The Elite Liberal Softer Kind of Racism

Am I Next?I don’t know what happened in Ferguson, Missouri between the cop and the kid. And neither do you. When I covered hard news I saw cops who crossed the line and I saw kids who started trouble. So let’s not jump to conclusions.

But what do you think the reaction in Ferguson would have been if the kid who got shot was black and so was the cop? Or if the kid was white and the cop was black — or white? You think there would have been demonstrations and riots and an onslaught of national media?

I recently wrote a column in this space about the trouble in Gaza and I quoted the conservative thinker Victor Davis Hanson on how the sophisticates in Europe and America wail when Israelis kill Arabs who wage war on them, but are silent when Arabs kill Arabs: “Apparently the West, in racist fashion, assumes that killing one another is what Arabs do best. But when Israelis kill those who wish to kill them, outrage follows.”

It’s pretty much the same when blacks kill blacks, isn’t it? It happens all the time in big cities like Chicago. No one riots because a black kid killed a black kid. National news organizations don’t show up to do live shots day and night. It’s as if we’re saying: “Blacks killing one another is what blacks do best.” How’s that for racism! Not the old fashioned KKK kind. No, this is elite liberal racism, the supposedly softer variety.

And Al Sharpton doesn’t jump on a plane to show up when a black thug kills a white victim. He’s not in business to protest that kind of crime. Some people just can’t get past the bad old days. They need to feel that America is still a simmering racist country. They need to feel that black kids are being hunted down like rabid dogs by modern day Bull Connors. In a perverse way, it makes them feel good – maybe “relevant” is a better word – to think that nothing has changed in America since the March on Selma.

But they are partly right, those who think young black men are in the crosshairs. According to the Justice Department’s latest statistics (2005), although African-Americans make up 13 percent of the population, they represent 49 percent of the nation’s homicide victims – and 93 percent of those black victims were killed by other black people.

That doesn’t mean that all white cops are angels who don’t harbor any racial animus.  But when it comes to crime, nasty white cops aren’t what’s plaguing black America.

I’m pretty sure if George Zimmerman had been black, we’d never know the name Trayvon Martin. And if 18-year old Michael Brown were white, we probably wouldn’t know his name, either … and neither national news reporters nor the civil rights establishment would even know what state Ferguson is in.

Members of the African-American elite, along with many white liberals, have said we don’t put enough value on the lives of young black men. They certainly don’t. Or they’d have a lot more to say when a black kid gets shot in the street – by another kid who is black.

 

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  • Fatuousone Fatuousone

    The Elite Liberal Softer Kind of Racism

    Lily White Liberals turn a BLIND EYE to BLACK on BLACK
    VIOLENT CRIME

    No one riots because a black kid killed a black kid.
    National news organizations don’t show up to do live shots day and night. It’s
    as if we’re saying: “Blacks killing one another is what blacks do best.” How’s
    that for racism! Not the old fashioned KKK kind. No, this is elite liberal
    racism, the supposedly softer variety. And Al Sharpton doesn’t jump on a plane
    to show up when a black thug kills a white victim. He’s not in business to
    protest that kind of crime. Some people just can’t get past the bad old days.
    They need to feel that America is still a simmering racist country. They need
    to feel that black kids are being hunted down like rabid dogs by modern day
    Bull Connors. In a perverse way, it makes them feel good – maybe “relevant” is
    a better word – to think that nothing has changed in America since the March on
    Selma. But they are partly right, those who think young black men are in the
    crosshairs. According to the Justice Department’s latest statistics (2005), although
    African-Americans make up 13 percent of the population, they represent 49
    percent of the nation’s homicide victims – and 93 percent of those black
    victims were killed by other black people.

    See more at: http://bernardgoldberg.com/elite-liberal-softer-gentler-kind-racism/#sthash.0ivnBwfD.dpuf

    NATIONAL ASSOCIATION for the ADVANCEMENT of WHITE PEOPLE
    ASSOCIATION for the ADVANVEMENT of WHITE PEOPLE

  • potemkin_village_usa

    BERNIE AND DINESH NAILED IT!
    Objectivity and Critical thinking have been steadily replaced by indoctrination by ideologues in the nation’s classrooms. (Please read ‘Illiberal Education’ by Dinesh D’Souza).
    NOTE: These same bastions of higher education are where we get the steady stream of freshly minted, indoctrinated, politically correct, ‘slobbering love affair’ journalists.

  • HobartStinson

    Journalism is the bottom-line culprit. They choose to run, or not to run, stories based on their collective and warped ideology. With the exception of the conservative media in Fox News, internet, etc.

    Until this turns around our nation is toast.

  • buckrodgers

    In America their are two kinds journalists, some are very hard working and honest,while others are clowns who walk around with a press card in one hand and a worthless Pulitzer in the other, always ready to start a riot or get an innocent person killed, just to get a story, Americans don’t know the difference between hard news and commentary, s when somebody goes on the air and spouts out lies and innuendoes, somebody can get hurt and we saw a bunch of hooligans in the press out to cause trouble, declaring a police officer guilty before their is even an investigation is nothing more then garbage journalist putting out the address of a police officer has no journalistic value what so ever it was meant to get the man hurt, a mob trying to get vigilante justice, is fodder for some clown journalist, looking to justify his worthless job, unfortunaly were seeing it more and more and it is affecting innocent people lives, Obamacare may have been repealed if Candy Crowley din’t interfear in the debate between

    • macveen

      Americans know the difference between hard news and opinion. All media corporations have agendas and surreptitiously push them as best they can to win hearts and minds.

  • MARK TRAINA

    TURNER BROADCASTING SERVICE DOWNGRADE in AUGUST 2014

    In response to a MAJOR DECREASE in VIEWER and SPONSERSHIP TURNER BROADCASTING announces RIF of over 550 EMPLOYEES at CNN and HLN!

    http://nypost.com/2014/08/25/turner-axing-550-cable-staffers-to-free-up-cash/

    NAAWP BOYCOTTS are in EFFECT and are WORKING in AUGUST of 2014

    “The MAINSTREAM LIBERAL MEDIA does not VALUE WHITE PEOPLE, WHITE OWNED BUSINESSES or WHITE LIFE!” (NAAWP)

    NATIONAL ASSOCIATION for the ADVANCEMENT of WHITE PEOPLE – 2014

  • scott autry

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1ka4oKu1jo

    Look at the size of that guy. Look how uncooperative he was and how he was working himself into anger. — Also look how the guy who shot the video edited out something just before the first cop laid a hand on him. — And look at how NY city elected officials react to the video…

    It doesn’t pay to be a cop in a city any more – at least not in a high crime area.

    Cops face situations like this all the time. And if it goes bad, anything can happen to your career or in a civil suit or even being put on trial for a major crime…

    The guy was approached for illegally selling cigarettes. He refuses to comply with questions and verbal commands. He works himself up into anger. He’s a mammoth dude. But, the cops are murders and executioners for taking him to the ground.

    They should have known he had asthma and health issues…

    Or they should have just left him alone and gone about their business once he refused to cooperate – and it shouldn’t matter if he’d committed a crime or not.

    And yet again, if this guy had been white, it wouldn’t have been much of a story…

    One of the people I got to know the year I was a cop was a schizophrenic black guy about this guys size but fatter. I went to multiple calls where he was in a fast food restaurant or shopping center or a parking lot of one of those and someone would call because he was screaming at people.

    At that time I thought, if this ever goes bad, it won’t be pretty. You never know how a mentally ill person is going to act, and it was going to take a lot of effort by multiple people to get him subdued. The chance of getting injured was significant. And – he’d be chalked up in the press as an unarmed black male… But, you had no choice: You knew it was only a matter of weeks or days before you’d be called to a scene again to deal with him – and have another roll of the dice…

    On another call, another black man this size had his live in girlfriend barricaded in the bathroom afraid to come out – from which she’d called 911.

    The guy wouldn’t cooperate. He wouldn’t let us in the apartment. Once one of us got in, he refused to let us check the bathroom – blocking our way.

    He kept saying his relative was on the city council and he’d have our jobs if we didn’t go away…

    Finally, one officer gave the verbal signal we’d all been trained on that meant he was going to lay hands on the guy to get him cuffed. We all moved in.

    The guy still wouldn’t comply but I was already in the process of taking out pepper spray. The other cops followed my lead, and then the guy did what we asked and let us cuff him and then get his girlfriend out of the bathroom…

    Why did he do it then? Most likely because he knew we’d be more reluctant to get in a fight with him, because he did stand some percentage of a chance getting us in big trouble but, also knew we were more likely to have no trouble if we hit him with pepper spray…

    Like I said, it doesn’t pay to be a cop these days – at least not in a high crime area…

    • scott autry

      http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/23/us-usa-new-york-chokehold-idUSKBN0GN0KD20140823

      Also notice how Reuters didn’t tell you why the cops were around the guy or that he was huge until the last two paragraphs of this long article…

    • macveen

      BULLSHIT! This guy posed very little real threat to any cop. The 1st cop just decided to take him down and out, which proved very easy to do. After that, it was 6 on 1. There was 3% possibility that any cop would be seriously threatened or harmed in any way, yet this guy lost his life. His death was simply due to police aggression and the backward mindset toward brutality as solution for everything. These cops were dead wrong to jump on the guy and kill him

      Normal citizens should arm themselves appropriately now days against overzealous police/gov’t agents. The life you save might be your own.

      From a hard core Libertarian/Republican…….

      • scott autry

        Being libetarian doesn’t mean your blind or that law breakers are more important to the society than law enforcement.

        The man was being questioned about breaking the law. HE was taking a hostile attitude. Conveniently, the video is edited just before the police laid hands on the guy. He still refused to cooperate. He was taken to the ground to be handcuffed.

        Your attitude is guaranteed to cause more confrontations and does a lot to help fuel the contempt for law and order. That’s why I’m responding.

        It took me a long time to realize that the meme about “don’t rat” – about not telling the truth to the police or law enforcement if someone you know has broken the law – is BS.

        The “I’m no rat” attitude only makes things comfortable for people who want to break the law – makes them freer to do things that help make your community less safe and less appealing to live in.

        Your version of the libertarianism above does the same thing.

        It is the giant thugs right to do whatever he wants on the sidewalk. And if cops dare to question him, it is only right that he should get pissed off and let them know it and refuse to cooperate.

        Just do what the man says – Leave the poor citizen alone!!

        If he was breaking the law or not – it is none of the cops business.

        If he doesn’t want to answer questions concerning his actions, that is his right as a citizen!

        I’m sure that is exactly the kind of mindset that got the guy in Mo killed – but – of course – that was just a murder too, right?

        And if the police and other law enforcement were to behave as you like – with freedom of the citizen being of such paramount importance that thugs and other people can resist any encroachment on the time and space – I’m sure we’ll live in a much better society. I mean, it is cops and the government who are ruining out cities, right? Not crime, right?

  • Ryan Nichols

    As long as it’s acceptable for the democrat party to use race as a political tool to get support we will be a divided people. You can’t have a party that represents the people falsely claiming that they are the party for a race. And that their opposition is racist. And all the policies they support are meant to harm the minorities.
    The democrat party can’t try and divide the people based on accusations of racism, and not expect it not to carry over to just a broad race relations tinderbox. Every time some democrat or liberal media race baiter makes unfairly claims someone or something is racist. Several million people believe it to be factual, not the disgusting political move to bring attention and pressure to the situation that it is.
    It’s really sad but maybe America wasn’t ready for a black president. I don’t believe that, I believe we just didn’t get the right black man. I believe if we would have got a true leader and a man or woman who loves his country, and is proud of his country. And one who wants to look forward, not trying to right percieved wrongs or live in the past. Most importantly a person who wants and does represent all the people, not a voter base. If that black man was elected, I believe we would trust our leadership. And confronting real racism together as one people standing together.
    We’re on the edge right of all hell breaking loose. If that cop isn’t indicted it will hit the fan, even if he is indicted but found not guilty I think it will happen.
    These are scary times. I’m saddened and afraid for my children, this shouldn’t be the America they grow up in. We’re so much better than this.

  • scott autry

    For the record: My earlier mention of Poverty vs Family was not a direct rip off of The Heritage Foundation…

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/08/poverty_is_not_the_cause_of_criminal_behavior.html

  • scott autry

    “The total of black Americans who believe the protests have been just right or have not gone far enough is 49%.”

    That is encouraging to me. It means “social justice” education and the brainwashing by The Media, academia, and Hollywood hasn’t gotten as far along as I might have thought — since – it appears – if you had a group of black people in a room discussing this, at least half of them would disagree with the violent protests. (Poor Paul Mooney must be crying in his Wheaties…)

    2 decades from now, if The Right doesn’t get active in trying to reverse the trend in turning education – at all levels – into indoctrination like they have at many universities – and more active in fighting for intellectual diversity in the Media and in Hollywood – those numbers will be worse…

    I do agree with this, though: “The Times did report that “most whites [are] reserving judgment on whether the fatal shooting of the teenager, Michael Brown, in Ferguson, Mo., was justified. Most blacks say it was not.”

    Of all the terrible things to be racially divided on, waiting for the facts before demanding a scalp is the most disheartening.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2014/08/22/only-15-percent0white-americans-back-ferguson-protests

    • scott autry

      Wait — I don’t agree that it is the most disheartening. It is a sign of prejudice, and that’s not good, but having such a prejudice that it leads you to riot in the streets – or clap your hands while watching riots on TV – is far more disturbing than a passive pre-judging…

  • scott autry

    I’ve never liked Rush Limbaugh. Back when I first heard him, he sounded like a snake-oil salesman. He reminded me of Robert Tilton. And today, I sometimes wish he wasn’t viewed as speaking for my side… Like in the BJ piece linked below where he links the Mo. guy to Rodney King… —sigh—

    There was a huge reason police dept across the country changed how they trained their officers to respond to failure to comply with commands and/or physical resistance.

    Before any resistance could be met with use of force – so – every time King twitched – they hit him with a baton – and pointed to their training. After, you were to apply a level of force one stage above the level of resistance.

    So, no matter what kind of resistance King had offered off camera, once he was knocked silly and unable to continue that level of resistance, he should have been subdued physically as the batons were put away…

    After watching the Rodney King video, I can’t fathom how anyone would not think this a sensible change in procedures and training…

    I don’t like that Limbaugh is viewed by so many – Left and Right – as speaking for the Right…

  • Brian Stover

    Without having all the facts I have a question:
    Could the officer involved used a taser instead of a gun?

    Just asking.

    • scott autry

      You need more information. It depends. Not all departments have tasers. Tasers are also a one-shot thing. If the electrodes don’t both attach, its useless. And just like a pistol, its not that easy to hit a moving target.

      Pepper spray is more widespread in usage. It also doesn’t need as much accuracy as a taser. But, if you are alone with a suspect who is attacking you, there is no guarantee it is going to prevent him from gaining the upper hand. Pepper spray also comes with a blow back factor which could make it harder for you to defend yourself…

      Collapsible batons are also widely used, but like with pepper spray, there is no guarantee deploying one, especially if by yourself, will be enough to stop a determined aggressor.

      How close the suspect was to the cop is a key factor.

      The closer he was, the less effective PS, a taser, or baton would have been…

      If you are alone on a scene, and a suspect significantly bigger than you decides to go physical, and he’s tried to grab at your gun, you’re in a very bad spot as a cop…

      …which is why on a call of a crime in progress, it is better to wait for backup to get close to the scene before getting yourself involved – but – in smaller PDs, officers might not have the option of nearby backup…

      • Brian Stover

        You make some good points, Scott.
        I did say that I did not have all the facts.
        In terms of backup, though Ferguson may not have a large number of officers, there is also not a large amount of territory to cover, making a request for backup something that could have been answered in a reasonable amount of time IF backup were requested.
        Was backup requested? I don’t know.

        • scott autry

          I can’t speak for that department or what happened.

          Where I worked, 2 cars were sent to any call – unless it was some citizen reporting a crime that happened in the past. If you were the primary officer, and the call turned out to be just reporting a cold crime, you might call the other responding car off.

          If the call were active – like a domestic dispute – or there was a chance the suspect was still on or near the scene – so guys might roll up alone knowing backup was on the way – but what the PD preferred was you park down the road or around the corner and wait for the other unit to arrive – then you both went in.

          I’d have to hear what the SOPs were for this particular PD.

          For example, in one precinct I worked in, on night duty, every traffic stop required a second unit going to the scene. In the other precinct I worked, on a routine traffic stop, units usually told dispatch not to send another unit.

          But, we don’t know how many units were on the street there and what not.

          And even in a city with more units, you can have occasions where nearby units are busy on other calls. On some occasions. you couldn’t get air time to broadcast a message because something going down somewhere else would result in too much air traffic…

          In short, we need details. But, the media doesn’t give a crap.

          They made up their minds what was what as soon as they heard the color of both men’s skins and that the suspect was unarmed.

          And, as usual, they are reluctant to announce information that might take away from the narrative they want to sell everyone…

          • scott autry

            Also, it wasn’t too unusual in the city I worked, that had a high crime rate, for calls to stack up because patrol units in the precinct were out on other calls. Occasionally, you’d ride call after call after call – taking yours and those in nearby patrol areas, because the 911 switchboard would all be lit up…

            Or, if something were going on like a foot or car pursuit, most every unit would be heading to that area to set up a loose perimeter – and you might be alone on your own call…

            It all depends…

  • Steve Fair

    Josh, you’re becoming hysterical. Confident people don’t make repeated posts about how they’ve “smacked someone around”. You guys don’t know how much I enjoy screwing with you.

    • Josh

      The above post was the one I said was up in moderation. You know that. “You guys don’t know how much I enjoy screwing with you.” Damn, do you ever get sick of being wrong? Everybody calls you out for just trolling, stirring the pot, being a hypocrite, setting your own standards, etc. We know exactly how pleasing it is for you and that you do it intentionally. I’m even leaning toward it being a sexual fetish of some sort. No doubt you’re completely drained come the evening.

    • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

      >>Confident people don’t make repeated posts about how they’ve “smacked someone around”.

      Uh, you’ve done the equivalent of that a number of times, Steve.

  • Mike Curtis

    If you don’t have a good family unit and good schools that’s two strikes. And no money for food is the third strike. Parents that don’t care or don’t know what their kids are up to is part of the problem. And we have seen the stories of some educators/adminstrators who are more interested in keeping their funding by having students cheat on tests instead of educating them. Nothing will change unless you tackle the root causes.

  • Seven

    Two parent family does make a huge difference when it comes to poverty. Also having a good basic education and or a trade makes a world of difference too. Jobs are out there. You just have to be able and willing to get them. It’s time to stop the race excuse and solve the real problems. What MAN is really holding you back?

    • scott autry

      “You just have to be able and willing to get them.”

      Which is why I point to immigrants. They generally don’t have much money. But, they find a way to relocate to where the jobs are and secure them. They also generally put forth the effort, discipline, and sacrifice needed to make ends meet, take care of their children, and even send money back home. Of course, this isn’t true for all immigrant families, but it has been a trend for many decades…

  • scott autry

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/08/17/He-Kept-Coming-Toward-Him-Video-in-Aftermath-of-Michael-Brown-Shooting-Describes-the-Incident

    I don’t know if this has been mentioned in the thread already. It’s from Big Journalism and has a citizen video shortly after the shooting as a guy informally questions an eye-witness.

    I got to it from a link at another BJ story where the media review group talks about how the media (and Justice Department) are framing the case. He said the video seemed to undermine the narrative they want to sell…

    …I’m not so sure. The store robbery video, yeah, this other one, not so much.

    The witness apparently says Brown was in the police vehicle then bolted somehow then came back charging it and the cop kept shooting.

    The “charging” probably doesn’t mean much if the guy was unarmed.

    It might if it were just 2 civilians instead of a cop and suspect – especially if the shooter had some sign of injury and was tiny compared to the other guy.

    Even then, whether the shooter would stand trial or not would depend on the mood of the grand jury that day…

    Whether you are a civilian or a cop, to use deadly force, you have to fear your life or the life of another is at stake. It’s hard to convince people of that if the person isn’t armed – regardless of how big he is…

    …unless – it is in a Zimmerman-type situation where the evidence supports your claim the person was in the process of beating the heck out of you and you decided “it was him or me”…

    I was only a cop for a short time – about a year – but I remember having these thoughts back then – That I was going to be leery of drawing my weapon, because once it’s out, your options diminish. Why? Because of what might have happened in this case.

    It seemed many of the bad guys knew what the limits were for cops. They knew we couldn’t chase them unless they’d just committed a violent crime, because the city council was hyper-paranoid about potential lawsuits or property damage if you wrecked the vehicle. So, they’d stomp on the accelerator and we’d radio in we’d broken off the pursuit…Fleeing questioning worked…

    They also seemed to know they stood a much better chance of getting pepper sprayed than shot – so a drawn gun didn’t mean as much to them as a can of that stuff… You got more cooperation if you drew it (with the street-wise criminal types).

    Then, there was a case where an officer emergency call went out – causing every cop in the city to head to the scene – and when I got there, the amount of pepper spray in the air made you cry for yards and yards…and sitting on the grass in a couple pairs of handcuffs was a mammoth dude — about 6 feet and probably over 300 pounds and not just fat. There was also a cop with a badly broken nose and others banged up in trying to subdue the guy.

    And I thought, “I’d have had to shoot him if I’d been the only one on the scene.” And I figured that would be a terrible situation to be in, because it would stand a good chance of going exactly like what we are seeing in Mo…

    In short, the distance from the officers, signs of a physical altercation, and no weapon on the suspect will be the key factors. If the suspect had been right on top of the cop, he’d have a better chance of selling self-defense.

    But, if the guy was a couple dozen yards away and unarmed – even if he was rushing the cop – you might have a hard time convincing a grand jury you shouldn’t be charged with something…

    Which means too – if you aren’t a big sized cop – and you are rushed by someone much bigger – you’re in trouble… Anyone crazy enough to rush you might be crazy enough to outright kill you – and not be content with inflicting a beating… Which is why your encouraged to wait for backup when responding to a call of a crime in progress.

    (I don’t know how big the police department in that town is or whether they send two patrol cars to each call like where I worked.)

    In short, if you’re a cop, you don’t want to be alone at a scene. Too many bad things can happen…

  • scott autry

    http://youtu.be/vT2UOZWuNg4?t=55m55s

    [Comedian Paul Mooney on pride in rioting]

    Yeah, pass those matches out, Paul Mooney – and rest assured – you can’t be a racist – because only white people have power….as he encourages people not just to burn crosses but burn all white America down – and then makes fun of Reginald Denny – the man pulled out of his truck and savagely beaten during the LA riots of the early 1990s…

  • scott autry

    I’m leery of statistics, because they can be bent and twist a variety of ways by the people collecting them and those interpreting them. But, here are some for food for thought on the issue of Poverty vs Family as root cause of many social ills:

    “According to the US Census, in 2007 5.8% of all people in married families lived in poverty, as did 26.6% of all persons in single parent households… More than 75% of all poor households are headed by women (2012)”

    “Among married couple families: 5.8% lived in poverty. This number varied by race and ethnicity as follows: 5.4% of all white persons (which includes white Hispanics), 9.7% of all black persons (which includes black Hispanics),”

    “Among single parent (male or female) families: 26.6% lived in poverty. This number varied by race and ethnicity as follows: 22.5% of all white persons (which includes white Hispanics), 44.0% of all black persons (which includes black Hispanics),”

    So, blacks make up a disproportionate number of those in poverty – being on 13% of the population – but – if you look at households with 2 parents – it drops to 10%.

    And there are far more benefits to having 2 parents in a family than just 2 incomes. I was lucky to have been raised close to both sets of grandparents. So, even though both my parents worked after I turned five, I had plenty of adult supervision and role-models and unconditional love…

    If you want to influence poverty and economic mobility, focus on the family – especially the responsibilities of fathers… and emphasize family values over The Village taking care of everything…

  • buckrodgers

    I while back I asked a feminist reporter, is it all right to disrespect a women as long as I vote Democratic on election say, of course she said no don’t do that, but isn’t exactly what liberals do every single day, they depend on like minded individuals to cover up and downplay what they said and in some cases they rewrite history knowing full well that they will be protected, of course when Fox News or talk radio decides to call them out, they attack the messenger, that’s whats happening in a small town in Missouri, you have a white Democratic governor, who needs the black vote yo win elections,so who do Democrats want to blame,the prosector, the Democratic Party and their friends in the media, depend on race,gender,religion and other forms of baiting, to make sure ethnic voters keep white elitist in power, the Democratic Party has used African Americans as nothing more then a vote, before that, they didn’t want to give them the right to vote and they even tried giving them the vote but not allowing them to use it, If you believe the propaganda put out by the closet racist, who only want power for themselves, you would think that I’m talking about Republicans, but it was Democrats that only gave lip service and a few crumbs to secure the vote, The election of President Obama was the game changer and the Democratic Waterloo,White Democrats can’t afford to criticize a President white controls ninety percent of the African American vote and their political future, while the liberal white media who have justified their own bigotry, by labeling anybody who threatens their dominance or even dares to criticize them a bigot is forced to put halos on the head of America’s first African American President, or find themselves labeled a racist and just like white politicians, out of a job minorities don’t need or want a bunch of white liberals to be their official spokesperson, because the election of President Obama has shown them that they can speak for themselves,, before President Obama can change America, he has to change the face of the Democratic Party.

    • macveen

      You may have tried to make a valid argument, but poor elocution and punctuation makes your statement unintelligible. Next time, breathe deeply, slow down, and write sentences.

  • Mark W.

    I find it interesting when I think back to a seminar on race and racism I participated in during the spring of 1970 at the University of Oregon. My minor was Sociology and a professor brought together a small group of students to participate. Included in the group was a young man named Tommy Anderson, a student and leader of the Black Panther chapter (he later was on the faculty at USC). As a Black Panther, he was very outspoken. By the end of the 12 or 13 weeks, all he could articulate is that white people are racist, whether intentional or by ignorance. But black people are not and cannot be racist. Forty-four years later, apparently some people still believe that. And I am very sorry that so little has been advanced over all those years, with all of the attempts to make things better.

    • scott autry

      They theorized it in the 80s: Race + Power = Racism.

      Watch Dave Chappelle explain it. (link below – around 76 minutes in)

      When the first white student asks a question about Dave pushing boundaries and maybe crossing a line – he succinctly sums up the meme on how everyone with white skin in America is a racist or basically one by default – whether they like it or not – because white people control all the institutions of Power…

      In short, watch Dave take a look at a stranger’s skin color and make judgements about him. Forget personal backgrounds and personal thoughts. All you need to see is the color of a guy’s skin to know if he’s likely a racist or not…or part of the system of racism…

      …of which Chappelle can’t be accused, because of the color of his skin, no matter what his personal background and thoughts might be…

      (no wonder he’s a big fan of Paul Mooney)

      At least Mooney was born in 1941. To have someone born 3 years after me – raised by 2 college professors – in a community with double the per capita income of mine – who went on to become famous and make a lot of money in the same society I live in – looks at my skin color and tells me I’ve had so many more opportunities than him because I’m a cog in the wheel of institutionalize white America racism ——- I look back at how bleeping hard it was for me to go to college – and how bleeping long I’ve been paying off student loans (some 20 years later) — and — I’d like to punch him in the face…

      http://www.guavaleaf.com/video/21681/Dave-Chappelle–Inside-The-Actors-Studio#sthash.VpiAmcqu.dpbs

      • macveen

        Anyone that has listened to Chappelle knows that he is a hard core racist. He just weaves his hatred for whites in among his weed & ho’ jokes to make it acceptable to the clueless white stoners that vegetate along his story. I guarantee the black audience understands his message.

        • scott autry

          I give credit to at least one of his audiences. I don’t remember which Chappelle Show episode it was, but he mentioned Paul Mooney’s name for some reason, and the audience let out a collective grown, which forced Chappelle to say, “Now, I still think he’s funny…”

          And since the bulk of Chappelle’s audience was black, it gave me some hope that a portion of the black community doesn’t care for racism like Mooney’s even if coming from one of their own…

  • Steve Fair

    Here is a white man who gets it on race in America. I know most of you will disagree with him but at least listen to what he has to say and spell out your disagreement in detail. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=643237435774089

    • Another Steven A.

      “…but at least listen to what he has to say and spell out your disagreement in detail.” How about YOU spelling out in detail why you agree with him?

      • Josh

        What!? Dat’s wacist!

