then Sen Ted Kennedy in (I think it was) 1994.
If you're talking about his saying that he doesn't and hasn't talked to Hunter about his business, I don't know that it's a lie. It's quite possibly true.
If you're talking about Pres. Biden saying Hunter has done nothing wrong, I think that's understandably defensive and, yes, a lie. But it doesn't undermine his general character.
Have you ever told a lie to defend a member of your immediate family who you think is being unfairly maligned or questioned?
I'm 90+% certain that Justice Thomas lied in his congressional testimony at his confirmation hearing and is a black mark on his record, I don't think that upends his over-all character, however.
I'm not sure if I read the entire piece. What I saw were three alleged lies.
I heard about the lie about fracking before. I don't condone it. Obviously, it was wrong. Again, if that was what he said and what he said before, he should learn when to STFU - he needs to know when to use his head, not his mouth.
As to his dissing that NY Post article, referring to that letter from former members of the U.S. intelligence community, it was fundamentally an opinion, not a statement of fact. The letter dissed the credibility of the NY Post story, basically saying that it was unworthy of belief and that it sounds like Soviet disinformation.
In other words, the over-all letter (including the disclaimer) said that the Post story might possibly be accurate and that the e-mails might possibly be authentic but that the Post did not properly vet the story and, accordingly, it was unworthy of belief. In fact, as I recall, no one's name appeared on the Post story, which was unusual. I may be mistaken on that, but it's my recollection.
Some right-wingers even echoed Biden's remarks about that letter but in an accusatory manner.
As for the minimum wage comment, I didn't read the story supposedly putting "a le" to Biden's remark.
That's fundamentally an opinion I've heard from economists and pundits. Frequently, there's an exemption in the minimum wage laws regarding tipped workers.
The writer of that piece seemed to be working backwards - "Gee let's wee, I know Pres. Biden is a serial liar, what examples can I scrape together?"
All too often, ideologues like to diss their opponents character by trying to portray their opinions as statements of fact.
Because I'm not a subscriber, I could only read the first few sentences. The many times I've heard Pres. Biden' "verbal tic" - "not a joke" - it's been preceded by some hard hitting polemic. Of course, a polemic is not a lie, it's an opinion. I guess the writer thinks it's been disproven that Biden went to Mass in HS. If so, I couldn't read that part.
I consume far more conservative and right-wing news media than I do liberal or left-wing news media. And yes, I've heard countless pundits mouth that Biden is a serial liar, etc. on countless occasions. Just because something with a few kernels of truth is repeated ad nauseum doesn't make it more true. Yes, he sometimes he is amoral in giving details, and this sometimes results in lies.
We all know that Pres. Biden's mouth frequently works much faster than his brain. He's given to verbal diarrhea.
While I don't condone this and I wish he'd learn when to STFU, this flaw doesn't overwhelm his basic decency, the efforts of an array of right-wingers notwithstanding.
BTW, do you consider Sen. Mitt Romney to be a good, honest, decent American? How about John McCain?
>>Just because something with a few kernels of truth is repeated ad nauseum doesn't make it more true.
More than a few kernels, Bob. This has been going on for years, going back even before his vice-presidency (so it shocks me that I'm breaking news to you). Heck, when Trump was just coming on the political scene, and confidently spewing lies left and right, I used to compare him to Joe Biden in my writing (Trump's far worse of course).
Maybe you didn't read all my posts above. Again, it's well known that Pres. Biden is given to verbal diarrhea. When he is in that mode, he's amoral: he says what is convenient at the moment and forgets about it - in this way he's similar to Trump as you suggest.
But, Biden's lies are largely inconsequential. Who gives a Fck if he went to law school on a full scholarship or a partial one or if he drove an 8-wheeeler or if he went to Mass in HS or about his grandfather's death ?
I get it: if someone distorts the truth regarding trivia, what else does he distort? But I haven't known him to distort the truth about important matters much. Yes, his position on fracking was an imp. matter, if that is what happened. But if you tar him because of that, what do you do with John McCain or Sen Mitt Romney?
Perhaps if I had left out the word "honest" and said that Pres. Biden is good, decent American it might have been more apt.
Wait. Honest?
Scout's honor! I also think the same of John Kasich, Clarence Thomas, Pat Buchanan and many others whose politics or thinking I adamantly disagree with. I even think that of certain hardcore MAGAites I know.
That's not to say that they don't have certain serious flaws or lapses in judgment., but their decency is overriding.
Here, we are talking about personal traits, not politics.
Bob, Biden makes up stuff all the time. Are you suggesting that he believes what he makes up?