    • Josh

      He lost me at “white supremacy” mention #14. I try incredibly hard not to use whiny progressive “trigger” standards to judge content. But that simply wasn’t a line he dropped, but the theme of his entire rant: America is a white supremacist nation; conservative blacks just affirm ingrained white racist beliefs; the real blacks are the blacks who recognize white supremacy, and the sellout blacks are the ones playing the white man’s game. Of course, he makes damn sure to separate himself as one of the good white people!

      Ironic, really; a black man siding with conservative (which he asserts is white) principles is just plucked out and used up by the white man and is looking to further a career. White guy speaking against white supremacy and supposedly in the interest of blacks, plucked out and used by the black man.

      What would help cases like the one being made here, is an actual addressing of said problem rather than just habitually claiming said problem.

      A good non-racial (sorta) example is the “patriarchy” line used by feminists. Wage gap, glass ceiling, rape culture, widespread misogyny, rampant harassment, etc. When they just scream “PATRIARCHY!” over and over, like-minded people scream right back: “Damn right, girl!” When put to any scrutiny, the actual data rips it to shreds.

      This guy makes sweeping generalizations, providing nothing to back them up, which is in the realm of people saying “it’s common sense.”

      But, really, there’s no such thing. Problems must be properly identified and extrapolated, lest they’re just postulates. It’s never that the obvious is obvious; it’s never just common sense.

      It’s common sense that an ice cube will melt faster in a pot of steaming hot coffee than it will under a trickle of ice cold water. Except for the fact that is demonstrably false.

      It gets even worse and into conspiracy territory as he rambles on near the end about how white people support white supremacy even if they don’t support white supremacy.

      Other than this man obviously agreeing with you, what is he saying that’s so deep? What about him should lead anyone not of the same mind to believe he “gets it”?

      (I fully expect some ad hominem or some form of misrepresentation rather than a legitimate response.)

      • Steve Fair

        Unbelievable. Is this what you got from his talk? “Ironic, really; a black man siding with conservative (which he asserts is white) principles is just plucked out and used up by the white man and is looking to further a career. White guy speaking against white supremacy and supposedly in the interest of blacks, plucked out and used by the black man.”

        How could he be ascribing conservatism to whiteness when he himself is white? Speaking against white supremacy is speaking to the brotherhood of man and racial understanding. The black conservative engages in a fault laying exercise whereby the problems of race are placed totally at the feet of so-called “black dysfunction”.

        • Josh

          You obviously didn’t watch the video. Someone must have linked it to you with a note: “Check out this white guy flaming white guys! haha classic!”

          Or, as I noted earlier, you are simply a contrarian. You want so badly to always, no matter what, stand in dissent of those you consider right-wing that you will throw any sort of logic or coherence aside in pursuit of arguing.

          Most of his video is a blatant stereotyping of white people as racists, either blatant or subconsciously, and he pulls himself out by claiming he is amongst the enlightened few who can see white supremacy for what it is and thus stands up for black issues.

          Guy links a video, asks for discussion of the video, doesn’t actually focus on what’s in the video.

          • Steve Fair

            Ridiculous. Martin’s point is that most whites don’t speak out against white racism because there is no benefit in it for them. They will be attacked for being whiny liberals or guilt-ridden wussies. That doesn’t make all of them racists, just self-preserving. However the black conservative who co-signs with the white supremacist canards of “black dysfunction” “broken families” and “toxic culture” is immediately elevated to “independent thinker” and “beacons of light” to much of the white population. Sure they’ll be attacked by blacks, but as Martin points out “So what”. Their checks are signed by white folks.

          • Josh

            That is an overly tame version of the discussion to the point it’s basically a straw-man. What you are writing here is what you inferred; what he implicitly states is “white supremacy,” over and over again, and that it’s the system keeping those like him from having a large platform on which to stand. He then immediately goes on to state that most white people often claim they’re not racist, but they don’t challenge “white supremacy,” which is specifically suggesting that they’re really actually racists because they “subconsciously support white supremacy” without realizing it.

            He also states that the race problem is solely a white problem. And, surprise-surprise, he is maligned and held down by white supremacy as well — because, you know, he’s too close to blacks.

            What I mean to say: I take him as a conspiracy theorist. Probably a good dude at heart. I wouldn’t say he’s not a well-meaning individual. I just don’t buy these boogeymen like patriarchy, white supremacy, Illuminate, etc.

            I semi-agree with him on the white savior movie bit. That is ridiculous. Hollywood liberals have an awfully strange view of minorities.

          • Josh

            Illuminati* even…

            Oh, sh*t! Now some Illuminati conspiracy guys are going to read that and claim I’m part of Illuminati because I intentionally tried to mislead everyone by misspelling it.

            I’m in it now.

          • Steve Fair

            Josh, who are the white equivalents of Jason Riley, Larry Elder and Thomas Sowell? Whites who are rewarded by media exposure and big money to attack their own people? WHO? And where did Martin suggest that “most whites are actually racists because they “subconsciously support white supremacy” without realizing it.” That is YOUR twisted interpretation of his words.

          • Josh

            I have to navigate you through a video that you posted because you have no clue what’s in it?

            Seems legit.

            You have to be trolling me. Over the past few days, I’ve seen you pull some whoppers. Like claiming someone couldn’t show you a single instance of X. Then, once X was shown, you completely changed your stance, as if it started that way, and demanded more instances of X be shown. Failing to provide the sufficient ever-changing number of X proved you right, somehow. (Or another, even crazier instance, which we’ll get to in a minute because I already know you’re attempting to apply it here.)

            No one capable of figuring out how to leave a post on a computer could be so stupid. Right? It has to be intentional.

            And you save trying to quote my text later and act as if it’s a direct quote of what he said after rearranging my context to become his full quote. You can nip that in the bud. Daly kicked your rear already when you tried to pull that nonsense, but you did the fingers-in-your-ears lalala move.

            Taken verbatim from the video:

            “Sure you got some white folks who claim color-blind beliefs. You know, they say “We’re not racist” on Martin Luther King day, they all get around and sing Kumbaya. Which is great, I’m not knocking that. But what I’m saying is, when it comes to actually
            challenging white supremacy in a real way,or pointing out systemic injustices in this country, suddenly they’re not around. Suddenly, they don’t wanna speak about it; they opt out of the conversation. Most white folks. You know, or, when they do go hard, they go hard on historical injustices. They go hard on slavery. They go hard on Jim Crow. You know what I’m saying? Segregation. But they don’t go hard on current systemic injustice. Only time they speak out against what’s happening right now, is when they’re going against extremists. You know what I’m saying? Donald Sterling — they’ll throw him under the bus. The KKK, Neo-Nazis, skinheads, all that sh*t — they’ll throw them under the bus. But all these people who
            subconsciously support white supremacy, without even realizing it, they’re left untouched.”

            Translation, because you don’t seem to be up on the vernacular: White folks say they’re not racist, but they don’t do anything to stand up against real racial injustice, which is white supremacy. They only stand up when it’s something blatant and publicized, and even then they don’t address the actual white supremacy. They support white supremacy, even if they don’t realize they’re supporting it. They’re racists and don’t realize it. And nobody calls them out for it.

            And he continues about how media is stacked against people like him because he’s “too close to blacks,” and so on.

            As I said: Probably a well-meaning dude, but comes across like a conspiracy theorist.

            White supremacy. White supremacy. White supremacy.

            Or patriarchy, patriarchy, patriarchy. Or whatever else people just incessantly shout out as if stating it numerous times makes it necessarily true bereft of anything substantial to back the claim.

          • Steve Fair

            Once again, you like most of your buddies, never answer direct questions but evade, divert and filibuster. Total frauds.

          • Josh

            While my full reply hangs in moderation (because I suggested you may be ret@rded probably), let me add something I missed; You’re a giant hypocrite.

            Address where I have shown you how full of nonsense you are in my above response. You won’t, will you? Of course not. If Steve Fair doesn’t get to set every single standard, it’s not fair at all.

          • Steve Fair

            Sigh. Let me try this again. Josh, who are the white equivalents of Jason Riley, Larry Elder and Thomas Sowell? Whites who are rewarded by media exposure and big money to attack their own people?

          • Josh

            Sigh. Let me try this again. Steve, address what we were talking about initially before you decide, completely on your whim, to move the goal posts. What do you have to say about being demonstrably wrong?

          • Steve Fair

            Josh, you do know that the only place you guys can get away with your obvious fraudulence are boards like this where you all reinforce each others bullhsit. Claim victory and wiggle your butt. You know you’re full of dung and so do I.

          • Josh

            Steve, you do know that the only place your ilk would even try such blatantly hypocritical, selective-standard nonsense is on boards like this where you can just invent your own reality and pretend that you weren’t slapped around like a punk repeatedly. Claim victory and wiggle your butt. You know you’re full of dung and so do I.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            >>Whites who are rewarded by media exposure and big money to attack their own people?

            Have you never seen MSNBC? Have you not noticed how often the white hosts on that network whine about “white privilege?” Have you not heard them use “white” as an insult when describing successful white people? The media is overflowing with white guilt-riddled people who think the Mitt Romney’s of the world are why poor people are poor.

            The difference with the examples you gave, of course, is that people like Jason Riley (and Bill Cosby for that matter) aren’t “attacking” black people. They’re using tough love rhetoric to tell black communities that the power of the individual and the power of strong families is how to pull out of economic and cultural hardship.

            Their message is one of empowerment while the Democratic party’s message is one of grievance and victimization.

          • Steve Fair

            You’re making snickerdoodles up again. You guys are un-friggin-believable. Name ONE white MSNBC host who whined about “white privilege”. I’m calling you out and I’m going to stay on your ass because I’m tired of you clowns lying and then saying “look it up for yourself”. Black MSNBC host Toure made a reference to white privilege and the Holocaust and Jewish group called for his head.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly
          • Steve Fair

            Okay John. You won. After an hour of scouring the web you found something. Feel real white and superior now? LMAO!!!!!!

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            They came from a 3-second Google search, Steve… Something you could have easily pulled off on your own.

            And do you normally LYAO every time you’re proven wrong? You must have one hell of a chronic side-ache then.

          • Steve Fair

            What were the search terms John?

          • Jeff Webb

            That noise you’re now hearing is the churning of Steve’s brain, desperately trying to figure out a way to claim you failed without him looking like a douchebag.

            Edit:
            Oops! I hadn’t realized Steve already responded to you.

            Much to his credit, he conceded the point. (Still has a long way to go on the whole not-looking-like-a-douchebag thing, though.)

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Sad, isn’t it? It’s not enough that I proved him wrong by simply using Google. Now he wants me to tell him HOW to use Google.

            I’ve gotta draw the line somewhere.

          • Steve Fair

            Like I said John, you and Jeff can jerk each other off to pseudo intellectual ecstacy but you know you’re full of dung and so do I. You claim “widespread’ use of the term white Hispanic and come up with a NYT news article. Ask you specifically who are the white equivalents of Jason Riley, Larry Elder etc…. and after searching furiously for over an hour you come up with a Morning Joe clip where a host tells Mike Barnicle his sons “hit the trifecta of white privilege” Meaning they are not profiled by cops, followed in stores or assumed to be criminals. This is why the right loves Fox News and rightwing blogs because you thrive on misinformation, propaganda and outright lies. Do me one favor though. Tell me the search terms you used to find those links. I promise you I will leave this board permanently afterward.

          • Josh

            You are most certainly the poster child for the reason that trolls should not be fed. I personally find it entertaining. But, damn, don’t you get tired of having to sift through so much content to figure out new and creative ways to disagree with it? You’re trolling yourself as much as anyone else. That’s gotta be hard work.

            I sincerely hope you figure out a way to get paid for it.

          • Steve Fair

            Sorry Josh but I am very aware at what goes on at these boards. You clowns are very adept at cyberspace mob tactics and pseudo intimidation but it doesn’t work on me.

          • Josh

            “Intimidation” — That word doesn’t mean what you think it means, evidently.

            Though I suspect it’s just more delusion, part of your greatest hits album. People disagree with you, not only call you a liar but show you demonstrably, prove that your head is crammed snugly up your rear end, and you wanna play the victim about it? People are attempting to bully you and chase you away by refuting your nonsense?

            Aww, poor baby. Those important, fragile feel-feels of yours must be stressed to the max. Having to suffer the indignity of not being able to spam nonsense without having it refuted. :( Damn racist privileged white conservatives. You really need to create a Tumblr for this injustice you’ve suffered so that the world can stand behind you.

            (((((((((((((hugs wittle Stevie)))))))))))))

          • Steve Fair

            Josh, use your pointed head for a second. If I was a victim I would have left this board after the first day since I am outnumbered 50 to 1 and am dealing mainly with a collection of racists and wannabe John Waynes. Your taunts and gang tactics don’t bother me in the least. It just shows your rank cowardice and fraudulence. So now after I’ve spanked you a little bit more, then John will jump in. After I’m done with him, here comes Jeff. It’s all so………bitchlike. LMAO!!!!!

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            >>I am outnumbered 50 to 1

            Uh. yeah.

            >>So now after I’ve spanked you a little bit more

            You can’t make this stuff up, folks.

          • Josh

            True victims do tend to guard themselves better and not stick around the areas where they’ve been victimized. Like, for instance, a victim of PTSD wouldn’t go back to the same location, time and again, where the trauma was initially experienced.

            But this is the Internet age, man. The age of insta-victimhood! It’s “victim” in the context of progressive ideology. Not a “victim” in the classic sense of the term, but more like Melody Hensley claiming Twitter gave her PTSD, while being unable to stay away from Twitter, incessantly tweeting that her PTSD is as serious as any soldiers’ PTSD, even reporting some servicepeople to their COs because they doubted her phony condition. That kind of “victim.”

            The kind of victim that cries and whines about how everyone is against them, everyone is so mean to them, everyone wants them to go, all the while being the sole instigator of the situation. Like standing on the conveyor at the grocery story and crying that everyone wants you to get down. “WHY!? OMG! I’m just STANDING HERE!”

            “Taunts and gang tactics” — yes, Stevie, you’re the victim! It’s so obvious.

            ******gives wittle Stevie affirming words! You is kind, you is smart, you is important*******

          • Steve Fair

            The sole instigator?? Oh I almost forgot (well actually I didn’t). Righties hate debate and are especially enraged by black folks who stand up to them and refute their lies. Josh believe me, you are as much fun as a man can have at work.

          • Josh

            ((((((((((gives wittle Stevie reassurance! You’re good enough. You’re smart enough. And doggone it, people like you)))))))))

          • Steve Fair

            I sure seem to have your attention. Want me to send you a picture?

          • Josh

            Make sure it’s one where I can really, really tell that you’re black!

          • Steve Fair

            I figured you had an Afro fetish. I better laminate the picture so you don’t get it all messy.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Steve, your incessant lying and race-baiting won’t get you removed from this site, but the perverse stuff will… just to let you know.

          • Steve Fair

            If lying and race baiting were grounds for removal, you would have vanished a long time ago.

          • Josh

            Yes, I’m a huge Afro fetishist. Guys like you really help out with the vision impaired, and I definitely respect the charitable works.

            “Who’s that?”

            “I’M BLACK!”

            “Oh…thanks?”

            Say, what it was.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            >>Righties hate debate and are especially enraged by black folks who stand up to them and refute their lies.

            Rumor has it that they also slay unicorns, eat squirrels alive, and drink the tears of ladybugs before they decapitate them.

          • macveen

            Glad I’m not the one paying you for this.

          • Jeff Webb

            You’ve accused Republicans/conservatives overall of bigotry, you’ve said they hate debate, and you regularly post comments. Now you’re sneering that three of them have posted numerous comments in disagreement. Do you see the irony, Steve?

          • Mike Curtis

            Steve Fair you are the biggest racist on this site! You attack anyone who proves you wrong! How can you even stand up with that big chip on your shoulder? Grow up and act like an adult!

          • macveen

            To be honest with you Steve, I really enjoy whacking liberals and get in as much time as possible on HuffPost and MSNBC. I try to use truth & logic to bolster my arguments, not emotion. Any silly person can scream and rant on the irrelevant and tangents, but that will not win a debate among fair and intelligent people. If you care about honest exchange, there’s a hint for better results.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            >>Sorry Josh but I am very aware at what goes on at these boards.

            Yeah. People named Steve come here, call everyone a racist, get destroyed in debate, and then claim victory. Fascinating stuff.

          • Jeff Webb

            >>You clowns are very adept at cyberspace mob tactics and pseudo intimidation but it doesn’t work on me.<<

            My, you do project.

            Accusing others of bigotry is classic leftist bullying. You're just not accustomed to getting pushed back, even when you dial up the anger.

            It wouldn't matter to me whether I was the only one calling you out or joined by dozens. People like you can be good to have around. Keeps things interesting.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            >>you and Jeff can jerk each other off to pseudo intellectual ecstacy…

            At least you figured out how to use Thesaurus.com. Well done, Steve! I promise you that Google is almost as easy.

            >> You claim “widespread’ use of the term white Hispanic and come up with a NYT news article.

            And YOU claimed NO ONE used that term, when two of the biggest news organizations in the world (the NYT and CNN) absolutely did. I even gave you a Google link demonstrating its usage (which included a USA Today article confirming that several news outlets used that description of Zimmerman, and a Vdare column which cited 962 links on Google News to Zimmerman being a “White Hispanic” on the day it was reported.

            Your response to all of that was to cover your eyes, scream “No!!!” and call me a liar.

            >>and after searching furiously for over an hour

            It was a 3-second Google search, Steve. Believe it or not, I do other things during the day than just make you look foolish. And you already conceded, after looking at what I gave you, that I was right and you were wrong. So, I’m not sure why you’re now screaming about misinformation. You sound like an embarrassed child trying to save face, but unable to offer a coherent explanation.

            >>Tell me the search terms you used to find those links. I promise you I will leave this board permanently afterward.

            No. It’s way too much fun having you around, Steve. Plus, you need to practice your research skills. If I do it for you, you won’t learn anything.

          • Steve Fair

            LMAO!!!!! Maybe you do enjoy my company John, but I doubt it. You know and I know that you scrambled furiously to find that link. Anyway, I don’t think I’m as popular with Jeff and Josh. I think those two would love nothing more than to string me up to the nearest pine.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            >>you scrambled furiously to find that link.

            I typed a few words and pushed the ‘enter’ button.

            >> I think those two would love nothing more than to string me up to the nearest pine.

            Or just have a good laugh at your expense.

          • Josh

            Dammit. I really wanted you to give him the keywords used. I was looking forward to Steve lying and saying, “Hahaha! LIAR! I entered those keywords and I didn’t find ANYTHING until page 47!”

          • Josh

            But you’re not trying to play the victim here, noooo…

          • Steve Fair

            Bye Josh. I’ve got things to do. Try not to obsess with me too much.

          • Josh

            Not sure how to obsess with you. Damn, I’ve already given you a hug. Do you want more?

            (((((((((bye wittle Stevie. And remember: You are too big a gift to the world to waste your time on self-pity and sadness)))))))))

          • Jeff Webb

            >>you and Jeff can jerk each other off to pseudo intellectual ecstacy<>You claim “widespread’ use of the term white Hispanic and come up with a NYT news article.<<

            That's inaccurate and you know it. Your challenge to John was based on what you read in the column, and it doesn't say "widespread." You keep trying to link the word to the beginning to save face.

            What's accurate is you told John to show "anywhere" in the media where "white Hispanic" was said, and he did just that.

          • Steve Fair

            LIES. John’s exact quote “Major news outlets like CNN and New York Times used the term (white Hispanic)repeatedly.”

          • Jeff Webb

            Now you’re trying to pass off ANOTHER subsequent statement John made after he refuted you. Incredible. Hoping this will undo your “widespread” ploy? You still think you can get away with this crap around here?

            Did you post “Show me anywhere in the media where George Zimmerman was referred to as a “white Hispanic”? Does it specifically demand multiple examples?

            Please stop lying about this. You’ve wasted enough time already.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            The “widespread” argument was a secondary one that Steve clung to after he was proven wrong on his initial claim that NO ONE said it.

            Of course, I proved its “widespread” usage as well, so now Steve’s trying to call into question how many seconds it took me on Google to prove him wrong in the first place.

            I’m expecting his final argument to have something to do with how long my arm-hair was while I entered the words into Google.

          • macveen

            Dang Steve, you are just a lost liberal knucklehead that can not admit defeat. You are whipped on every argument because you are just too emotional, without logic.

          • macveen

            Can Steve do anything about preventing more black on black hatred and murder in the US and Africa. Anything at all? It continuously breeds more resentment and misogyny for which whites get blamed.

          • Josh

            But they won’t count…because Steve.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            And likely I’ll be a “racist” for even pointing it out.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Steve, EVERYONE answers your goofy questions… until they eventually get sick of you ignoring their answers and calling them liars and racists.

          • Steve Fair

            John, you’re a total phony who only survives on boards like this where the gang is as full of dung as you.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Actually, I do quite well just speaking honestly and coherently. You should try it sometime.

          • macveen

            Steve, have you considered the possibility that Jason Riley, Larry Elder, and Thomas Sowell espouse these conservative viewpoints because they believe them to be true? It’s not about promoting white or black with them, it’s about truth.

          • macveen

            Well, so what if Martin strongly agrees with himself that whites are inherently racist and can’t help themselves for it? That doesn’t mean that it is true. You are trying to equate this person’s opinion with universal truth. That is the same as me saying that “the most racist people that I have ever known are black” and accepting that as unassailable truth. Your logic is consistently warped by heavy bias toward self interest.

        • macveen

          Let’s be honest. Black dysfunction has something to do with its holy grail of racism.

      • scott autry

        Laughable. I mean that. Comical.

        The idea white people don’t speak out against racism had me rolling on the floor – and the idea that black people speak out much more against their own than whites. Has this guy never watched the news or TV or movies?

        I guarantee you – you hold a KKK rally in some city, and you’ll have many multiples of white people speaking out against it than you see blacks speaking out against rioting in Mo. (And that has been going on for a few decades now. I remember exactly that happening in my semi-rural hometown back in 1988.)

        You are ridiculous. The man in the video is ridiculous.

        I gave up about 2:00 in because I couldn’t stop laughing and didn’t want to waste even 2 more minutes on it…

        What a bunch of cluelesses…

        • Steve Fair

          So blackness is equivalent to rioting????? Hell, not one GOP member has condemned Congressman Mo Brooks for his hysterical rants about the so-called “Democratic war on whites”. Who are the white equivalents of Jason Riley, Ben Carson and Larry Elder???? Where are they?

          • macveen

            Brooks remark was silly, rather unworthy of comment from any serious person (except you?).

          • scott autry

            People like Dave Chappelle will never stop calling America a racist nation, because they refuse to look at demographics or think about the nature of democracy.

            White people are in the majority – by far (72%). So, in a representative democracy and Republic, in terms of the nation as a whole there are bound to be more white people in positions of power in the gov. and other institutions – due to sheer numbers… Not because the society is racist…

            I grew up near Atlanta – and since I was 3 (1974) – every mayor has been black and probably every police chief and other top elected official – because of the local demographics. Is that “institutionalized racism”???

            I’d prefer voters judge candidates by the quality of their ideas and personal backgrounds – and have skin color mean nothing – but – that ain’t gonna happen anytime soon…

            People have a tendency to vote for people they identify with – which explains why a presidential candidate almost always wins his home state.

            Anyway – the key point is – when 2/3rds of the population of the US is white – there will be more whites in positions of power in the economy and government and so on. If they didn’t, you’d have to wonder why…

            That fact does not bolster an argument the nation is racist…

      • macveen

        I don’t believe you ice cube paradigm. How do you know that?

        • Josh

          You don’t have to believe me. You can try it with 2 ice cubes, 1 cup/bowl/pot of hot, steaming water (coffee, whatever), and a tap streaming cold water.

          The cube in the hot water begins to melt quickly, which causes the water surrounding the cube to cool. As it reaches closer to equilibrium and becomes more insulated, the melting slows. The running water doesn’t present this problem; it will always be hotter than the ice cube and thus melt it faster.

          But for folks who don’t know these little fun-to-try experiments, it’s probably always “common sense” that that ice melts faster in the hotter liquid. Hot water is hot!

    • scott autry

      I am officially done with Mr. Fair. I will not read another word. Someone this far gone isn’t worth paying attention to.

      It is like those people who trot out Noam Chompsky and believe they are saying something…

      No point in trying to have a discussion…

      I’m out….

  • Observer

    Some people’s version of solving problems:
    Problem: “I’ve got a problem and it’s you.”
    Solution: “You solve my problem, except you can’t solve my problem because you can’t understand my problem and I won’t tell you how you can solve my problem, so it’s your problem… solve it!”
    That’s the rationale of a particular person who has posted more than anyone else on this current topic. This is why little or no progress is made with a segment of our society who like to keep the racial pot boiling.

    • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

      You make a good point.

  • scott autry

    ‘It’s the poverty that causes it…’

    It’s the disintegration of the family that is the primary root cause. Crime in American society has risen steadily across ethnic lines – and so has the number of single-parent households. Unfortunately for the black community, the disintegration of 2-parent homes has been far worse.

    Addressing this issue will do much, but, it won’t happen, because whenever The Left hears things like this, they immediately ridicule it as nothing but claptrap on the part of wacky conservative Christians…

    (In some part because The Left doesn’t believe in families – It believes in the village – what conservatives call the nanny state…)

    http://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/107-children-in-single-parent-families-by#detailed/1/any/false/868,867,133,38,35/10,168,9,12,1,13,185/432,431

    • Josh

      I want to add in here that I don’t think it’s necessarily any family issue more so than it’s an utter lack of personal accountability in the decision making process, joined at the hip with any and all behaviors being subsidized, which instantly promotes them as not only being accepted but also necessary to keep one afloat.

      One does not necessarily need any sort of two-party structure to properly raise a family. That having two parties able to earn providing more financial stability is just math at work.

      I agree fully that in cases instability hinders progress, stability would be a much welcomed change. Whether this came from another parent or just a great job, though, the end result may still be the same.

      A lack of suitable role models is the main effect where I would agree a positive male and female influence could help. But then one has to consider trending aspects of a culture within inner cities and that allure of those influences is often greater than any parental influence due to a slew of factors: The pervasive belief that there’s no way out, the trendiness of antisocial actions, the cannibalistic nature of the poorest areas, etc.

      Holding people to account by refusing to subsidize poor choices is the only solution I can see personally. If that spurs people back into seeking two-parent models for more stability, then it’s a win-win for everyone (until divorce court, but that’s another topic lol).

      Everyone gets what they want and what they need. But I feel it’s important to not simply place the issues at the feet of a disintegrating family structure. That seems to be a side effect of the causal agents: No personal accountability enabled by a big-spending ideology that does not demand it.

      • scott autry

        I think most of that is centered on the family or lack thereof.

        Getting divorced or having a child without being married and not providing enough money and guidance within a family can be viewed as not living up to personal accountability.

        We’re talking about raising kids here – from Day 1 to adulthood. We’re talking about taking a kid from knowing nothing to his full integration in the society as an adult.

        In short, the kid will follow what he learns at home.

        And if the parents are irresponsible or the single-parent is overwhelmed with the tasks of maintaining a home, teaching the children values, and earning a living, we get the mess we have today.

        Responsibility and other moral and ethical values are learned at home. The same with the value of education.

        And I’d say – back in time when 2-parent homes were the norm, children were better provided for economically and mentally/socially, and that was a major factor in lower crime…

        Crime has risen despite increased economic prosperity and equal opportunity. At the same time, the nuclear family has fallen apart a good bit. I think the two are directly related. I don’t see a bigger contributor – in large part because the baby and toddler is dependent on the parents from the beginning, and remain that way for many years, before they are influenced by big outside factors.

        • Josh

          Well, this is where I take issue with the stance: “back in time when 2-parent homes were the norm…”

          What time was that? Over the course of American history, there have been many things that could be considered the “norm” in the home: Fathers off at war while mom’s home alone, possibly never to return; parents getting divorced at rates just as high as they’re staying married; mom’s place being strictly in the home; mom’s role changing significantly to actually become a partnered breadwinner.

          Any of those could be called the “norm” depending on which snapshot in history you choose to look at.

          I don’t at all disagree in principle that having two parents is probably better than one, though I wouldn’t say necessarily better. Though I’m just not of this “traditional” mindset. 2>1 =/= 2 men or 2 women for most “traditional” proponents, of course. So it’s not just about 2>1.

          There are many other factors at play.

          Everyone is struggling in these horrible areas. The more people struggle, the more government attempts to step in. Government steps in, people are offered an out. Jonie sees that Janey got out on her own with a baby and no baby daddy, got her a S8 property, a SNAP card, medical assistance, the whole 9. Jonie doesn’t qualify because she’s actually married and they earn too much income for assistance, but not enough to get by. Josie sees them both: “Damn, I can get me a kid and do alright.”

          The breakdown begets breakdown, but the “traditional” family is falling apart because there’s no reward in it and the community was already falling to shambles. I don’t see it as chicken or egg; I see it clearly as government involvement breaking it all down.

          After all, don’t forget that particularly in the black community, individuals are exceedingly religious. What force is greater to influence choices? I mean, they’re not just walking away willingly from what you view as traditional and moral; they’re being led away. The people who follow are at fault for following, no doubt.

          All in all, though, I don’t think we disagree with one another that much. The government is acting as the village, attempting to replace the family. My only real point of contention is that I think people place far too much credit on this model of family that has always been hit-or-miss.

  • scott autry

    “The fact that the Times hid its own scoop, and no other mainstream media outlets are reporting on it, is also informative. The news of the officer being injured would further upset and muddy the hysterical black vs. white narrative the media so desperately desires, along with the obvious political upside for the left that comes with it.”

    In 2002, an armored bridge layer in a column of US tanks crushed to death 2 middle school girls on a road in South Korea. The Korean media went nuts for the greater part of half a year – until the Dec presidential election in which they helped defeat a pro-US candidate in favor of a former unknown congressman who had been a dissident in the 80s calling for the removal of US troops…

    The US military sent people to the hospital the day of the accident, gave them a small amount of bereavement money typical in Korean culture, held a candlelight vigil 7 days later, collected donations from soldiers and staff to build a memorial at the site of the accident, and came to a monetary settlement with the families and Korean government within 30 days.

    None of that was known to the Koreans.

    You had to read the Stars and Stripes to find out about it.

    All the Koreans heard – everyday – around the clock – for months and months and months was – murder murder murder murder – convincing the public the GIs had done it on purpose – and the US military did – nothing. That they were uncaring and callous and only later gave apologizes because of the riots in the streets and public pressure made them do it…

    It’s one thing to have a foreign press using dirty, underhanded, disinformation procedures to raise hatred of you among its masses…

    …but…people who don’t agree with The Left – and the institutions it dominates – have to put up with much the same with key institutions in our society – The Media, Hollywood, and higher education…

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2014/08/20/ferguson-nyt-buries-news-of-officer-wilsons-injury

  • Enquirer

    A question for STEVE FAIR.
    I haven’t read all of your dozens of posts on this blog, so maybe I’ve missed the answer to my question… so please forgive me if I missed it. I notice you cite a lot of statistics, you call people a lot of names, and you generally complain a lot.
    So,
    Question: Do you have any constructive ideas as to how to heal the racial divide that you evidently believe is at the center of our country’s social problems?
    Please give us your honest response.

    • Observer

      Good question. We’d like to know. Seriously.

    • Steve Fair

      Enquirer, I notice guys like you have a major problem with black folks who don’t grin in your face and tell you what you want to hear. Our country’s racial problems are encapsulated and displayed on boards like this. Self-absorbed arrogant white conservatives who think that they are the only people who see clearly and are capable of reason. The rest of us are emotional children.

      • Enquirer

        Thank you for sharing your honest response and your solution to healing the racial divide.

        • Steve Fair

          Let’s hear yours. Unless you feel it’s the burden of blacks to make white folks feel comfortable in their predispositions.

          • Enquirer

            Again, thank you for sharing. I’m not going to play your game. Mine was a sincere question and yours was a sincere answer. All has been said here.

          • Steve Fair

            LMAO!!!!! Of course you won’t “play my game” You’re the omnipotent white man so it’s only your game to play, right? Your question was about as sincere as The Bounty Hunter’s apology. You feel that it’s incumbent on black folks to assuage your white sensibilities. Well sorry, I don’t play that.

          • Walter Peck

            It took you three posts totaling 137 words to say “no.”

          • Steve Fair

            Oooohhhh. Looks like I have another stalker. You righties are kinda creepy. BTW Wally, you have any suggestions for racial harmony or do you think that’s just for us black folks to ponder?

          • Walter Peck

            I really shouldn’t answer the question since you still haven’t, but it’s simple enough.

            The best way to achieve racial harmony is for people of all races to live, work, and otherwise be around one another.

          • Steve Fair

            That’s very nice Walter. And I agree. I wonder how the rest of the board feels about your suggestion.

      • scott autry

        We have a problem with people who judge others by the color of their skin – like you – a racist.

        • Steve Fair

          Oh this is rich coming from a clown who spewed this garbage: “Barring some evidence that the local authorities there are still enforcing a Jim Crowe environment, I see a community that thinks it can do whatever the heck it likes in terms of violence and crime and get away with it – because of the historical grievances the black community has.”
          So the BLACK COMMUNITY IN FERGUSON are all rioters?

          • scott autry

            The community – not everyone.

            I should have mentioned bused in outside agitators. I have no way of knowing how many of the people rioting in the streets are from there…

            I’m also not passing judgement on the people rioting in the streets due to the color of their skin…

            These are all distinctions you can’t make when reading, because skin color for you is most important…

            …and I’ll return to ignoring you now…

          • Steve Fair

            You’re backpedaling now. It was obvious what you meant especially with the reference to “the historical grievances of the black community”. I abhor the violence and looting but I will bet money that 90% of it is from the criminal element which always takes advantage of chaos and conflict. But you only see black. You’re all projection. BTW, it sure doesn’t seem like you’re “ignoring” me.

          • scott autry

            Wrong again. I restated it because I recognized I had not factored in something that needed to be in the equation. If the rioters had all been from that area, it would have spoken to that “community” and nobody without an ax to grind would have thought I meant every individual in that community.

            How many times in the past couple of days have I ranted about how the law-abiding, hard-working citizens in these very same communities get the shaft by the media and “well-meaning” liberal elites when they excuse the riots and looting to “poverty” and “inequality”? (And if the majority of the population in that area is black, that would, of course, mean I’m speaking positively about them – regardless of the color of their skin.)

            But, whether it is local thugs or outsiders, do they not base a sizable portion of their justification on the very real evils and oppression the overall black community suffered under until relatively recent times?

          • Steve Fair

            Who excused the riots and looting???? Who? Al Sharpton? Definitely not. Name the people who excused the looting and riots. I for one want every criminal looter or rioter arrested and prosecuted.

          • scott autry

            Everyone who jumped to the conclusion that white cop must be a racist murderer with little information beyond the color of their skins and the fact the guy was unarmed.

            Everyone who raced to scene to stoke anger.

            It is as Mr. Goldberg pointed out in this post.

            Sharpton and those on the scene now are no MLK…

            [and I wonder if you'd label King a turncoat - something like you did me when you thought I was black...]

          • Steve Fair

            All the people who came to protest in Ferguson excused the looters????? You are full of dung. And please don’t even attempt to co-opt the legacy of MLK Jr. who was a revolutionary who had no time for police brutality, rightwingers or racists. I’ll be happy to post quotes from him on the subjects.

          • scott autry

            And saying “community” instead of “people in the street” is where I made the mistep – as noted in the comment below.

            “O’Reilly said only four people arrested on Monday in Ferguson were from the small Missouri town.”

            Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/08/bill-oreilly-ferguson-al-sharpton-110214.html#ixzz3B44b6pJj

  • firststater

    This issue will not be resolved until all the killings by whomever,wherever get equal illumination and included in the conversation.

  • Seven

    Look at what the so called “war on poverty” has done for places like mostly white Southern West Virginia. This is where food stamps were first introduced in the 60’s after Kennedy and Johnson toured and perceived (in their minds) so much poverty. Now what we have are several generations of entitlement individuals who can’t function past the hollow in which they were born. Once fiercely independent, many are now drug dependent and on the government dole. It’s the same in inter cities. As the old saying goes, give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed a man for life.

    • Steve Fair

      I guess before the War on Poverty they were all living in mansions like the Great Gatsby. You righties are certifiable.

      • Tim Ned

        No, but we are approaching record poverty levels and could possibly reach record levels outside of the great depression. Huffpost has even acknowledged this rising statistic. There are many single mothers with children that are on welfare an issue that was less prevalent than in the 60’s. There are also studies that show when you have strong welfare programs, it prolongs the welfare problem.

        The war on poverty, so named in the 60’s, was initial intended to assist those in need when they needed it. It has turned into a socialized welfare program. Many in our society need this long term assistance. However many believe, and I am one of them, that this has turned into a program supporting many who do not need it.

        • Steve Fair

          Absolute garbage. Prove that we are approaching “record” levels in poverty. Welfare as we know it was ended 15 years ago.. There is a time limit on AFDC benefits (5 years) so it is no longer generational. What you rightwing idiots want people to believe is that men with good jobs were enticed by liberals to quit their jobs and let their wives get on welfare and that is patently absurd.

          • E. Haskell

            You need to get in touch with reality and history instead of living inside your bigoted world view.

          • Steve Fair

            LMAO!!!! Oh so I suppose your white racist ass is going to tell ME the reality of black communities?

          • E. Haskell

            Well, LMAO, too!!! You seem to be ignorant of “white” communities? As for myself, I don’t know where those are, exactly…

          • Steve Fair

            Actually I do. You really don’t get this, do you? Because of the cultural ocean we swim in, minorities, particularly educated middle class people of color, know all about white folks. But black people remain a mystery to most whites. I read some of the posts on boards like this and I am astonished at the rank ignorance.

          • Niripsa

            That is why so many “white” people voted for Obama… twice, when they had a chance to vote for “white” people… twice. Now I understand how “white” people think. Thank you for the education.

          • Steve Fair

            Obama got 42% of the white vote. And God bless them, they are the ones who are freed from racist resentment.

          • Tim Ned

            Thanks for answering. I’m not wasting any electronic ink giving you the links pertaining to the increased levels in poverty. It’s an absolute waste of time in your case. You’re one of the main reasons there will be no reasonable changes in this society. Monday evening on Anderson 360 even Van Jones stated it’s been a bad summer for black youth between the police shootings and murder by other blacks. He pointed out Chicago specifically. Don’t ask me to prove it! Look it up yourself!

          • Steve Fair

            LMAO!!!!! Another fraud exposed.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            I must say… Steve Fair’s got pretty a unique debating style.

            He repeatedly ridicules and denies things that are common knowledge among anyone who actually pays attention to what’s going in the country. Then, when people finally get sick of having to repeatedly educate him on why he’s wrong, he declares victory and calls them frauds.

            He’d make a hilarious sitcom character.

          • Steve Fair

            You still here John? I thought I flushed you a few hours ago. Sorry but what you claim to be “common knowledge” is more often rightwing bullcrap that you guys pass off as fact. When challenged to prove it, you shriek “Look it up yourself”. I see this all the time on rightwing boards and never tire of exposing you.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            As crazy as it sounds, I had better things to do this morning than continue sparring with your ignorant ramblings.

            You see Steve, people like me don’t mind looking up and providing links on things that the average political observer might not have heard… But you keep demanding proof of things that EVERYONE who has ANY interest in politics already knows.

            Several of the posters here have been very charitable in trying to catch you up to speed, but it’s gotten to the point of absurdity.

            How about this: The next time someone gives you a statistic or cites something that you’re suspicious of, how about trying to Google it yourself first before reflexively accusing that person of being a liar, a racist, or insane.

            I think people will start taking you a little more seriously, if you at least tried.

          • Steve Fair

            John, please show me proof that US poverty is at record levels currently.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            What are you talking about? When did I ever say that poverty is at record levels?

            Are you so desperate to win an argument that you have to make up pretend positions for me?

            Now, if I you want to discuss poverty levels under Obama being historically high, and much higher than under Bush, here’s an article for you to prep yourself with: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/7/obamas-rhetoric-on-fighting-poverty-doesnt-match-h/?page=all

          • Observer

            Are you saying he’s an Archie Bunker type?

          • Tim Ned

            Thanks for the response. You answered clearly! Now I would like to know the reason for the incredibly high murder rate in Chicago. Or perhaps it’s really not that high since countries in South America have higher rates. I believe that’s what you stated in a post here.

          • Steve Fair

            There you go with the statistical hyperbole again. There are almost 1 million blacks in Chicago. Most of whom are employed, law abiding citizens. Last year there were 440 homicides. I will bet money that they were perpetrated primarily by young unemployed, uneducated males involved in gangsterism or drug dealing. But you want to attribute that to “black culture”. You guys continue to make my point.

          • Tim Ned

            I never once, let me clarify for you once, attributed this to “black culture”. I only bring up the same issue that Van Jones brings up. Too many young black kids are dying. So please clarify for me!

          • Steve Fair

            The causative issues here are poverty, lack of opportunity, and dysfunctional environments. Blacks, and many hispanics, are currently the inner city poor. But what does this have to do with the police killings of unarmed black men like Trayvon Martin. Eric Garner or Michael Brown? That’s what you don’t won’t to deal with.

          • Tim Ned

            First, I have clarified through this thread what I believed tragic about Trayvon Martin. I also believe that the death of Eric Garner is a police action out of control. That said; let me clarify my position as a White conservative Republican. Chicago is a disaster. Flint Michigan is a disaster. As an American I am ashamed of the constant murder of our young black children and I believe it to by a national disgrace. I have posted on this site for quite a few years. I have tried to render my opinion based upon my conservative values that lean highly libertarian, without my personal experiences. The Martin and Garner family are not the only ones who have buried a son. I buried my only son in 2001. So I belong to their club that only I and they can understand. We are in a club that I pray no one should ever be a member of.

            I still have four daughters. My kids grew up in a household that took in short term foster kids. The police call our house the house of last resort. That is because my wife would never turn away any kid. We have the right at 3:00 am to turn away kids that we believed a threat. But not with my wife; we never turned away any kids under the age of 16. We were supposed to take no more than five per night. But I, the police, and of course my neighbors knew that on any occasions there were many more than that because my wife would let a ten year old go to jail Because my wife doesn’t say no to kids.

            I know that scum bag parents have no color. What the children we brought into our home went through is beyond reasonable comprehension. The only description I can use to call their guardians, or parents, is that they were monsters. They came from poor families, rich families, white, as well as black.
            My wife always said that we would be rewarded for what we did. After thirty years I see it. We have several times a year people show up at our door with tears in their eyes. These were the young my wife took in that eventually were able to cope in society. They were placed with caring people at a young age that turned their life around. And they returned to the source. To my wife that made the difference.

            So let me get back to subject. I have a different perception of police. When we took in these kids the only ones that cared were the police. The police from our county, both black and white, always showed up with toys for the kids. They always showed up to take the group fishing. They always showed up with bicycles out or their own pocket for the kids. They took them to movies. The brought popcorn and movies to the house. They came out to bring them to Twins and Vikings games. If they dropped them off, they owned them. And they never forgot.
            My church cared! My neighbors cared! My friends cared! and the police cared. The politicians….Nothing!

      • Seven

        No, but they were more self reliant. Billions have been spent with dismal results. I have lived it, I know. You perceive what your emotions dictate, not a very smart way to look at a real problem.

        • Steve Fair

          Why the hell would a self-reliant person give up his job and independence and accept welfare? This absolutely makes no sense. It is rightwing garbage. The War on Poverty was a program to alleviate the pain and suffering of people who had little option and opportunity to support themselves and their families with a liveable wage. And the War on Poverty was derailed almost at it’s conception by the costs of the Vietnam War.

          • Seven

            As a young child, I recall many men in my community that were each capable of several trades. When jobs were hard to come by, many would travel to provide for their families. They were all aware of the need to know how to provide. Not only for their families but others in their community also. Sense of community is something that I believe is missing today. Making people more reliant on government may seem noble,but in the end I believe it does more harm than good.

  • SkyCitizen

    Here’s another piece of disappearing news. A nine year old black male shot in Chicago. http://abc7chicago.com/news/family-boy-9-fatally-shot-in-greater-grand-crossing/273468/
    Holder a no-show!

    Gee, I could do this for hours.

  • SkyCitizen

    Yesterday, a funeral was held for a a three year old black girl who was shot in DC. http://www.myfoxdc.com/clip/10493672/funeral-held-for-3-year-old-shooting-victim

    How about a little justice here Mr. Holder!

  • macveen

    The discussion about an unarmed black teenager being shot by a white cop has been misconfigured into a race riot. Yes, a big black thug had an unfortunate reversal & got killed as a result of his bad attitude and behavior. The same could have happened to a big white thug. In my mind, there are 2 parts to this story and neither is about racial animus.

    The 1st is about the pervasive, overarching attitude of local, state, and federal law enforcement officers toward disrespect and contempt of all citizens, regardless whether they pose any threat. The infrequent contacts that I have had with local or state cops leave me with a very bad feeling due to their overly aggressive, disrespectful, police state tactics. Police have too much power in our society! The idea that cops can charge anyone with anything they want, regardless of veracity or proof, is the biggest travesty of all in our “democratic” society.

    The 2nd part is about the breakdown of familial pride in lower level America, affecting both white and black. Lack of personal, occupational, or moral conviction allows many in this group to give up on life’s essential struggles and seek the easier shelter of g’ovt and/or crime. Only the family, not gov’t, impresses the value of work upon youngsters.

  • Russ Perrine

    Four major guests appeared on The Factor tonight. Only one made a clear presentation and was not challenged by Bill O’Reilly. That speaks for itself.

    • Watsur Point

      The sky is blue, but only people who were outside during the day and looked up saw it. That speaks for itself.

      • Russ Perrine

        Someone once said, a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. Maybe this will help. The guest who made his case clearly was the host of this very web site. Bernie Goldberg stated on air as he did in the above article, Ferguson never would have become this spectacle had both key individuals been members of the same race. The spark that blew up this shooting was the gigantic error by the local police chief of holding back the name of the officer and his first hand account for days after the event. That gap created a vacuum of truth for all the agitators to stand on…and they sure did!

        • Watsur Point

          Thank you for clarifying, Russ. The information regarding the police officer having been taken to the hospital should have been immediately released. The extent of his injuries should have been made public when they were diagnosed. The identification of the officer should have been done as soon as he and his family were safe from harm. The video of Mr. Brown should have been shown sooner, or at least a description of those events should have been released much earlier. That may have calmed some nerves, but I have a feeling that the stars were aligned for a serious reaction here, regardless. If O’Reilly didn’t challenge Bernie, it may be that in some fashion he had already stated a similar opinion. To quote O’Reilly on other occasions, “I don’t know… I wasn’t there.” The result is that the lack of information to the public allowed for a lot of speculation and rumor (I.e., Brown was shot in the back) that fed a frenzy of outrage, needless other injuries, looting and property damage. Lots of mistakes by the officials by not being more open. Lots of mistakes by some of the agitators for not behaving within the law.

          • Watsur Point

            … and I might add, lots of mistakes by the media in their coverage…

  • a

    what if the cop were black and the kid white? you would not have heard about it because that cop would be in jail…period

    • scott autry

      Wrong.

    • z

      Ridiculous statement.

    • macveen

      The cop would been put on administrative leave with pay, followed by a fake investigation of the police spun facts, with a fake semi-judicial justification of the officer’s action. The murderer would be back on the beat 2 weeks later, not much bothered by a dime lost. Standard Police Procedure in white or black America,

      • Observer

        A very opinionated, cynical view.

        • scott autry

          macveen said he believes the cops can arrest anybody they want anytime they want for anything – so – he clearly has no clue about what really goes on.

          Liability, liability, liability – that is a dominating thought among law enforcement and in the schools…

          Administrators act like they are terrified of being sued. So, they are ready to cut you off at the drop of the hat, leaving you to possibly fend for yourself, if any trouble might arise.

          Police in many areas also operate under the umbrella of city councils peopled by individuals who don’t like cops who will certainly not back you up if push comes to shove.

          Macveen has been watching too much Hollywood.

          Cops will be very reluctant to turn on each other – but – beyond that – they are often not supported by others in gov in many local communities.

    • Steve Fair

      Thank you.

  • Phil

    You’re using logic Bernie, and experience has taught me that irrational emotion will always win out over logic. And there is no irrational emotion any stronger than while liberal guilt.

  • Oberserver

    “Children on a school bus held their hands in the air and chanted “Hands up, don’t shoot!” as their vehicle passed the spot where two St. Louis city police officers shot and killed a black man brandishing a knife Tuesday.” –NBC News.
    And the victimization beat goes on, generation after generation. And the symbol of victimhood passes from hoodies to hands in the air. All before all the facts are known.

    • scott autry

      Yep. This is what happens when an education becomes social justice indoctrination and core institutions like academia, the media, and Hollywood aim to Balkanize the society…

  • scott autry

    What is a difference between the immigrant working class (and that from the 1950s) vs the native one of today?

    We’ve moved from a culture of — Earn It! – to – We Deserve It!!…

    And I mean all ethnic varieties of the working class. Hard work and dedication to goals (if social mobility is a priority) has been replaced by hoping for worker’s comp or winning the lotto or getting extras from the government…

  • scott autry

    This “they do it because there aren’t any jobs” crap got me to thinking of a few items: Bulworth, Reds, Roc, Good Times, and The Cosby Show.

    There is a scene in Bulworth where the Red-loving Warren Beatty starts rapping a theme he picked up from gangsta thug – about how you shouldn’t expect much else from the black community besides dealing drugs because you can’t earn a living at McDonalds…

    …but…you can…AH. I worked at Wendy’s in high school, and in point of fact, the day shift was peopled by mostly middle aged individuals earning their living. (Countless others do it in supermarkets, retail stores, and other jobs that don’t require a college degree.)

    Like I noted elsewhere in this thread, Hispanic and other immigrants seem to have earned a living for decades across the United States…

    I remember hearing that Cosby’s original idea was Cliff would be a plumber, but, they decided – in the 80s – what was more needed than showing a stable, values oriented, successful black blue-collar family was a professional, upper-middle class, successful black family. That was probably the right call back then.

    But, one of the good things about Roc was just an average Joe family man. So was James in Good Times.

    And I remember hearing someone on TV saying how disappointing it was when the show wrote the father out of the picture by having him move to Alaska for work. How it was better to show a double-parented black household.

    Liberals are at least condescending and prejudice when they talk down to the black community and excuse scenes of violence and looting on the news as just being something you’d have to expect from people living in poverty…

    I know it is patronizing to the working class community I grew up in.

    But, that is part of The Left’s disdain for the working-class that shoved me away from them…

    • scott autry

      And if service industry work or what Koreans call 3-D jobs (difficult, dirty, dangerous) aren’t your cup of tea – then get an education – or work your butt off in a retail store (or fast food) so you can move up the ladder to better paying management positions…

      To say there is not economic opportunity for minorities in today’s America is just flat out wrong. It’s proven so by a wide variety of immigrant families who land on our soil every year with pennies in their pocket.

      And to say you can only expect violence and other crime from the non-Middle Class is elitist, prejudicial BS…

    • scott autry

      For that matter, there is also me and my wife: We lived in Hawaii, with one of the highest cost of livings in the nation – whIle I was a grad student – and we lived off her $7 – 40 hours a week job… Which is another reason why this “excuse them because they’re poor and frustrated” meme has become too irritating…

  • Harvey Cedars

    So you believe that absent Sharpton the black communities in Ferguson and Staten Island would simply throw some dirt on Michael Brown and Eric Garner and move on? No one knows what happened between the cop and the kid? Unlike you who have the luxury of viewing these incidents from a distance and in isolation, for the citizens of these communities incidents like these are viewed in the context of how they live. For you to trivialize their protests as nothing more than a conditioned response to Sharpton pushing their buttons is the height of presumptuousness and sanctimony. Yeah, you would never know the name Trayvon Martin if Zimmerman was allowed to walk free by virtue of his “stand your ground” rights, as was the case until the liberal media focused on it and forced the issue. Goldberg your ignorance is only exceeded by your predictability. Your views on the black community as a single entity defined by the least of them, bearing the burden of proving to the white community that they are collectively harmless, and that failing to meet that burden justifies white fear and by extension the use of deadly force, are well documented in this space.

    • scott autry

      Stand your ground…you hit one of the buttons.

      What have I learned? I’ve learned if you are not black and a black person is slamming the back of your head into the ground, don’t shoot, because the media will vilify you as a racist pig who deserves prison time for murder. So, you can lay there and hope he just stops at beating you up – taking your chances he might go too far in his rage and kill you – or – shoot him and have the wrath of black America and the liberal pseudo-champions of race run wild on the airwaves across the country calling for your head on a platter…

      What do I see in those communities where riots take place? Barring some evidence that the local authorities there are still enforcing a Jim Crowe environment, I see a community that thinks it can do whatever the heck it likes in terms of violence and crime and get away with it – because of the historical grievances the black community has.

      What I do know is – the poor giant of a kid robbed from a store including the use of force. Then, he runs into a cop as he is walking away. He ended up dead.

      But, all those rioters sure know what “actually” happened, right? And they have ample justification for violent protests and looting, right? Because they are black, right? Just let the oppressed minority blow off a little steam, right? Because white America deserves it, right?

      And people like me are the racists…sure…

      • Steve Fair

        You sure are and your rant just proved it. What about Trayvon Martin’s right to stand HIS ground???? He was the one being stalked by Zimmerman. Then shot. And Zimmerman was let go to go home. Eric Garner, what violence was he committing to get choked to death? Michael Brown was gunned down in cold blood. No pal, it’s YOU and people like you who think you can act out your racist assumptions with violence and that black people should just shut up and get over it. Not going to happen.

        • Jeff Webb

          >>What about Trayvon Martin’s right to stand HIS ground????<>Michael Brown was gunned down in cold blood.<<

          Hopefully your habit of stating suppositions as if they're fact is your worst vice. For it to be something else would be disturbing.

          I can't help but suspect that the people whose property was damaged or stolen by the rioters didn't do anything to deserve it.

    • Steve Fair

      Hear, hear!!!!!!!

    • scott autry

      “Your views on the black community as a single entity defined by the least of them, bearing the burden of proving to the white community that they are collectively harmless, and that failing to meet that burden justifies white fear and by extension the use of deadly force, are well documented in this space.”

      A fail on all fronts. No wonder Fair agreed with you…

      He didn’t label the entire black community as violent or white as harmless. Nor did he say whites were fearful and that’s why the two black guys in question were shot dead.

      Zimmerman didn’t shoot the guy because he was simply afraid. He did it because he was afraid for his life as the guy bashed his head into the ground. I’m sure you wouldn’t have pulled the trigger, right?

      We do also know the police officer had signs of a physical altercation on him. Not sure how extensive. I think we also know he was alone when he approached 2 suspects – one of which did in fact strong-arm rob a store…

      Was the cop justified in using deadly force? Don’t have enough info to make a guess.

      Neither do you. Except for like Mr. Fair, all you need to see to conclude the cop is guilty is — the color of his skin (and that of the victim).

      Black victim + white cop = obvious racism and murder…

      And we’re the racists…

    • scott autry

      And I want to repeat one more time: “are viewed in the context of how they live.” is a big insult to every hardworking, law-abiding citizen in that community – which is part of the point Mr. Goldberg was making.

  • buckrodgers

    Your watching the war on white people, for decades white Democrats who control the party have depended on African Americans to win elections, if African Americans stay home on election day, white democrats will surely lose, it seems the masters have suddenly become the slaves, refusing to even criticize a president who controls ninety percent of the vote and their future in politics, along with a media that has has always considered themselves the self appointed protectors and saviors of minorities, a lot of liberals are sixties agitators, who left their all white suburban neighborhoods, ran down to Mississippi to march with colored folks who were fighting for basic civil rights, were talking about Americas first generation of cowards, they hid in college while poor whites and African Americans were dying in the jungles of Vietnam, they became part of the free love generation that was going to change the world, they used their white skin and white privilege to seize control of Hollywood,the media and academia, they justified their own bigotry by labeling everybody but themselves a bigot, we have riots going on in Ferguson MO. because a black man robbed a convenience store, what happened after that will come out after a through investigation, but now we have the President of the United States,the Attorney General and the Governor of Missouri defending a fleeing felon, I for one don’t want an out of control police force shooting unarmed Americans for no apparent reason but with children losing their lives to random violence, for no apparent reason in the streets of New York and Chicago, running to the defense of a felon is a strange way to promote racial harmony in America.

    • Steve Fair

      Thank you Grand Kleagle. Another unarmed black man is shot dead by a white cop and this idiot says it’s a war on white people. You can’t make this stuff up.