I also think the same of Sen. Romney, even though he was obviously dishonest on the 2012 campaign trail and my understanding is that he was most disingenuous when running against then Sen Ted Kennedy in (I think it was) 1994.
Give me some examples.
If you're talking about his saying that he doesn't and hasn't talked to Hunter about his business, I don't know that it's a lie. It's quite possibly true.
If you're talking about Pres. Biden saying Hunter has done nothing wrong, I think that's understandably defensive and, yes, a lie. But it doesn't undermine his general character.
Have you ever told a lie to defend a member of your immediate family who you think is being unfairly maligned or questioned?
I'm 90+% certain that Justice Thomas lied in his congressional testimony at his confirmation hearing and is a black mark on his record, I don't think that upends his over-all character, however.
He has told countless lies, for example, about his past and biography. This can't be news to you. https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/09/all-the-presidents-tells-how-to-spot-a-biden-lie/
There's been much more, of course. https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/biden-lies-again-and-again/
I'm not sure if I read the entire piece. What I saw were three alleged lies.
I heard about the lie about fracking before. I don't condone it. Obviously, it was wrong. Again, if that was what he said and what he said before, he should learn when to STFU - he needs to know when to use his head, not his mouth.
As to his dissing that NY Post article, referring to that letter from former members of the U.S. intelligence community, it was fundamentally an opinion, not a statement of fact. The letter dissed the credibility of the NY Post story, basically saying that it was unworthy of belief and that it sounds like Soviet disinformation.
In other words, the over-all letter (including the disclaimer) said that the Post story might possibly be accurate and that the e-mails might possibly be authentic but that the Post did not properly vet the story and, accordingly, it was unworthy of belief. In fact, as I recall, no one's name appeared on the Post story, which was unusual. I may be mistaken on that, but it's my recollection.
Some right-wingers even echoed Biden's remarks about that letter but in an accusatory manner.
As for the minimum wage comment, I didn't read the story supposedly putting "a le" to Biden's remark.
That's fundamentally an opinion I've heard from economists and pundits. Frequently, there's an exemption in the minimum wage laws regarding tipped workers.
The writer of that piece seemed to be working backwards - "Gee let's wee, I know Pres. Biden is a serial liar, what examples can I scrape together?"
All too often, ideologues like to diss their opponents character by trying to portray their opinions as statements of fact.
Because I'm not a subscriber, I could only read the first few sentences. The many times I've heard Pres. Biden' "verbal tic" - "not a joke" - it's been preceded by some hard hitting polemic. Of course, a polemic is not a lie, it's an opinion. I guess the writer thinks it's been disproven that Biden went to Mass in HS. If so, I couldn't read that part.
I consume far more conservative and right-wing news media than I do liberal or left-wing news media. And yes, I've heard countless pundits mouth that Biden is a serial liar, etc. on countless occasions. Just because something with a few kernels of truth is repeated ad nauseum doesn't make it more true. Yes, he sometimes he is amoral in giving details, and this sometimes results in lies.
We all know that Pres. Biden's mouth frequently works much faster than his brain. He's given to verbal diarrhea.
While I don't condone this and I wish he'd learn when to STFU, this flaw doesn't overwhelm his basic decency, the efforts of an array of right-wingers notwithstanding.
BTW, do you consider Sen. Mitt Romney to be a good, honest, decent American? How about John McCain?
>>Just because something with a few kernels of truth is repeated ad nauseum doesn't make it more true.
More than a few kernels, Bob. This has been going on for years, going back even before his vice-presidency (so it shocks me that I'm breaking news to you). Heck, when Trump was just coming on the political scene, and confidently spewing lies left and right, I used to compare him to Joe Biden in my writing (Trump's far worse of course).
All it takes is a Google search:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p7NQKgPApI
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/499065-lies-damned-lies-and-the-truth-about-joe-biden/
Maybe you didn't read all my posts above. Again, it's well known that Pres. Biden is given to verbal diarrhea. When he is in that mode, he's amoral: he says what is convenient at the moment and forgets about it - in this way he's similar to Trump as you suggest.
But, Biden's lies are largely inconsequential. Who gives a Fck if he went to law school on a full scholarship or a partial one or if he drove an 8-wheeeler or if he went to Mass in HS or about his grandfather's death ?
I get it: if someone distorts the truth regarding trivia, what else does he distort? But I haven't known him to distort the truth about important matters much. Yes, his position on fracking was an imp. matter, if that is what happened. But if you tar him because of that, what do you do with John McCain or Sen Mitt Romney?
Perhaps if I had left out the word "honest" and said that Pres. Biden is good, decent American it might have been more apt.