      • Big Jeff

        You may disregard Steve Fair’s comment as a comment on what was written because he does not bother to read them with an open mind, only as an opportunity to attack by name calling. Forgive him Father…

        • Steve Fair

          So Jeff, you agree with “buckrodgers” that the shooting of Michael Brown and the protests afterward are symptomatic of a war on whites by liberal Democrats, who are predominately white themselves? People like Buck always love to stress the overwhelming black support for the Democratic party but conveniently ignore the fact that Asians, Hispanics and Jews support the Democrats in excess of 70% Wonder why that is?

          • Observer

            Ignorance.

  • libertycalls

    I applaud the author for attempting to turn the conversation from sensationalism to solutions. However, I am of the belief that many on both sides of the political spectrum are blind to the root causes for the decay we see in communities where high crime exists. Crime is the result of lack of opportunity and in no way related to race. The crime statistics that tend to indicate race is an issue ignore the history that led to the decay of intercity communities. This decay began after WWII when suburbanization began to take hold. Those that had the means to move to the suburbs did so and the manufacturing companies in those cities moved right along with them. In that time period there was no equality of opportunity for minorities who were largely relegated to service jobs supporting those that had these higher paying jobs. When those jobs moved to the suburbs, the need for services also went away. Along comes the Civil Rights movement of the 60’s which at least on paper and with the addition of affirmative action attempted to provide equal opportunity for minorities. This however came after the good opportunities had already left. In their infinite wisdom, our leaders decided to try to resolve this issue with subsistence payments to those in the intercity instead of providing employment opportunities which would have restored the socioeconomic mobility that was required to stem the decay. Although much damage has been done, it is never too late to change course. Instead of State incentives to move companies from suburb A to suburb B why not use some of those incentives to move them back to where this largely untapped workforce lives?

    • scott autry

      “Crime is the result of lack of opportunity and in no way related to race.” I now consider this brain candy – cotton candy. Sweet to the taste but void of substance.

      Economic opportunity since WWII has not declined. It’s improved. Even today. But, we don’t even have to debate that – because before the solidification of the Civil Rights Movement in the 1980s – economic participation for minorities – especially blacks – was significantly limited.

      Pointing to “poverty” as the reason for riots and high crime and so on just makes educated people feel better and helps them avoid other issues. In fact, it is an insult to urban and rural citizens alike…

      For ever thug loser who refuses to work in the service industry or branch out in the job search or relocate – there are others in the very same communities who hold down jobs and raise families.

      In fact, I’m sick of this “no opportunity” BS to excuse racism against whites and mask bigger root causes to the problems that plague some urban areas.

      I grew up seeing the ethnic demographics of my hometown area change dramatically with the rise of the Hispanic population. There was also a shape rise in Southeast Asians.

      You did not hear them moan and grown about “lack of opportunity”. They went to where the higher paying factor jobs were located. you also don’t see them rioting in the streets and going nuts.

      There are jobs. In fact, the rural poor likely have it significantly worse in this regard. But they are the kind of jobs the thugs won’t do…

      If you are black – and live in the city – and you have a job at a restaurant or retail store or some office or some building doing custodial work or garbage collection or any other of the jobs that allow a city to function – I would be pretty pissed off at how people like this guy above talks about you…which is how the media and academia treat you.

      You aren’t grabbing a pipe and bashing windows to steal stuff? What’s wrong with you? Quit your job and protest — maybe if you help do enough damage, the government will hire you on for higher pay and less work…

      • libertycalls

        You love to find ways to denigrate and twist peoples comments. Every large city has opportunity for service jobs and those are filled. The point was that service jobs offer very little socioeconomic mobility and with a shrinking population base there are not enough of them to go around.

        • scott autry

          All points I already addressed – whether you agree with them or not.

          Service industry and other unskilled labor can provide a little. In some of them, there is room for advancement.

          And again, if a working-class life isn’t one you can live with, and you don’t want to attempt to climb the ladder in fast food or other retail, then get an education – like the rural poor and anybody else who comes from a working-class background.

          Or, move to where you believe greater economic chances can be found, just like immigrants do every day of the year each decade…

          Stop condescending and prejudging – if you are a liberal elite.

          Or, look around at how others in your environment are getting by in life without rioting, looting, selling drugs, stealing, or whatever else you believe is justified because you weren’t born into a middle class family and you have a historical grievance against American society for the very real ills it inflicted on minorities for a long time.

          • libertycalls

            I am far from liberal nor am I elite anything. Just a middle class dude and from what I have read on this site the condescension and prejudging appears to be on the side of the people that are screaming “let them eat cake”

          • scott autry

            With “liberal elite” and “thug” I was speaking in general – not specifically you.

            Condescending and prejudice here: Against who? Liberals, the media, and rioters? Yeah.

            “Let them eat cake” – well, you can argue your viewpoint fair enough. It has been preached by the media, academia, and pop culture for decades.

            But I believe the historical record proves otherwise…

            Working class people can eat cake too…

            The key divide between you and me is on the availability of adequate employment. You complicate the matter by throwing in “social mobility”. Ultimately, i don’t believe your opinion can win…

            I won’t repeat why I believe that. I’ve said enough of it in prior comments…

          • libertycalls

            You keep bringing working class people into it…but they are not the ones rioting and looting…it is the ones that have given up hope. The question is how to restore that hope. I threw up a suggestion of why I believe they lost hope…then a potential free market solution. “Just move and get a job” only works if one is willing or able to move and get a job. I merely suggested moving the jobs a little closer to where the highest levels of long term unemployed live. I think this is what Jack Kemp proposed back in the 90’s but was rejected by the liberals because if it worked it may cost them part of their political base.

          • scott autry

            I don’t concede that the majority of people you usually see in riots like this are unemployed, hopeless individuals. But my point is – the vast majority would be “hopeless” by choice. That if they wanted to join the working class – they could. And I’m pointing to both working, law abiding people in the same community as well as other segments in the society who face similar challenges who find a way to enter the work force, pay their way, and don’t riot and loot when the opportunity presents itself…

    • scott autry

      Short Version: You don’t need $25/hr in a unionized gig to make a living and raise a family. “Poverty is the root of crime and violence” is an insult to working class people everywhere…

      • libertycalls

        not even close to what I said…but thanks for trying. A job vs. a handout was what I proposed. In addition I proposed moving the jobs closer to the places where unemployment is highest. Didn’t really seem like something to fly off the handle about but you managed it very well.

        • scott autry

          Exactly where did I miss it? You clearly pointed to poverty and said it was the root cause of crime and the problems we are seeing played out on TV and said poverty was the result of lack of jobs.

          My point was – whether you agree with it or not – that I don’t believe the message you and the media and academia and Hollywood are selling.

          The “its the economy that makes this happen” does not match history or the contemporary environment.

          There are plenty of people from the very same environment who prove it wrong every day…

  • brickman

    Bernie, the first two sentences that you wrote here are the best of your career.

  • SAWB69

    I hate that that kid got killed, but is that an excuse for a community to riot, loot, and pillage? Why does this always happen whenever there’s a perceived slight against blacks? The answer, as Jason Riley would probably say, is “pull up your pants, turn your hat around, speak English, support your children and make a difference”! Get a job, get involved, take the police exam so you can be on the force.

  • ninthsquad

    It is obvious Steve Fair is just baiting everyone with his remarks. He can stand behind all his let me see links and quotes. There are facts out there. He chooses to believe one side and everything else is a lie. He doesn’t know the facts of this case. His comment about the numbers of blacks who have died as a result of police actions shows his bias. It also shows the media’s bias by just giving out partial information. I saw the stupid thing in the paper. I know Steve they were all totally unjustified murders of black men who were angels on earth and just trying to save the world. How many of the incidents were justified? Blacks and whites and every other color are killed by the police and the vast majority are justified. Police are also killed by blacks, whites and people of all colors. The bottom line is this kid, based on the video from the store, wasn’t some perfect angel. He may have attacked the officer, there may or may not have been enough reason for the shooting but we don’t have those answers yet. The looting and violence is typical when people who don’t give a damn about this incident just want to go out and use the cover of it to let loose and steal for their own benefit as well as bait the police for more press. It is not everyone in Ferguson. I’m sure the people of Ferguson have issues with the police and I’m sure the police have issues with them. Sharpton and the like make their money off of race baiting and being loud in front of the media. People on both sides do it. You just have to let the crap they sometimes spew pass and just look for the reality. Objectively, which I believe Bernie does a good job of.

    • Briscoe

      Mr. Fair certainly isn’t fair. If the guy spent as much time actively looking for work, he’d be in management by now. But, longtime unemployment compensation, free internet and Obamaphones are more fun. He almost makes you appreciate the kind, gentle posts that Legal Eagle used to make.

      • Steve Fair

        LMAO!!!!! You racists make my point every time.

        • Jonathan

          Ditto. And the comment can apply to all sorts of people. You see racism in a potato chip.

        • alevanpa

          Steve,
          What the 7-11 video shows me is that Michael Brown was an overgrown, arrogant, thieving, bully and thug. It calls into question, as a myth, that he was just an innocent child excited about going off to college (although, maybe he was excited about college…I don’t know, however, how that changes what I saw of him on the video).

          On the other hand, that doesn’t mean that the officer who shot him is innocent-either of an improper use of force, or of an excessive use of force, or both. What I think it does show is that the word “justice” should mean, to everyone, that we do not jump to any conclusion and wait for all knowable facts to come out in a trial; and, for a jury to come to a decision based on those facts. That seems-again, to me-to be the only reasonable course for us fallible humans to take.
          Should there be demonstrations for “justice?” Of course there should! We should all be demonstrators for “justice.”
          Rioting, and looting and burning other citizens’ property, however, even when in the name of “justice”-in fact, especially when in the name of “justice”-is simply evil. It threatens everyone-you, me, our neighbors, the rioters themselves…everyone! It means, if allowed to stand unopposed, that not one of us is safe in our person. It means we are all subject to the vagaries of what “justice” can be made to mean to a mob-and how the mob can be made to act,. I’m reminded of Jonestown here, and what seemingly normal people can be talked into doing to themselves and to others in the name of “justice.”
          Anyway, peace, Steve. If we are lucky, life will go on, and we will be a better people for the Ferguson incident. If not, well….

  • Mark Creighton Sr.

    The liberals I know all had screaming fits for gun control when white children died at Sandy Hook. When 60 were shot in a weekend not a peep from them. Is this hypocrisy or racism? Nothing takes the sting out of social injustice like a FREE TV.

  • A smile a day keeps blues away

    Problems in Ferguson caused by outside agitators could be mitigated by requiring a photo I.D. to enter the city. Oh, I forgot, that would be agitator suppression.

    • Jeff

      Yep, gotta be careful… Eric the Red is coming to town!

  • Russ Perrine

    Perhaps this episode might draw to a close tonight if no rioting performs for all the NY based anchors who have been on assignment in Ferguson like its a political convention. The other concept of the “militarization” of police forces should also be laid to rest. When a high school age boy can visit any gun show and pull out some cash to purchase an AK-47 assault rifle and proceed to fire this weapon at a movie house/parking lot/mother asleep in bed/a friend he doesn’t like/classroom he attends/highway rest stop…then it’s obvious law enforcement must react in kind—in other words buy the same type weapons and cover vehicles. It is time to introduce unified gun controls to at least match the nationwide requirement to possess a valid drivers license to drive.

  • Dr. Rich Stiso

    I’m really getting pissed-off watching all this stuff going on in Ferguson, MO.
    I think I’m going to take out my frustrations by going downtown & breaking into & looting stores. Oh wait. I can’t do
    that. I’m white. I’ll be shot.

    • Steve Fair

      You got it backwards. White people don’t “loot”. They “find things”. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/van-jones/black-people-loot-food-wh_b_6614.html

      • Dr. Rich Stiso

        As hard as I try, I don’t see any white folks among the looters, I mean liberators, as Al Sharpton calls them. Maybe my eyesight is failing me!.

        • Steve Fair

          Sharpton called the looters “liberators”? I call bullcrap. Produce the quote and link.

          • Dr. Rich Stiso
          • Steve Fair

            You’re pathetic. So you have evidence that the people at that church rally were looters?

          • Dr. Rich Stiso

            I don’t answer ad hominem attacks.

          • Bob Hadley

            OK, let me ask the question in a civil manner. What evidence do you have that the audience addressed by Rev. Sharpton were looters?
            Above, you imply that Rev. Sharpton was addressing looters when he said that they’re liberators.
            The information I ‘m getting from the various news outlets (including FNC) is that the looters and rioters are coming at night from outside the community and many from out-of-state.

          • Tim Ned

            In all fairness to Al Sharpton (I don’t follow his politics and would guess we don’t share similar ideals) it appears his speech was to call out the looters specifically. He wasn’t calling the looters liberators.

            http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/08/17/sharpton-we-have-had-enough/

          • Dr. Rich Stiso

            Bob, I would hope that there weren’t any looters in that audience. Only Sharpton knows what he meant. He said “Don’t loot in Michael’s name. We are not looters. We are liberators.” I assume he was talking about black people in general. My question is, liberators of what? From what I see on TV, the only things being liberated were the goods from the shelves of the stores.

          • Bob Hadley

            “I don’t see any white folks among the looters, I mean liberators, as Al Sharpton calls them.”

            Why in the world would you assume he was talking about black people in general? So you assumed that he was saying that, generally, the millions of blacks across the nation (not mention across the globe) are liberators? That seems quite a stretch! And, even assuming he was talking about black people in general, then you were insinuating that black people in general are looters.

            Wouldn’t it be more logical to conclude that he was calling the people to whom he was speaking (i.e. his audience) or the protesters liberators?
            It seems like you leaped tall buildings in order to arrive at your “assumption.”

          • brickman

            Especially when the attack is true on the facts. How is that an ad hominem attack?

          • Dr. Rich Stiso

            Maybe you should look up the phrase ad hominem.

          • Bob Hadley

            I asked you question below without an ad hominem attack. Care to answer?

  • Ed I

    None of us were there. Certainly none of the African American organizational leaders were there. And as usually with all the media hype and the federal government involvement we may never know what happened. Yet even Bernie calls the young man that got shot by the police a “kid.” How is ANY law enforcement officer suppose to react when an over six foot, 300 pound person resists arrest; especially one that the police have strong reason to believe had already been violent? How would you react? I remain amazed and saddened that the black leaders and the media are outraged when a young black is shot by the police but remain silent when black on black violence continues unabated in our major cities. There young black men taking to the morgue almost every night shot by other young black men, always with an illegal firearm. The liberal and black leadership response is almost always screaming for more control of guns owned by law abiding citizens and more money to be dumped after the trillions spent over the past fifty years. We seldom if ever hear any real, thoughtful solutions coming from either the black leadership or our liberal politicians about how to solve black on black inner city violence.

    • Steve Fair

      You have evidence that Brown resisted arrest?

      • Ed I

        You really don’t read all of someone’s comments before responding do you? However, I asked a QUESTION. Let’s try again. How is any law enforcement officer suppose to react to a much larger person, who they expect has already been violent, that resist arrest???????? I didn’t even suggest that Brown resisted arrest. I started by saying NONE of us were there, especially those leading the protest. You are obviously a “watcher,” someone who watches what is perceived as a conservative site and takes inane verbal shots at anyone who you perceive is either (a) a conservative or (b) might make sense to others. It is now SOP for the political left. Instead of having an intelligent and logical debate, the game is attack ad hominem.

        • brickman

          Police are trained to call for backup in that case. One thing that I don’t understand is the contention that the cop tried to pull Brown in the car and Brown resisted. Every cop that I know ALWAYS cuffs a person before putting them in the cruiser.

          • Tim Ned

            As you stated above about Bernie’s best sentence. “We don’t know” what happened.

          • brickman

            I do not claim to know what happened in Ferguson. I do know however that police in NJ do not put an uncuffed suspect in the back of a cruiser even if the perp is being arrested for a minor crime. That was what I was commenting on.

      • Mike Curtis

        Fractured the cop’s eye socket and broke his nose. What do you call that? Blind to the evidence?

  • Steve Fair

    Goldberg barfs “I’m pretty sure if George Zimmerman had been black, we’d never know the name Trayvon Martin”. Well Bernie, if George Zimmerman had been black, the cops damn sure wouldn’t have pulled up on him standing over a dead body with a smoking gun and asked him “What happened?” Then let him go home. And not be arrested for two months. Only after community complaint. You clowns just don’t get it. And obviously don’t want to.

    • Tim Ned

      My understanding is that Zimmerman was arrested and taken into custody after the shooting and later released. He was later charged with a crime after the community complaint.

      • Steve Fair

        So he did sleep in his own bed the same night he profiled, stalked and then murdered an unarmed kid who was committing no crime. Glad we can agree on that.

        • jackietreehorn3

          I don’t doubt you see things differently than others that read Bernie’s site. My question to you is when are we going to see this kind of outrage from the African American community for the black on black crime that decimates their urban neighborhoods on a yearly basis? Black men killing black men in record numbers every year. Where are the democratic leaders and activists, and media to shed light on this horrible situation. I think it’s horrible this kid got killed. But I feel worse for the 7 year old girl selling lemonade who gets murdered, or the 13 year old girl who gets shot in the head in her own home baking cookies by a stray bullet. This happens every week in the city I live in. And all I hear is a 1 minute news story at best, and a bunch of people who live by a street code of never snitching on what they see. I have no doubt there are bad cops in every department, but as someone who lives in Chicago I think cops killing kids is pretty far down the list of things destroying the African American community. I just want activists , news media and people who live in these neighborhoods to start shedding some light on these things rather than taking a horrible incident and race bating. I’m sure you’ll disagree, but that’s how i feel

          • Steve Fair

            First of all I reject your premise. Black men are not decimating each other in record numbers. As a matter of fact in most urban areas, homicides are at 30 year lows. And every black neighborhood, not even most, are crime ridden ghettoes. There ARE many safe, peaceful, well kept black communities. Second off, what do you expect to accomplish by protesting criminals? You think that they are going to listen? They thrive on chaos and nihilism. That’s why we have police. To protect innocent citizens and fight criminals. When you have police gunning down unarmed, innocent black men just because they PRESUME them to be violent criminals, then you have a societal breakdown.

          • jackietreehorn3

            Name another race of men that kill each other year in and year out at the rate that African Americans do? There have been over 1,200 people shot( Chicago Tribune) since Jan 1 in Chicago. 90% of them African American by African Americans. White on black crime is not a huge problem in America, yet its exploited to the point where one would think it’s the number one problem facing the black community. It’s completely agenda driven. Also I agree there are great African American communities all over the country. I’m not arguing that point. I am pointing out that potential crimes like the one in Ferguson are exploited by liberal media and activists with an agenda, And I wish they would take that energy and put it toward bigger problems facing the black community. If you don’t think black on black crime is a bigger problem than white on black crime, then i fundamentally disagree with you.

          • Steve Fair

            Are you insane? First off where did you get the 1200 figure from? Let’s see a link. I KNOW that’s a lie. There are more murders in cities like Moscow, Caracas and Baghdad in one month than there are in any American city in a year. You really believe that the liberal media is EXPLOITING Ferguson???? You don’t believe that those citizens, who are predominately law abiding and employed are sick and tired of police brutality and violence? It never ceases to amaze me how white rightwingers swear up and down they know the reality of black life in America than black people themselves.

          • jackietreehorn3

            Google shooting victims in Chicago 2014….the actual number is 1,258 its from Jan1. -Aug19th

          • jackietreehorn3

            I don’t know the reality of black life. I don’t claim to know. I do know there’s been a ton of horrific black on white crime way worse than this that never gets media attention, and black on black crime that gets none. YES, this is being exploited

          • Steve Fair

            Absolute nonsense that you couldn’t prove if your life depended on it.

          • Briscoe

            Again, shoot off your mouth before you blink, much less think.

          • Steve Fair

            And just what are you doing here?

          • Briscoe

            Trying to get you to calm down and converse rather than say the same thing over and over again for two days. We get it already! Anger will never communicate a means to understanding. Aren’t you late for work?

          • Briscoe

            Isn’t it interesting how conversation trends to “black life” “white life” etc. Those are absolutely ridiculous classifications. White life? Black life? As if we all experience life based on skin color? I know of a lot of rich white and black people; and a lot of poor black and white people; and a lot of both colors who fall in between. Donald Trump has more in common with Oprah Winfrey than either one has with me… The race mongers keep the divisions going. It’s time to come into the 21st Century.

          • Steve Fair

            I’m not the one talking about the “serious problems in the black community”.

          • Briscoe

            My comment wasn’t addressed to you.

          • jackietreehorn3

            I was just trying to have a constructive conversation with Steve and he steers it off course. Angry dude….

          • jackietreehorn3

            Your right. Everything is fine. Statisticly blacks are thriving. There’s no problems. Home’s with fathers everywhere. The stat of 7/10 black families not having a father in the home is another lie. No problems with children having children. Gangs not a problem. The number of blacks graduating from college and getting jobs is thru the roof! Percentage of blacks committing violent crime and being incarcerated isn’t an issue. I finally found out where you live….Fantasyland

          • Steve Fair

            Jack, quite frankly you’re a racist clown.

            · There are more Black Males in College[1] than in Jails, Prisons, Private
            Corrections, Military Jails and Institutions for the Criminally Insane
            combined[2] (1,236,443 in College/841,000 Incarcerates – regardless of age)

            · 4 to 1: The ratio of 18-24 year old Black Males in College[3] vs. Jails,
            Prisons, Private Corrections, Military Jails and Institutions for the
            Criminally Insane[4].

            (674,000 in College/164,400 Incarcerates)

            32.3% (1 in 3) Black Males ages 18-24 are enrolled in College[5]

            (674,000 in College/2,082,000 Total)

            1.37 to 1: The ratio of 18-24 year old Black Females enrolled in College to
            Black Males[6].

            (930,000 Black Females Enrolled/674,000 Black Males Enrolled)

            6.3%: Black Males (age 18-55+) enroll in College at a higher rate by sex
            than White Males and Hispanic Males and are surpassed only by Asian Males[7].

            (Black Males is 6.3%, White Males is 5.8%, Hispanic Males is 4.7%, and Asian
            Males is 9.7%)

            25.1% of Black Males (age 25 or over) have either an Associates, Bachelors,
            Masters, Professional, or Doctoral Degree[8].

            (2,519,000 with Degrees/10,018,000 Total)

            82.1% of Black Males (age 18 or over) have at least a High School Diploma or
            GED[9] .

            (9,897,000 with HS Diploma or GED/12,044,000 Total)

            12.1%: The Black Male Dropout Rate[10] (ages 16-24) for 2012.

          • jackietreehorn3

            The last resort of a person who disagrees with you when it comes to race, call them racist. I tried to have a constructive conversation, you steered it in this direction. Just because I don’t see your point of view doesn’t make me racist. I won’t be responding to you. Your an angry guy.

          • Steve Fair

            You moral outrage is duly noted Jack but I get sick and tired of white conservatives, most of whom never had a meaningful conversation with a black person, telling me what my reality is. Your conversation was hardly constructive. You are convinced that the black community is a cesspool of violence, failure and pathology and I reject that.

          • Another Steven A.

            And you can tell what color a person is by reading a comment? Seems to me you are bringing your own prejudice to the table.

          • Steve Fair

            Please shut up.

          • jackietreehorn3

            Understood,i guess my takes are based off the the environment i live in.. I also don’t feel that way about the entire black community. The whole basis of my argument was I felt this incident in Ferguson was being exploited by liberals and activists, and there were greater issues that could use that passion. My skin color shouldn’t have anything to do with that opinion. I also felt you were combative as well from the start. Anyway, next time maybe we can find common ground

          • Smythe

            Jackie, it’s a noble thought to believe you might find common ground with this guy. It doesn’t happen with people of his mindset. The only common ground is when you give in to his belief system. I’ve seen it too many times on these blogs: some people only want to argue, call names and never acknowledge another person’s point of view as having some validity. They demand proof of an argument and when that is provided, they discount and reject it, then demand more and more and more until they wear you out and you give up in frustration. With those people there is never a “common ground.” God bless you.

          • jackietreehorn3

            Thanks. All you can do is keep trying I guess.

          • Steve Fair

            Oh I guess I’m supposed to accept his characterization of my people as violent, unproductive emotional cretins? The nerve.

          • Smythe

            “My People?” “My People?” Good God, man! I remember when Ross Perot got crucified for referring to “Your People.” Imagine a white man using the term “My People.” You are the consummate divider. You have learned well from Brother Al and Brother Jesse. Keep the pot boiling. No response is necessary.

          • Steve Fair

            LMAO!!!!!! You clowns are a laugh a minute. We’re all one big colorless human family, huh? Except that, in your mind, blacks are more violent, less productive and unacademic. Too much!!

          • Smythe

            There you go again, telling someone else what they think. It must be a very strange, labyrinthine world in which you live. Again, don’t embarrass yourself further. No response is necessary. I agree with the guy that reminded you that you’re late for work. Goodbye.

          • Steve Fair

            No there YOU go. Pathetically making excuses for the vile racism that permeates pages like this and showing high umbrage against any black man who stands up to it. Yeah, run for the floorboards where you belong.

          • Another Steven A.

            Steve, you see racism everywhere you look. Persecution complex? Obviously. When are you going to work?

          • Steve Fair

            No shortbus. I see it all over this page. Speaking of work, where are you posting from? The throne?

          • Another Steven A.

            The guy that said you have a persecution complex is right. All anyone has to do is read the crap you’ve spread around here. Poor you. Grow up.

          • jackietreehorn3

            That number is dead on as far as shootings go in Chicago

          • Steve Fair

            LIES.

          • jackietreehorn3
          • jackietreehorn3

            you can take back calling me a liar now

          • Steve Fair

            Where does it indicate that these shootings were black on black?

          • jackietreehorn3

            You obviously don’t live here

          • Mike Curtis

            Steve you truly are ignorant.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            I like how whenever someone provides him with an undisputed fact, he replies with “That’s insane!” or “Are you crazy???”

            Until he makes at least an attempt to educate himself on what he reflexively argues against, I suggest that we all stop doing his homework for him.

            Well… I’ll give him this last little freebie: http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings

          • jackietreehorn3

            As far as the Zimmerman situation, are you just ignoring the fact he was assaulted with his nose broken? I’ve had people follow me before looking for an opportunity to rob me walking in my city, thats not how I handled it. And as far as the Mike Brown situation, I’ll wait until all the facts are out before i form an opinion. The story changes everyday

          • Steve Fair

            if Zimmerman had kept his ass in his truck and gone home as he was instructed there would have been no confrontation or altercation. ZIMMERMAN caused the turn of events that evening and he is guilty.

          • Briscoe

            Seems to me that a lynch mob mentality that prejudges a policeman before all the facts are known, that demands prosecution before the facts are known, that creates crowds of angry people that would take matters into their own hands if the policeman could be found…is already evidence of a societal breakdown. Sounds like the old west: hang’em first and get the facts later.

          • Steve Fair

            Sounds like that what happened to Michael Brown. Shoot first, ask questions later.

          • Briscoe

            You don’t even take a breath, a moment to even think about what anyone says. You are so angry, you can’t think straight enough to have a conversation. If we were talking in person, you’d be the guy that talks loud and talks over people. Why don’t you take a break?

          • Steve Fair

            But you guys are all cool headed reason? LMAO!!!!!!!!!!

          • fitzsimmons Photography

            Nice!! Is that cool headed reason?

        • Tim Ned

          First, I was setting the facts out as I understood them to be. And you may be quite surprised that as a white conservative, I am extremely confused even after the trial of Zimmerman how Martin was killed (possibly murdered). This didn’t seem to be a kid that fit the profile of a thug or criminal. If Martin blatantly attacked Zimmerman out of the clear blue which it seems the defense was cable of proving and if true, than Zimmerman had the right to defend himself. However I do not believe this to be the case.

  • Russ Perrine

    What was the value of hiding this police officers name for several days after the shooting in Missouri ? Hiding his name and first hand account of what really happened means there must be something to hide. Surely they have a building out there that could protect this officer. And putting his first hand account out front with minutes of the event would erase tons of mis-information and rumors that caused the days of rioting. It would also invite any other witnesses to confirm or deny what the officer actually did. This was not the Cuban missile crisis where super secrecy ruled. Bernie G is absolutely correct this would be a non event had a few ethnic facts been different. The smoking gun here is hiding facts that created a vacuum of truth for all the crazies to feast on.

    • scott autry

      Unfortunately, this is thanks to the judicial system.

      Whether they have a good point or not, anyone who might be charged with a crime or sued in the near future is told by lawyers to keep their mouth shut. It is standard operating procedure. Even if it does look bad to the public and flame speculation tremendously.

      The parents of Jonbenet Ramsey come to mind… Maybe they were guilt of the murder of their little daughter. Maybe not. But, to the public, it looked odd that they called their family lawyer to meet at their house (where the crime took place) at the same time they called the cops…

      Lawyers worry about the courts. Not court of public opinion. Unless they are with the suspected victim or person who might sue. Then, you can’t get them away from the TV cameras…

      It’s screwed up. I don’t know how valid the lawyer’s point is, though…

  • TJ

    Were the new Black Panthers “bussed in” from Oakland? I heard they were.
    “Rent-a-mobs” have been around a long time. How “convenient” would it be
    for serious civil unrest to be so great that Presidential elections would be suspended in 2016 – just a thought.

    • scott autry

      “serious civil unrest to be so great”

      I’m possible and so for the foreseeable future. The late-60s and 70s were worse than this. Chicago continued the presidential convention despite chaos in the streets. Democracy is still the felt-bedrock of our society. There is only so much you can get away with. Which is why people during the Bush years talking about a police state (or now) is too much hyperbole…

      By and large, the American people are – disinterested. Voter turnout being so low is a sign of it. But, the masses shouldn’t be underestimated like Japan was over Pearl Harbor. They will recognize a genuine threat to our system – and respond.

      It will take the institutional Left – the media, academia, and the Entertainment industry – about another quarter to half a century to warp the public’s mind enough to condition it to an overthrow of the democratic systems we have today.

      • rgcomega

        Scott – I don’t think the America people are disinterested, we have just encountered one of the holes in democracy which presumes people by nature are good, value freedom, and society operates under the rule of law. The Founders gave us protections and warned us about taking freedom for granted. But the payoff is here! It gets messy when the bad guys overwhelm the system and the only tool we have short of anarchy is the ballot box. Normal people are not going to react contrary to custom unless and until they are personally, directly at risk (like Pearl Harbor of after 9/11), otherwise we expect “the system” to regulate itself as designed. Problem is, the bad guys have spent over a century dumbing down the American people, conditioned us to believe government knows better than any citizen, that religion and social morality are limiting evils, divided us into class, race, and gender opposites, and now steal around half of our wages to pay for their eccentricities. If we think we have trouble with terrorists, we’re right; but they aren’t half the threat to America as we are to ourselves because so far we have no answer to this Coup d’Etat by the elite left. We need a peoples movement (forget the Republican Party) to stop this erosion.

        • scott autry

          I have minor disagreements with a couple of things you said:

          I think our founding fathers had a generally negative view of human nature. That is why they created democracy – with a core value being making power diluted/defused. They created checks-n-balances to make sure power didn’t concentrate in too many hands. They pitted states against the federal government. They created overlapping legal jurisdictions. The created a representative democracy – not a full-fledged, majority rules outright one…

          So, I think, the system has too many built-in checks to prevent rapid systemic changes – and that gives the people enough time to wake up and get motivated.

          And we’ve seen far worse times – like the Great Depression and the rough periods of the 60s and 70s. The system is pretty strong, and the people aren’t brain-dead enough (yet).

          • rgcomega

            Different slant, but right on point re the FF. I didn’t state my case well. Don’t quite agree with the comparison of the Great Depression, or the 60-70’s in this respect…they were challenging times without question, but those challenges were not about the “change we can believe in” destruction of the basic ethos of America, the dismantling of the Constitution, liberalization of the law to fit ideology rather than principle, and at least for the Depression certainly not instituting class and gender warfare. Plus, the Depression gave Roosevelt the leverage the Progressives had been searching for for nearly 50 years…social reform to enlarge the scope and role of federal government.

  • El_Tigre_Loco

    Not to mention the number of black babies offed by abortion!

    • scott autry

      I agree in part. It fits with a message people like Bill Cosby have been telling the black community for a long time now. It also fits a primary message I’d like to hear across the country regarding education:

      It doesn’t take a village to raise a child – it takes parents – preferably all 3 living in the same house.

      I don’t care if you point the finger at urban or rural poor and failing schools common in those communities: The blame starts at home.

      People can preach economic inequality all they want, but that influence is nothing compared to the damage caused by broken homes and parents not teaching positive core values. The United States and other true-liberal economic and social democracies have generated far more social mobility than any other national system in history. It was one of the defining themes in the rise of democracy.

      And the crime rate in America has risen DESPITE the growth in civil rights and greater economic prosperity and participation.

      And here I’m not just talking about crime rates in this or that community: I’m talking about the society as a whole…

      So, all the talk about how the government must do something to stem the tide and blah blah blah is — BS…

      America has not seen crime rise and rise and rise because economic opportunity has gotten worse and worse and worse and racism has gotten deeper and deeper and deeper…

      It is obvious the opposite is true – but – nobody – especially no politician – wants to point the finger at average John and Joan Smoe as the people to blame due to their being divorced and inattentive to their children and expecting the schools and local and federal gov/community to take care of them.

      The disintegration of the home is a leading cause of the rise of several serious social problems.

      (And it was greater economic prosperity and participation that made this possible.)

      • TJ

        There has been no more horrific treatment than that delivered to the Jewish people, yet they prosper and thrive. Out of an utter
        wasteland, they made an oasis in Israel. Some of the best minds
        and most contributing people have been Jewish, yet they are still hated around the world. Do they riot? Do they destroy property
        that does not belong to them? Do they demand support or preferential treatment? Do they cut off heads, hang or stone
        other human beings and call it “honor killing”. Most of us have no idea what they have been through and still are living with just to survive on a daily basis. If those who want a world-wide Caliphate decide to get serious in this country, ALL other complaints will seem minuscule in contrast. AMERICA, WAKE UP!!

      • scott autry

        And, the break up of families as a root cause for many social ills cuts through racial issue BS. Whatever the color of the majority of the people in a community, if stability within the home – including 2-parent stability – is in the majority, you will find fewer ills. You’ll find less crime and higher achievement in education or other areas.

        If you have a community, regardless of ethnicity, in which broken homes are the norm, you’re going to find greater problems.

        This is the proven record of the last 50 years.

        But, when conservatives point this out, they are ridiculed in the press as being out-of-touch dinosaurs who are only trying to push Christian morality.

        That instead of pointing out the foundation of problems we need to work on fixing – the “family values” people are a bunch of over-the-top Christians whose real agenda is religious proselytizing.

        Which distracts people enough that the Left is not threatened on the version of America they prefer — instead of families – people come to rely on the state….

        The village raises your kids for you…

  • soundnfury

    It’s the Bonfire of the Vanities writ large.

  • JASVN67

    That thin blue line of officers is what keeps our society safe on the streets in the cities and towns where we live. Society ask them to do a most difficult job with little recognition for the good they do. Take them away for just one day and chaos on the streets would reign and what you have in Ferguson, Missouri would be a common day occurrence in our daily lives. Thugs and criminals would rule, and I take what I want, when I want, would be the rule of law.
    The officer, Darren Wilson, has the presumption of innocence until proven guilty in a Court of Law. It seems some are far to willing to take that from him to promote their own agenda! The looters, the race baiters have no place in that town. It is a shame a young man had to lose his life! What was going through his head that fateful day, when he entered that convenient store and committed a strong armed robbery, and later was walking down the middle of the street in traffic? It certainly wasn’t respect for the law bidding citizens of Ferguson, Mo.
    If that officer is found to be guilty in a Court of Law his life and career are over. But even if he is found innocence, life for him and his family will never be the same!

    • scott autry

      His career is over no matter what.

  • SkyCitizen

    Bernie you’ve done it again, confronted the media with the facts and in turn they will bend them into profit and controversy.

    As a conservative I try to see things through a liberal lens. Your analogous comparison of middle east problems and black on black crime is right on.

    When Police get tough on rioters and looters or Israel gets tough on terrorists who hide within the local population, according to reportage, that could be a crime against humanity. But when blacks murder blacks and Islamic terrorists kill Jews, Christians and other Islamic believers the press defaults to liberal rationalization. Sort of like the song in WEST SIDE STORY Gee, Officer Krupke “I’m depraved on account I’m deprived.”

    This faulty logic of liberals to marginalize real crimes against humanity because they have a beef should in no way give safe harbor to acts that in any court of law, in any country, would not minimize the act itself.

    This, in a nutshell. is the liberal lens through which we get so called reporting.

  • Steve Fair

    Unbelievable stat…

    “From 2006 to 2012, a white police officer killed a black person at least twice a week in this country,”

    • scott autry

      Links help…

    • scott autry

      And how does this fit in with your earlier use of and rebuttal of stats on black-on-black violent crime and not jumping to racial conclusions?

      How many black officers shot a black suspect? Any stats on that or ideas of what it could mean?

      • Steve Fair

        Do you really believe that black officers, who have black male relatives and friends, are as likely to reflexively view their mirror reflections as threats? You’re a black man? Do you fear your own people?

        • Phineas J Whoopee

          You should. Blacks killing Blacks an epidemic here in Chicago. Fear your neighbor, not the police. Black men 60 x more likely to be killed by another Black man vs a police officer.

          • Steve Fair

            Epidemic my ass. As a matter of fact homicides in Chicago are at 30 year lows. Primarily intramural carnage between gangstas and drug dealers.

          • Phineas J Whoopee

            Yes, homicides are down in Chicago, but the homicides that DO occur are concentrated on the west and south sides. Are you seriously going to tell me that black murder victims are not killed by and large by othe blacks?

          • Phineas J Whoopee

            Yes. And the gangstas and drug dealers ruin the neighborhoods for law abiding residents AND kill innocents in their nonsense.

          • Steve Fair

            And white murder victims are killed by and large by other whites. What’s your point? Do you believe an employed middle class black man is inherently more violent than his white counterpart? ANSWER THE QUESTION.

          • Phineas J Whoopee

            Relax. I don’t type quickly. No, I wouldn’t say that. I answered your question. Don’t yell. Be civil.

          • scott autry

            “Primarily intramural carnage between gangstas and drug dealers.” I can believe that.

            I can also believe that racism has little to do with those and other bodily crimes among such a crowd.

            Just as I assume when cops are involved in shootings, it is probably related to the fact they are paid to deal with major crimes and the people who commit them…

            …and am willing to admit that assumption is wrong when I’m presented with facts in individual cases indicate the cop was trigger happy or a racist or whatnot…

            I don’t assume a white cop involved in a shooting is a racist any more than I would a black cop shooting a white suspect after being dispatched by 911 to a robbery call…

          • Steve Fair

            What black cops shooting white suspects? WHERE?

          • scott autry

            True. Much harder to find links for that stuff. Because the media doesn’t care, because it doesn’t fit what they want to preach to the society about the “true nature of race relations” in America.

            If you’ve read Mr. Goldberg’s books, I seem to remember, you’d have noticed how the media even goes to the extend of refusing to describe the ethnicity of a suspect or person involved if they deem it isn’t relevant to the story (meta-narrative).

            So – “White Cop Kills Black Suspect” becomes “Cop Kills Suspect” —- and falls off the front page —- when the big media doesn’t see a racial angle to play up to convince average Americans we’re still trapped in Jim Crowe days…

            (You do realize you’re proving a lot of other people’s points on this thread, don’t you?)

          • Steve Fair

            Well “brother” (and I use that term loosely) if the race of criminals is being suppressed, how do righties throw around the “black are 13% of the population but 49% of the murderers” canard? HUH?

          • scott autry

            I think I said suppressed by the media – not the whole country… And Mr. Goldberg did a good job of exploring how and when the media uses racial descriptions in “reporting” the “news”…

          • scott autry

            So, in your version of America, white cops must be hunting down and murdering blacks.

            But, given the number of black cops in the country, police shootings, and variety of ethnicities involved in violent crime and things like drug dealing, black cops don’t shoot white suspects?

            Again, it will be difficult to google for examples, because the media has a proven habit of avoiding using racial labels – unless it fits the meta-narrative about race relations The Left wants you and me to believe in…

          • Steve Fair

            You are doing a yeoman’s job making Massa’s case. There is a very determined and virulent rightwing media which, as Chris Wallace pointed out, reports what they CLAIM the so-called leftwing media ignores. So why isn’t Goldberg, Fox, Breitbart, and Frontpagmag reporting on all these black cops shooting white suspects? HUH?

          • scott autry

            I’ve said enough in this thread. I’ll stand on what has been written so far.

            You’ve moved from postings based on your own prejudice to flailing away like a drowning victim.

          • Steve Fair

            And you don’t answer direct questions. Keep performing for these white righties “brother”. They may even let you in the front door one day.

          • scott autry

            Do you think I’m black?

            I’m white. So, feel free to hate me without qualms…

          • Steve Fair

            Your profile looked like a black man. My bad. I have to say I’m relieved.

          • scott autry

            I can’t resist people, sorry:

            Of course you’re relieved! You’re a man who goes around judging everything based on skin color…

            (There is a word for that…)

            The image is of a Korean in 1950. What major racial conclusions do you draw from the color of his skin?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Relieved? By what? The revelation that someone disagreeing with you wasn’t black.? That’s quite possibly the most disturbing thing you’ve posted here to date.

          • Jeff Webb

            >>Your profile looked like a black man. My bad. I have to say I’m relieved.<<

            Ironic, isn't it, that you bitterly accuse others of bigotry, and then post a bigoted comment.

            (Actually, it's not ironic at all; you're a liberal.)

          • Phineas J Whoopee

            It must be exhausting to be so angry.

          • Steve Fair

            Oh yeah. The black man who confronts racist lies and stupidity just has to be “angry”. Actually this is fun for me. I could be like you and just post on boards where everyone agrees with me and reinforces my predisposed feelings. But that is cowardice.

          • Phineas J Whoopee

            You know nothing about me, about where I post. OK, you’re not angry. Good for you.

          • Dan

            Steve you need to quit with the victimology. We know what the problem is & that is family (violence) & societal breakdown in a huge part of the black population.
            Criminals are made I believe. I don’t for a second believe blacks are born criminals at any higher rate than anyone else. It’s the family & culture that are the problems for blacks. And yes crap violent culture was almost certainly caused by the crime against humanity of slavery.
            Your job is to make healthy black kids. Stop with the violence & fatherlessness. If you raise a white baby in a violent, lawless, no father environment the odds are high that he will be a criminal.

          • Steve Fair

            Spare me your lectures racist. 55% of white marriages end in divorce so there are a lot of white children growing up in female headed household.

          • Dan

            Whites are no where near as violent as blacks though. That’s the difference. If a kid has crap for ‘parents’ he is going to struggle. And the other thing is that way more white kids know their father & that father usually works harder than a Tyrone or a LaDontrel does at being a dad. The phrase ‘baby momma’ didn’t come from white people. It came from a guy with maybe the name of TiriRay. Bill Cosby will tell you that. TiriRay has about 14 kids (he’s not sure) from 11 different women. You just don’t see whites doing that much at all compared to black dudes.
            Of course there bs white parents out there too because that’s where white criminals come from too.

          • Steve Fair

            You’re a racist piece of garbage. When white ethnics were the inner city poor they were the preponderance of street criminals and gangstas which is where most of the violence emanates. Tell me, do you believe that an employed middle class black is any more likely to be violent than his white counterpart? If so, why?

          • Dan

            You’re a very sensitive person Steve. The whites you mentioned assimilated. Yet black ghettos go on & on & on. As to your question. No I don’t think a middle class black is more likely to be violent. But the only way for him to be middle class is for him to be free of the toxic black subculture you see in black ghettos. Unless you believe Detroit doesn’t exist. It does exist right? And I’m not talking about normal middle & upper income black people. I’m talking about the ghetto blacks with violent criminal leanings. That’s why there are ghettos. You do acknowledge that black ghettos exist & that they are by far the worst places in the country right?

            You’d say baby momma is actually a white phrase? And believe that 1 in 3 black males will be incarcerated in his life? You won’t answer these questions. Blacks need to stop with selling of drugs. If you listen to rap you’ll hear about their selling of drugs & women. Rap is all about the ghetto. What do you think Cosby is complaining about? Is he a racist against blacks?
            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/04/racial-disparities-criminal-justice_n_4045144.html

          • Steve Fair

            You’re still a racist Dan. Prior to WW2 the majority of the US Black population was in the rural South. Over 60% were in poverty. Today the preponderance of black Americans are working to middle class. The majority of black Americans don’t live in Detroit or Southside Chicago. There are 38 million of us (I can’t believe I’m saying this to an adult). People like you HAVE to make dysfunctional ghettoes the face of black America.

            Why is it that whites are 5 times more likely to have used or sold drugs than blacks but blacks are 5 times as likely to go to jail for drug offenses? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/17/racial-disparity-drug-use_n_3941346.html

            There are all different kinds of hiphop. Goofy kiddy pop like De La Soul, dance music like Howie T and Big Daddy Kane, Jazz rap like Digable Planets. Yet being the racist you are, all you want to discuss is vulgar gangsta rap. Guess who the large market for gangsta rap is? Suburban white Kids.
            I’m well aware of black ghettos. There are also Hispanic ghettoes. The white urban ethnic was greatly assisted in ascending to the middle class from the urban ghettoes with government largesse that was denied to blacks. Like GI Bill Home loans and the Levittowns. Remember those?
            Bill Cosby is a senile old crank who needs to shut up about social issues.
            And baby momma is a “ghetto term” not a black one.
            Keep comin Dan. I’m going to educate your racist ass today.

          • Dan

            When have you not been a racist? What I’m saying is the worst parts of the US are black ghettos. Do you deny that? No one is conspiring against you. Nobody forces blacks to sell drugs & shoot people. Stop with the victimhood. Rap is toxic. That includes loser white rappers. When did I say the majority of blacks live in Detroit etc?

          • Steve Fair

            To you everything “black” is toxic. I would challenge to prove that a black ghetto is any worse than a Hispanic ghetto or redneck trailer park but you would come up with some more racist nonsense. I won’t waste anymore time with you. You’re a sick racist loser and you can kiss my prosperous black ass.

          • Dan

            I like how you tell me what I think. If you’re prosperous why are you sooooo angry? You’re lying to yourself if you don’t think Detroit, E St Louis, Camden, New Orleans, Newark, S Bronx etc etc aren’t the worst places in the US & very racist. Quit protecting the crap culture of black ghettos AND FIX IT, like Cosby is trying to do. You don’t like him because he speaks the truth.
            What in the hell makes you think I want these or any other ghetto, be it white or Mexican, to continue on forever? If you’re prosperous then help mentor a poor black kid who has no father or the father/mother is/are a piece of crap. Be the solution not just blaming & hating whites for everything. It’s getting old.

          • Steve Fair

            What makes you think I’m angry? Because I have little patience for ignorant inbred goobers like you? BTW you dumbass, Camden and the Bronx are predominately Hispanic today. And I bet you never even been to New Orleans or St. Louis. And why is it my job to fix the freakin ghetto. The US Government assisted the white ethnic in leaving the inner city once the manufacturing base declined. Who the hell do you mentor you self-righteous jackass?

          • Dan

            My cousins son. You are very ANGRY. All the accusations & hate towards whites. Blacks still makeup the largest percent of population of any race in Camden & S Bronx.

            http://www.areavibes.com/new+york-ny/south+bronx/demographics/

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camden,_New_Jersey
            How did the govt ‘assist’ white ethnics to leave the black & dangerous places? What program was that? ‘Ok you white ethnics we need you to pack up & leave, the jobs are gone. Whereas we will leave the blacks behind.’
            It’s up to individuals to fix their own problems NOT the idiot govt unless people are like children. Whites left on their own to get away from black crime. That was true in most every big city. It’s called ‘white flight’.
            I used to life in a bad place & you could hear the drivebys at night. A couple were just a house or 2 away. The police never came because blacks won’t tell on other blacks for fear of being murdered. The whole ‘no snitching’ thing as mentioned in rap. I was nearly killed by some Tyrones/gangters who decided to drive their car at 50mph thru a red light.

          • Steve Fair

            Sigh. I’m from the damn Bronx and the South Bronx has been predominately Hispanic for decades. http://clacls.gc.cuny.edu/files/2013/10/Demographic-Economic-and-Social-Transformations-in-the-South-Bronx.pdf

            After WW2 the US Government opened suburbia up to white ethnics with zero interests loans that were denied to blacks who served the nation.

            http://www.law.fsu.edu/journals/landuse/vol141/seit.htm

            Oh and I guess when whites were the inner city poor they were perfect little angels

            http://www.bostonfed.org/economic/nerr/rr1997/spring/glsr97_2.htm

          • Steve Fair

            One more question for you Dan. If this sub-culture you’re obsessed with is distinctively “black” as you suggest, how is there a black middle class in the first place?

          • Dan

            As I’ve been saying repeatedly there are tons of normal blacks who do fine in this world with ZERO toxic culture. I’m just not happy about US inner cities being hell holes.
            Like I also said culture is the variable NOT race. None of what I’m talking about is really about race because there are many successful blacks in the US & blacks from other countries do fairly well for themselves.
            I’m also freely admitting that these broken shoot em up inner cities stem from the huge crime of slavery. And we have many broken whites too trying to look like criminals. Pants hanging down looking like idiots. Do you really think Cosby DOESN’T want ghetto blacks to be more successful? HE DOES. As do I. If I was really a racist I wouldn’t want that & be saying it’s not possible wouldn’t I? Do you really think I dislike black women? They like me & I like them usually. It doesn’t help me or anyone to have inner city blacks fail. That’s all I’m talking about NOT that blacks are inferior to whites. NEVER have I said that because it’s not true.

          • Steve Fair

            A “huge part of the population”??? That is racist garbage. What percentage of the black community (38 million strong) do you perceive as being criminal?

          • Dan

            1 in every 15 black men are locked up. 1 in every 106 white men are locked up. So that means blacks are more than 7 times as criminal as whites.

            ‘According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, one in three black men can expect to go to prison in their lifetime.’
            Would you call 33% a huge percent? I would. Your families are so broken & violence & neglect of children in the home so common that we are left with this huge number. If it makes you feel better I’d say that slavery created this culture. And I’m never saying it’s hopeless, it isn’t. The Obamas & Condi Rice etc are good examples that show blacks aren’t all hood rats. There are lots of good black people.
            I’ve been around a lot of black females that like me & I liked them. So what’s the big deal. All men are created equal. Whites ARE NOT better than blacks because we don’t commit as much crime. It all comes down to culture. Non-American blacks are good people usually. I can see they don’t have this bad culture working against them.

            This link is a liberal one too. So it’s full of liberal spin.
            http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/news/2012/03/13/11351/the-top-10-most-startling-facts-about-people-of-color-and-criminal-justice-in-the-united-states/

          • Steve Fair

            The preponderance of black males incarcerated are there for non-violent drug crimes even though whites are 5 times as likely to have used or dealt drugs. Take your culture lectures and stick ‘em. This is all about race and discrimination in policing and sentencing. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/17/racial-disparity-drug-use_n_3941346.html

          • Dan

            So whites somehow make black guys sell drugs & shoot people? What do you think a ghetto is? It’s this.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Steve, one of these days I hope you’ll find a way to judge a person by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.

          • Steve Fair

            Oh please stop this bullhist. Have you read the posts on this page? They are equating “black” with “crime”. And that, my friend, is pure racism.

          • William Stenberg

            I guess you’d know, ‘Steve’, since you kept your slave name.

          • soundnfury

            Seven dead this past weekend in Chi-town, twenty-nine wounded. Just biz as usual in the hood, right “bro”? Is this the black community’s version of street sweeping? Perhaps you can enlighten us on your definition of a real epidemic. We’re all waiting with baited breath.

          • Dan

            Yes these gangstas & drug dealers are black. Drugs & prostitution are the primary ‘industries’ in the hood. You can’t blame whitie for that.

        • scott autry

          “are as likely to reflexively view their mirror reflections as threats”

          I think Chris Rock and even Jesse Jackson have said so…

          But, yet again, you expose your own prejudice — (pre-justice)…

          “He’s my black brother so he can’t be a threat…but that white guy cop – surely a member of the KKK who “assassinated” a poor innocent black man…”

          • Steve Fair

            So you fear your own people? You’re telling me that you believe black men to be a threat in sight?

        • scott autry

          “reflexively view their mirror reflections as threats”

          So, in this piece of your meta-narrative – these white cops are scared of black males – or view them as a threat – and that’s why they shot them —

          — not because cops are responding to 911 calls complete with descriptions and other things – and cops happen to get paid to respond to bad events or deal with bad people – on a weekly if not daily basis – and that is the context in which police shootings generally take place…

      • scott autry

        You are doing what the media loves to do: Forming mammoth conclusions about an event based on your racist feelings then running around grabbing whatever bit or piece you can find – far from the original event – to fit the meta-narrative you want everyone else to believe.

        Everything you are posting has to do with how you judge individuals based on race… We have a word for that…It also begins with r…

    • Phineas J Whoopee

      The database is flawed, and the stat must be viewed in the context of other stats. Of course, Blacks represent a greater percentage of violent crime offenders than their representation in the general pop. would indicate.

    • Dan

      But if blacks are way more criminal then it would make sense that the number of blacks being shot by police is very high too.

      • El_Tigre_Loco

        I understand that when the rail line was built between Ferguson and a downtown mall, the shoplifting rate at the mall skyrocketed.
        Blacks in particular and the poor in general are conditioned by liberal propaganda to think they have a right to what others have.

    • soundnfury

      Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
      When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
      Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.
      The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.
      Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
      Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.
      Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
      Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.
      http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.html

      • Steve Fair

        White supremacist website. Yawn.

        • soundnfury

          This is a well-documented study using BJS data. Here’s another stat for you. Last year, 562 LEOs were murdered in the line of duty, either by gunshot, stabbing or stangulation. On average, 1.5 are killed every 30 days. http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/causes.html Care to speculate what percentage are killed by black males who, by the way, comprise just 6% of the population?

          • Steve Fair

            LMAO!!!!! This “link” you produce in no way corroborates your assertions. Sell it at the crossburning Jethro.

          • soundnfury

            And yet you have no problem getting your facts from such characters as Malik Shabazz and Al Sharpton. Clearly you don’t see the irony of being represented by the black version of the Klan, do you?

          • Steve Fair

            Does it hurt to be such an ignorant racist? Where did I even mention Shabazz or Sharpton? You guys are obsessed with them. Not me. Sharpton is a media figure. Shabazz is a fringe wackjob. Jesse Jackson is a has been who hasn’t been heard from in years. Yet on white rightwing pages they are always the topics of discussion because the mere mention of their names incites hate and revulsion.

          • soundnfury

            Does it hurt to be such an ignorant race-hustler? You are no different than Sharpton & Shabazz, so it’s not surprising that you are all related. And yes, Jesse’s been there as well, whipping up the mob into a frenzy. You people are no different than the Klan 100 years ago. You don’t want justice, because justice entails getting all the facts. You demonstrated with the Trayvon case that the facts be damned. You’re going to get your pound of flesh. You people only want to bring the cop out so you can string him up. Pathetic. Grow up & act like adults. You act like a bunch of whiney children.

  • scott autry

    This is how “analysis” and predicting the future is an evil in the media.

    They did not report facts in this case. They had little they could confirm.

    But, because they saw an opportunity to advance the meta-narrative on the actual state of race in American society they are determined to implant in our minds, they ran with the story – using a method that suits their purpose:

    Instead of facts at hand – they predicted what was likely to happen next – which they helped make sure would happen – then concentrated on “reporting” that using “analysis” about what it all means in “the bigger picture”.

    I freaking despise the media…

    Then, when bits of credible facts come out that damage the meta-narrative, they go on the attack and amp up the smoke screens…

    This is a broken institution that does significant harm to the society…

    They are advocates – pure and simple. When I place that beside what they claim is the noble nature of the media, I want to punch them in the face…

    • Phineas J Whoopee

      Well said. The worst thing that ever happened to the media was TV, and the knowledge that news = ratings=$.

    • El_Tigre_Loco

      Exactly why I refuse to give any funds to the MSM.

  • David Nelson

    Good one, Bernie. The white liberals are motivated by guilt, which is continually given a recharge by the self-serving hypocrisy of their motives. And the black outrage has nothing to do with the kid who was killed. He simply serves as a vehicle for which to shake their fists at the victimization they are trapped in and don’t really want to escape. That the kid was high on drugs, and notoriously robbed a store barehanded in broad daylight underscores the point that victims so much love the intoxicating feeling of being a victim, that they provoke abuse at almost any cost — in this case, at the cost of their lives. Obviously, if he had been playing baseball in the park, or reading a book, none of this would have happened. The same, not surprisingly, holds true for Trevor Martin. When a kid is volunteering at the food shelf, or studying in the library, and a cop walks in and shoots him, THEN we have a problem with the police force. My hats go off to them. I wouldn’t be a cop in a mostly black town seething with this kind of hatred for the world.

  • Phineas J Whoopee

    The sad reality is that the majority of Blacks will be satisfied only with a murder conviction. They do not respect a process that most of them do not understand and most do not trust. It doesn’t matter what any investigation uncovers.

    • Steve Fair

      You mean like whites and OJ?

      • Phineas J Whoopee

        That is an excellent example. While most whites feel OJ got away with murder, you have to respect the process. He was tried and acquitted.

      • scott autry

        Can you show me the riots after the OJ verdict to bolster your point?

        • Phineas J Whoopee

          Excellent point.

        • Steve Fair

          Where were the riots after the Zimmerman verdict? Sean Bell? Tyisha Miller? And dozens others? The Rodney King verdict sparked rage because they had the police carnage on VIDEOTAPE and still let the criminals in blue walk.

      • scott autry

        And I did take flack from people in grad school for saying OJ was going to get off. All they heard was me saying, “He’s innocent.”

        When what I said was that his ability to hire experts and lawyers in a looooonnnggg trial would be enough to confuse the jury as to whether there was a reasonable or unreasonable doubt about his guilt… Basically I said he was going to get off because he had the money to do it – whether he was guilty or not.

        (Oh, I also said the fact the guy who discovered the most credible evidence against him would go a long way to ensuring acquittal or at least a hung jury….)

        • El_Tigre_Loco

          A majority black jury didn’t hurt, either.

          • scott autry

            I won’t go there, because I don’t think it really mattered. Money was the key factor. Black people in predominantly black areas get convicted all the time by mostly black juries of their peers – same as anywhere…even in the 1990s…

      • scott autry

        WIth OJ – I also said that all the blood blood blood blood blood evidence talk the people convinced only a guilty verdict was going to come down were overlooking the point that there was a minuscule amount of it. The way they talked, you’d think there was a river instead of tiny droplets I couldn’t even recognize in the pictures…

        With high caliber lawyers and the ability to hire your own top forensics experts – if you aren’t fighting against eye-witnesses, a murder weapon with your finger prints on it, or evidence like that, you stand a good chance of getting off…

        • Phineas J Whoopee

          Anybody who can explain to me how a bloody footprint of a rare Italian loafer that OJ owns, in OJ’s size, appears at the scene in a scenario where he is NOT the killer will convince me that MAYBE he did not commit those murders. The photo of OJ wearing the loafers was not admitted in the criminal trial.

          • scott autry

            I’m not claiming guilt or innocence. I’m saying I said from Day 1 he was going to get off – and in retrospect, I believe he would have even if the shoe evidence had been part of the criminal trial. He had the money to hire who he needed to get an acquittal or hung jury, because juries are only human…

  • scott autry

    Link at end of message.

    “(Saint Louis Dispatch) The officer who shot Ferguson teen Michael Brown stopped Brown and another teen because they were walking in the street, not because of a robbery a few minutes earlier, Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson said Friday afternoon.

    Jackson said the officer was aware cigars had been taken in the robbery of a store nearby, but did not know when he encountered Brown and Dorian Johnson that they might be suspects. He stopped them because they were walking in the street, Jackson said.”

    BS. 911 gets a call from the store about the robbery. A call goes over the air to all the cops. A patrol unit spots someone in the area of the crime and moves to investigate. A description of the suspect is given. It matches and the cop moves to investigate more.

    I won’t go into what some caller into a radio station said about what the wife of the cop told her… I’ll show more restraint than the bleeping media…

    From the newspaper article linked at the link below: “[The cop] who suffered facial injuries into the attack, has been…”

    A rather large suspect in a robbery gets into a physical altercation with a responding officer – who apparently was the first one the scene and alone – unlike the suspect. The suspect is shot and killed. And because of the color of the skins of the two involved – a sizable portion of American society just knows the cop was a racist who gunned down an innocent young man in cold blood…

    Yes, there is a heck of a lot of racism being put on display regarding this incident.

  • redrowan2000

    15 people shot in 8 hours in NYC…

    7 Killed, 29 Wounded In Chicago…

    Stories on Drudge. Nothing on tv mentioned about this. Oh and by the way out of the 15 in NYC shot 2 died.
    Keep electing liberal dems and you won’t have to worry about white cops killing a black person, they will take care of themselves. The race baiters see nothing wrong with the above because it does nothing to further their cause or line their pockets. Jesse Jackson was booed for passing the plate and I hope the IRS is watching the contributions going to the Brown family, especially the cash ones that Al Sharpton promoted.
    T shirts, mugs, buttons , looting , and
    burning out whitey are the way to go.
    When the leaders like Jackson and Sharpton are seen as the cooler heads prevailing team, America has a problem.

    • Steve Fair

      Might be because Drudge is a racist piece of garbage. Ya think?

      • Ole Buck

        It is racist to report the truth? Is that what you are saying ?

      • redrowan2000

        Your mentality is right up there with the looters and the calls for kill the cops. You sir are the ignorant apparatchik of the left. Emphasis on rat. News and facts are reported and all you can do is cry racist. Want some cheese with that whine?

      • Joel Wischkaemper

        I think their view is to narrow.

    • El_Tigre_Loco

      Not only burning out whitey. I have a good friend who is black. His mother had a going restaurant that was destroyed by the Watts riots. Then black people wonder why they have no stores in their ‘hoods.

  • barry ocarter ll

    I wish you would do an article on the similarities of this case and the Trayvon Martin case. The same lawyers swoop in and get the domestic terrorist reverends to whoop up racial animosity and get a settlement before all the evidence comes out. Blackmail, excuse the pun, of which the reverends are pros at exploiting. I wouldn’t be surprised if the revs get a cut of the piece of the pie Ferguson will pay this family.

  • barry ocarter ll

    When the black FBI agent shot the associate of the Boston Bomber in the suspect’s house because he felt threatened not one word. The agent had previously worked as a cop in Oakland and had multiple complaints against him for excessive force and actually medically retired in the middle of an investigation and was collecting 53K tax free from Oakland. Why would the FBI hire someone with his record and what if this white officer had his record and why is the FBI held in such high esteem?.

  • ninthsquad

    Ain’t it the truth Bernie!

  • Mark W.

    The comment regarding Ferguson, Mo., that I would like to have heard from Mr. Obama would have been something like this: “The lives of two men and their families have been forever changed. State and federal investigations are underway. I would ask everyone to withhold judgment until the investigations are complete and facts are made public. We are a nation of laws, from which justice will prevail.” I’m sorry that he did not say that.

    • Steve Fair

      Well I’m very sorry you’re disappointed in the President’s response which I thought was pretty tepid. I do know this. After George Zimmerman was acquitted the black community showed much restraint and resignation. Won’t be so this time if this thug in blue is acquitted.

      • Smythe

        You belie your name. You are not being fair when you prejudge. How about waiting until the facts are known? Or do you know the policeman and were you there and saw what happened? If not, then you are prejudiced in your opinion. Have some restraint and let the facts come out before you get out the rope and start looking for a tree.

      • Ksp48

        After George Zimmerman was acquitted the black community showed much restraint and resignation.

        Restraint? Resignation? George Zimmerman was acquitted because the evidence did not show any guilt. It wasn’t even close. Guess what, sometime unarmed people attack others and get the gun and kill them. Sometimes they get shot. While we do not yet know what happened here, the facts in the Trayvon Martin case were very clear.

        • Steve Fair

          GTFOOH. Zimmerman was not a law enforcement authority. He was a wannabe cop. He was told by 911 dispatch to stop following Trayvon Martin who was committing no crime and merely walking home. Zimmerman continued to stalk TM, got out of his truck with a loaded weapon and initiated a confrontation which resulted in the death of an innocent 17 year old kid.

          • nickshaw

            To use your own terminology, bullshit.

          • Ole Buck

            Innocent you say?

  • Steve Fair

    The racist hurls this stat like Kryptonite to rationalize his murderous actions. “although African-Americans make up 13 percent of the population, they represent 49 percent of the nation’s homicide victims – and 93 percent of those black victims were killed by other black people.” Okay. But that does not translate into 49 percent of black Americans being murderers or murder victims. There are 38 million black people in this country and inner city violence is mainly intramural carnage amongst a subset of thugs. BTW 86% of white homicide victims are murdered by other whites yet we never hear the term “white on white crime”. Funny how that works.

    • mplo

      “yet we never hear the term “white on white crime”. Funny how that works.”

      That’s not true, Steve Fair. It’s been a known fact for a long time that most violent crime (i. e. murder, rape, simple assault), are intrarracial (meaning that the perpetrator(s) and victim(s) are of the same race). Inotherwords, most of the violent crime is black vs. black, white vs. white, Asian vs. Asian, and latino vs. latino.

      • Niripsa K.

        It’s a quantifiable statistic. Do you have a source for them? If so, please share it.

      • Steve Fair

        Yes, most crime is opportunistic and between people of the same race. But show me ANYHWERE in the media where the term “white on white crime” is used. To go one step further, show me where anyone justifies the murder of a white person by saying “where’s the outrage when whites kill each other”.

        • Walter Peck

          I don’t know where the term “black-on-black” crime originated. It may have even been in the black community. Regardless, the reason people use that phrase is evident in the stats you quoted above.

          You can lead an ass to water, but he’ll probably just accuse the water of being racist.

          • Steve Fair

            You don’t make any sense Walter. Most crime is intraracial. So why do we only hear about “black on black crime”? The criminals in the black community are distinct minority subset. So why do they represent the entire community? Care to answer those questions or just grunt again?

          • Walter Peck

            “So why do they represent the entire community?”

            No one is saying that.

            You hear a lot about “black-on-black” crime because it occurs at an extremely disproportionate rate. Duh!

          • Steve Fair

            “Extremely disproportionate rate”, There he goes with the statistical hyperbole again. 93% vs 84% does not constitute an extreme disproportion.

          • Walter Peck

            No, but 13 to 49 is.

          • Steve Fair

            38 million black Americans to 5000 homicides between blacks. And if you look past race (I know that’s hard for you) you’ll see that most violent criminals are poor, young, uneducated, unemployed urban males. Let me ask you something straight up. Do you believe an employed middle class black is any more likely to be violent than his white counterpart? If so, why?

          • Walter Peck

            No. People who are involved in violent criminal activity tend have a myriad of other personal problems that also stand in the way of their financial success. There are of course exceptions. The yuppie sociopath is a cliche these days, but even those people have the deterrent of having more to lose.

          • El_Tigre_Loco

            Because he is bombarded by propaganda telling him that he is getting a raw deal. That mindset affects how a person relates to police when stopped.

          • Steve Fair

            And you just know that blacks are reflexively hostile when dealing with police huh? The wonders of the omnipotent white guy. LMAO!!!!!

    • Ksp48

      So its racist (1) to use the facts and (2) to discuss any other conclusion but overt racism? The rest of your post is gibberish. Most of us took percentages in grade school and are very clear as to what Bernie said.

      • Steve Fair

        Actually it’s not. 13% of the population does NOT commit 49% of the murders. That’s called statistical hyperbole. There are 38 million black Americans. The black on black murders last year were maybe 5000. So it would obvious to anyone with operating gray matter that this is a subset of criminals committing these crimes and not “black males” in general. However that is not the picture the racist wants to paint.

    • scott autry

      Can you show me where he said 49% of all black people are murders?

      No. And the reason why shows where your thinking ran off the tracks.

      • Steve Fair

        No he didn’t say that but the implication is that a large majority of black Americans are criminals which is a racist lie. To take it a step further the notion that 13% of the population is committing 49% of the homicides is a lie as well. The criminals in the black community are a distinct minority of said community.

        • El_Tigre_Loco

          Well I guess the FBI Uniform Crime Reports are racist literature, then.

    • El_Tigre_Loco

      Steve Unfair, you don’t hear about white on white crime because no big deal is made of it. But get a black killed by another race and the world explodes. I wish liberals cared as much for black babies who are the majority victims of abortion.

  • Mark W.

    Just listened to Obama’s news conference. He spoke about “justice” and the loss of the young man’s life. However, he never said that the people of Ferguson (and the rest of the country) should wait until the investigation is complete before making judgment. He spoke of the loss of life among young black men. He spoke of “justice,” which, apparently means convicting the policeman… about whom he made no comment.

    • Steve Fair

      Well duh. The kid was unarmed and had his hands raised yet was shot to death. Please explain to me how a white man who just killed his family and had a weapon in his possession can be talked into custody, yet it seems every other year an unarmed innocent black man is gunned down by cops?

      • nickshaw

        You really aught to keep up regarding the actions of that poor victim of police over reaction, Stevie.

        • Steve Fair

          Like what Nickie? He had a bag of skittles and an Ice tea?

          • nickshaw

            Gee, how did I know you were a supporter of Saint Skittles, I wonder.

          • ninthsquad

            I am guessing you were there and saw the whole thing. I am also sure each witness is telling the entire truth. I know I wasn’t there and can’t say what the facts were. There are two sides to every story. You and the media just don’t want to wait for it. Did the cop overreact? Did the kid attack first thinking he would be arrested for the theft at the store? Did he try to take the cops gun with the intent to kill him? Many questions to be answered BEFORE final judgment is made. Even if the truth comes out it will be spun by those with an agenda or a bias against one side or the other.

      • scott autry

        Where did you get that his hands were raised?

        The term “unarmed suspect” used to have me jump to a kneejerk conclusion just like you – until someone pointed out to me that any time a cop is on the scene, there is a gun that can be used, by him or someone who subdues him. It happens.

        I’d like to see what you would do if you found yourself in a struggle with someone who has the power or skill to knock you silly and a gun was right there to be had. I’m sure you would just assume he was going to give you a beating and run away. That in the middle of such a battle, you wouldn’t pull the trigger…

        If you have a credible witness that goes far to prove the boy was trying to surrender, I’ll do a 180.

        Otherwise, you are jumping to conclusions based on the color of people’s skins.

        We have a word for that…

    • Mark W.

      Now, in response to a reporter’s question, he says he doesn’t want rush to justice… but he had to be prodded to make the statement.

  • Martin Monti

    Great article,Bernie. They now have audio of witnesses saying “Why is he still charging the cop” I look forward to the incarceration of any witness who has lied about what really happened

    • scott autry

      Link please…

  • Shane

    There is no excuse for the rioting and looting. Wait until the case has been studied by the DA and a conclusion reached. I could understand the anger in the Rodney King case, because a jury gave a not guilty verdict, but there has not even been a trial yet. This is just an excuse for young blacks to riot and loot. It is shameful behavior, and it would not have happened had the perp been white.

  • Daniel

    So true Bernie. Maybe O’Reilly could get Sharpton or Jackson on sometime to ask them why that is. As for Ferguson, we are learning a lot about that place. Most importantly, if you rob a liquor store and throttle the tiny clerk and then go beat up a cop while he is sitting inside his black and white and try to steal his gun, you can expect to have him empty his gun into you. We also learned they are still using 6 shooters in Ferguson. Think the folks in Ferguson want Justice or do you think that platoon of attorneys and the civil rights industry folks means they are seeing dollar signs?

    • Josh

      I’m so-so on O’Reilly, mostly watching him if Miller or Goldberg is on, or maybe if I can flip it around and catch a good argument. Though I think Bill needs to stay as far away from Sharpton as possible. He should not even acknowledge the dude’s existence, like he pulls with Olbermann.

      The minimum amount of The Factor I’ve watched, I caught an interview between O’Reilly and Sharpton where they were speaking about that whole restaurant incident and what Bill said on his radio show that had people labeling him a racist. Sharpton stuck up for O’Reilly, directly to his face, and it seemed like everything was good. Then, after Sharpton gets his own show, he immediately goes into throwing O’Reilly under the bus as a racist for the same incident Sharpton had previously defended Bill on.

      Some people just have character so incredibly low that it’s better to outright move aside rather than pushing through them.

      • brad allen

        Right on, Josh.

      • George Williams

        Ignoring Sharpton is like ignoring an arsonist near a pool of gasoline.

        • Josh

          I don’t personally find the guy to be that big of a threat. But even assuming the analogy is warranted, it should have no bearing on O’Reilly in the context I’m addressing. A proven two-faced asshat coming on a news opinion show to talk out of whichever side of his face earns him the most points is hardly worth the time. Exposing his BS is something that can be done without inviting his presence; it’s well documented.

    • Shane

      Why should we have to suffer watching that big-mouth race-hustler Sharpton. It is a disgrace that MSNBC gives him a forum for his anti-white rants.

  • loupgarous

    For weeks after the intensive press coverage of the Trayvon Martin shooting and the Federal government’s sending a Justice Department team of “Community support specialists” to make sure the race card was well and truly played, racist violence ensued by perpetrators who justified it by saying “This is forTrayvon!” Was a single one of those incidents investigated by the Federal government?

    It’s impossible to escape the conclusion that the White House and the Office of the Attorney General of the United States are occupied by dedicated racists.

    • paulbopko

      you betcha..

  • Mark W.

    In the best of scenarios, the policeman’s law enforcement career is over. Even if exonerated, he will find employment hard to find for some time to come, due to the public nature of this event. Regardless, we still have yet to definitively find out what really took place.

    • loupgarous

      That’s because, like George Zimmerman, this man was tried in the press long before he’ll ever have his day in court. One thing I can say that I wish we had from the British system is a prohibition of reporting on crimes until they have resulted in a clear verdict by a judge and jury. Our press has congratulated itself on its probity long after it became clear that nothing is ever reported on objectively at the national level by our press.

  • nickshaw

    One is tempted to say, “Hey, if you are going to be so blase regarding black on black murder (many times involving mere toddlers!), why in hell should we give a crap about the odd demise of a black man at the hand of a white guy?”
    But then, of course, one is forever branded a racist for saying it.
    Hell, you’re branded a racist anyway if you don’t agree the white guy did it because HE’S a racist.
    Note the HuffPo “writer” taking photos of the vehicles (the plates) of supporters of the cop in Ferguson and tweeting them!
    Just can’t win anymore, even with the truth in these enlightened days.

    • loupgarous

      It’s almost a defense of journalism in general to observe that the writer who was tweeting license plates of people engaged in social protest he didn’t care for worked for the Huffington Post, which has from its outset never been easily confused with a firm engaged in objective journalism. One has to squint to the left, hard, to say that.

    • pcolabucfan

      Nickshaw do you have a link for that Huffpo assertion please I will shine a bright light on those scum over at Huffpo

    • Steve Fair

      Well if the white guy is a civil servant, law enforcement officer who goes around exceuting innocent citizens based on their skin color and very likely will get away with it, I’d say there is plenty room for outrage.

      • nickshaw

        Of course, you know this was an execution simply by who the participants are, right?
        Thanks for sharing.

        • Steve Fair

          Kid has no weapon. Hands in the air. Shot multiple times by cop. What do you call it?

          • nickshaw

            Justified shooting?

      • scott autry

        Jumped the shark…

  • TransplantedTexan

    wHAT

  • Haaseline

    Its when you and your culture become victors instead of victims …. when you want to be part of society not a separate interest group that fights for rights while dividing America…. oh by the way… I don’t care what your color , interest , or cause is…. its about being a good communicator, team player and giving solutions with accountability that answers the root cause of the problem vs the color,economic status or gender… the only way to stop this insanity is to kill the political system , and thats not going to happen.. Bernie , you and Bill are guilty of thinking there is still a fix for our financial state , there isn’t. If the true state of america was being told from the media and gov…Ferguson would be pimple on the ass of progress… Rome is not burning , its burnt… and we aren’t talking Jim Rome.

    • loupgarous

      You’re almost entirely full of crap. Nothing about the finances or politics of America couldn’t be repaired simply by requiring full accountability from bankers and politicians. Other countries require it of THEIR bankers and politicians, and in Britain and France, bankers and politicians go to jail for the sort of screwups that led to the meltdown of the world politicians that resulted from politically-mandated bad loans being packaged into toxic derivatives and misrepresented as solid investments.

      Here, the press packaged a sharp young man who took millions from Wall Street he promised he’d never take from lobbyists (and a fundamental activity of Wall Street merchant banks like the ones who bankrolled the Obama campaign is, precisely, lobbying Congress) as just the sort of fellow who could lead us out of what they told us was a uniquely Republican mess (when the political mandate for the bad loans was exclusively from the Democratic Party – namely, one Jamie Gorelick of the Clinton Administration and her staff of regulators, and before that, the “Community Reinvestment Act” which made license renewals for banks contingent on what would predictably be bad loans).

      The press also covered up Obama’s own record for taking corporate money for his support for a Federal law which took class-action law suits away from local and state courts, bottle-necking them into the already overcrowded Federal court system. They assured us that Obama’s having spent twelve years in a church whose pastor routinely bellowed racist invective wasn’t the deal-breaker that such a thing would inevitably for a white candidate for the Presidency.

      And the press has protected Barack Obama from having to publicly account for each and every one of his missteps and misdeeds, so that we have the very least accountable President we’ve had for a long, long time in this country. We have had abuse of our national intelligence agencies for political purposes, abuse of the IRS for political purposes, abuse of the banking regulatory system to punish those legal businessmen whose line of business the Administration just doesn’t care for… and no accountability about any of it.

      Instead, for the first time in many decades, the national press has been complicit in keeping accountability from happening. And in Ferguson, race riots are occurring partly because the people responsible for race riots happening with impunity know they can depend on the press to protect them and not to demand that justice be done – not just for the young man who may or may not have been shot justifiably, but for the members of the community whose homes and businesses were destroyed because no one in government has had the courage to face down a race riot with appropriate application of military force in decades and no one in the press has had the courage to denounce it as racist violence for at least as long.

      • Walt disney

        A lot of things you referenced there are the honest to God’s truth and the problems go way back. I think blame does lie with one party more than the other but not enough to quibble about – there’s plenty of blame for both parties. It is also more than frustrating because so much of this parallels the S&L crisis of the 80s, which was a rehearsal for all this. And it is scarier still because despite all the sabre-rattling and pronouncements by morons like Barney, no real changes were made to prevent the inevitable recurrence.

        The root of it all is basically buying votes with milk from guvmint teat. 200 years ago at the beginning of this country the French said we could never last because the electorate would vote themselves too many benefits. Well, here we are. To the extent it took us over 200 years to get there is a testament to the confluence and genius of the founding fathers, and the work ethic of the extraordinary people that braved the journey and perils of creating this nation.

      • Haaseline

        nice first remark…always awesome to hear such class.. with that being said good luck with all this bantering.. we see how its working for you and the us… keeping propping up the inevitable ..as far as the race and current admin..we are singing from the same hymnal…you just think it fixable there we will agree to disagree… without the your opening line!! Good day!

  • ScranunSlim

    The Gentle Giant was about to be immaculated as another harmless “Kid Skittles” — until the video surfaced of an arrogant THUG.

  • georgia47

    Bernie,you are so correct. Most of all this president and attorney general are absolutely wrong for jumping in this, This country elected him to do a job,so how the hell can he continue to stir the racial pot? Sharpton like wise is is racial pimp
    who continues to thrive being out front and center to build a confrontation like a prostitute seeking a dollar! Obama and Holder are not any better. They are an embarrassment to this country and the office they represent.

  • Walt disney

    I find it surprising that so many people are willing to crawl out on a limb and wrap their arms around this tar baby because, just like with Trayvon, there will probably more things to come out – no matter how much his parents want to villify anybody having any negative information about their angel. With Trayvon, we learned of a ‘rap sheet’ he had that turned out to be the whole reason he was with his father in Florida.

    And like Trayvon, the behavior we saw on the video surely was not the first time he had behaved that way. I will hazard a guess that some of the things yet unrevealed about Brown may not come out until teachers and administrators get back to school and have access to online records. OTOH, I could as easily imagine people in his district wanting to sanitize his image and burying such information. It will be curious to see what the inevitable court trial might free from the school district.

    It is almost a lead pipe cinch Brown’s autopsy report will reveal the presence of drugs. I will bet the only question is whether it is more than weed. Further, are his parents going to wail and cry about further character assassination when such revelations are made. I find myself wondering if their vehement accusations might have even been made to preclude revelations – be they from coroners, associates, schools, or heaven forbid, police again! The behavior in that video certainly doesn’t square very well with ‘timid,’ the image his parents want to create.

    The encounter with the cop is of course the most baffling and despite there being rumors that some of the encounter is recorded, we will probably be left to speculate. What is not a mystery to me is how relevant and germane the store video is. We all remember the unfortunate security guard who unknowingly encountered the marathon bomber brothers. He had no idea what the background was of the two brothers that killed him but nobody doubts that their knowledge is what got him killed. Can anybody seriously argue that if Brown had not more than 10 minutes earlier robbed a store he would not be reacting differently to the presence of an officer confronting him than on a night he had not been committing crimes? Whether he knew the officer was aware of the crime or not or in pursuit of him or not, he clearly was ‘amped’ and hostile. He had just robbed a store and was refusing to walk on the sidewalk. Brown was obviously spoiling for a confrontation.

    In my city, the police are taught that the danger zone when dealing with perpetrators is 25 feet. Despite the press repeating the mantra of ‘unarmed teen’ ad nauseum, it appears that was almost not true. It seems to be emerging that there was some sort of struggle with the officer. Whether or not we can say it was directly for the gun or not, an officer can only assume that if a perp is trying to subdue them, possession of the gun must be the ultimate goal because that is the only way to maintain ascendency. Given that, what law officer wants to be subdued, on the ground, with a felon holding a pistol on them? That surely must be about the most nightmarish scenario for an officer.

    No. The fat lady will certainly have more stanzas for us and I’m betting anybody who walked up and embraced this tarbaby will wish they had never touched it. They should have learned that several chapters in the hymnal back.

    • scott autry

      I stopped reading at “tar baby”….as should anybody…

      • Walt disney

        I care deeply.

      • Patrick Murphy

        You DO know the tar baby tale is analogous to a situation where the more one tries to fix it, the worse the situation gets.

        In Ferguson, this seems entirely appropriate.

        • scott autry

          Not when the theme is about media race baiting and how well it plays on the Left and within the black community.

          You can’t hide from the connotation the word is most known for. At best it defeats disney’s intentions. At worst it simply stokes the racial animosity flames.

          The word niggardly has no racial or ethnic connotations whatsoever – but anyone throwing it into a discussion – especially one about race and prejudice – would know it is like tossing a grenade into it.

          And if the person’s purpose was to increase understanding – instead of just pissing people off further – they’d fail big time…

    • pcolabucfan

      Was a good read till you ruined it “tar baby” come on man

      • Walt disney

        You either don’t know what a tar baby is or are over-analyzing the term. It is the perfect analogy. Undoubtedly it has something to do with this climate of ‘political correctness.’ There is no intended connection between tar babies, persons in this story, or tea from china – the only similarity they bear might be color and you’re the one stuck on it. You’re looking for something that isn’t there.

        I’m predicting Brown will be yet another tar baby – especially for Sharpton – just like Tawana Brawley (sp?) was because it was so apparent it was a complete fiasco and Sharpton lost a libel suit over that. You can be assured he has learned to choose his words more carefully as to avoid suits but he knows that like it was for Tawana and OJ, his audience will forever disregard facts and common sense and never pull him off the pedestal they have him on. He appeared to be somewhat rehabilitated but if he hasn’t already been pulled off of Fox I bet this will do it.

        • scott autry

          But you are also aware of the other context and connotation the term was used – and throwing it into a discussion of race riots, vigilante “justice”, and media hyping the racial divide – will play in their favor, no?

  • Mark W.

    “I Have a Dream” … Mission: Impossible, or Mission: Not Accomplished?
    .
    As I grow older and older, the civil rights movement of the 1960’s seems so long ago. I remember some people saying “you can’t legislate morality,” arguing against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voters Rights Act of 1965. Lots of talk about poverty, then, too. Lots of talk that created Affirmative Action and other programs. There was hope that racial differences would be a thing of the past as we saw more black and Hispanic actors in the movies and on TV. We saw more black public figures, and high ranking military officers including General Colin Powell, who later Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and then was named Secretary of State. He was succeeded by Condoleezza Rice. Under George W. Bush we saw the most diverse Cabinet in history. Then, the country elected the First Black President. Surely, at that point, we as a country should have been able to say, “Mission Accomplished.”
    .
    But, sadly, we cannot. What occurred, instead of “keep your eyes on the prize,” was the creation of a whole new industry: “Keep the pot boiling,” with Captains of Industry Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, et al. Spurred on by “white guilt” promoted by the Democrat Party who benefitted from the perpetual conflict, the “mission” of equality was carefully sabotaged as is witnessed today against any person of color who declares himself conservative.
    .
    With a segment of our national community continually being taught that they are victims in need of assistance, we will remain a divided nation.
    .
    It’s been 47 years since the Detroit Riots; 22 since Los Angeles. Now Ferguson, Mo., is trying to emulate them. This is progress?
    .
    Fifty years after the Civil Rights Act: a baby born that day has greying hair and is looking forward to retirement. That baby now has grandchildren… and what are they learning? What will America look like when those babies reach their 50th birthday? Is there any hope of achieving equality without resorting to charges of racism? Or if that day comes, will there then be discrimination based on color of eyes, hair, or whether a person is right or left handed? Will America become a brave new world… or the twilight zone?
    .
    Sadly, perhaps Dr. King’s Dream … will always be a dream.

    • Steve Fair

      You’re nuts. My white liberal friends thought that the election of the first black President (who got 42% of the white vote) would usher in a new era of racial harmony and conciliation. Those of us who live in this skin knew that the exact opposite would happen. The racist element is this country would erupt in rage and resentment and we now see more and more of these violent reprisals against unarmed black men by law enforcement. Along with endless and baseless rants of “corruption” and “incompetence” against the black President.

      • Dr. Freud

        Steve Fair: You have a severe persecution complex. It’s you who could benefit from professional psychiatric help. Sorry you are so angry and look for racism behind every comment, in every disagreement, in every movie, in every bag of popcorn, in every day that ends with a “y.”

  • scott autry

    Another Note: When I was going through a police academy, we were trained on techniques for what to do if a suspect grabs at your firearm – either holstered or drawn. When we got to the drawn part, and the trainer started to show the moves you could use to counter someone grabbing the gun with both hands…

    I asked, “Why don’t you just shoot him? – I mean, hasn’t the guy demonstrated his intentions by grabbing the gun in the first place? Maybe he’s just temporarily lost his senses, but how am I to know that? ”

    The two trainers looked at each other – then the one I asked said, “I’m instructed to tell you these techniques…” Further talk let me know, they saw the sense of what I was saying, but they couldn’t, even in the hypothetical sense, be heard to say shooting the guy made common sense…

    What would you do in that situation? Seriously…

    • scott autry

      Another day at training, we watched a car-video of a traffic stop in which a cop who had been reprimanded for drawing his weapon the week before is confronted by a middle aged angry white male during a street stop. The guy lunged at him. The cop beat him off with his metal stick. The guy went to his truck and pulled out an M-1 rifle. The cop drew his firearm – but didn’t fire.

      The cop watched as the guy put a clip in the rifle, loaded a round in the chamber, and then started to point it at him. (The cop is now dead. His primal screams haunted us for a couple of days.)

      The training officer that day – as we discussed the video – said that since he was familiar with rifles, he’d have neutralized the individual when he began locking-n-loading the rounds. I honestly didn’t get it.

      He would have waited even after the guy got the gun out of the truck? Why on earth?!!

      (Because of the news media and disdain for cops a sizable portion of the viewing public have…)

      I’d have shot the guy as soon as I saw he was removing a M-1 military grade rifle from his vehicle. I’m glad I recognized being a cop wasn’t the profession for me…

      • scott autry

        By the way – the cop did shoot the guy as he turned the M-1 toward it. He hit the guy 1 or times, but the guy still got some shots off and wounded the cop. The cop moved for cover behind the rear of his vehicle and fired some more, but he was out-gunned by this time. The man – a war vet – skillfully used the M-1 to suppress the cops fire and aim until he was out of bullets – then – came around the car and unloaded his own clip into him. I am not exaggerating: The primal screams that cop let out were hard to stop hearing over a significant period of time…

  • Russ Perrine

    The elite softer kind of racism brings to mind the explosive hearings when Clarence Thomas was being questioned about his former co- worker Anita Hill. Justice Thomas told the congressmen “this is a high tech lynching”. Not much has changed.

    • scott autry

      There again it was about gaining and maintaining power. It was about keeping a conservative – white, black, red, blue, or green – off the court. They especially wanted to destroy him because he was black and harder to go after politically speaking.

      The way the media and Left went after Judge Pickering was one of the huge shoves I got toward turning to hate the Left and the Media.

      I wish I didn’t have to use the word “hate” but when something is as so bleeping disgusting as what they did to that man – and what his defenders from Mississippi had to say about his real mind when it came to race – it deserves to be despised deeply…

  • Paul Rush

    Thank you Bernie, You hit the nail right on the head. But the lamestream liberal media has already convicted the officer prior to all the facts being obtained and presented by the prosecutor presenting the case before the proper Court. Essentially they are calling for him to be indicted no matter what in order to appease the mob like crowd. You can count on President Obama throwing his two cents in soon about what is going on in Ferguson Mo.

  • homony

    Bernie; you there? My objection is that a municipal, and state issue is made a national issue by the media. Even the President has to get in on it!
    The media is making a national investigation long before the local and state governments get a chance to deal with it. This bruhaha, is just for the media selling airtime; it is not the nations business, Yet!

    • scott autry

      This president made a national issue of a black professor being questioned by police on his doorstep…

      • homony

        And it should not have been made one by the national media until the state had taken care of it. Racism Is a national issue, but issues of local concern should be given time by the media to be resolved. I know of the professor, and the cop was very wrong, but it was still a local issue. The national media is directing our interest to attract audience. Ferguson and all of St Louis is not being given a chance to solve it, without national money-making attention.

  • retiredxlr8r

    Apparently, in this incidence, facts do not matter other than a black teen was shot and killed by a white police officer! No more reason is required than that for the un-civilized, barbaric welfare, bent on violence crowd to rise up and protest that they don’t have special privilege’s over and above all others because their ancestors, not them, but their ancestors were owned slaves! I for one am through with allowing them any advantage at all.

  • scott autry

    Just a note. The police in England don’t carry firearms. They weren’t used in South Korea until recent years either. That would never work in the US given the prevalence of all kinds of weapons – from handguns to shotguns to deer rifles…

    …but…my point is – on the “Gentle Giant” issue — when I went through the police academy, they pointed out something that had never occurred to me: There is always a firearm on the scene when a cop is there…

    How often do you hear about a suspect, hoping to get away, attacking a cop? Even grabbing his weapon? It happens.

    And what happens after a cop is knocked senseless by a bigger guy or someone who is better at such things or took him by surprise or just got lucky?

    Hopefully, for both, the individual runs away… What if he doesn’t? What if he takes the weapon and kills the cop in a rage? It’s happened…

    If you are the cop, what are you going to do? Hope for the best? Hope you win the “fair fight”? Hope if you lose, the guy doesn’t do about the stupidest thing he could and kill you? Cross your fingers?

    In police academies, you are trained to use one step above the use of force continuum. If the guy gets physical, you go to the pepper spray or taser or stick. But, you are not trained that – “If he doesn’t have a weapon, and you shoot him, you are the murderer…”

    Given the reality of a street confrontation – especially 1-on-1 – when there is always a gun on the scene – if you are losing a fight for your life – what would you do? Are you seriously going to tell me you’d be able to tell your life wasn’t really in danger? That it was just a beating you were experiencing and it would stop at that?

    How many more house wives would we have in prison for murder or manslaughter if that were the general idea?

    • Lmaskell

      You said it! Would not work in US ‘given the prevalence of all kinds of weapons’. Good point! Solution – get rid of the weapons

      • madhatter46

        How–criminals don’t abide by laws–come to Chicago, see first hand

        • Lmaskell

          Get rid of the weapons. Take whatever steps to do so. Where do the goons get the guns? Steal from gun owners? straw buyers? gun shows w/out backround check?

          • madhatter46

            Wish it was that easy-criminals find, buy, steal, whatever it takes—same as war on drugs–wish judges enforced laws already on the books—wish Jesse Jackson made as big a deal out of black on black crime—13% of population, 46% of Homicides, 95% black on black shootings—but Jessse and Sharpton along with the media seem to worry about the few non black on black but say nothing about black on white

          • Lmaskell

            If you would open your closed mind, and stop watching FOX and reading trash from Goldberg, you would see the actions of Jackson and Sharpton. Jackson has been extremely vocal on the crime in Chicago and his Rainbow Coalition are extremely active in this area.

            Guns kill people. They all need to be taken away.

            The number of gunowners is falling, yet the number o guns sold is increasing. I guess the wackos need more than one gun to protect themselves against Obama.

          • madhatter46

            Please stop the name calling—I live in Chicago for 67 years now and Jackson is not the icon of social justice (I won’t even go to Al Sharpton). Check out your own prisms and disagree but don’t belittle –yeah it’s those wackos killing the youth of Chicago? Open your eyes –hubris and arrogance cloud vision–viam sapientae monstrabo tibi.

          • Lmaskell

            I have no need for you to show the way for me!! If you REALLY do live in Chicago, you know full well that Jackson does work on black on black crime. You are the one that belittles those who do try and do something. As I said, remove your racist glasses and acknowledge the work that people do in this area.

          • madhatter46

            -Go to church on Sunday and pray the all the stupid people in the world who don’t agree with you–
            Yes I do live in Chicago, same neighborhood since 1946–why would you call me a racist–do you stereotype everybody—is that intelligent—wow ! Have

      • scott autry

        I agree with the note below. I’d have to hear from a sampling of people in England and cops there – but – it would seem to give the criminals a big advantage: In upgrades the usefulness of a knife or baseball bat or piece of pipe quite a bit…. Criminals shouldn’t have an equal or stronger hand than the cops…

  • Mark Brickey

    Thank you for succinctly stating what many of us Americans have been seeing, hearing, experiencing but haven’t had the venue to express it.
    When you have thugs – um, sorry, spokesmen – that make their living stirring the cauldrons, this is what happens. We have bused-in thugs that go in & rip up a town or neighborhood when the inhabitants of that neighborhood was relatively peacefully demonstrating for answers. We have “leaders” demanding “proper actions” that aren’t necessarily dealing with the truth, but what is seen as PC. We have innocent shop owners & property owners destroyed by anarchic rabble.
    Yet, the real issues of black on black violence, black family continuum & really moving PAST race aren’t even on the radar…

  • PeterFitzwell

    Excellent! Does anyone in the media wait for the facts anymore before reporting?

  • ted

    Seems to me we are entering a new law enforcement and judicial world. I call it crowdsourcing of justice. Eric Holder and Barack Obama’s Justice Department is tacitly encouraging it. The crowd roars, the politicians react. The crowd roars “arrest tie officer, put him in jail”. Can anyone doubt that the man’s future will include jail? Along with crowdsourcing, “justice” will include judicial interpretations that “peer” in a jury means skin color. It seems clear the black-colored activists have infiltrated Ferguson and started all the riots and “demonstrations”. The Fergusonians might agree but no matter they are outnumbered. I saw a mention of Martin Luther King III along with Jackson, Sharpton and Holder. The, too, media is a clear conspirator in the quest for mob justice, vigilante justice. SO, in time the officer will be arrested. The jury will be all black or invalid. If the jury finds him innocent the Justice Department will arrest him for civil rights violations.
    This continuing process simply endorses the truth of the so-called “critical-race theory” (yes, taught at Harvard Law) where no white person can be objective with any person of color. Just think about THAT. Separate courts for each power group: color, gay, tall short etc. Sounds stupid? IT is on its way.
    After that, a peer will have to be one with the same viewpoint. Then it will demand that all persons of color need a jury that finds the defendant innocent or the jury isn’t one of the person’s peer group.
    The progressives will NEVER voluntarily relinquish power, it keeps encircling We the People.

    • Roadmaster

      Yep, started with the Rodney King debacle. Manipulate video and edit out the part where ol’ Rod was fiercely resisting arrest, requiring 8 cops to subdue him. Then when they get acquitted, WHOOPS! WRONG VERDICT! DO OVERS!!!

      Next iteration was the OJ circus where a likely murderer got off because one of the detectives used the “N” word a few years prior, with an assist by the utterly stupid and incompetent, Marcia Clark and her token black assistant, Chris Darden. Here is where jury nullification was perfected.

      But the Down Stream Media (where all turds end up) has now short circuited even a jury, with false memes, myth making, and agenda pushing. Their bias is so obvious and yet here we are again – phony outrage ginned up and fanned white hot, utterly detrimental to the black community but Al Sharpton could care less about them because they are simply pawns, a means to an end.

      Slavery is alive and well, expanding on the Dhimmicrat/Progressive/Marxist Plantation – MLK, Malcom X, Fredrick Douglas and every black leader prior to about 1968 must be spinning in their graves.

  • Russ Perrine

    Life imitates art is the popular saying when it fits any particular situation whether good or bad. Last nights rerun on New Yorks flagship CBS-2 was an old version of CSI Miami depicting a black man dressed up like darth vader entering the Miami-Dade HQ crime lab armed to the teeth, in order to take hostages so he could have a meeting with the star of the series who has bright red hair. Wow… Taking over a police station..? Really. Writers-R-Us must have produced this mush brain screen play. The point is the audience at this hour in NY (second largest market after LA) are not normal people sleeping to wake at 5 am to go to work…they are the just the reverse looking at this garbage believing this is what real life is all about. And then a bunch of actors portray TV news reporters much like those in Ferguson Missouri. One might hope network types would not want to broadcast this dreck on their air ever! But to get a tiny rating anything goes. Check, please………..

  • jonshepp

    Excellent observation from Bernard: “I’m pretty sure if George Zimmerman had been black, we’d never know the name Trayvon Martin. And if 18-year old Michael Brown were white, we probably wouldn’t know his name, either . . .”

    How about adding, “Or Obama president if he had inherited his mother’s skin instead of his father’s.” In that case neither Jesse nor Al would have given him a second look. Nor the Democrat Party of Illinois that made him an honorable senator from the south side of Chicago.

    To that end, we need to remember a corrupt media makes its profits off of creating fear within the society. I remember a perfect example from a comment Sarah Palin had made, the New York Times refusing to print it with its representative spitting out an arrogant and aloof excuse for tossing the reader’s right to know on the editing room floor explaining, “It ain’t news until we say it is.

    And therein lies what one might call ‘the elephant in the room,’ a fourth estate that marries itself to the executive branch of a government to create the news rather than report on it. I suspect it’s why around 2,400 years ago Plate reasoned that no matter how hard a society tried, no successful democracy could ever be achieved; that there would always be a Sharpton, a Jackson, and a New York Times.

  • Jim

    Great Points Bernie!!!
    Now replace Elite Liberals with RINO or Republican Establishment and substitute Black Kid with Tea Party and then you might have a story!!!

  • John

    Jason Riley, author of “Please Stop Helping us” was on Meet the Press yesterday saying what Mr. Goldberg did in his article. Andrea Mitchel tried everything she could do to shut him up thereby proving Mr. Goldberg’s point that liberals don’t care about minorities except when they can point out what a racist society we supposedly live in. if you can catch the clip on the internet it’s a hoot because dear Andrea looked like she was going to have a heart attack.

    • scott autry

      The Bolsheviks didn’t win through democracy – like Dr. King did by forcing American society to admit it was far from living up to the ideals of its founding documents. The Bolsheviks did what Ayers and at least a young Obama wanted to emulate: Ride the backs of the discontented mob in order to gain more power than their ideas could actually win then use more conventional power (artillery and bullets) to make sure the masses stayed controllable once the Lenins and Stalins were in office in the new “and improved” institutions…

  • bbf

    The private autopsy reports that Michael Brown was shot at least 6 times, twice in the head..from a distance from at least 2 feet. He was either shot from behind, or with his hands up in a defensive position. This report seems to confirm what one of the witnesses said.

    • disqus_bnN9ikVSpG

      That’s not accurate. The autopsy showed that all shots entered from the front and one to the head was on top of the head which would be indicative of the victim lowering his head as if he was charging the shooter.

      • ron1443

        Where did bbf get his info? From holders autopsy?

    • itasara

      I heard the autopsy report this morning. If I remember correctly, Mr. Brown was shot once in the forehead and once near his eye which may have traveled thru his chin and to the shoulder. The results were not 100% conclusive as to if Mr. Brown turned but I didn’t hear anything for sure that he was running and was shot in the back..

    • scott autry

      Police are trained to shoot twice to the chest and once to the head – and if that doesn’t stop the individual – you keep firing until it does.

      It is called Use of Deadly Force – not – “wing him”…

      • Walt disney

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozambique_Drill

    • scott autry

      I remember sitting in an airport listening to an intelligent individual talking on the phone to a friend about the Zimmerman case and saying something like, “Yeah, that was ridiculous. I mean, he couldn’t have just fired a shot in the air? That wouldn’t have made him run away? I mean, come on, he wanted to kill him…”

      Of course, this was only after the media was forced to admit the evidence showing Zimmerman had the back of his head slammed into the ground repeatedly – as he claimed…

      The lengths people will go to to maintain their meta-narratives drives me nuts…

    • CQ

      bbf, that is the exact opposite of the autopsy report I just read – that all shots were from in front of Brown.

  • JUSTIN L. PETACCIO

    Images of people looting and burning buildings remind me of the South Central LA riots, when 4 LAPD cops were found not guilty for what was clearly the excessive use of force and beating of Rodney King. I understand that the people in Ferguson, MO are upset, even outraged. I get it. But what I don’t understand in this case, as in the case of the South Central riots, is what purpose does it serve for the people to be destroying their own towns. They are only hurting themselves and in the process taking the attention away from the killing of one of their own. Yes, America has a race problem, but the black community needs to do some house cleaning. If there are to be any improvements in the black community, then it must first start with the black community. Blacks are killing blacks. Plus, in a civilized society, we have the rule of law and a judicial system where these matters are to be resolved. If the black community does not have any confidence in the judicial system then, it is the responsibility of the black community, no one else, to make the necessary changes to make it acceptable to them to resolve their problems. Destroying property is not the answer, It only makes the black community look very bad.

    • Stimpy

      The rioting and destruction of community stores and property makes this black community look bad — because they are bad. They’ve got a ghetto mindset that just won’t quit.

  • John H

    I don’t usually agree with Bernie, but here he’s spot on.

  • vwman

    Really? Holder is getting involved? Where has he been? He must be interviewing for Al Sharpton ‘ s job as Chief Racial Hater instigator.

  • greatj

    Obama and the Democratic Party wants this kept up until November to rally blacks to vote for their candidates.

    • Stimpy

      Not necessary. They tend to vote as a block anyway, typically 95% democrat or more.

  • http://www.drhodges.org/ Rev. Dr. Ronald E. Hodges

    It appears that Bernard Goldberg has is own type of personal softer kind of racism too. Great example of the white tea kettle calling the pot black.

    • Jarob54

      To some degree everyone is racist. When I was a teen, I would get mad at my dad, and I was anti gentile,, I got mad at my mom I was anti Semitic , until one day my brother asked me, what are you.

      • http://www.drhodges.org/ Rev. Dr. Ronald E. Hodges

        My point specifically….it appears Goldberg made this case in chief for this point.

    • Stimpy

      So you are saying that the race baiters like Al Sharpton should’t get called out for inciting more racial hatred?

  • Pamela Kunz

    Well said.

  • nnw59

    Political Correctness is leftism. Let’s call it what is is. No Conservative position is considered “politically correct”. Great column, Bernie.

  • Indi4ever

    The general sentiments expressed in this piece are all true. But an important part being left out is the fact that this was a Police killing (justified or not). White or Black this would be a big deal. There may not be riots, but anytime a Police Officer fires a weapon (apparently hitting its mark six times) and kills someone, and there is a possibility of it being unjustified, it’s a big deal.

    Again, not sympathetic in any way to the discord being shown, but lets not pretend this is the same as just another black on black killing.

    • Ljubica48

      Exactly right, this is not the same as “just” another black on black killing. Your blatantly racist dismissal of blacks “just” killing another black is abhorrent. Are you assuming that a black kid gunned down by another black kid is somehow less dead than a black kid shot by a police officer?
      Your disregard for the lives of the dozens and dozens of young black kids gunned downed every weekend in Chicago, week after week after week, is just disgusting racism at its worst. And your implication that those killings of blacks by other blacks is somehow justified is beyond the pale.

      • Walt disney

        Ljubica48 – you’re mincing words and missing the point. I4’s use of ‘just’ wasn’t in absolute terms but rather relative terms. The quotes around the word ‘just’ were implicit and obviated by both Bernie’s OP and subsequent discussion. You seem to have an axe to grind and too hasty to pounce.

        • Indi4ever

          Thanks, I could not have said it more succinctly.

      • Stimpy

        Bernie was simply asking why the media aren’t concerned with black on black violence — he certainly isn’t dismissing it or applauding it. His point was to ask why a white killing a black becomes such a huge story when a black killing a black (a much more common event) doesn’t warrant much attention at all. This non-coverage of black on black violence being a sign of racism — isn’t it?

    • scott autry

      It would have been a big issue in that town or area of the city. Not national news. it wouldn’t even have ginned up much interest in the state – not without race coming into play.

      Mentioning the number of bullets does nothing to add to the conversation – for a variety of reasons. I’ll just state one: Police are not trained to fire just one shot. If they deem deadly force is necessary, the aim is to neutralize the individual. You are trained to fire 3 shots – 2 to the chest and 1 to the head – and if that doesn’t do it – you fire more – because waiting around to see if your first shot removed the threat that made you use deadly force in the first place —- gets YOU killed…

      • Indi4ever

        I obviously disagree with you about the news coverage. Let’s chalk it up to a difference of opinion and leave it at that. As for the number of bullets being important or not, in court you are right, but for News journalism it would be. I am not saying
        it is correct one way or the other, just pointing out why it would be a
        big deal.

  • Richard Constance Bradner

    EXCELLENT missive. Well stated. Needs to be read by Every voter in America.

  • trixiefire

    Micheal Baden, the lead forensic investigator said it well. “A 3rd autopsy is rare. Second autopsies are not uncommon. A President had never been involved in a high profile shooting except for the Charles Manson Murders, and you all are too young to remember that”
    Would Obama be involved if the kid was white?

    • Jarob54

      To answer your question, would Mr Obama be involved if this kid were white? No. There is no political hay to be made and no division of America to divide.

    • allen goldberg

      ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!

  • k962

    This case is being tried on TV, by know nothing pundits and race baiters !

  • FloridaJim

    George Zimmermann was Mexican and that put a halt to the news until he was shown and didn’t look “Mexican” but white so the game was on in the race-baiting world of Sharpton, Obama, Holder and Jackson et al. WE are not allowed to await the total story of the robbery, the attack on the officer by Brown and the “bum-rush” by Brown that might give the wrong idea to America that the officer was doing his job, perhaps? O’Reilly is correct let’s get all the facts and stop the speculation which is harming America as the election nears, any connection?

  • Jarob54

    Every day and every night in the large metro areas in this nation blacks kill blacks as if it were some type of sport and never do we witness the race peddlers such as Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson or Dick Gregory flinch or bat an eye. Why? It does not advance “their” cause. ‘Cause this is what they do to earn their daily bread. They peddle hate, race bait, and lust for a spot on the evening news. It’s the truth and it’s pitiful.
    It’s true no one knows what went down in Ferguson other that the cop and the kid. But the race peddlers have rendered a verdict before there is an investigation. And some times such as in the Tawana Brawley case the rush to judgment is completely wrong as Al Sharpton knows so very well.
    Why do some people act they way they do? I have always wondered why some people riot and some people don’t. Many of the trained psychologist will offer pages of analysis attempting to explain the rage and fury of the exploited and oppressed and place the blame elsewhere other than where it belongs. Those who break the law and act barbaric exploiting the situation at hand. Such as Al Sharpton every time the “right” situation presents itself. Pitiful!

    • http://batman-news.com 1940voter

      If all the evidence is allowed to be presented by the politicians ie; Gov and police it will be shown this kid was not a choir boy. That being said it does not give any cop the right to kill indiscriminitly. All the evidence must be shown to the public and transparency must be had. Obama getting involved once again only raises the temp to boiling. Where is he every Monday on the killings and shootings in Chicago?Maybe instead of fund raising he should walk the Chicago streets and learn something about real crime.

  • saul kamelhar

    Bernie: you are so right. Political Correctness is the greatest danger to our national security. This case should be turned over to an independent investigator and when all the facts are in, proceed with an indictment or other disciplinary procedures. For the people of Ferguson to riot and loot is criminal and they should be arrested and prosecuted. Peaceful demonstration is the right way to express outrage, but even then it has to stop consuming all the air around it, or it becomes another overdone news story that persons of all races and religions begin to say “enough is enough”.

  • savage24

    Honest journalism is dead and sensationalism with political correctness has taken over. Reporting news without having the facts is what comes from 24/7 news coverage we have today. The guy that coined the phrase “Hell has no fury as a woman scorned” never saw the media in a feeding frenzy. As for racism, it will never go away as long as it is useful to the politicians and the media.

  • lark2

    This column is the best thing I have ever read. It deserves a major award and maximum visibility. It won’t get either because the media is complicit in creating the victimhood narrative and the Black Race baiters see no benefit in focusing on the issues raised by this column.

  • Mike Neder

    Bullseye!

  • jon

    Was this caused by slavery?

  • joepotato

    The B.S. Media, predominately controlled by the CFR, and infiltrated and influenced by the CIA will proclaim what news is worthy of reporting… It’s not worthy of reporting if it doesn’t coincide with or further their political agenda… That’s the short story… but don’t take my word for it… If you search you can find evidence that the propaganda media hasn’t scrubbed yet…
    ***Joe Potato*** ~ Comment-tater ~

  • ScranunSlim

    To be fair to Holder, the DoJ and the FBI, I think they’re still busy investigating the possible racism in that parade float that featured Obama in an outhouse

    • joepotato

      Yeah… that’s really scandalous… {:-/>

  • Drew Page

    Bernie, your observation and comments in this article are 100% accurate.

    If a white kills another white, unless it’s a politician, no one cares except the victim’s family. If a black kills another black, or a white, generally no one cares except the victim’s family. Sometimes when an innocent black child is killed by a random bullet from a gang-banger who can’t shoot straight, there is an outbreak of sympathy and/or a march through the community decrying the violence. But in all these circumstances, it doesn’t trigger burning businesses ,looting or the arrival of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and an investigation by Eric Holder; these things only happen when a white kills a black. Go figure.

  • chichilouise

    When White House agents out protecting the gates murdered a young mother in her car with her baby in the back seat, congress cheered, and no one protested. IF they ever wanted an innocent victim to protest over, she would be a great candidate. But the abusers work for Obama, so they pretended she was a terrorist, or a mentally ill woman, and have refused to release the video tapes of the incident. So it isn’t just the race of the victim that makes the difference, but who the shooter law enforcement agents work for.

  • Not Heterophobic

    You hit the nail on the head Bernard. My generation thought we would solve racial issues, never dreaming that black racists who maintain the divide by fostering perpetual victim status would be promoted by our “rulers” in order to keep the chasm as wide as the Grand Canyon. Why?

    • dandlac

      Two words: Money, Power.

      • Not Heterophobic

        a.k.a Sin… or the third word.

    • Ted Crawford

      It’s not particularly difficult to determine when we observe the totals in the Bank Accounts of those such as Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and Reverend Wright! Nor when we see the donations to the Democrat Party when they parade ginned-up racial issues at their rally’s !

  • dandlac

    Bernie, nothing in there I can argue with you. I would say that you did live out some key enablers of the racial hatred which is setting our country back by decades. Obama and Holder look at every event through the eyes of racists and their actions are not helpful except to incite more racial animosity.

  • Barancy Peloma

    excellent points and observations bernie.

    • jy kelly

      As usual, I might add….

  • scott autry

    Look at the schools now – with the push for “social justice” as a core around which to build all the curriculum. Look a little further back to the push to get college applicants to do community service and now to require it for graduation. In the key institutions The Left have gained a majority, it isn’t good enough to have that majority within the system. Now, with the power to do it, they push further out, further down to reach children – to indoctrinate them earlier and earlier. — This is eating the system out from within. The news media is one such institution.

    I wish conservatives or conservative groups with money would do some research – like the kind of research the Media Research Center does with the media.

    I’d like to see a formal study on how participation in Christian and Jewish, religious-based social activism/outreach orgs is received on college applications or considered at colleges that require some form of community service.

    I’d like to see undercover investigation of this at places that require community service – some way to expose how the people managing such orgs of institutions think about one type of community service vs another…

    • Drew Page

      Do you think being sentenced to “community service” by a judge would count on a college app?

    • Jim Pell

      I share your skepticism about “social justice” or “fairness” used as excuses for economic levelling. But young people who participate in voluntary community service get to see a wider view of society than those who do not. I didn’t, when I was young, and I wish I had had that maturing experience. Today my Kiwanis club sponsors high schoolers who cooperate for community service and fundraising efforts for purposes they themselves select. It’s good for our town, and good for the kids.

  • Benmaxcon

    The real reason is blacks do not value their own lives. Bernie said 93% of black murder victims are killed by other blacks. Blacks vote 97-98% for democrats, the party of abortion which kills thousands of black babies every year.
    Trayvon Martin’s family released that picture of him when he was 10, to stoke up sympathy. The real reason they pushed his case was not justice, it was so they could get donations and a settlement for suing somebody. Duke lacrosse, same thing, all about money. The rioters in Ferguson want free stuff. The parents want money. That’s the bottom line. They care more about getting stuff than the lives of their own people. You watch. There will be a lawsuit against the Ferguson police, the officer himself, and maybe even the state of Missouri. They may even sue the owner of the store that was robbed for making the video available to police, who released it to the public. Al and Jesse will use this to fundraise. They will continue to live large and eat at fancy restaurants, jetting around the country and riding in limosines, while blacks keep killing blacks. It’s all about greed.

    • Brian Fr Langley

      This comment is perverse and repugnant. And falls into a murderous continuum. First objectify and dehumanize (“they” as in the other, don’t feel normal grief). The next short step is demonization, with a murderous heart a closely followed companion. There is neither justice or truth herein

      • dandlac

        Or perhaps he just uttered an inconvenient truth which you chose not to accept.

        • Brian Fr Langley

          Which inconvenient truth is that?

          • dandlac

            That there are ulterior motives involved which you chose not to see.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            The inference that skin color mitigates against the grief of a slain loved one is reprehensible. What I clearly see, is an attempt to dehumanize another humans suffering.

          • dandlac

            No, that is what you chose to see and believe, you are blinded by what you want to call dehumanization, when in fact it is clear that they did these things to stoke animosity, the facts of the cases prove it out over and over again. It has nothing to do with color whatsoever, but the race baiters always want to make it about that. THAT is reprehensible.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            That’s my point the race baiters baited you, and you bit. What I posted was an objection to a statement that inferred skin color related to grief (or lack thereof). And that money was the objective of the grief displayed, not the genuine feelings a family might have for a slain son? For my take on this tragedy read my earlier post below.

          • dandlac

            And what you fail to understand is that I bit on nothing. I merely stated there are reasons that people do things beyond grief. You chose not accept that yet it is true.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Of course people do things beyond grief, I never suggested otherwise. What I am saying, is that dismissing a family’s grief based on the color of their skin, is ridiculous.

          • dandlac

            I see no evidence that anyone did that, most especially the individual you initially chose to engage.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            You better read it again? “Blacks don’t value their own lives”? The real reason they push the case is not justice? (it’s money) c’mon, argue with some semblance of sense.

          • Stimpy

            Yes blacks don’t value their own lives. Too often academic achievement is viewed as being too white, when practiced by a young black. Holding onto racial grievances is ultimately self-destructive. Even simple things, like paying your bus fare, is laughed at in the ghetto community. There is a disdain for authority which is pervasive.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            ? You’re kidding right. A whole ethnic group comprised of millions and millions of people all of whom don’t value their own lives? What a load of codswallop!

          • dandlac

            Check out this video. Listen closely to all the comments:

            http://youtu.be/VdL9dqkyjhM

          • Brian Fr Langley

            I’m neither defending nor accusing here, not the young man or the cop. Those investigations are ongoing. What I’m suggesting here, is that some inferring skin color ameliorates grief is preposterous.

          • Stimpy

            You are wrong. No one is asserting that. We are just pointing to the legions of grievance mongers, thugs, looters, and camera happy celebrants who use this situation for their own ends. Happiness is a warm and rowdy mob. Think Mardi Gras with tear gas.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            You better read the original post again that I responded to. That is exactly what is being asserted.

          • dandlac

            Treyvon Martin was not 10 when that happened, so why put out a photo of him, so angelic, when he was 10, especially when the truth is that he was a banger who sold drugs and caused problems in his community.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            What does that have to do with my comment? I totally agree the media lies, cheats, dissembles, and along with leftist progressives deliberately creates division. Which it appears they have sucked you into as well?

          • dandlac

            They havent sucked me into anything. I look at the incident holistically and wait for evidence, real evidence, to come out. I dont make a rush to judgement, nor do I buy into claims of innocence when all the facts are not known. Do I believe that they do not grieve? Of course not. Do I think that the race hustlers and the attorneys see money and power and coerce dishonest behavior, you betcha. I also believe that the black community should spend more time teaching their children about respect, and work ethic and personal accountability, and these very few incidents would become even less. So you better believe I think the black community is responsible and incites this behavior. And then wants to enrich from the outcome.

      • bearmountain

        Or perhaps he used the word “they” instead of BLACK for fear of being labeled a RACIST?

        • Brian Fr Langley

          The other is always they. Meaning NOT we. An attempt to objectify.

          • bearmountain

            Thank you.

      • Ted Crawford

        The preponderance of historical evidence points to the fact that, in fact it’s YOU who are wrong here!

        • Brian Fr Langley

          Which historical evidence is that?

          • Ted Crawford

            The accounts of very nearly every major “Racial Issue” since the murder of the last major Civil Rights Leader ,Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.!

          • Brian Fr Langley

            And what accounts are those? The idea that people don’t feel grief based on skin color and are just playing outraged to get money is patently ridiculous.

          • falling321

            Are YOU trying to say that Jackson, Sharpton, the Black Panthers and the lawyers who showed up out of thin air grabbing clients by the handful are feeling REAL grief? Or are you talking about those who are creating the riots or doing the looting? Because no one is going to believe you! This young man’s family is grieving, there is no doubt in anyone’s mind about that fact, but the majority involved in this right now, are in it for the publicity, the money and in some cases political agendas! And unfortunately, history shows us all to often that even the parents will decide to go for the money while the money is there for the making…often times raking in big, big bucks off of their children’s deaths. I have no idea what Michael Brown’s parents will do, time will reveal that, but if we look at history for guidance, the first of the lawsuits will be announced soon.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            You should read the original post that I replied to. It inferred that blacks don’t feel the same grief, and what grief is demonstrated is about making money????

          • Ted Crawford

            You make a huge, blanket statement, what “people” are you referring to for example? The Family or Sharpton, Jackson, NAACP, New Black Panthers? With respect to the family, I see no indications that they are responding with anything but grief and simply need to understand how all this happened!
            With respect to the other’s mentioned, as I previously stated, for these disgusting agitators, it’s ALL about Money, and Influence, which, of course, translates into money at the end of the day!

          • Brian Fr Langley

            You should read my original post to benmaxcon where he asserted “blacks do not value their own lives, and insinuating their “grief” is only about getting money. The “race baiters” you refer to are detestable and unconscionable, but it appears they “baited” and you bit?

          • Ted Crawford

            What, in your opinion, condition accounts for the fact that Kyle Hagan, a Black Man, was shot to death in front of his three year old Daughter , or a sixteen year old pregnant Black Girl is shot, and all we hear from Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, the NAACP, or the community writ large is crickets? The only difference in these shootings is the fact that the shooters were Black!

          • Brian Fr Langley

            I’m not sure what your point is? I agree the activities of the race baiters like Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson and the NAACP are reprehensible. I also agree they don’t show up and decry black on black violence. I disagree that black people feel grief differently than anybody else. Or that they (blacks) typically don’t value their own lives. That idea is patently racist.

          • Ted Crawford

            So then , your only purpose here is to pontificate and obfuscate!

          • Brian Fr Langley

            My point, was to tell benmaxcon his comment was decidedly bigoted and inappropriate.

      • ScranunSlim

        Your heart is in the right place, Padre, but your head is elsewhere. The Gentle Giant was about to be immaculated as another harmless “Kid Skittles” — until the video surfaced of an arrogant THUG.

        • Brian Fr Langley

          That doesn’t mean his family doesn’t grieve him because he’s black?

          • ScranunSlim

            Your compassion, Padre, is blinding you to the pathologies of the Inner City.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Perhaps read my earliest post (well below this one, near the beginning) to see how blind my comment is?

          • falling321

            Of course his family grieves his death, but in most of these cases their grief does not stop them from bringing in big name lawyers to help them sue anyone that will hold still long enough to be sued, regardless of the facts proving their son was NOT the nice guy they want the world to believe their son was! Perhaps they really did not even know their son was a thief and a bully, along with being the great son they knew him to be, and it will take them some time to come to that realization, but they will be looking for money long before that realization has time to hit home.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            My comment was in opposition to the comments “blacks do not value their own lives” and the inference that their grief is not as real as their desire to “cash in”

          • Stimpy

            Sure they grieve him. Maybe if they had done a tiny bit better job of bringing him up he wouldn’t be on the coroner’s table right now. He and the 40,000 other black kids who suffer a violent death.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Perhaps read my earlier post on this subject. (down below near the beginning).

      • falling321

        This comment might sound perverse and repugnant, but unfortunately it is also factual. And the reason “they” is used, is not to objectify anyone, but because ‘they’ is the quickest, easily understood way to say the usual crowd of race baiters have shown up, meaning Sharpton, Jackson, Obama, Holder, the Black Panthers and of course the media who are not so much looking for money to pay for their fancy lifestyle, but to keep their station funded and help Obama further his divisionist agenda. And no, ‘they’ do NOT feel ANY grief or have any desire for this case to be judged by the public or a jury, on facts alone, they see dollar signs, big donations and media camera’s! Hence the lying about the way this happened by those who witnessed the incident and are lying to hide the facts of the case, encouraged by the race baiters who are happy to make up what was never happened in order to protect the guilty! In the black community there is a saying, “Snitches get stitches.” It means far more than it appears to at first glance. It DOES mean those who tell the truth about the actions of their fellow black man will get a serious beat down, but it means that blacks stand together, no matter how outrageously some must lie, cheat or steal in order to protect a guilty fellow black from justice! Of course the parents grieve the loss of their son, but even they are not above letting a big wig lawyer talk them into using their sons death to make some very big bucks while those bucks are available for the making!

        • Brian Fr Langley

          Factual? “blacks do not value their own lives”. Blacks don’t grieve for murdered family members, they just want to cash in? The crux of my comment, has nothing to do with race baiting, lying, cheating leftists and their media acolytes. My comment is a warning against what is an explicit attempt to dehumanize folks based on their skin color. I can assure you (with absolute certainty) that one color of humans does not corner the market on feeling grief.

  • scott autry

    This what I mean by Balkinizing the society. Fighting to create or strengthen divisions in order to take sides to champion one over the other. Creating or stoking conflict… To bring “change” and feel like you’re fighting a righteous cause. I despise the media for this…

    I’d simply dislike it for not telling me news. I no longer remember if there was ever a time in my life they just reported what happened earlier today or yesterday… Now, all I remember is “analysis” – telling people what to think – and predicting what it means for the future…

    And it has been for a long time now all about —- Framing the narrative – not telling the details of the story…

    The media sees a black man without a weapon killed. They recognize an opportunity – the ability to rekindle a meta-narrative they love deep in their heart – how Racist America is and how evil cops are – so – the rush to milk the event for everything they can — to shape the society’s mind.

    And — they do so as Activists: They filter every piece of information through —- how they WANT to use it to tell a narrative they believe benefits their side (the oppressed peoples of oppressive American society the white majority still keeps under their jackboot).

    I bleeping hate the media – because of how they function – and what they say their gold standard of the profession is — Fair, Balanced, Straight Forward, Fact Reporting.

    BFS

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2014/08/15/Robbery-Tape-Humiliates-Media-Gentle-Giant-Narrative

    • nepakandy

      I agree. I think when the media began 24/7 news stations, and entertainment news, they were forced to find hours of video bites which they ran again, and again. What would more natural than progressing to analyzing what those hours of news means, or speculating on what a person was thinking when they did that, or said that. I no longer watch news, I get that through various websites, and do my own analysis.

      • scott autry

        I’d like to tune out altogether. That is my dream. I want to apply Voltaire’s advice in Candide and tend my own garden – but – as you can see – I fail at it regularly…

        • Drew Page

          Do you imply that this is not “the best of all possible worlds” as declared by Dr. Pangloss?

    • Ted Crawford

      Perhaps Dr. King said it best!
      “Nothing in all the World is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity!”
      “Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding of people of ill will!”

      • scott autry

        I just had a food for thought moment. I’ll have to consider it more. But, I wonder…

        Given the advances in the American society in terms of equal opportunity — Would Dr. King today feel more in tune with white America than Black???

        I think that is worth serious consideration…That the question might lead to some useful insights…

        Would he be more proud of the reality he sees across the land?

        Or, prouder of the media and Sharptons and Liberal Elitists in higher education and activist groups – trying to enrage blacks by telling them everything is just as bad or worse than during the 1950s or 40s or 30s???

        • Ted Crawford

          My recollections of Dr. king was of a man not overly concerned with ethnicity, but rather with fairness, justice and as he clearly stated “Content of Character”!
          He was, of course a Black Man, which was simply a fact of life and a condition of his birth, that should not be considered a factor implying rightness or wrongness!

        • Brian Fr Langley

          Dr. King was a Baptist Pastor, as such he would be a traditionalist. He was against abortion, sex outside marriage (unless it was him) and he was for fathers raising their own children. The words he used sum it up best. A day when a man would be judged by the content of his character, not the color of his skin. He would likely feel more in tune with traditionalists no matter their skin color.

          • mplo

            I never knew MLK’s position on abortion, but I’m sure he wouldn’t have gone out of his way to prevent any woman or girl, regardless of ethnicity or color, from obtaining an abortion to terminate an unwanted pregnancy.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            if you think that, then you don’t believe he was a Baptist pastor.

    • Drew Page

      You hit the nail on the head Scott. There are many of us who detest the “main stream media” for the same reasons. I don’t believe we need others giving us their analysis of the news. Skip the “analysis” and just give us the facts.

  • Brian Stover

    Liberal racism wants special programs for Black and Latino minorities based on the incorrect concept that people in those groups aren’t smart enough or ambitious enough to be successful.

  • scott autry

    “They need to feel that black kids are being hunted down like rabid dogs by modern day Bull Connors. In a perverse way, it makes them feel good” Bingo!!

    There are a variety of in-depth, overlapping things here – perhaps many stemming from the foundation of Progressivism.

    This is a drum I’ve been beating for years now, because it is key part that stokes my disgust with them. What helps take it beyond a difference of opinion.

    For Occupy Wall Street types down to the Starbucks sofa sippers – riots in the streets and “fighting the man” make them feel proud and happy – because it fans the self-righteousness that brings them elation.

    Why elation? It’s like a Christian or Muslim or Jew or other religious person donating money to charity. You are helping do God’s work… It’s like saving a drowning orphan… It’s like storming the beaches of Normandy to defeat fascism and Nazism…

    Which leads us to — How they believe or pretend they want to believe Capitalism and true-liberal, representative American democracy are —- HIGHLY oppressive…

    That is the heart and foundation of Progressivism.. The inherent doomsday nature of the whole socio-political ideology – and this touches on a hidden element of the great successes of the Civil Rights Era…

    Progressivism in a democracy can only gain Power in relation to how much they can convince the average man — something is wrong enough to warrant Change. Because, without the help of the common man, activists go – nowhere… No matter how big the crowds in the streets are.

    Martin Luther King Jr. was a fantastic leader. He rallied many around him. But, if ordinary citizens sitting in front of their TVs across the fruited plains had not identified with and understood and recognized what he was talking about —- had not been revolted by the reaction of racist America – and the riots and lynchings and so on — King and those who followed him in the streets would have gotten nowhere…

    Which brings us to Sharpton and the dilemma of contemporary Progressism and the ideology’s primary weakness::

    If the average citizen no longer believes the society is so screwed up – so oppressive and unequal and racist – that dramatic change is necessary – a party driven by the ideology will lose —- Power…

    Which brings us to the more active elements of the Occupy Wall Street types and a historical understanding of the movement —- Decades ago, they got around this need for agreement with the majority (majority rule – i.e. democracy) by preaching Revolution.

    Revolution doesn’t have to worry about democracy… They don’t imagine winning hearts and minds. They believe Oppression can only be — overthrown.

    That is the kind of mindset Obama was raised on from cradle thru college and early Chicago days. Then, people like he and Ayers became discouraged the Revolution didn’t materialize like they’d imagined – and changed their tune to Progressivism…

    But, the end goal hasn’t changed — and this is a vital key: Since their jumping off point is that American society is inherently Oppressive – it means — true-liberal democracy and capitalism – have to go…

    Whether the Revolution is open warfare in the streets or slowly eating the system out from within — the goal is to fundamentally Change how things are done within American political culture and economy…

    They aren’t seeking to get the right men and women into the right positions to run things within in the system……They view the system as inherently evil.

    Their goal is to get enough men and women in positions of influence to – get rid of the system itself…

    • scott autry

      A nutshell version of this was that video/sound bite before the first election where Obama talked about how the Coal Industry would be forced to do what an environmental Left-led government wanted: The gov would make them an offer they couldn’t refuse: Either self-impose measures (which would ultimately bankrupt the industry) – or – the gov would impose measures (the same or other, it didn’t matter) that would bankrupt the industry anyway….and from the ashes of bankruptcy, an environmental Left-led gov would create and control a new industry…

      • Drew Page

        Scott, if you rephrase your final statement to read, “…and from the ashes of a bankrupt government, a socialist, Left led government would create a new world order…” you will have defined the Cloward & Piven strategy. If you haven’t heard of it before, Google it.

        • scott autry

          Haven’t heard of it. Will check it out. But, it’s been part of the further Left’s playbook for over a century.

          And it’s all about not having numbers…at least in modern times…but I think maybe even back to Lenin and crew…

          The communists didn’t inspire the masses to risk their lives as a mob to overthrow the Czars: They infiltrated different mass movements that were weakening the state enough for overthrow – then – they ate those movements from within – and benefited from the inability of the different reform movements to work together as they attacked and weakened each other…

          Key Point: We are NOT talking about greater democracy here…

          We are talking about infiltration, subversion, propagandizing, to bring about the opportunity for dismantling of the system/institutions to create what — a small minority of people believe is righteous…

          This is why the founding fathers craved checks-n-balances. No group, no matter how self-righteous – should have enough true power to attempt to dictate what we should think or how we should be…

  • Brian Fr Langley

    This media bias is easy to explain. Elite liberal thinking is specifically and deliberately divisive. Whether the war on women, the war on blacks, the war on hispanics, (you know, the southern border) or the war on gays. (you know, if you support traditional marriage). There is a very real (and devastating) war that is actually going on here, (committed by anti-traditionalists) and it’s impact is wreaking havoc in the black community. The stats are more than sobering, they’re downright shocking. Not only are 73% of black children being raised in single parent families, nearly 50% of black babies concieved (in many many jurisdictions) are being aborted by their mothers. That means some 85% of a communities renewal is being aborted by their mothers or abandoned by their fathers. In websites like “Black genocide.org.” or books like “marriage is for white people”, the now almost complete destruction of the black American family is being documented. And don’t be smug if you’re not black, the stats show hispanics and whites closing in fast. Skin color is irrelevant to these stats. What is relevant is what happens to communities who embrace anti-traditionalist values. Values like, abortion on demand, easy welfare, better welfare for single mothers, sex outside of marriage, gay marriage, condoms in schools, etc. etc. etc. All the aforementioned are progressive values being embraced by media and leftist elites. The results of children being raised without fathers in a “free” sex environment, are exactly what one would expect. Far less educational attainment, earlier and earlier pregnacies, (repeating the cycle), higher incarceration rates, and the utter demolition of the traditional family. The calls for justice are loud and growing, but how is a society going to ever be a “just” one, when it deliberately encourages men and women into gratuitous sexual relations, then encourages women to abort their babies, and then their fathers to abandon them.

    • dandlac

      Couldnt agree more. This is the real dehumanization.

    • Drew Page

      Liberals, or ” secular progressives” as they like to be called, champion moral relativism. They think that no one and no institution has the right to tell anyone else what is right or wrong. So basically, anything goes. Lots of freedom and no responsibilities. No one should have to work if they don’t want to, but they should be supported in their desires by people who do work. No one should have any more than anyone else, except of course those who preach this doctrine. What to do when those who work no longer want to? well, that’s a story for another day.

  • Don Goddard

    This is a whole different culture that I lived in. There has been a
    systematic change in how most things are defined within our society
    where it be school curricula or the solvency that separates how
    rigidly people define the most basic things, including gender. We work
    for organizations that employ equal opportunity specialists, who are
    typically selected based upon their color and gender, so that the guys
    and gals pullin’ down the big bucks can offer that as evidence of
    “equality”. And, the EEO systematically provide special recognition,
    based upon race and color, and don’t host programs that acknowledge the
    beauty is everyone gender or race’s contributions. Worse yet this has
    created a fear of not being perceived as inclusive or not to be critical
    of the non-marginalized portion of the population, lest they feel
    offended. No there is nothing at all wrong with a little tolerance.
    Lord knows we could use a lot more of that these days. And if it could be
    distilled into an inoculation, I would be all for injecting a whole
    host of people who seem very eager to disarticulate many of our heads
    just because of the religion we may follow. But, worse is that in spite
    of it all there is no organized effort to turn this whole thing
    around. You would have thought that after a group of Army
    psychiatrists, who like to feel they have a bit of skill in
    psychological assessment, failed to scream loudly and identify Major Nidal Malik Hasan
    as a potential threat, there would have been some motivation to get
    back on the right course? But, it doesn’t look like there is a lot of
    interest in averting the inevitable disasters in the future if we keep
    walking this path.

    • scott autry

      A key part of this is the Balkanization of America through the promotion of Activism as the righteous form of social participation. As long as the different groups have a common enemy – White Male America – with its evil Capitalism and majority rule – things will be OK – for them.

      But, if they somehow managed to gain the upper socio-political hand in the country, we’d become the Balkins – with them warring on each other. Have you ever lived in Miami or Savannah? and watched how badly the black and Hispanic communities get along? Which is another way to say – the Activism preached today by the Left as the true noble form of civic participation is — “Protect your own – Grab for your own”…

    • Drew Page

      Political correctness at any cost, right? Discrimination is terrible, but reverse discrimination is good; two wrongs do make a right, right? Standards? What good are standards if some many people can’t meet them? Instead of motivating, educating and training people to meet standards, it’s a lot easier to just lower them, right? Who says a passing grade of 60% on an exam is too low? Maybe you wouldn’t mind being operated on by a doctor who passed his med school exams with a grade of 60%, or flying on a plane with a pilot who passed his flight training with a grade of 60%.

  • Century6

    Of course, the shooting death of an unarmed 18 year old is greatest tragedy of Ferguson, regardless of the circumstances. But, the predictable media coverage of Ferguson is dangerous for the situation and our nation. As expected, the media is painting Ferguson as an apartheid South Africa kind of town where the minority White folks “control” the poor lowly disadvantaged majority Black population. One question I have is: what was Ferguson like the day before the Michael Brown shooting? Were Black kids being shot by police every week and no one knew about it? Was Eric Holder and the U.S. Justice Department investigating Ferguson for rampant police brutality? And, why has the media not asked anyone why a town with a 67% Black population have just one Black on the city council (as we’ve been told)? Are Black people registered to vote? Are they voting? Are Blacks in the town running for office?
    I don’t know the answers; but is anyone in the media even curious? In 2014 with a Black president, Black AG, Black in many cities mayors, Black school boards and superintendents, etc., I’m tired of the poor helpless Black narrative.Why does every case like this have to be about the “greater racial issues?” Could it just be a case of something went horribly wrong between that cop and that young man? I believe it was Mark Halpern who said today’s American media has become somewhat of a political party. If that’s the case, the media “party” believes Black can do little to help themselves in 21st century America. Sorry for the long note … but I’m saddened at where our country is right now.

    • scott autry

      I don’t know Ferguson, but I’ve spent a year in Savannah and Miami, where different ethnic groups are in the majority, and diversity and more basic political equality (divided voting population) did NOT lead to a mindset of greater inclusion and brotherhood… Things went in the opposite direction – with what you could call – rough competition for scarce resources – like you see in tribal societies where deprivation is rampant – but Miami and Savannah weren’t deprived…

      Which is why I say the end result of what the Media and The Left are doing is – the Balkins… It will not be Martin Luther King Jr.’s dream…that’s for sure….

  • Century6

    As if on cue, the Michael Brown case has again revived media stories on Black parents and the so-called “talk” we all have with our sons (and daughters) about interaction with the police. I’m a Black father of four who believes parents of ALL races talk their kids about what to do if stopped by police. But, as the father of two sons, I’ve also talked to my boys about avoiding certain areas and situations where they may encounter other young Black men. Does anyone think that a young Black male wearing the “wrong colors” in L.A., Chicago, East St. Louis, Newark, Philadelphia., or Washington is in more dangers from the police or other young Black males? One reason there is such violence in Black communities is too many Blacks believe it is the police who posed the greater threat to our young men. Sad.

    • Bernie

      You’re a wise man, Century6. Your kids are lucky to have you as a dad.

    • ScranunSlim

      Very gutsy post, Century6

    • Drew Page

      I’ve had the same talk with my kids. I’ve told them to be polite and respectful to police, not to argue or take an attitude, no matter what. If they want to take you in, go along peacefully and don’t resist. Ask politely to call home. There will be time to sort things out later.

  • Grandpa D

    Replace “Black” with “Hispanic”. Same story.

  • Seattle Sam

    When a black man shoots another black man, to the media that’s a dog biting a man. But when a white man shoots a black man, that’s a man biting a dog. It gets coverage PRECISELY because it’s so much rarer. PRECISELY because liberals don’t get enough fodder every day to feed their racism narrative.

  • http://karlq.spaces.live.com Karl Quick

    I think it has become abundantly clear that elites of any color or political persuasion care only about their own status, not the nation or our citizens. This is true from the golfer-in-chief on down to governor Nixon and the lowly police chief. Only one lower on the totem than the 300 lb “kid” was the 100 lb, skinny Pakistani or Indian store clerk he violently pushed around. The media will get what they obviously want as soon as our President grants amnesty to millions of currently illegal immigrants. At that point, frustrated, unemployed, healthy young black men will feel, with some serious justification, that they again have been displaced in the pecking order set by those elites that run the plantation. There will be a lot of news, the media will get great ratings, the elites will get even more political power and/or cheaper/hungrier labor, and the disinherited population will be further confined in their hopelessness. We need a revolution in honesty, education and understanding, and it will never come so long as our constitution is ignored by corrupt politicians, parties, and the elite powers-that-be who manipulate them.

  • Gloves Donahue

    Holder is not the Attorney General of the US.
    He’s Obama’s wingman and an activist, as he says.

    The truth is not what they want. It’s not their agenda. They want proof that the country is racist, even if it isn’t.

    Haven’t heard the cop’s side of it yet. Will anyone listen to it?

  • candace6

    A voice of reason.

  • Josh

    Closer to today’s progressive culture than perhaps a lot of folks here, and maybe Hanson (though I don’t know), it goes a little beyond thinking Arab-on-Arab killing is what Arabs are best at. The nastiest stuff that happens in that region of the world is excused wholesale as their “culture,” which signals to me that the progressives truly feel as if those people are too subhuman to be anything but subhuman.

    I’m sure a lot of it has to do with fear, but I don’t believe it’s a chicken-or-egg thing (even though we all know the answer is chicken). They fear Muslims in general because they believe they’re not an enlightened people for whatever reason. Maybe some pin it on the white man. Others pin it on western culture. Hard to say. I just know from my experience surrounded by these people in my social life, they have no expectations at all for these “cultures” other than believing they will stay in chaos because they’re not mentally able to pull themselves out.

    One reason they might not go hard on them, in addition to being bigots, is the humanist angle. “Dignity” in morality plays a large role in progressive ideology, and insulting a people who cannot help but be savages is salting the wound.

    I’m not sure they feel the same about blacks in general, but there are definitely many parallels.

    A note to/about the rioters: Put a 10th as much effort into building up your communities as you do tearing them down, suddenly….progress.